antiaging...I remember the incident from tv about the woman who talked with a light and the light stopped the aliens from bothering her, but what does that mean?.......that God is with the aliens and God is abducting people_ for what purpose?

Could you give me some scriptures that I can look up and read, pertaining to UFO's? Thanks.

That was interesting. However I have to disagree because my own theory explains the
UFO propulsion in a much better way. UFO propulsion is based on the general principle of
conservation of momentum. In order for the UFO to move in one specific direction, an opposite
moment vector has to be created somehow. After reseraching many resources I came to the conclusion that the required trust is generated from micro methane jets located in the orbital axis
of the vessel. The trust can be measured with a device I have invented myself called "fartometer" .
This theory explains all the phenomena observed to date and any phenomena which
can be observed in the future. Moreover, it explains why extraterrestial life has been only
discovered in our own planet and not in extraterrestial planets as one would expect. The reason
is obviously the pollution created by the micro methane jets in those planets which make the
aliens migratte to more breathable areas in the universe. My theory also explains the
physicothronic energy coming out of my ass everytime I eat beans.

Psalms 68:17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands
of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

A chariot is a conveyance or vehicle. In psalm 68:17 it shows that angels
are associated with chariots.

In Acts 9:3-6, and Acts 22:6-10, the apostle Paul tells about a bright light in the sky that was seen by him and others with him, and the Lord Jesus spoke to him from this light. This is an incident where Jesus is associated directly with a UFO.

In Exodus 13:21 it says that the Lord went before the Israelites in a pillar of a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night; there is a modern day UFO that has been seen to fit this description, a white cigar shape by day with a yellow glow at night; it is a mother ship that has been seen to have smaller UFOs associated with it. (A man named David Spore in England filmed one of these cloudlike pillar UFOs and Tim Edwards in the US did also.)
Exodus 14:19 says that the angel of God went behind the Israelites and the pillar of the cloud went and stood behind them. This shows that there was an angel of God associated with this UFO.
This cloudlike pillar UFO is also called the glory of the Lord in Exodus in several places, Exodus 16:7-10, 24:16,17 etc.. In Luke 2:9 it could be interpreted that an angel of the Lord inside of a pillar of fire UFO mother ship came upon the shepherds, and the UFOs light shown round about them. Luke 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host...; a multitude of extraterestrials also were in the area.

The nativity star, which led the magi to Jesus when He was a young child, was probably a starlike UFO piloted by
angels.-(extraterestrials or the Host of heaven)
The Bible uses figrative language in places. Angels in the Bible are called stars figuratively Rev. 1:20, so calling that UFO a star would be Biblically accurate if it was refering to the Angel that was inside of it. Stars and planets appear to be an infinite distance away so they cannot appear to hover over a particular place like the Bible says that this one did, Matt. 2:9. ...the star which they saw in the East, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. Also this star went before them as if it was leading them on, and a real star cannot do this because it appears to be an infinite distance away and you can't follow its lead. A UFO that looks like a star can do these things.

See aloso Ezekiel 1:1 to Ezekiel 1:24
Those scriptures seem to me like a flying saucer shaped ufo (a disc or solid wheel with a smaller disc or hub in the middle) with lights around the rim.
The living creatures were humanoid aliens, maybe wearing space suits, with a helmet and clear visor over their face.
Ezekiel 10:9 to Ezekiel 10:22.

Great thread!

Yeah...reminds me of the 1970's...der are aliens.....oh no there ain't.....oh yes der are...oh no there isn't...oh yes der are......der are aliens.....oh no there ain't.....oh yes der are...oh no there isn't...oh yes der are......der are aliens.....oh no there ain't.....oh yes der are...oh no there isn't...oh yes der are......der are aliens.....oh no there ain't.....oh yes der are...oh no there isn't...oh yes der are...

Well it has been news for a while...but is there more to twaddle about than this pantomine style of discussion....why the hell don't you visit those underground entrances. You know the ones where many many many reports exist about dissapearing people. Perhaps some of you school girls may want to get together (if ever this was a serious topic to mind) and go and visit the damned aliens......I can't believe this endless endless bore about speculation. When will you all become proactive in all this....or do u ndee yeruo bcaks against the wall (checks watch) in the very near future....Humans...why bother with em....They evolve so slowly how the hell did they manage it out of the ice age....

look aliens do not exist.......
yes they do...

