LordBailey
Feb 3 2005, 05:30 PM
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Feb 3 2005, 12:58 PM)
Whoever helped them must not have known a whole lot more than they did.
Seriously, history is full of discoveries that could have been incredible if only followed up on. Science cannot be done in isolation. Something as pivotal as the wheel was of little use to the mountain dwelling Inca, and thus never made it past the stage of the child's toy. The steam powered Hero's engine was little more than a novelty item in ancient Greece. Today's technology is much more efficient and superior, but the big reason we can put together so much isn't because we are advanced, but because we can communicate with the world, and fill in the gaps and ideas we were unable to before. Science can only create; it's imagination that fuels the drive. The batteries are an excellent example. 2000 years ago, when they were first made, there was no discernable use for them. Today, simple thanks to communication, we can apply them to lighting, to electroplating, to a bewildering variety of jobs that the ancients would never have conceived of.
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Maybe they were very subtle about it somehow? Maybe they were careful as to keep if from advancing them too quickly. Or, maybe it was only to be used to assist in certain things ONLY? Or something. Just tossing around ideas here
Adramaleck
Feb 3 2005, 08:09 PM
Aquatos said:
The hieroglyph isn't of a lightbulb, it is of the sun, and if memory serves, it indicates change. Remember the lack of supporting technology: a lightbulb would indicate extremely fine glass-making skills and metallurgy from a people who could only cast figurines and work in copper
It is very possible that they had fine glassmaking skills. Glass, contrary to its look, is deceptivly liquid. It runs downward (due to gravity) very slowly. I live in an old house, and I can see this in some of the windows - they are thinner at top than bottom. If this can happen in a hundred years, glass could completely misform over thousands.
Granted we have found no evidence of such things as lightbulbs, but this is merely something to keep in mind when debunking glass theories.
aquatus1
Feb 3 2005, 10:43 PM
I'm afraid the liquid properties of glass are much exagerrated. The unequally thick glass in old houses that you speak of is from a by-gone era when glass had to be spun into form, not molded as it is now. The windows did not flow downward and get thicker at the bottom. They became uneven during the process of their creation.
Why then, do you ask, do we have ancient houses with thicker glass at the bottom? Quite simple. Glass installers, grouting in the panes, naturally placed the thicker end on the bottom for stability. Less experienced grouters didn't, and effectively, you have some houses with panes thicker at the bottom, and some with panes thicker at the top. Unless the glass also randomly chose to flow upwards, the liquid effect of glass is just a myth.
Regardless, the Egyptians made fairly solid glass figurines of cats and such. Glass was so valuable that it was chiefly used as presents for the Pharaoh and his family. It would be similar to experimenting with 24 carat diamonds.
LordBailey
Feb 4 2005, 04:12 PM
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Feb 3 2005, 06:43 PM)
Regardless, the Egyptians made fairly solid glass figurines of cats and such. Glass was so valuable that it was chiefly used as presents for the Pharaoh and his family. It would be similar to experimenting with 24 carat diamonds.
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Quite right Aquatus. Glass was created by the Carthagenians, and to many of the time, they were considered "hostile". So trade with them was a rare thing, unless secured by the Pharaoh himself. Later the making of it was taught elsewhere in Egypt and Rome (after conquering the Carthagenians). It was also "new". And just like today, new things tend to be more valuable than the older technology. Glass was amazing to them.
Adramaleck
Feb 4 2005, 07:21 PM
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Feb 3 2005, 06:43 PM)
Regardless, the Egyptians made fairly solid glass figurines of cats and such. Glass was so valuable that it was chiefly used as presents for the Pharaoh and his family. It would be similar to experimenting with 24 carat diamonds.
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Such things in our culture are not unheard of. My friend's father works in science creating nuclear warheads. They have diamonds inside them, as well as crystal faces.
My point is, if there was a way to harness sonic energy through the use of glass, of course they would experiment with it. If there was any other scientific breakthrough for that matter, they would experiment with it. Glass is very sensitive to sonic energy - we can see this when very high or low pitches are made and glass shatters. Perhaps there is a secret within glass.
Stellar
Feb 4 2005, 09:21 PM
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Glass is very sensitive to sonic energy - we can see this when very high or low pitches are made and glass shatters. Perhaps there is a secret within glass.
This is due to resonance and it isnt just glass thats affected by it.
aquatus1
Feb 4 2005, 09:31 PM
QUOTE(Adramaleck @ Feb 4 2005, 07:21 PM)
Such things in our culture are not unheard of. My friend's father works in science creating nuclear warheads. They have diamonds inside them, as well as crystal faces.
My point is, if there was a way to harness sonic energy through the use of glass, of course they would experiment with it. If there was any other scientific breakthrough for that matter, they would experiment with it. Glass is very sensitive to sonic energy - we can see this when very high or low pitches are made and glass shatters. Perhaps there is a secret within glass.
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There is a difference between industrial grade diamonds and 14-carat diamonds.
I thought we were talking about how the Dendera Picture isn't a lightbulb. Anyhow, as far as sonics go, they would do better to stick with stone. They had good results with that. Resonance is pretty easy to figure out once you got the basics.
antiaging
Feb 6 2005, 01:51 AM
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Feb 3 2005, 08:10 AM)
Indeed it does. Each section of the Maglevs consists of hundreds of SuperConducting Magnets. Each of these SCM's is capabale of generating over 700 kA of magnetomotive force. The power demands are so high that each section requires its own substation.
