Stellar, I have no belief because I am not religious person. This is where belief comes from. I never wrote that 'my belief is fact' where did you read these words in my post?

By the way I am making progress on the Tsunami proof especially for you:

Indonesian Tsunami Probably Tripped by Exxon-Mobil Works

Compiled by PESN from Paul Noel and JAH

Jan. 25 2005 http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/01/25/6900062_Exxon_Tripped_Indonesian_Tsunami/#Seismologist%20Says%20Exxon%20Had%20Nothing%20to%20Do%20with%20It


As promised stay tuned:
http://forums.nontraditionalhealing.com/posts.aspx?tid=394

I appologize everyone , this really does have some significance and relation from a previous thread on the same subject , this is for those who participated in that discussion. This envolved the challenge of prooving that the Tsunami was an explosion of a non natural disaster to proove to Stellar my source of information.

Umm...you would have to be in my profession? To agree that a person could find evidence of you on the internet?



And that is where credibility comes in. After a while, you begin to notice that all the sites talking about this unexplained mystery are using the same story, sometimes word-for-word, never posting sources, never supporting their arguments. You begin to notice a pattern. You check into the other sources, and see that they do show their sources, and that they do have supporting evidence, and, most surprisingly, that they do not necessarily make the claims that the mystery mongers accuse them of making.

In my example, it is even simpler. All I asked was for them to find a site concerning these 400 ton gates not made by a mystery monger. I make a similar request to people concerning other beliefs, for instance, looking for a site concerning ancient giants that does not include creationism. Again, people realize that it is extremely difficult to do so. Hopefully, at some point, they begin to realize that it is only this one specific group that has this one specific agenda that requires this particular story to be true. At that point, hopefully a skeptical eyebrow will rise.



I believe there is the possibility of extra-terrestrial organic life. And I believe the world of physics has a great deal to discover. This is not the same, however, as what you are implying.



Exactly. Imagine, now, that instead of evidence, logic, and supporting arguments, we used the method previously in place: that of simply believing a claim when it was made, without questioning the credibility of the source or the validity of the claim. It wouldn't be much more than a witch trial, would it?

Science isn't perfect, it doesn't have all the answers, and it has never claimed to. Science can only offer the most likely, most probable, supported scenario that might have occurred. It cannot guarantee accuracy, only validity.

You act so in every thread...You make claims about god and speak in absolutes.

Yes, it is the same as I am implaying.



Well, imagine that my perceprtion is different then 3/4 of the world belong too. Especially when my God has nothing to do with religion itself but with life and the system that He created.


Agreed. Eveyone looks up to a different authority the problem is that the authority is other people themselves.

I've found some interesting stuff on the hieroglyphics and I forgot to post it, I'll try to find it.

No, I don't think so.



When you say that we are not alone in the universe, you imply a great deal more than extra-terrestrial life. Within this innocent sentence, you also include a metaphysical menagerie, with gods and spirits, angels, and demons. I do not believe anything of the kind. When you ask about greater possibilities to the reality man has always believed in, I say that man has not always believed in the reality we know of today. Ancient man never had the concept of universal space that colonial man had, and colonial man never understood the quantum world as we do. Each advancement changes our view of reality, each adds more to our knowledge. I do belive that even more planes of existence will be discovered in the future that will continue to shape our concept of reality, but astral planes and precognitive dreams, no, I do not believe they will ever be a part of them.



If you are accepting science on authority, you are missing the entire point of it. Science is accepted because it has passed through the process of scientific methodology, which is a system designed to reduced the possibility of error and hoax as much as possible, and to continue to test for credibility and verifiability for the life of the theory. Stephen Hawkin could claim that man descended from a reptile, but despite his authority and credibility, his claims would still be subject to scrutiny and verification. Don't accept a source as credible because it follows the mainstream. Accept it because it has met and passed the demands of scientific methodology.



We've heard these claims before. Perhaps you will find them, this time.

This conversation just gets weirder and weirder every time I come back to read it.

You may be convinced of what you believe but my reality completely different and I cannot pretend otherwise. Lying is not my thing, sorry.



No I do not. Again these are associations that you made and most people make because of all the garbage (excuse my language) they love to read and watch on TV. Don’t get me wrong I like science fiction movies but it doesn’t mean that I have to believe in this reality.




