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antiaging
The Real Way the Pyramids Were Built!?

There was a man in the 1920s named Edward Leedskalnin, and he built a small castle made of 3 million pounds of coral rock. Some of the coral stones that he built it with weigh 30 tons. The tools that he had were only simple pulleys and winches and chains. Scientists do not know how he did it. The equipment he had was not strong enough to lift the great stones. He said that he knew the secret of how the Egyptian pyramids were built. He did his own experiments on magnetism and developed his own theories. People spying on him with binoculars swore that they saw the great stones float in the air; they signed sworn affidavits. It seems like he knew some secret of using magnetic force to make the stones weigh less. You can read about him and what he did at http://www.coralcastle.com
I believe that I know how Mr. Leedskalnin, {the creator of Coral Castle}, and the ancient pyramid builders levitated the great stones. I made a careful study of Edward Leedskalnin's books about his experiments with electricity and magnetism and found a clue to how he used electricity to levitate the heavy coral stones. I tried to reproduce this in my backyard and I made a 15 Lb. cement brick to weigh 13 Lbs.. I did this twice; I only tried it twice. Essentially, Leedskalnin found a way to make the stones into a South magnetic monopole, using electricity, and the Earth's magnetic field would then push up on them making them lighter. It only works at night when there is no interference from sunlight. I would like to point out to you that many small ceramic jars containing metal were found near the pyramids and these jars would become electric batteries if a corrosive liquid, such as vinegar or other acids, were put into them. Eric Von Daniken believes that these had to be used as electric batteries. They coud be connected together in series to produce either very large voltage or very large amperage, depending on how you connect them. I believe the pyramid builders were using electricity to levitate the stones just like Leedskalnin did.
Edward Leedskalnin had a totally different way of looking at electricity which he derived by doing his own careful experiments with magnets and electricity. I have a Bachelor of Science degree in physics, and I am inclined to believe that his way of looking at electricity is more accurate than accepted scientific theories. I will summarize it for you: He published three books on his magnetic theory:- Magnetic Current, Magnetic Base and Cosmic Force. Scientists and others have read these books since the 1920s and no one understood them. If you want to buy these books and read about him and what he did, visit this website: http://www.coralcastle.com You can buy these books for about $11.20.
I'll summarize what he found out by experimenting with magnets. Just like physics considers an electron or proton to be the smallest unit of electric charge, there is a smallest unit of magnetism which he calls north and south pole individual magnets. They are free to flow in metals, in the air and in other things. The iron shavings around a bar magnet trace their path. From the North end of a magnet, there are many north pole magnets flowing out and going around the outside of the magnet and coming into the south pole of the magnet and then running in the metal and returning to the North pole. From the South pole of the magnet, there are many south pole magnets flowing out and going around the outside of the magnet and going into the North pole and flowing through the metal and returing to the South pole. Some flow straight out from the poles and don't return, but are replaced by others from the air.
Experimenting with small magnets hung over a wire carring a current he concludes this: Electricity is really north pole magnets flowing out from the + terminal of a battery and flowing through the wire with a right hand twist and there is an opposite flow of south pole magnets coming out of the - terminal of a battery and flowing in the wire with a right hand twist. Modern electronics developed with the theoretical notion of a positive current flowing through a wire, but this is only a way of thinking about electricity to describe and quantify its effects. There is no real positive current flowing through the wire, because protons will not flow through a wire like electricity. Free electrons in the wire only have a slow drift speed, so negative charge cannot flow through a wire like electricity either. This idea of opposing north and south pole magnetic units flowing through a wire might be what is really happening in an electric current. He experimentally shows that this can explain the magnetic effects that electricity produces by its actions on nearby magnets. Too many of these magnetic units being made to flow through a place that has high resistance produces heat, so it can also explain the heat effects of electricity.
I just rubbed a plastic comb on a spread to get an electrostatic charge and I picked up two pieces of small paper, one hanging from the other. I put a magnet near the bottom piece and it was attracted to the magnet like it was really a magnetic force and not an electrostatic force like physics tries to say. Maybe electrical forces could better be explained by small units of north and south pole magnets and not electric charge.
Leedskalnin took two soft iron welding rods and connected one to the positive terminal of a battery and the other to the negative terminal of the battery. He touched them together and held them together till they got hot. He sepearated them from each other while still connected to the battery and investigated them with magnets. The iron connected to the negative terminal was a completely south monopole magnet, and the iron connected to the positive terminal was a completely north monopole magnet. This experiment helped him to develope his theory on electric current.