If the Egyptians levitated the blocks, they didn't do it with electricity.
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The egyptians did not use maglevs, they didn't need anywhere near that kind of power; they also didn't have superconducting magnets or need power to propel a train at over 100 mph.
And, also, maglevs have nothing to do with using the Earth's magnetic field for lifting and have nothing to do with magnetic monopoles.
Comparing what Leedskalnin or the Egyptians did, to maglev trains is a false comparison.
antiaging
Feb 6 2005, 02:08 AM
The stories about the building of the great pyramid that come from Egypt are fictitious. They stated that it was built in 20 years, however, calculating the number of stones each weighing many tons, they would have had to lift and set one to a small fraction of an inch every 2 minutes, to complete it in that time. So the story is false. Could not have been done. So some of the egyptian history of how it was built was a lie. Date palms is all they had for trees, in any great number, which wouldn't have been used for rollers because it is a food tree. Even if they had the trees, they would have been smashed to pulp after only rolling one of the 200 ton stones a short distance. No evidence has been found of the supposed ramp either.
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You keep overlooking one thing. People from the town spying on him with binoculars, signed sworn affidavits that they saw heavy stones floating in the air. He moved the whole castle to another spot because he was beat up once. The man driving the flat bed truck was asked to stand around the corner. After a few minutes he heard a large noise at his truck. He ran around the corner and a large stone weighing tons was on his truck. No lifting equipment was seen. This was repeated again and again until he moved the whole castle.
This was featured on "In Search of" with Leonard Nimoy.
Guess what! There is no way he used pulleys, or leverage, or wedges to do that, in a few minutes, with stones weighing many tons.
You need to re-read the original story. All of these exagerations grew from the myth of Coral Castle. No one signed any affidavits that they saw floating stones; they were run off anytime they tried to spy. The flat bed was there overnight, not for a few minutes, and the driver went home rather than stick around. Don't trust the stories you see flying around. Go to the source.
They are not exagerations, it is a real mystery, and that is why it is spoken of as a real mystery.
I got the story of the signed affidavits from both the TV show and the source, coral castle.com. The source said they floated like helium balloons.
His largest lifting device, which he purchased, was his metal tripod with the pulleys and chains and it was rated at 10 tons. So how did he move a 28 ton stone with it.
The largest stone is close to 30 tons. That tripod would have only lifted it, and not transported it, if it only weighed 10 tons; it would have collapsed before 15 tons was put on it.
aquatus1
Feb 6 2005, 03:55 AM
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The stories about the building of the great pyramid that come from Egypt are fictitious. They stated that it was built in 20 years, however, calculating the number of stones each weighing many tons, they would have had to lift and set one to a small fraction of an inch every 2 minutes, to complete it in that time. So the story is false. Could not have been done. So some of the egyptian history of how it was built was a lie. Date palms is all they had for trees, in any great number, which wouldn't have been used for rollers because it is a food tree. Even if they had the trees, they would have been smashed to pulp after only rolling one of the 200 ton stones a short distance. No evidence has been found of the supposed ramp either.
Who stated? Who claimed? Who said this or that? I don't know of any Egyptologist who claims the pyramid was built in as little as 20 years. Likewise, the amount of stone needed to build the pyramid is still, and has always been, an object of contention. And date palms are only one of the types of vegetation in Egypt; do you think they made their elegant boats out a fern? Their load sleds out of a grass?
The straw man argument is a very common tactic among mystery-mongers. They say that the experts claim so and so was don in this way, and then show how it could not have been done that way, therefore, presumably, proving that the experts are at least unreliable, if not outright liars. What is usually glossed over, however, is that what people like Von Daineken or Berlitz like to do is quote out of context or extremely distorted versions of the formal explanations, and pass them off as the common belief. I strongly recommend, prior to believing what you saw on a T.V. show, to familiarize yourself with the actual claims, from the lips of the actual people who made them, not from the people with a vested interest in discrediting them.
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They are not exagerations, it is a real mystery, and that is why it is spoken of as a real mystery.
I got the story of the signed affidavits from both the TV show and the source, coral castle.com. The source said they floated like helium balloons.
His largest lifting device, which he purchased, was his metal tripod with the pulleys and chains and it was rated at 10 tons. So how did he move a 28 ton stone with it.
The largest stone is close to 30 tons. That tripod would have only lifted it, and not transported it, if it only weighed 10 tons; it would have collapsed before 15 tons was put on it.
They are exagerations. I would challenge you to find a single reference from the original source, as opposed to the many re-tellings that you find on the internet.
And, as I said before, the amateur approach of moving heavy objects by lifting need not apply here. This is something that is done by leverage, not by brute force. A ten ton block can be easily moved by a single person, if they know what they are doing.
I am a little tired right now, but if you are willing to learn a bit about construction, I can tell you how it is done. If, on the other hand, you are utterly convinced of the infallibility of these eyewitnesses you seem to have devoted your belief on, I won't waste anymore of your time. I am willing to teach, but I am not interested in converting anyone.
scolly
Feb 8 2005, 01:26 AM
hi all this is my first post. Thank you for that antiaging, great post
. i too plan to do research on some of edward L's theorys. I think it is absoloutly fantastic what you are doing, and i am very greatful that you posted this for us all
There is no doubt that edward L had somthing that he wanted to keep under wraps with regards to shifting heavy blocks etc, wether it be down a cleverly designed pulley system, or as i agree - harnessing electro-magnatism.