Yeh! I wonder who's next?

I'm actually building my very own Flying saucer in my back garden!

I first put this theory on the internet in 1999. I emailed it to Nasa, Boeing, Mac Donald Douglas, European Space agency, - Organizations that could actually take this theory and build a UFO type propulsion system with it. They have had almost 6 years to work on it. Also, the Government has crashed ufos from Roswell, and Kecksburg, and other places to try to apply this theory to get them running again.
I don't know how far they got using this theory to try to make a ufo propulsion system. They don't communicate with me.
What I got out of it is being followed by police cars for no apparent reason.
Lots of phone calls with no one on the line. I think I am under surveilance by the Government.
The original website that I put this theory on has had about 33,500 visitors so far.
Also, I put it on several forums adding maybe another 3000 visitors. The theory is not copyrighted and there are several ufo websites that have the theory on it; I emailed it to some of them and some of them just copied and posted it.
I have a bachelor of science degree in physics. There is no other energy form known to man that can come this close to explaining all of the many effects produced by UFOs, except this new energy in parapsychology called psychotronic energy or bio plasmic energy. (It also has other names.) I truly believe this is the energy of UFO propulsion, and the energy causing the crop circles.
So, the theory is being made public.

Reading over your material again and the scriptures you gave me.... This is fantastic! I don't know what to say.... except the sighting, I recently had, seemed to be in another dimension too. It was unreal......like a science fiction movie.

The object, I saw, is similar to the object on the NASA thread Walken has on this forum. NASA saw an object during the Apollo 15 mission moon landing, and the object was light and dark, and in shadow. This is exactly what my UFO looked like, it looked like an eclipse. It sort of had a half moon shape, sort of. It came over to me at a high rate of speed and looked like a star, traveling, white and some pale yellow to it. Then when it was over-head it turned into this light/dark eclipse sort of thing. That's when a beam shot down from it (a faint milky white beam) and a smaller (smaller than the eclipse object) solid sphere or disk appeared on the end of it. So, it was an eclipse-type object, a small narrow beam or light shot down from the thing with a round disk appearing afterwards on the bottom of the beam.

And, it was completely silent.

It scared me to death. I ran....

You say cars are following you...have you had any MIB's?...What do you think of them? I have had 3 sightings of UFO's and haven't seen any MIB's.

I have reported my sightings to a research organization here in Ohio. There are many sightings in Ohio, it's a hot-bed for UFO's. They seem to think it's a possiblity that my home and land are infested with these 'invisible' UFO's that do become visible on occasion. Many paranormal things happen here, interference with electrical things, cars etc. etc. They think I might be abducted. I don't want to be, I'm scared. I am so extremely fascinated with the paranormal and UFO's, that I would give anything to get to the bottom of this mystery. I just don't want to get hurt as people have been.

Since I had these two recent sightings and haven't been hurt....what do you think? Do you think I should stick around? Next time, I want to get pictures and stay outside and find out what happens. I did get some pictures, but you can't tell much. When I was running, I had my other camera on a strap around my neck and the darned flash went off. And, it was right when this object was above me. Before that, I couldn't get the darned thing to work. I think the object made the flash go off.... I quickly ran into the house.

antiaging...Oh, I am reading everything I can get my hands on and will look into that book you recommend. Have you read John Keel? I am in the process of reading all of his books. Reading the scriptures and reading over your material and John Keel's books, I am seeing glimpses of what I saw in the night sky on March 02/2005. There have been other sightings, here, where I live, in my town, and the surrounding counties. It seems, I'm not the only one who is seeing UFO's.

If you can give me any more information, I would be grateful, and if you don't want to talk on the forum board, please pm me. Thanks....Babs

I have to agree with Dunderhead. This is great stuff, Antiaging. I am very familiar with Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain , a real classic of Psi research, and I shall look for the book by Keyhoe. I completely agree with the basic idea that UFOs travel by psychotronics (also called psionics) and do travel in a different dimension, perhaps one of the extra spatial dimension required by String Theory.