In his writings he does make some statements about other things like gravity and moon orbit and tries to explain this by magnetic force. These statements go beyond his experiments and seem to be just false opinions. He only had a 4th grade education, but he studied what science said about electrons and current, and he thought science was wrong about it because his own experiments showed something else.
Mineral, Vegetable and Animal Life, Copyright October 1945 By Edward Leedskalnin Quote:
"The North pole magnets come out of the battery's positive terminal and South pole magnets come out of car battery's negative terminal. To be sure it is so, you get two pieces of soft steel welding rod four inches long, put them in clips and connect them with the car battery. Put those two loose rod ends together until the rod gets hot. Now test each of those rod ends you were putting together with a small needle-like horizontally hanging magnet. Then you will see the one which is connected with positive terminal is North pole magnet, and the one which is connected with negative terminal is South pole magnet (Like poles repulses, and unlike poles attract). You can change the rod peices, but every time the one is connected with positive terminal will be North pole magnet, and the one connected with negative terminal will be South pole magnet". Therefore, to change a large stone into a South Pole magnet, it would need to be connected to the negative terminal.
Leedskalnin believed that electostatic force was really a magnetic force. He would describe an electrostatically charged piece of rubber this way: IN rubber the north and south pole magnetic units are not flowing like they are in a bar iron magnet, (he said the magnetic units flowing in an iron magnet are excess magnetic units that were added to the metal when it was magnetized) but in rubber they are stationary and they are the north and south pole magnetic forces that hold the rubber molecules together. This causes many small north and south magnetic
poles on the same side of the rubber, and this is what causes the electrostatic charge. He proves this to be a magnetic force by attracting iron filings to an electrostatically charged rubber, and bringing a metal bar magnet near. When the bar magnet's poles are reversed by turning it to the other end, some of the iron filings jump off of the rubber. He believed the first approach of the bar magnet with its stronger field, reversed the magnetic fields of some of the
iron filings and when the magnet was turned around, the magnetic fields repelled each other. He believed it was magnetic and not electrostatic. He also detected South pole magnetic units flowing upward and North
pole magnetic units flowing downward in the northern hemisphere, by hanging a long magnet in the middle and the south pole end would always hang up. To make it level, the south pole end needed to be longer.
In his writings he does make some statements about other things like gravity and moon orbit and tries to explain this by magnetic force. These statements go beyond his experiments and seem to be just false opinions.
Find a scientist or engineer that is willing to experiment on this and try to levitate huge stones. I believe that I have given you enough clues in this writing to show you how it was done.
I once read a quote from an ancient text about the building of the pyramids, it went something like this.
True it was that the priests of On levitated the great stones and they flew through the air the distance of a bowshot.
I read this quote in the writings of Desmond Leslie, a researcher of ancient texts.

Electricity is described in science by its effects, heat, magnetic and chemical effects. There are theories in science to try to explain what electricity is made of, but these theories are lacking. Electric circuity and the mathematics of it, uses an innovation assuming a positive charge is moving through the wire. But this is only to make the arithmatic come out right. Protons don't flow in wire. The electrons only drift with a slow drift speed which is much slower than electricity, so that can't explain it either.
Ever since Ben Franklin discovered electricity, modern science has never described what it is made of. All of our circuitry theory is based on the idea that electricity is electrical impulses flowing in a wire, and yet protons do not flow through wire and electrons drift so slowly in a wire (at the speed of heat conduction) that electricity cannot be made of either positive or negative charge flowing in a wire. Leedskalnin's experiments with magnets show what electricity is really made of, North and South magnetic units flowing in a wire. All of modern science developed circuitry, and motors and computers based on the effects that electricity produced and yet science never did adequately describe what electricity is really made of. Because Leedskalnin found out what electricity is really made of, he could see that he could do something else with it. He levitated very heavy stones weighing many tons with it.
[J J Thompson invented the electron to try to explain what was coming off of a cathode in a cathode ray tube. Existing theory on magnetism would not allow him to think it was anything magnetic. According to Leedskalnin's experiment, what is coming off of the cathode is south pole magnets and the electron should never have been invented. If Leedskalnin is right, all of electro/magnetic theory can be reduced to just magnetic theory.]