It annoys me that people come on here - a place for discussion of the unexplained - and then tell you that your stupid and its easilly explained
not accepting things for the way they are is a sign of intelligence, yet people try to tell you;
no 'its the way ive been told it is'
- 'so how dya know' -
'because thats what ive been told' alright matey
whatever
any1 who researched coral castle and edward L. will know that he was a VERY private man, an insane genius who didnt want anybody finding out his secrets. I wouldnt put it past the man to leave a load of pulleys/ropes etc around the place, purley to try and throw any unwanted veiwers off the track.
why was he so secretive? in my opinion, because he was ;
A: genuine 100% insane genuis
B: because he was on to something so good (i.e. energy source wise) that if it got in the wrong hands, he could have become the destroyer of worlds
any way antiaging , just wanted to let you know that if one person that listens and pays attention makes its worth it, then im that 1
Mayan
Feb 8 2005, 12:37 PM
QUOTE(scolly @ Feb 8 2005, 01:26 AM)
hi all this is my first post. Thank you for that antiaging, great post
. i too plan to do research on some of edward L's theorys. I think it is absoloutly fantastic what you are doing, and i am very greatful that you posted this for us all
There is no doubt that edward L had somthing that he wanted to keep under wraps with regards to shifting heavy blocks etc, wether it be down a cleverly designed pulley system, or as i agree - harnessing electro-magnatism.
It annoys me that people come on here - a place for discussion of the unexplained - and then tell you that your stupid and its easilly explained
not accepting things for the way they are is a sign of intelligence, yet people try to tell you;
no 'its the way ive been told it is'
- 'so how dya know' -
'because thats what ive been told' alright matey
whatever
any1 who researched coral castle and edward L. will know that he was a VERY private man, an insane genius who didnt want anybody finding out his secrets. I wouldnt put it past the man to leave a load of pulleys/ropes etc around the place, purley to try and throw any unwanted veiwers off the track.
why was he so secretive? in my opinion, because he was ;
A: genuine 100% insane genuis
B: because he was on to something so good (i.e. energy source wise) that if it got in the wrong hands, he could have become the destroyer of worlds
any way antiaging , just wanted to let you know that if one person that listens and pays attention makes its worth it, then im that 1
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I have no idea
how the pyramids were built. No idea
I thought I did so it could be anyones geuss
""Sorry I can't help you there scolly""
I'm replying to this message because i got a notification message from here that you were replying to me scolly!
And Welcome aboard
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Area69
Feb 10 2005, 12:05 AM
Sorry for not knowing screen names, but the two skeptic in here are really great and they counter the sensationalist claims with reason and fact-based argument, which I appreciate (being an extreme skeptic).
That said, look at the post here on Coral Castle's website. Things get interesting by around page 4 or 5. One of you more intelligent skeptics please comment on the post linked, if you read it:
http://www.coralcastle.com/forums/topic.as...D=2&TOPIC_ID=14EDIT: I do not mean to call any of you who believe in this stuff idiotic or less intelligent than anyone else by any means, and I apologize if my subpar writing skills lead you to that assumption.
et's daddy
Feb 10 2005, 12:19 AM
no worries area
im a newbie and mostly a believer more then a skeptic, i try not to dismiss things out of hand just because i dont understand them.
if someone tells me they saw a ghost who am i to say otherwise ?
as for the pyramids ill say this
many people claim they know how it was done and yet no one (that i know of) has done it since
if it's so easy to explain why not do it ? show us how easy it is for man and build a pyramid or 2 go to Death Valley and recreate the Giza platue(sp)
then maybe the debate will be done
anyone here up to that challenge ?
aquatus1
Feb 11 2005, 03:25 AM
Hey, if you're willing to finance, I'm willing to go!
Adramaleck
Feb 11 2005, 03:45 AM
There have been many explainations as to how they were built, etc..
It hasnt been attempted again because, well, it would cost way too much money, and people with money mostly seek ways to make more money. How would they make money off of it? Tourist attractions? Perhaps, but who would see a recreation when someone would want to see the real things that are filled with wonder?
I mean, the egyptians had so many slaves at their disposal - that was free labor. To use that many people now would probably cost millions. a day. millions a day my friend!
Not to mention materials, transportation, etc..
IMO that's why it hasnt been attempted again.
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Oh yeah, also I think people would be like "why did he spend a billion dollars on this pyramid when he could have donated it to the tsunami disaster" or something, which i tottaly agree with, they need our money way more than someone who wants to recreate the pyramids.
riotboy555
Feb 12 2005, 04:12 AM
QUOTE(Jesus_Freak @ Jan 31 2005, 11:06 PM)
i only read the 1st paragraph because of my A.D.D. but it sounds interesting....
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me too.
not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but couldn't the Egyptians used the wheel as a means of moving all the stones? it makes sense and stuff. the wheel was already invented around that time. the only problem with this theory is where they got the stones from.
theGringo
Feb 12 2005, 05:31 AM
[quote=antiaging,Feb 1 2005, 07:34 AM]
The Real Way the Pyramids Were Built!?
I just noticed that Leedskalnin holds a sign which ( apparently )
looks like his name ("ED. L.")