True, in exception to an astral plane that is something either you or I can change. Please understand that I am not looking at dreams the way psychologists study the mind/psych. Dreams cannot be seen on their wonderful technological devices but me and you can see them like a movie the same way you see you memories and experiences.


I know , how can his theory be proven? I can see the opposite though a man can turn into a snake and shoot his venom to poison other peoples feelings, it’s awful.

I like this saying Elfstone:
'"Today there is no day or night. Today there is no wrong or right. Today there is no black or white -- only shades of grey."


Very cool saying, I guess it's kind of a balance thing . (I love pink better then bla gray)

That's fine with me, and no one is accusing you of lying. Just don't claim that what I believe and what you believe are the same thing.



No, these are associations I have made through your past postings. These are things that I have gathered from the things that you have said.



Like I said, just don't say that what you believe and what I believe are the same thing.



Proof isn't an issue at this point. All we are looking for is a credible theory, not an accurate one. A theory can be both valid and credible, yet still be incorrect.

Now, before you attempt, once again, to sidetrack a thread about ancient Egypt into a metaphysical dreamland, please remember that the topic under discussion concerns the construction of the Pyramids.

I don't think you understand me at all Aquatis, I'm sorry.

I don't know what you learned from people about metaphysic but I think you know nothing of this reality for now, rest assure though you will though!

A metaphysical dreamland is something that people make up just like you are doing with your associations.


Please go ahead, this is a free country, let there be light in your path and good luck!
I am also very interested in listening to everyone opinions and if you feel that me agreeing with you opinion is incorrect, that sounds a little confusing to me, whatever

be happy

That doesnt give you the right to go around telling us your belief is right and ours is wrong when it isnt supported or validated by evidence.

If I could just interrupt you for a brief moment, Stellar and the lovely metaphysical Sophika... (while you both take a toilet break and refresh yourselves for new onslaughts against each other)... Did I ever tell you about how they built the Eiffel Tower in Paris... ?? No?

You're going to hate me for this, but... yep... they built it from the top, DOWN! And I should know - I've got old yellow photos to prove it.

Next time I post here I'll tell you how they did it.

I suppose you have old yellow photographs of the pyramids being made too?

as long as it is not the airplane and tanks hieroglyphics, those are FAKE

Stellar..

As a matter of fact, smartypants... there ARE yellow 'photographs' in the Smithsonian Institute Museum which show the building of the pyramids.

How do you think the builders of the pyramids could find their way around in the dark-- deep inside these enormous structures? Candles? Hardly. There was not enough oxygen in those deep chambers for them to waste on burning candles.

Reflective MIRRORS was how they did it. Hundreds of mirrors leading from the outside to deep within the pyramids - all positioned to pass on the sunlight.

And what did they use to 'silver' these mirrors? The belly scales of the Nile perch - fitted closely together and polished to a high reflective sheen.

And what occured with these fish-scale mirrors? A very small percentage of them 'developed' a faded, grey-yellow image of some of the tunnels and chambers AND High Priests who were lying dead in ceremonial garb on the slabs.

I should know, because, well...

Really? Mind showing me those photographs...? They depicted such a clear picture of the building of the pyramids that you see them building it top down?



"Because, well, I know everything even though I cant provide eny evidence for it?"

Is that what you were about to say?

Stellar, man, c'mon, he's winding you up!

I have emailed the curator of the Smithsonian Institute (who was a school-mate of mine) - to post a couple of those 'photos' here.

How it all happened is that what they used to polish the Nile perch scales to bring them to a bright shine - was just coincidentally mud - yes, that's right - mud - from a part of the river bank which had a high content of silver nitrate. One of the peculiar properties of silver nitrate is that it's chemical composition is changed by contact with sunlight... (it is a light-sensitive reactant). But with the small trace-element content in the mud it needed a very long 'exposure' time.

Some of those fish-scale mirrors were positioned on fixed tripods for several months at a time while they were painting out the pyramid chambers with hieroglyphics and such.

It was only because of THAT long period of time which allowed three or four of the several hundred of those mirrors to ever so slowly develop a crude and hazy image of the scenes in front of them... (chambers... tunnels leading off into the distance... one of a sacrificial priest lying on his sarcophagus... a corner block at the corner of a deep passage... ).