This should be done at night, with no moonlight. To avoid photo
Electric effect of knocking the south pole magnets off with light.
I connected a cement block (15Lbs) to the negative pole of battery
charger and put it on a scale. The positive pole was connected to a
metal pole stuck in cement. I soaked the cement ground with water, and
the cement block with water. Turned on the battery charger. car
battery charger When I picked up the cement block from the scale,
turned off battery charger, and then put it back on the scale, it
weighed 13 lbs. It lost two pounds. I did this twice. Just as the rods
connected to leadskalnins battery became north and south monopoles
when he broke the connection between them, I believe that when I
picked the block up off the scale, it became a magnetic south
monopole. I had soaked the ground with water so the scale was
effectively the connecting point between the plus and minus poles of
the battery; picking it up broke the connection. Being a South
magnetic monopole, the Earth's magnetic field pushed up on it and it
lost 2 lbs. I never tried this again after the second time.

This upward push of the Earth's magnetic field, on the south magnetic pole end of a compass needle is called the magnetic declination of the Earth's field. In the northern hemisphere the south pole end of a compass needle will tilt upward.
The pyramids contain stones weighing 200 tons set to within a very small fraction of an inch. Modern engineers will tell you that they could not build the pyramids today even if they used modern machinery.

Jesus_Freak
i only read the 1st paragraph because of my A.D.D. but it sounds interesting....
Mayan
antiaging they very interesting pionts you make. You maybe close to somethin?






Mayan.
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Mayan
QUOTE(Mayan @ Feb 1 2005, 06:33 AM)
antiaging they very interesting pionts you make. You maybe close to somethin?






Mayan.
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Kerkido
lol That is the biggest load of bullcrap that I have ever heard. Egyptians worked hard, and the old-fashioned way to build those pyramids. Do you seriously think their methods of construction were that advanced? No, they were very ritualistic people, with a LOT of slaves at their disposal.
Richdog
Hmm that is VERY interesting read, although you really need to split paragraphs up rather than just moving onto the next line to make it more palatable. antiaging you need to do a real experiment (even if it's just a days worth) and keep a log/video/photographic evidence of this theory and application.

I don't think it's the biggest load of crap i've ever read at all, the theories make sense... and i'd be interested to see what the more scientific members here have to say about it.

The egyptians were also far more advanced than many people think, in terms of mathematics, geometry etc so it wouldn't surprise me if they were able to create and use primitive electricity for something like this.

For all anyone knows they may have discovered the method of "floating" the bricks quite by accident...

Interesting.
zandore
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The egyptians were also far more advanced than many people think, in terms of mathematics, geometry etc so it wouldn't surprise me if they were able to create and use primitive electricity for something like this.

That is assuming the Egyptians are the ones that built them.
aquatus1
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Scientists do not know how he did it. The equipment he had was not strong enough to lift the great stones. He said that he knew the secret of how the Egyptian pyramids were built.


Don't believe the marketing hype too much. This is no more a mystery to scientists (or, more accurately, engineers) than the construction of the Great Pyramid. His equipment was more than adequate to handle the weight of the stones he used, as long as he didn't attempt the amateurish brute strength approach. His discovery of the secrets of the Egyptians, in his own words, was the discovery of the principles of leverage, which was only a discovery to him, as engineers, carpenters, and house-movers, have been using them for centuries.

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I would like to point out to you that many small ceramic jars containing metal were found near the pyramids and these jars would become electric batteries if a corrosive liquid, such as vinegar or other acids, were put into them. Eric Von Daniken believes that these had to be used as electric batteries.


No small ceramic jars containing metal were found near the pyramids. The Baghdad batteries were found outside of Baghdad in Iraq back in 1938, and it should be noted that no evidence of wires, or records of any use, have ever been found. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that these were nothing more than a novelty item; much as the wheel in the Inca civilization never progressed beyond the stage of a child's toy, or the Hero engine never evolved into the steam engine in ancient Greece. There were only a dozen batteries found, and even if they were all attached in line, the amperage would have been negligeable. Even the voltage is put to shame by a modern-day 9-volt battery.

What were found around the pyramids, however, were several dozen load sleds, which figure prominently in Egyptian artwork as the primary method of transporting large, heavy loads, such as statues and blocks.

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The pyramids contain stones weighing 200 tons set to within a very small fraction of an inch. Modern engineers will tell you that they could not build the pyramids today even if they used modern machinery.


Let's not be silly. Engineers today set bridges, refrigeration units, entire oil platform sections, and various other monolithic objects weighing easily over 200 tons, to fractions of a millimeter, so that the boltholes line up together. The Great Pyramid, while a marvel of its time, is nowhere near as accurate as people like to think it is, and nothing as good as we could build today.