I've been researching Ed for over a year now, and only now have i realised where I last saw the letters EDL. Electrical Double Layering.
Significant? Maybe.
aquatus1
Feb 12 2005, 05:38 AM
QUOTE(riotboy555 @ Feb 12 2005, 04:12 AM)
not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but couldn't the Egyptians used the wheel as a means of moving all the stones? it makes sense and stuff. the wheel was already invented around that time. the only problem with this theory is where they got the stones from.
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Wheels would have sunk into the sand and broken up the clay roads. They used load sleds, coupled with two workers with a flask of water keeping the clay wet and slick ahead of the runners.
La`bros
Feb 13 2005, 07:08 AM
QUOTE(Hotoke @ Feb 1 2005, 10:39 PM)
can people here please take a history class about egyptians instead of reading some crappy paranoid cult website?
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Your reading it, what does that make you ?
SilverNitrate
Feb 13 2005, 09:47 AM
here another theory i found on the internet u can ponder on Our Ancient Egyptian & Sumerian forefathers knew something we're only just rediscovering! - the Field of Mfkzt.
Due to the natural occurence of ashphalts and bitumens boiling out of the ground in the Middle East, the ancient Egyptians became experts at smelting. They also utilised or invented 'electric cells' or 'batteries' that were used thousands of years ago in the art of electroplating! Furthermore, the ancients mastered the application of 'white powdered gold' or mfkzt to impart anti-gravity properties and if ingested, to rejuvenate DNA!
I know, it all sounds good like something you'd read in a book and be blown out by but soon forget! But, today at dawn, sitting here in North London bored out of my insomniac brain, it occured to me that I had the technology to put the properties of 'white powdered gold' to the test - and with remarkable success!
Background: as you may well know, part of the pyramid 'discovery' more than a century ago included a huge and puzzling find of a mysterious white powder later identified as high-spin monatomic gold. Technology lacked horribly back in those days and only recently has the substance been identified as mfkzt or' High-spin monatomic white powder of gold', which can be manufactured by 'arcing' pure gold with a controlled lightening bolt of 5500 degrees Celcius for 15 seconds - reducing the gold to a white powder. In certain unique circumstances can be found in a naturally occuring state in soil.
Mfkzt is the most efficient superconductor known to science meaning it conducts electricity at 100% efficiency and also insulates completely when required to do so. The ancient Egyptians manufactured and ingested the stuff to increase awareness, aid meditation and facilitate astral projection. Literature on the subject of white powder of gold describes exotic rejuvenating properties such as the projection of subtle light which enables damaged DNA to deconstruct and reconstruct correctly to the original code i.e. perfectly! Ingestion of mfkzt is the fountain of youth, the Philosophers Stone and the 'Holy Grail' of Alchemist's pursuit to turn (mundane) lead into (etheric) gold!
But there's more... and it's in my kitchen!
I bought 1 oz. (28g) of white powdered gold from an internet store and like I said, I realised I had the technology to test the exotic 'levitation' properties of this substance. I took out my digital scales that I use for weighing weed, I weighed up exactky 12g of white powdered gold and poured it into a small ceramic tray which then was placed in a preheated oven at 200 degrees fahrenheit for 20 mins. I took the tray out of the oven and tipped the powder onto a small square of paper placed on my digital scales and reset them to zero. The powder weighed 11.2 g which wasn't too different to the original 12g but suddenly after about ten seconds, the weight started dropping. Incredulously, as the substance returned to room temperature, it slowly lost mass as evidenced by my scales clicking down increment by increment from 11.2 down beyond zero to a theoretically impossible (minus) - 6.9 grams. Yes, no sh**! My digital scales accurately showed the weight of 12g of mfkzt drop by a full 18.9g from 12g too -6.9g! - something which should just NOT be possible!
Honestly, I screamed and then cried - I was witnessing with my own eyes the mass of the powder transferring itself to another dimension then return! when cooled to room temperature! Nothing, I repeat, nothing should do that! If you say, take an already fired 10 kilo statue and reheat it in a kiln to 700 dgrees it still weighs exactly 10 klos! However, the white powder of gold can impart (minus) -75% of its weight to any object or vessel it sits in. Think about it... the mass of the powder does not evaporate or oxidize like steam or smoke to weight less - it transports itself to another dimension and when cooled promptly returns to it's full mass!
This method of passing weightlessness onto objects could, in theory, quite easily have been used in pyramid building!
(this is a post i found)
SilverNitrate
Feb 13 2005, 09:49 AM
QUOTE(SilverNitrate @ Feb 13 2005, 10:47 AM)
here another theory i found on the internet u can ponder on Our Ancient Egyptian & Sumerian forefathers knew something we're only just rediscovering! - the Field of Mfkzt.
Due to the natural occurence of ashphalts and bitumens boiling out of the ground in the Middle East, the ancient Egyptians became experts at smelting. They also utilised or invented 'electric cells' or 'batteries' that were used thousands of years ago in the art of electroplating! Furthermore, the ancients mastered the application of 'white powdered gold' or mfkzt to impart anti-gravity properties and if ingested, to rejuvenate DNA!
I know, it all sounds good like something you'd read in a book and be blown out by but soon forget! But, today at dawn, sitting here in North London bored out of my insomniac brain, it occured to me that I had the technology to put the properties of 'white powdered gold' to the test - and with remarkable success!