But my friend tells me there is one 'photo image' they NEVER show to the public... Weird. Unbelievable. Very, very scary. I haven't seen it myself, but he has described it to me. I don't want to cause panic and alarm here so it's probably best I just slip away quietly and say nothing more. But the image that got burned onto that one particular polished mirror that was positioned somewhere deep inside those pyramid passages all those 5000 years ago should be kept a secret as an act of mercy to the general public.

The image is nothing gory or blood-thirsty... but... it's 'deeply disturbing'... as my friend put. And after he explained it to me.... yes, I can say it is VERY deeply disturbing. It's best that the general public carry on living in ignorance...

Yes, its quite possible something like this happened... but the image, as you said, isnt clear and you most likely cant make out a person, could you? Im just curious to see the pictures.

My beef was with you telling us that you "know" how they built the pyramids a specific was because you were there... which I consider complete bullshit.



And how did he describe it?

SKippy...

Yes, I was there - but not as you thought. A team of us from Oxford University went to North Devon where some of the beaches run back to a couple of miles of deep sand dunes. There, our team of 12 researchers from the Egyptology Department built massive cardboard cubes which resembled the exact dimensions of the actual pyramid building blocks.

Under Professor Rubenstein's supervision we then tested his theory of how the original pyramid builders had the bright idea of removing sand - rather than lifting 20 tonne granite blocks to construct their pyramids.

It worked. We still have the video footage of our experimentations... shortly to be released through the BBC television corporation.



He told me that something not of this planet had died in one of those pyramid tunnels - or had been placed there by either the Egyptians - or this 'Alien's' comrades just before they had presumably left in a spacecraft and headed for home. This creature probably died from natural causes or some accident.

This alien visitor had been propped up dead, against one of the tunnel walls - very close to this particular mirror. It must have sat still like that for many months - even years - before it eventually turned into dust and left nothing for anyone to find 5000 years later.

He said it's appearance is very clear and unmistakable on the 'plate', as he calls it (the mirror). It looks like a human body, but only half the size. It's head, he told me, looks something like a furless bull's head... just that general shape and look about it. The upper body is naked and shows no evidence of this head being some kind of carnival mask or whatever.

He's sending me a copy of this 'photo' soon.

Ahh... sorry, I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were one of them "Im a reincarnated egyptian pharaoh" people... we get them a lot.



Explain this a bit more... if the pyramids are made out of blocks... they'd have to move the blocks into position firstly... then what do they do? If they remove the dand around it, all of it, that block will fall. If they leave it resting on sand, that sand will need to be removed in order to place the next block, no? It would end up being harder in the end that way I'd imagine.



I thought the pictures werent clear? How do you know its not a child with a shaved head? The way you describe makes it seem that that confusion can be made...



Alright, I cant wait to see it.

I remember watching the history channel a while back and them saying that it's possible for the Egyptians to have built the pyramids using massive kites, one on each corner of a slab of rock, that would catch the powerful desert winds and hoist the blocks into the air.

A kite would have to be big to lift over 40,000 lbs. If they had used this method it would seem like that there would be marks of some sort left on the blocks, broken blocks, ect.

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That doesnt give you the right to go around telling us your belief is right and ours is wrong when it isnt supported or validated by evidence.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech and you cannot change that.

YOu believe what you see with your eyes and I believe what I know with my eyes and my Soul, ok?

The amazing thing about this 'photo' image on the polished mirror-plate is that it has survived all these millenia ONLY because very soon after the image was imprinted on the traces of silver nitrate -- the pyramid passage was then sealed up in TOTAL DARKNESS.

Professor Schumaker of the Cambridge Geochemistry Department has stated in his released paper on this matter -- that it was ONLY because the passage was so soon sealed up against sunlight that this image has survived all these years.

My friend at the Smithsonian Institute assures me that there is no mistaking that this particular 'plate' (as he calls it) - shows irrefutable evidence of an alien creature that is totally unknown to our Earthly biologists and anthropologists. If you can imagine a fairly short male figure - with what looks like a skinless bull's head on its shoulders (eyes at front - not at the sides) - then you have pretty much an idea of what this (intelligent) creature once looked like. The image shows two arms with hands attached... and the blurry evidence of five fingers (no claws).

Although I myself have once seen a UFO - I am otherwise a great sceptic of all things unexplained-and-mysterious (although I am totally convinced that we ourselves are ample proof that life exists elsewhere is the universe).

so do we ever get to see evidence of this "plate" ?

seems it would make headlines and change history books

Considering that we're talking on an internet forum, yes that can be changed. Freedom of speech in the public has its exceptions... and freedom of speech on an internet forum is only as "free" as the mods/admin make it. Should I PM Saruman and ask him if you should be taking that attitude that your beliefs are facts and others are wrong?