Whether or not Edward Leedskalnin was correct in his theories (and many of them can be tested and shown to be wrong, which is something most supporters of the untestable theories don't like to point out), it doesn't change a few significant facts. One, the lifts, pulleys, and tripods still located in Coral Castle are strong enough to move the vast majority of the blocks (although, again, brute force need not apply. This is a job requiring technique.). Two, there are plenty of shims and wedges on site, used to progressively lift heavy items to a required height. Three, the man was obsessive compulsive, to the point that he literally worked himself to death, eventually dying from malnutrition. He didn't have the body of a man who floated blocks through the air. He had the body of a man who had pushed it beyond its limits, and it simply gave out.
Gabriel
it dose make u wonder. somebody else is doing a magnetic earth forum on here.
i think it could be possable to recive the earths natural magnitizum to make electricty , and help with other tasks.
Richdog
Hmm may be more doubtfel than first presumed then... though the theories are stuill very interesting/

To the original poster, do a test and get some results + proof! original.gif
Metatron
anitaging- keep up the good work!!!
Hotoke
comparing coral castle in florida with the pyramids which actually have some proof and theories of how it was build?
LordBailey
Makes perfect sense to me. Something for you non-believers out there. Look up a little thing called the "Baghdad Battery". Also, check out a little bit on and "Philidelphia Experiment". Do a little research on it. Check it out.

As for the electro-magnetic stuff. ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY man! I've actually thought about that stuff for a long time now. I'm not the scientific type, I'm more of a thinker. But it has crossed my mind a time or two. You DO need to get us a video of this experiment in action. Show us what you found. And maybe we can make you famous! grin2.gif

Cool Stuff!
Richdog
QUOTE(LordBailey @ Feb 1 2005, 10:03 PM)
Makes perfect sense to me. Something for you non-believers out there. Look up a little thing called the "Baghdad Battery".


This has already been mentioned, lol, earlier in the thread.
LordBailey
QUOTE(Richdog @ Feb 1 2005, 05:05 PM)
QUOTE(LordBailey @ Feb 1 2005, 10:03 PM)
Makes perfect sense to me. Something for you non-believers out there. Look up a little thing called the "Baghdad Battery".


This has already been mentioned, lol, earlier in the thread.
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Sorry, I was too tired of reading after the main post to care what everyone else had to say. lol

It WAS a long thread.

Still, check it out!
Stellar
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Makes perfect sense to me. Something for you non-believers out there. Look up a little thing called the "Baghdad Battery". Also, check out a little bit on and "Philidelphia Experiment". Do a little research on it. Check it out.


We know about the Baghdad Battery, and how a single modern battery can kick the sh** out of a seriese of Baghdad Batteiries. We know about the Philidelphia Experiment and we know that there really isnt proof of anything unusual happening. So... whats your point...?

sanchera1978
antiaging i beleive your on to something keep up the expermintation. I agree that science doesnt truly understand magnetism, gravity and electricity. Just because we kinda of know how it works doesnt mean we have it 100% correct. I believe electro-magnestisum plays a very important role in all this. Have you read up on TESLA? He was one of the greatest inventors of out time
Hotoke
can people here please take a history class about egyptians instead of reading some crappy paranoid cult website?
LordBailey
You people just love to tear other down don't you? It's a shame really. Keep an open mind. ANYTHING is possible. And just because there is no evidence, doens't mean it didn't happen, or never exsisted. Try not to be so harsh to people in the future guys. This is a place to descuss things intelligently, not to bash one another for thinking something is interesting.

All I meant by "check it out" is that it will make you think. Keep an open mind, and think about it for a while. That's all I ask. I'm not trying to sway anyone in any specific direction. Just commenting that I thought his information was correct. MY OPINION!

Thanks

P.S.
Everything in history books and scrolls, could be fabricated you know. History is written by the winners after all. Don't believe everything you read in history books, because tomorrow it could change!
LordBailey
Also, exaggeration is human nature after all.
sanchera1978
good post lord bailey. Alot of these people who bash everyone remind me of those ignorant people who thought the world was flat, the earth was the center of the solar system and so on. just becuase we dont understand something doesnt mean its not true
Hotoke
did any of you knew that tools have been found which they used to build the pyramids?

did any of you know that the egyptians wrote scriptures how they build it?

and the wages they gave to the people who build it?

GO TO THE EGYPTIAN MUSEUM AND GET owned

seriously how can you ignore all that proof and come up with yourown mulepoo theories?

its like how people described how they build a bridge and some crackhead comes along and says ze aliens did it with ultimate floatation technique
Stellar
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You people just love to tear other down don't you?