Background: as you may well know, part of the pyramid 'discovery' more than a century ago included a huge and puzzling find of a mysterious white powder later identified as high-spin monatomic gold. Technology lacked horribly back in those days and only recently has the substance been identified as mfkzt or' High-spin monatomic white powder of gold', which can be manufactured by 'arcing' pure gold with a controlled lightening bolt of 5500 degrees Celcius for 15 seconds - reducing the gold to a white powder. In certain unique circumstances can be found in a naturally occuring state in soil.
Mfkzt is the most efficient superconductor known to science meaning it conducts electricity at 100% efficiency and also insulates completely when required to do so. The ancient Egyptians manufactured and ingested the stuff to increase awareness, aid meditation and facilitate astral projection. Literature on the subject of white powder of gold describes exotic rejuvenating properties such as the projection of subtle light which enables damaged DNA to deconstruct and reconstruct correctly to the original code i.e. perfectly! Ingestion of mfkzt is the fountain of youth, the Philosophers Stone and the 'Holy Grail' of Alchemist's pursuit to turn (mundane) lead into (etheric) gold!
But there's more... and it's in my kitchen!
I bought 1 oz. (28g) of white powdered gold from an internet store and like I said, I realised I had the technology to test the exotic 'levitation' properties of this substance. I took out my digital scales that I use for weighing weed, I weighed up exactky 12g of white powdered gold and poured it into a small ceramic tray which then was placed in a preheated oven at 200 degrees fahrenheit for 20 mins. I took the tray out of the oven and tipped the powder onto a small square of paper placed on my digital scales and reset them to zero. The powder weighed 11.2 g which wasn't too different to the original 12g but suddenly after about ten seconds, the weight started dropping. Incredulously, as the substance returned to room temperature, it slowly lost mass as evidenced by my scales clicking down increment by increment from 11.2 down beyond zero to a theoretically impossible (minus) - 6.9 grams. Yes, no sh**! My digital scales accurately showed the weight of 12g of mfkzt drop by a full 18.9g from 12g too -6.9g! - something which should just NOT be possible!
Honestly, I screamed and then cried - I was witnessing with my own eyes the mass of the powder transferring itself to another dimension then return! when cooled to room temperature! Nothing, I repeat, nothing should do that! If you say, take an already fired 10 kilo statue and reheat it in a kiln to 700 dgrees it still weighs exactly 10 klos! However, the white powder of gold can impart (minus) -75% of its weight to any object or vessel it sits in. Think about it... the mass of the powder does not evaporate or oxidize like steam or smoke to weight less - it transports itself to another dimension and when cooled promptly returns to it's full mass!
This method of passing weightlessness onto objects could, in theory, quite easily have been used in pyramid building!
(this is a post i found)
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here some more of the post The ancient Egiptians Pharoah's injested Mfkzt to facilitate 'super-conciousness'. They also exploited its anti-gravity properties to aid building the pyramids. 12g of Shem-an-na powder dropped in weight to (minus) -6.9g at less than 200 F. twice yesterday before my eyes in my kitchen - who knows what degree of levitation or weightlessness would occur if the powder was heated much hotter and placed atop of say, an 8 tonne stone destined for placement high in one of the pyramids? Maybe that stone's collosal mass could be temporarily reduced to a more manageable weight? It's certainly true in theory - I've proved it to myself twice yesterday!
The books I've read on white powder of gold don't tell quite the exact story of the transmutation process. Appreciably I couldn't monitor the weight of the powder as it gradually heated up in my oven, so all I'm sure of is that when it reached a stable heat somewhere below 200 F. and was weighed directly after removal from the oven, it came in at 11.2g. I was disappointed thinking that no weightlessness had occured as expected. However, the 11.2g was less than the original 12g due to spilllage and some sticking to the side of the ceramic vessel. My point is that after no apparent initial change in weight, it then after 5 or 6 seconds suddenly started to cool back towards room temp. and gradually lost its weight! - more than its own weight! It dropped to -6.9g from +11.2g! Impossible! Halfway through the cooling period of about 30 seconds the powder reached the minimum weight of -6.9g and as it continued to cool in a linear transition from hot to room temp. it reversed the direction of weight shift and started to weigh more again - eventually weighing precisely the original 11.2g! What I'm saying is that the mass was temporarily transferred to another dimension not when heated but when the substance is making a transition between temperatures!
Stellar
Feb 13 2005, 03:03 PM
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Mfkzt is the most efficient superconductor known to science meaning it conducts electricity at 100% efficiency and also insulates completely when required to do so. The ancient Egyptians manufactured and ingested the stuff to increase awareness, aid meditation and facilitate astral projection. Literature on the subject of white powder of gold describes exotic rejuvenating properties such as the projection of subtle light which enables damaged DNA to deconstruct and reconstruct correctly to the original code i.e. perfectly! Ingestion of mfkzt is the fountain of youth, the Philosophers Stone and the 'Holy Grail' of Alchemist's pursuit to turn (mundane) lead into (etheric) gold!
Yes... how exactly do you "know" what it does and that they used it?