A book I would recommend is The Humanoids , edited by Charles Bowen. It is the best scientific evidence that the UFO aliens are star-traveling humanoids. My webmeister, Tom Loyd and I, plan to make this and other books freely available as downloadable E-books on the site listed below.

Would it be consistent with your thinking, Antiaging, to say the UFOs travel low and slow and silently by levitation, and jump hundreds of light-years in an apport (also called teleportation)? Psi researchers have noticed that objects appearing from an apport fall slowly to the ground in the "falling leaf" pattern, so commonly seen with UFOs that suddenly appear from nowhere.

antiaging...you and I know that something is going on and that most people don't get to experience this phenomenon, but I still don't know what it is.

the scientific thing sucks, come on like we could really b all alone in the universe

I have seen UFO's, but it is hard for me to believe that humanoids or angels drive them ...in fact, I haven't thought about what drives them or operates them (maybe from afar) at all. With each paranormal event in my life I have been skeptical and this is hard to imagine what would be operating these objects. I have to take this a step at a time (I guess baby steps )

There are people that have seen ufos close and they were abducted but they don't remember being abducted because the aliens erased their memory of the abduction. Those people notice that 2 or three hours went by, that they cannot account for; it is called missing time.
You may have already been abducted and don't remember it.
Did you notice any time on the clock that went by that you cannot account for; like a few hours going by and it looked like the time was later than what you thought it should be? If that happened, you may have already been abducted and don't remember it. Hypnosis is used to help people remember any abductions that happened during missing time.

antiaging....yes, I checked the time. No missing time, they asked me that. The organization that came out to the house have a tv program also and put me and a few others in my area on cable tv. My husband and myself gave testimony and re-enacted the scenes for tv at our home. Going over these scenes and talking to the camera was a real emotional experience for me. I don't have any signs or symtoms or missing time, so I feel abduction didn't take place. I am outside, at night, now, almost every night, in the cold, looking for them. I am very disappointed that I am not seeing them again. I almost think that this didn't happen!...but I know it did.

I have no memory of abduction and checked the time...the UFO's were out for 1 hour in front of my house in a big field. When I ran into the house I have no idea how long they stayed. This was on a Wednesday night at 9:15. John Keel, in his books, states that most UFO's come out on Wednesdays, around the 10:00 hour.

Oh, I want to add, they can read your thoughts. As I was taking these pictures, I thought, "these pictures won't show anything that people will be able to see... that these are UFOs". I need one of you to come over here...and right at that monent, it did.

They are telepathically operated, alright.


The tv program people have sent me an email about an abduction support group they hold and I think I will attend.... to get more information. I need more information.


(I got a big telescope for Christmas, I think, I will be out in my field this spring and summer 'sky watching'. There is a camera attachment for this telescope, maybe, I can get some real pictures)

Anybody here spotted a UFO?...or know of someone who has?

ive seen a few UFO's in the exact definition

they were flying objects and i didnt know what they were

but ive flown my whole life and been in the military so i know what most traditional aircraft looks like

I have! It was the size of a farm house, was either cigar or disc shape I couldn't be sure for it was near dark? It had several lights that were flashing on and off sporadically. It was roughly half a mile away and just above the trees as it slowly decended below the tree line into a nearby vale. This inncident lasted aproximetly 20 minutes! I might also add that there was no noticeable noise comming from the Ufo, repeat Ufo and not an Alien craft! My heart was raceing at the time and was a bit gobsmacked

How long ago was this experience dunderhead? And that's interesting, et's, could you tell me a little about these unidentified objects?

Hell Babs! it was a while ago, we're talking late seventies here?
I've actually seen a few Ufo's in my time but at no point were they Alien craft. The Ufo's I've seen have been strange lights that I could not explain?

Yes, that's what I have seen. Back in 73' my husband and I saw our first UFO. In fact, many people here in Cincinnati saw this UFO or UFO's back in 73'. The news stations carry this story here.

Strange lights that do strange things.

I haven't seen a UFO for over 30 years, until now. Two years ago, we saw something in the sky crash and sparks flew out from it. And, now, I have seen UFO's, two incidents, since December of last year.

Could you tell me about your sightings?

I think we're slightly going off topic here Babs? But never the less here's a sighting that ties in with the thread.