Some people need "tearing down" in order to make them see reality. What? I told you the truth... got a problem with it? You told me to look into the "Baghdad Battery" and the "Philidelphia Experiment" and I told you what I've found and what is the case.

When someone says he can fly, and you tell him to prove it, is that "tearing him down"?

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Keep an open mind. ANYTHING is possible.


Not everything is probable.

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And just because there is no evidence, doens't mean it didn't happen, or never exsisted.


But it does mean that theres no evidence and therefor you cant use it to back up an idea.

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Try not to be so harsh to people in the future guys.


Im not being harsh, I'm being honest. Would you rather I accept your ideas as 100% truth instead of looking into them and trying to find out what the truth is?

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This is a place to descuss things intelligently, not to bash one another for thinking something is interesting.


It speaks loads about what kind of person you are when you get mad and worked up because someone disagrees with you. Instead of comming here supporting your post, you come here complaining...

sanchera1978
i agree with your stellar for the most part. Tearing down isnt questioning your post further. tearing down is calling someone a crack head for thinking outside the box. I thought these forums were to discuss ideas not present scientific proof for every idea you have. antiaging hasnt even posted since his original so its not like lord baily is defending his post he is defending the right to post what we think and to not be called dumb for bringing up the idea.
Byuu94
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Eric Von Daniken believes that these had to be used as electric batteries.


Here's a piece of advice: don't use Daniken as a source, it really doesn't help your credibility. original.gif He often, either intentionally or unintentionally, changes the facts to fit his theories. Possibly leave out the pyramids next time, coral castle is interesting enough on it's own. thumbsup.gif
LordBailey
I will give a retort on your comments directly...

---""Some people need "tearing down" in order to make them see reality. What? I told you the truth... got a problem with it? You told me to look into the "Baghdad Battery" and the "Philidelphia Experiment" and I told you what I've found and what is the case.

When someone says he can fly, and you tell him to prove it, is that "tearing him down"?""---

No people should not be "Torn" down for tossing an "Idea" around. Because it is exactly that, an idea. I Also said it should make you think (Baghdad Battery/P.E.). I never said "read it and believe it!", did I? Your free to make up your own mind. Just try and not step on any toes on you way down.

---""Not everything is probable.""---

But there is still the possibility, right?

---""But it does mean that theres no evidence and therefor you cant use it to back up an idea.""---

Again, there is that word, "IDEA". Simple word right? Think you would understand what it meant...

---""Im not being harsh, I'm being honest. Would you rather I accept your ideas as 100% truth instead of looking into them and trying to find out what the truth is?""---

I never asked you to accept my ideas. Did I? Never did I say, "believe my words as you would the words of God?", or something similar did I? Again, I simply asked you to think about it for a while. And if your thoughts are still unchanged and your mind is still closed to " new ideas", then I'm happy for you, doesn't bother me. But don't tell people they are wrong when you could be wrong yourself.

---""It speaks loads about what kind of person you are when you get mad and worked up because someone disagrees with you. Instead of comming here supporting your post, you come here complaining...""---

Now you jump to personal insults as well? I never said I was angry did I? You assume things too quickly my friend. I was simply making an observation as to your behavior. And you continue to support my observations...

Please. Please please please, don't be so hasty to judge people. And just, consider, that they might be right. You never really know, things can change in a heartbeat my friend.

Thanks

LordBailey
QUOTE(sanchera1978 @ Feb 1 2005, 06:29 PM)
i agree with your stellar for the most part. Tearing down isnt questioning your post further. tearing down is calling someone a crack head for thinking outside the box. I thought these forums were to discuss ideas not present scientific proof for every idea you have. antiaging hasnt even posted since his original so its  not like lord baily is defending his post he is defending the right to post what we think and to not be called dumb for bringing up the idea.
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Stellar
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I thought these forums were to discuss ideas not present scientific proof for every idea you have.


No... its for discussing ideas and their validity.

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No people should not be "Torn" down for tossing an "Idea" around.


And no one is.

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I never said "read it and believe it!", did I?


I never said "You're wrong and I'm right" neither, did I?

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But there is still the possibility, right?


Theres the possibility that I'm an invisible pink elephant making you hallucinate and think that what you're reading on this forum was actually written. Its, however, not probable.

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Again, there is that word, "IDEA". Simple word right? Think you would understand what it meant...


I do understand what it meant... however, when someone tries to support the idea, its a different story.