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I bought 1 oz. (28g) of white powdered gold from an internet store and like I said, I realised I had the technology to test the exotic 'levitation' properties of this substance. I took out my digital scales that I use for weighing weed, I weighed up exactky 12g of white powdered gold and poured it into a small ceramic tray which then was placed in a preheated oven at 200 degrees fahrenheit for 20 mins. I took the tray out of the oven and tipped the powder onto a small square of paper placed on my digital scales and reset them to zero. The powder weighed 11.2 g which wasn't too different to the original 12g but suddenly after about ten seconds, the weight started dropping. Incredulously, as the substance returned to room temperature, it slowly lost mass as evidenced by my scales clicking down increment by increment from 11.2 down beyond zero to a theoretically impossible (minus) - 6.9 grams. Yes, no sh**! My digital scales accurately showed the weight of 12g of mfkzt drop by a full 18.9g from 12g too -6.9g! - something which should just NOT be possible!
Havent been paying attention in chemistry class, have you. The same "phenomenon" can be produced with anything. Hell, the funnest way to do it is with liquid Nitrogen even. And no, -6.9g is not impossible in your case.
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Honestly, I screamed and then cried - I was witnessing with my own eyes the mass of the powder transferring itself to another dimension then return! when cooled to room temperature! Nothing, I repeat, nothing should do that! If you say, take an already fired 10 kilo statue and reheat it in a kiln to 700 dgrees it still weighs exactly 10 klos! However, the white powder of gold can impart (minus) -75% of its weight to any object or vessel it sits in. Think about it... the mass of the powder does not evaporate or oxidize like steam or smoke to weight less - it transports itself to another dimension and when cooled promptly returns to it's full mass!
Right... no, it couldnt have undergon any other chemical reactions or physical changes... it had to transport itsself into another dimension?
Obviously whoever wrote it doesnt have much of a backing in science. He/she doesnt even know what a dimension is. Nor does the person know what white gold is.
"Hey look! When I shook my can of pop and then opened it, some white/brownish foam bursted through the top! Impossible! It was not there before! It must have came from another dimenision!"
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here some more of the post The ancient Egiptians Pharoah's injested Mfkzt to facilitate 'super-conciousness'. They also exploited its anti-gravity properties to aid building the pyramids. 12g of Shem-an-na powder dropped in weight to (minus) -6.9g at less than 200 F. twice yesterday before my eyes in my kitchen - who knows what degree of levitation or weightlessness would occur if the powder was heated much hotter and placed atop of say, an 8 tonne stone destined for placement high in one of the pyramids? Maybe that stone's collosal mass could be temporarily reduced to a more manageable weight? It's certainly true in theory - I've proved it to myself twice yesterday!
Not only has the person not proven that, but not explained how the egyptians would have heated it up.
Walken
Feb 13 2005, 03:06 PM
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"Hey look! When I shook my can of pop and then opened it, some white/brownish foam bursted through the top! Impossible! It was not there before! It must have came from another dimenision!"
Try to refrain from mocking over people's beleifs, Steller, no matter how kooky.
Stellar
Feb 13 2005, 03:29 PM
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Try to refrain from mocking over people's beleifs, Steller, no matter how kooky.
Im making a comparison, and its valid. Using the same logic whoever wrote that post used (SilverNitrate didnt write it btw, he said he copied it from somwhere, unless I misunderstood) you can use to say that the foam comes from a different dimension.
Walken
Feb 13 2005, 03:39 PM
That's not the gist of the post at all. All I'm saying is that you don't have to be so negative about this. I'm done with this discussion now anyway, because I'm seen others banned through it and I don't want to be next.
Stellar
Feb 13 2005, 03:58 PM
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That's not the gist of the post at all. All I'm saying is that you don't have to be so negative about this. I'm done with this discussion now anyway, because I'm seen others banned through it and I don't want to be next.
Im trying to point out how flawed the logic is and essentially, how horrible it is.
SilverNitrate
Feb 13 2005, 04:01 PM
just to let u know i didnt wright that i found it i jusy copyed and pasted it
Walken
Feb 13 2005, 04:07 PM
I know.
SilverNitrate
Feb 13 2005, 04:15 PM
heres some more stuf i found. Returning to ancient Egypt, we find further references to mfkzt at various sacred locations. One of these relates to the treasures of Pharaoh Tuthmosis III, as reproduced in a bas-relief at the Temple of Karnak. In the metals section, there are a number of cone-shaped objects. They are explained as being made of gold, but carry the rather odd description, "white bread"........................................................
Job 28:5-6
As for the earth, out of it cometh bread; and under it is turned up as it were fire.
The stones of it are the place of sapphires, and it hath the dust of gold.......................................................................
Exodus 32:19 When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. 20 And he took the calf they had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it. ps. also it said that they were good at smelting mabe thats how they melted the gold
Sophika
Feb 13 2005, 04:22 PM
Hello LordBiley and Walken,
Please do not get frustrated, you have the right to express you opinions and I think that everyone needs to respect each other on these public boards.
People who use their knowledge to ATTACK other because they are convinced that what ever book they are preaching history book, egyptology book, the bible , the neverending story, etc. AND destory other people feelings are murdurers. No one has the right to use truth or knowledge to attach another because we are all on different levels of development.
Please be kind to each other and I recommend this specifically to Stellar because you are a very intelligent individual but I see that sometime you use your knowledge to destory and people get very frustrated with this type of communication.
In school when you were a child and you didn't understand something, did your parents beat you up or your teachers? or is it my imagination
kind regards to all,
Sophika
Sophika
Feb 13 2005, 04:29 PM
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If you think someones logic is "horrible" and choose to mock people chances are you are wrong.