No, thats not ok. You believe what you see with your eyes and your soul just as much as I do. No more.



That is quite lucky.

However, if it was sealed, where is the body of the supposed alien? Its got bones, I suppose...? Did it get taken away right before the room got sealed?



I'll have to see it for myself... I just cant imagine an old vague photo like that being clear enough to tell whether a body in it is human or alien.

Either way... I've got a question... The body had to be in there for quite some time in order to show up on the "photo", as you yourself have acknowledged... So why do you say it survived just because it was quickly sealed in total darkness...? How developped was the image before it was "suddenly sealed"?



I'm not sure what you mean by skinless bull's head... but what you describe sounds like it could be a human...



Yeah... when are you getting this photo?

Honestly, do you think if anybody had knowledge of this "photograph" that they would talk about it on an internet messageboard?

He's trying to live out a fantasy.

Stellar, you can do what ever you wish with your freedom, I prooved my point. You choose to insult people and is the one with the attitude who was cursing a few posts back.

Frankly I never wrote or said other beliefs are wrong and mine are fact, you keep making stuff up again and again. I can see your whole purpose is to destroy the reputation of others. By screwtanizing people.
There is no mystery that there is a way to obtain the truth to any question, a why and a source that is so alien to you that you may never come to know it.


Goodbye

He might be... but since he says he's getting the photograph, I'm going to wait it out... just like I'm waiting out the guy who said aliens will reveal themselves to us on the 22nd...



And why do you think I have that attitude? Because I dont appreciate beliefs being shoved down my throat.



You're right... you've never said "my beliefs are right, yours are wrong." but you've implied it by talking in absolutes.



You dont have a reputation here yet.

Stellar..

Man, you are DEFINITELY hanging out with the wrong crowd.

You take a bull's severed head - and you strip it of its furry hide. Then you re-position the eyes to be at the front of the face... and then you stick THAT onto a humanoid body... and yet, "but what you describe sounds like it could be a human"

You should DEFINITELY start thinking of moving to a new neighbourhood. I think there must be a nuclear radiation leak in your area for you to think your bull's head mutant pals are all 'normal'....

Stellar..

The mummies in the pyramid tombs were all specially prepared to preserve their mortal remains. Not so with this creature/humanoid. 5000 years is an awful long time. As we all know, long before Western archaeologists started poking around the pyramids - local bandits have been raiding these giant tombs repeatedly for centuries. No doubt they kicked aside the skeletal remains... thinking they were a little pile of human bones put together with a cow's skull.

It's extraordinary to think of the series of coincidences that allowed this extraordinary event to happen...

1. The pyramid tunnels were so extensive and deep that the ancient builders needed reflective mirrors instead of candles.

2. The 'polish' they used for the mirrors was mud which contained traces of light-sensitive silver nitrate.

3. An Alien craft just happened to land in that vicinity at this particular time in history.

4. One of these aliens just happened to die at the time of their landing.. (or was already dead on board the Spacecraft and was being 'dumped' on Earth).

5. His companions just happened to prop his body up in a passage that was by then unused because the inner chambers had been finished - and was waiting to be sealed up in a few months time with all the rest.

6. The body was positioned very close to an exceptionally 'photographic' mirror-plate.

7. The passage was later sealed off from sunlight (which preserved the image on the plate).

Anyway, I'll get back soon with the photo.

Incidentally, keeping these things quiet is not at all strange. If a deadly asteroid was now hurtling towards us for a collision course that will wipe out the human race and all life on Earth - the astonomers and their political advisors would never let the public know about it. Our astronomers can know about these things decades before they happen. They could have known about such an asteroid 30 years ago...

And on a personal level... the UFO my brother and I saw is something we have never talked about. We just don't mentioned it to each other. There is a kind of embarrassment about it. We feel vaguely stupid about being one of those 'wacky' people who claim to have seen a UFO.

Humans have/can have:

1. Bald heads.
2. Eyes on the front of their face, not on the sides.
3. 2 arms.
4. 2 hands.
5. 5 fingers on each hand.



Ahh, now I understand what you mean. You're sure it wasnt jewlery?

http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/0egyptintro/1egypt/index.htm



lol.