I was a teenager at the time and was out with my freinds. It was in the evening and there was an electrical storm going on in the distance the sky was clear where we were but the sheet lightning was flashing and lighting up the whole sky.
I looked up at the stars and noticed this particular one was moving, I first thought it was a satellite because it was so high up in the altittude and the orbital path they make. But then it started zig zagging then it would fly straight, zig zag and fly straight again? It kinda reminded me of a heart beating on a heart moniter in a hospital! Anyway, I pointed up to show my pals, we were amazed, none of us could explain what we were seeing! the object(light) eventually faded into the darkness until it had gone.
Maybe the whole thing was an atmospheric anomilie? but if it was a structured craft then it had a weird propulsion system!

one sighting i had was of a cigar shaped craft in the daytime over St. Louis around 1998

another was real odd even for a sighting dont have a clue what it was
i was at Colby College in Maine in 1989
it was overcast
above the clouds we saw a shadow
now i know a sighting of a shadow on clouds doesnt sound like much
but
it had a definite pointed craft-like shape to it, it was the size of a football field, and it moved at about 10 mph
of course it could have been a darker cloud i suppose but i dont think so

and sadly i will admit ive chased a false ufo
i live in an area of about 15,000 people
my sister saw lights in the sky and called me
i got in the truck and drove to the lights
turned out they were those ground spot lights bouncing off the clouds
what a let down

Yeh, ground lights reflecting off the clouds can be so deceptive? The first time I seen this I instantly thought,"Close encounters of the third kind" What a let down!

Ive seen a UFO but I dont know if it was an alien craft.

In Orlando, Florida I was looking in the sky about 4:30PMish maybe and in the distance I could see a red light going up into the sky, and as it got further in the sky it got so red like it was burning up and I thought it was a plane on fire but then I realized it wouldn't be going strait up in the air. It wasn't going very fast but it kept getting brighter and brighter until I couldn't see it anymore, as if it was going up in the air and further away from me at the same time. Could have been a NASA Spaceship going to the moon or something but I think I would know if they were sending something up.

Fascinating material you guys. I have had the very same type sighting that ecko and dunder have had, plus that was a fascinating account of your UFO, et's.

More UFO's. I have had another sighting...my husband and I. This time the thing stayed out there hovering for 10 minutes and blinked out. Then it was seen again in another field where I live, hovering again. This unidentified aircraft was orange in color, like fire. No sound. There were airplanes out last night too. The airplanes had flashing lights or blinking lights and made noise. We can't figure what this UFO could be, we're stumped. Is it possible a plane or helicopter can be seen as a very bright fiery star-like object and then disappear in the clouds?

Crazy stuff in the skies. Nothing last night.

I got some pictures of this thing....a orange red disc, nothing to write home about....if a person looked at the photo, that is. And I will be taking it to a meeting that will be held here next week on UFO's. As I said before it is hard for anyone to distinguish this thing in my photo but, at least, I got it on film.

I totally AGREE 100% with all of this

thats all nice and dandy, i'll let ya on a little secret. i've done tons and tons of research on varying electric and magnitic fields effect on biological systems.

#1 cancer cells. over exposure to varing magnitic fields will cause cancerious cells. Think twice before u talk on ur cell phone for an long time.
#2 since biolological systems uses electrical charges as a form on control cover certain tasks (these biological components are "superconductors") like breathing, blood pressure, heart beats, etc and placing a human in a electricfield strong enough to disrupt these tasks will kill him. electrical force strong enough to make a craft fly will most definitly melt a human being
#3 the glow thing is nothing more than heat. varing magnitic fields generate current, and since humans are good conductors the current circulates through the body and heats it, which also the cause for human barbecue. what happens when u heat metal-------------- it glows

the brain is nothing more than a bunch of electr0chemical singals (that can not escape becuase of the thickness of the skull ) which are sooooooooooooooooooooo small that they are not strong enough to compare them with any energy source cabable of doing actual physical work. so as far as phychic energy is conserned , it does not exist

mohetab....Oh, come on! We all have read this before and still people are out there affecting electrical equipment, machines etc. etc..

Just because, in your experience, it hasn't happened ......sorry, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.