SilverNitrate
Feb 13 2005, 04:43 PM
for me i think they built the pyramids with the help of an intelegent being or beings. cause i cant see hoy people can me stones weighing tons(not sure how much they weighed) with sleds. how they would get there stones up to higher levels to get build the upper parts of the pyramids. i doubt they used pulley cause i doubt the pulleys would be strong enough and the ropes would have been brakeing all the time. and the salves they had to be in good conditon and the way they portrayed them i dont think they were in good condition. they would not of been strong enough . and the sleds that some one said they fould by the pyramids could have been used to put stuff in side the pyramids. just dont seem possible but hey what do i know. just my thoughts
Stellar
Feb 13 2005, 05:14 PM
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Please be kind to each other and I recommend this specifically to Stellar because you are a very intelligent individual but I see that sometime you use your knowledge to destory and people get very frustrated with this type of communication.
I dont use it to destroy, I use it to point out the flaws when there are flaws.
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If you think someones logic is "horrible" and choose to mock people chances are you are wrong.
Im not trying to mock people, I'm using their logic for something else. If they found it stupid, good! Because then they see exactly what the logic is like.
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how they would get there stones up to higher levels to get build the upper parts of the pyramids.
Well, different kinds of ramps are thought to have been used, for example.
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And the salves they had to be in good conditon and the way they portrayed them i dont think they were in good condition.
Its not thought that slaves did the work.
Sophika
Feb 13 2005, 05:19 PM
Hello SilverNitrate,
My understanding is the same as yours, there was a danger to man on earth back then so they were built just incase souls needed to be transported to another dimention. In a similar way a catastrophy, unfortunatly did occured on Mars when it encounted a black hole and some catastrophic collison, the pyramids there were used to transport 2000 soul to earth.
This communication I obtained from my High Teachers and through communication with the Universal Consiouness.
You may be interested in reading this:
http://forums.nontraditionalhealing.com/posts.aspx?tid=385Blessings,
Sophia
Stellar
Feb 13 2005, 05:23 PM
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My understanding is the same as yours, there was a danger to man on earth back then so they were built just incase souls needed to be transported to another dimention.
Do you knwo what a dimension is?
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In a similar way a catastrophy, unfortunatly did occured on Mars when it encounted a black hole and some catastrophic collison,
Ahh, so Mars encountered a black hole huh? I wont expect you to give me a viable sound reason for how this is possible then.
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the pyramids there were used to transport 2000 soul to earth.
Wow, this stone must be quite high tech!
Walken
Feb 13 2005, 05:32 PM
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Im trying to point out how flawed the logic is and essentially, how horrible it is.
I've yet to see you offer any alternative suggestions. In fact, I'm yet to see you offer anything over than sarcasam and negative comments.
Stellar
Feb 13 2005, 05:52 PM
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I've yet to see you offer any alternative suggestions. In fact, I'm yet to see you offer anything over than sarcasam and negative comments.
Why must I constantly repeat that the sled fashion has supporting evidence and these far out explenations dont?
SilverNitrate
Feb 13 2005, 07:08 PM
i dont think they had slaves to do work. but i think mabe along the years like later the egyptians might of had slaves.
Sophika
Feb 13 2005, 08:06 PM
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Do you knwo what a dimension is?
Hi Steller,
There are several definitions for a dimention but the way I can illustrate it to you is this : when you sleep you can see yourself and hear the same as you would with you physical eyes and ears. You enter the astral world and in this level you in essence exist in another dimention because your physical body is resting and your thin bodies are awake and moving about. This is in essence another dimention.
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Ahh, so Mars encountered a black hole huh? I wont expect you to give me a viable sound reason for how this is possible then.
Why are you so convinced that I cannot give you a viable sound reason? I have written it in my previous post -the Souce of my information.
TO be honest I am very surprised Stellar, considering the fact that you frankly bash the exsistance GOd and the truth of the bible , you more then anyone on I've met is so convinced of the existance of the Hebrew slaves in Egypt while there not one single shread of evidance of their being -only in the bible itself.
Sophia
Hotoke
Feb 13 2005, 08:08 PM
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the Hebrew slaves in Egypt while there not one single shread of evidance of their being -only in the bible itself.
the tablets in the egyptian museum which gave the wages of these slaves
there evidence not from the bible
lets not forget the tombes they are buried in
Stellar
Feb 13 2005, 08:41 PM
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There are several definitions for a dimention but the way I can illustrate it to you is this : when you sleep you can see yourself and hear the same as you would with you physical eyes and ears. You enter the astral world and in this level you in essence exist in another dimention because your physical body is resting and your thin bodies are awake and moving about. This is in essence another dimention.
Nope. THats a misconception of what a dimension is. A true, scientific dimension is width, height, length and time. There are more theorised but I dont really know about them. You're confusing dimension with a sort of "parallel universe" which has become a common, but wrong, definition.
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Why are you so convinced that I cannot give you a viable sound reason? I have written it in my previous post -the Souce of my information.
I am not looking for the source of your information, im asking you how its possible that there was a black hole in our solar system which mars encountered and Mars is still intact, orbiting the Sun.