So the bones should be found somewhere still if they were just kicked down. I guess its still possible that they were stolen too...



Yes... it does seem like quite a coincidence... and I cant think of any reason an alien body would be placed there, like that. ESPECIALLY when it has a bullhead like head... considering that Hap was an egyptian god...



Yes, but chances are that something would leak out... When was this "photo" found? Why is this the first time I've heard about it?

Stellar..

These bones would have long-since been removed by the Egyptian Department of Antiquities.... either tossed into a gabage bin as 'rubbish' ... or stored away as something 'curious' and in need of further research and investigation.

Stellar..

That space aliens should place the body of one of their crew inside one of those magnificent pyramids is not at all surprising to me. Don't forget those pyramids were far more beautiful than they are today. Placing the body of one of their comrades in such a beautiful tomb would have seemed to them to be a very respectful thing to do. In fact I believe that spacecraft searched across the face of our planet for somewhere 'respectful' to lay the body of their compatriot.

Stellar..

The curator of the Smithsonian Institute told me that it looks like a 'bull's head'... but that it is a small 'bull's head'.

Stellar..

The reason you haven't heard about it is that you are only a member of the general public. If you move in academic circles as I do, you begin to hear about things that are only spoken of in whispers in darkened corridors and in quiet corners of the campus library.

Have you heard about 'THE JAVA TRENCH VEHICLE''.. ? No, I'm sure you haven't. I've seen colour photos of it. It's a large spherical spacecraft that sits at the bottom of a 5-mile deep sea-trench off the coast of Java.

Heard of the Tyrolean cro-magnon? Sure you haven't. It's one of the ancient ancestors of modern humans - and was found 'quick-frozen' in the Swiss Alps in 1993. It was successfully revived by a team at Edinburgh University and is now living quietly on a wooded Scottish estate in the Northern Highlands. I know it to be true because I've actually been there to visit it (with a team of my fellow-academics).

But I'm telling you too much.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think your full of crap. Sounds like you have been watching too much tv. Maybe you can fool some of the youngster here, but no proof=bs. Real secrets don't stay concealed easily.

ericraven..

My sentiments exactly.... until I was 47 - when I saw a triangular UFO with portholes - passing overhead about a mile up over my brother's house.

I hope you maintain your healthy scepticism... in your place I would.

I read the first two paragraphs and conclube bullshit, if he did this in 1920 then why would it still be a mystery and how come this technology is still a secret after 85 years?

Actually, yeah... I havent thought of that but it does seem like something they'd do if it were true.



And just lie it down on the floor like that?



Either way, couldnt it have been a decoration?



You mean rumours?



You'd think that if many archeologists heard about it or saw a picture of it, it would at least be a popular much like Vimanas. I searched the internet for "Java trench vehicle" and couldnt even find a site about it!



It sounds to me like this knowledge is passed on to many archeologists. If it were, you'd think it'd be on the internet at least, or something like that. About the Cro-Magnon, how did it survive the freezing and unfreezing? Scientists today are having problems freezing and unfreezing a human... but this cro-magnon managed to be unfrozen? This Cro-Magnon was preserved enough to actually be revived, also?! And if this info is not passed on to archeologists... how would you know of all these things? Why are you claiming I already know too much? What is going to happen if you continue telling me of these things?

When are you supposed to get this picture from the smithsonian?

On another note...

This Tyrolean Cro-Magnon wasnt named Albere, was he?

Or are you talking about Iceman?

Really...? So... you didnt visit this Tyrolean Cro-Magnon nor did you see the Java Trench Vehicle until AFTER the age of 47?

you met this cro-magnon eh ?

ok come to my house and meet a neanderthal we thawed out

i meant really how does someone prove the guy in the woods is a million year old cave man ?

Stellar..

They didn't lie it down on the floor. They had it sitting with its back against the wall, and its head dropped forward onto its chest.

Stellar..

That's the first question I asked my friend at the Institute. I suggested it might be some kind of ceremonial headdress that drops over the head. He said 'no way'. One of the eyes had been bleeding, and the lips were drawn back enough to see the teeth.

Stellar..

No. I mean 'information leaks'... in an atmosphere of 'listen, don't tell anybody but guess what I saw in a freezer in Dr Schmidt's anthropology lab... ?'

Stellar..

... 'Vimanas'... ? Never heard of it. Now you know what I mean.