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TO be honest I am very surprised Stellar, considering the fact that you frankly bash the exsistance GOd and the truth of the bible , you more then anyone on I've met is so convinced of the existance of the Hebrew slaves in Egypt while there not one single shread of evidance of their being -only in the bible itself.
What have I said that gave you the impression that I'm convinced of the existance of the hebrew slaves in Egypt?
Walken
Feb 13 2005, 08:44 PM
Out of intrest (and no offence mean't) Stellar, what UM's do you beleive in, and if none, why do you come on to a UM forum? This post means no offence, just curiosity.
Stellar
Feb 13 2005, 08:51 PM
Well, I do believe UFOs exist (by definition), and I do believe in the possibility of ET existance... Thats about it. The rest, I believe there are logical and normal explanations that could account for them. Even if I dont believe in something, I do find some people's stories entertaining, and hell, its a discussion forum right? Gotta have 2 sides to discuss something effectively.
Elfstone810
Feb 13 2005, 09:03 PM
To back up Hotoke, archaeologists have discovered entire cities around the pyramids where the laborers and their overseers lived. There were homes, cemeteries, artisan shops, and the entire support structure that grew up to serve them. (I remember reading in particular about a bread factory that was strikingly similar to modern bread factories -- it seems some things don't change over the centuries!)
I've heard engineering data quoted claiming that ramps would have been highly impractical. Given the maximum angle you'd want to haul stones up and the final height of the pyramids the ramps would have to be miles long and would require more stone than the pyramids themselves. As an alternative, some have suggested that the Egyptians used a hydraulic lift, which was built into the pyramids and powered by diverting water from the Nile. This might explain the existence of some shafts and passages that have always puzzled us.
Honestly, I don't understand engineering well enough to evaluate the idea. Anyone here heard this theory before and, if so, any thoughts on it?
I'll find some links in a few minutes and edit them in.
Edit: Here's a
link to a page that has the whole hydraulic theory laid out. It makes me a little antsy, because it's presented as an absolute rather than a possibility, but it is interesting. I wish I could follow it better, but there are too many unexplained technical terms for me.
Steeler Mania
Feb 13 2005, 09:06 PM
look at it this way, the ancients did not have the technology to build the pyramids. Secondly, it took an advanced culture to help them. Seems the culture that helped them were the ones who had a hand in building the pyramids of Mars..NASA denies this, but those "mountains" look awful familiar!
That brings a comment from me, and listen up, we have been visited by aliens...90% of them were friendly, and they helped our "breed" prosper.
you need to really think that those aliens were our gods. Seems that most pyramids on this planet are close to being the same. Maya's, Egyptians and wherever else! One thing remains a constanant, at that time, no one had the technology to produce a stone that fit that close together. There are too many things on our own planet that suggest alien intervention.....
Hotoke
Feb 13 2005, 09:23 PM
so from what i have heard they found tools and hyroglyphs on how they build pyramids. and slave wages of people who worked on the pyramids.
besides there are more ancient structures that seem unbelievable to be made by humans like the many ancient buddhist tempels or The Fortress of Sacsayhuaman
or the Cyclopean Walls or the colloseum and people do not think they are build by pyramids. these people did not have much tools when they build those things.
Stellar
Feb 13 2005, 09:51 PM
See? This is what I despise... people comming in here talking in absolutes and avoiding the evidence. If you want to avoid the evidence, at least stop talking in absolutes.
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look at it this way, the ancients did not have the technology to build the pyramids.
Look at it this way,
you're wrong. Gee how I would like it if you were right, but theres really no evidence for that.
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Secondly, it took an advanced culture to help them.
Evidence?
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Seems the culture that helped them were the ones who had a hand in building the pyramids of Mars..NASA denies this, but those "mountains" look awful familiar!
Yes, 3,4,5,6 unequal sided mounts sure do resemble the pyramids!
Evidence?
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That brings a comment from me, and listen up, we have been visited by aliens...90% of them were friendly, and they helped our "breed" prosper.
Evidence?
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you need to really think that those aliens were our gods. Seems that most pyramids on this planet are close to being the same.
Not even close... not taking into consideration the dimensions and style.
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Maya's, Egyptians and wherever else!
Mayan and Egyptian pyramids are quite different.
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One thing remains a constanant, at that time, no one had the technology to produce a stone that fit that close together.
Why not? Because you say so?
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There are too many things on our own planet that suggest alien intervention.....
Evidence?
Elfstone810
Feb 13 2005, 09:54 PM
SM, Where do you get the idea that the ancients didn't have the technology to build pyramids? You do realize that they didn't just suddenly up and start building pyramids one day out of the blue? First there were long, low tombs called "mastabas". Then they progressed to step pyramids, which were basically a series of mastabas, each smaller than the last, stacked like a wedding cake, and then, finally, they moved on to the regular pyramids.
Also, the existence of pyramids in South America is a non-argument. That's like saying, "the Ancient Greeks had square houses and some of the American Indians had square houses, therefore aliens must have obviously shown our ancestors how to build square houses."
There are only so many shapes one can build. It's to be expected that they would be repeated from civilization to civilization.
Adramaleck
Feb 14 2005, 04:14 AM
This might clear things up:
The egyptians and greek's numeral system differed, in that the egyptians used one less zero in displaying.
Thus 20 greek = 200 egyptian.
Now I'm not sure if this was translated wrong, but it is a possibility - and 200 years to build the pyramids, with their primitive technology seems much more accurate.
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