Stellar..

'Albere'... ? Never heard of him. No. The guys up at the estate actually call him nothing more glamorous than 'Harry'.

The photo's coming in this evening.

Stellar..

The Java Trench Vehicle I dismissed as a hoax - until I myself saw something unworldly fly over my brother's house. It was after my own experience that I began asking some serious questions of my academic colleagues. In fact, I became something of a pest to all of them. They began to hate the sight of me. I never stopped badgering them about what they secretly knew about strange phenomenon. Eventually, I was asked to come to a secret meeting at an exclusive 'gentleman's club' in Soho, London.

I was astonished to see at least 15 of my colleagues waiting there to greet me.

They told me the only way to shut me up so that my questions would not come to the attention of the Press - was to induct me into their circle - and make me a party to their secret knowledge.

All the rest followed after that. The visit to Scotland... and being told about the 'photo' at the Smithsonian Institute. They revealed far more awesome secrets than I have revealed here.

riiiiight I'm sure they didn't want you to ask crackpot questions to the press. That might tip the press off that something is going on

if this story about the mutant bull-headed alein is true, is it possible it wasnt dead when left there ?

maybe it was left there like a wal-mart greeter, but seriously like some sort of guard. they sealed it up but promised to come back for it. unfortunatly for whatever reason they never came back and the thing starved to death.

that seems more plausable then the idea that they just sat it there when it was already dead IMHO

gremlin, do you realise how all this must sound to us?

Honestly... when do you expect you'll get the picture, cuz until then...

tell u what, stellar if i hear more of this BS without a shred of evidence, i think i will .... (give him a hiding ), anyways stellar, i didnt know sum1 as young as urself spend so much time on UM to get that much 'experience'. sure u got time 4 ur studies?

Lol... I had to compose some music for a presentation I'm doing at school next week... while some music was loading/playing I was on UM.

ET's foster parent..

It had to be dead to sit there for all the time it took to develop an image on the solar-mirror. If it had sat there for only a few days I doubt that any image would have had time to form.

Well, do you want the good news or the bad news FIRST... ?

The good news? OK...

I HAVE NOW GOT THE PHOTO!! (Actually, it is a DVD recording of the original 'photo-plate' from the passage in the pyramid from 5000 years ago).

The bad news?

I don't dare look at it... so how can I show it to you lot.. ?

When the package arrived by Special Delivery last night - I thought 'GREAT! - HERE WE GO!!'

But a hitch soon revealed itself.... My friend at the Smithsonian Institute had written me a short note - but in very large capital letters...

"DEAR ********, BEFORE YOU VIEW THE CONTENTS OF THIS DVD DISK - PLEASE BE AWARE THAT OF THE TWELVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VIEWED THE IMAGE OF THIS UNEARTHLY CREATURE ON THAT ANCIENT EGYPTIAN SUN-SHIELD SINCE IT WAS DISCOVERED STORED AWAY AND FORGOTTEN IN ONE OF THE MORE FAR CORNERS OF THE VAULT THAT LIES BENEATH THE MASSIVE EDIFICE OF OUR SMITHSONIAN INTITUTION - ALL BUT THREE HAVE DIED IN SUDDEN AND TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCES. I FEEL IT ONLY FAIR TO WARN YOU OF THIS UNFORTUNATE STATISTIC. VIEW AT YOUR OWN PERIL!

There's something else too. The DVD disc came in its own sealed, square envelope - inside the bigger package which contained both the letter and the envelope.

When I took the DVD's envelope out - I noticed a slight discolouration at one of the corners of this envelope, which also felt a bit sticky - and left a reddish print on my thumb. I then soon ascertained that it seems to be a small leakage of blood.

I sat for hours gazing at this opened package and its contents... and have felt deeply troubled and disturbed by it.

After a sleepless night I have decided to take all of it to the sanctified grounds of my local cemetery - where I will pour a small quantity of petrol over it before setting it alight. It is unholy. It has the aura of foulness and damnation about it. It reeks of something demonic and unwholesome.

As a rational human being - what else can I do but consign it to the Fires of Hell from whence it has come?!

come on send them to some one who is not afraid to die like me

burn it ?

what a convienient way out for you

Oh, please. You dont dare look at it? Send it to me then. I'll look at it for you, hows that?



3 have died. Not all 12.

And I use "have" lightly.



Tell the truth, maybe?