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I never asked you to accept my ideas. Did I? Never did I say, "believe my words as you would the words of God?", or something similar did I?


Did I?

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But don't tell people they are wrong when you could be wrong yourself.


I didnt say you're wrong, did I?

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Now you jump to personal insults as well?


If you interpret that as an insult, its your fault, not mine. I simply wrote that it speaks loads about what kind of person you are... I didnt say whether that is good or bad... YOU yourself think that its bad.

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I never said I was angry did I?


Did I say you did?

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You assume things too quickly my friend.


Nope.

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I was simply making an observation as to your behavior.


I was making an observation as to your behavior... it was YOU who was complaining after I posted something about the Baghdad Battery and the Philidelphia experiment though...

aquatus1
Stellar, you are being your usual abrasive self, and it is not very surprising that LordBailey thinks that you are attacking him, even though the ones here who know you understand this is simply a part of your character, for better or worse.

That being said, it does seem, LordBailey, that you are taking offense were none was meant. Understandably, possibly, however perhaps you should both re-read this thread and maybe realize that it seems very silly to get worked up over this. No one is demanding a scientific analysis here, nor is anyone claiming that they have solved the mysteries of the universe (and I have my doubts concerning certain claims from the author of this thread).

Perhaps we can step away from the argument about...what, I'm not completely sure about, but in any case, can we shelf it and continue the discussion about Coral Castle?
LordBailey
It's obvious to me that it is pointless to argue with you. You make no points and furthermore, you obviously didn't read my quotes, or even remember what you wrote to me. Yes you insulted me, and I can safely say that most others who read it will get the same general opinion.

You strike me as the type that judges others points of view as being wrong, and only yours is the correct point of view. You argue a point that is not to be answered. Please keep an open mind, is not a question requiring an answer. It is a request. You take this place too seriously I think. Toss around your ideas. But try not to insult people while you do.

Thanks

LordBailey
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Feb 1 2005, 07:28 PM)
Stellar, you are being your usual abrasive self, and it is not very surprising that LordBailey thinks that you are attacking him, even though the ones here who know you understand this is simply a part of your character, for better or worse.

That being said, it does seem, LordBailey, that you are taking offense were none was meant.  Understandably, possibly, however perhaps you should both re-read this thread and maybe realize that it seems very silly to get worked up over this.  No one is demanding a scientific analysis here, nor is anyone claiming that they have solved the mysteries of the universe (and I have my doubts concerning certain claims from the author of this thread).

Perhaps we can step away from the argument about...what, I'm not completely sure about, but in any case, can we shelf it and continue the discussion about Coral Castle?
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I was not offended Aqua. I do not get offended by others simply using words. I was simply trying to make the point, that we should all consider each others ideas. And not shoot each other down for having that idea. That's all.

Stellar I will be the bigger man here and apologize for my comments if they offended you in any way. I would not have tossed in the word "please" if I meant offense by any of it. And If it is in your character to speak, well, like you do, then fine, I'll keep an eye out for you in my threads and respond accordingly, because that's my nature devil.gif

Anyway! CHECK OUT CORAL CASTLE! IT'S KEWL!

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aquatus1
Coral Castle is cool, though unfortunately, a bit of a let-down when you are actually there. More interesting, I think, is Edward himself. Not exactly hubby material, is he? No wonder "Sweet 16" wanted nothing to do with him. She even refused to go to his funeral.
LordBailey
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Feb 1 2005, 07:40 PM)
Coral Castle is cool, though unfortunately, a bit of a let-down when you are actually there.  More interesting, I think, is Edward himself.  Not exactly hubby material, is he?  No wonder "Sweet 16" wanted nothing to do with him.  She even refused to go to his funeral.
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Stellar
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Stellar, you are being your usual abrasive self, and it is not very surprising that LordBailey thinks that you are attacking him, even though the ones here who know you understand this is simply a part of your character, for better or worse.


Well, I'm trying to tell him that I wasnt attacking him...

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Yes you insulted me, and I can safely say that most others who read it will get the same general opinion.


Care to point otu where, then?

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Please keep an open mind, is not a question requiring an answer.


Are you calling me closed minded?

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And not shoot each other down for having that idea.


But thats where we disagree... in order to find out which ideas are the best, we do need to shoot down ideas that dont work.

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Stellar I will be the bigger man here and apologize for my comments if they offended you in any way.


No reason to apologize, they didnt.
MJB222
Possibly, if you think levitation is real hmm.gif
Scorpius
There still poses the question of how exactly Edward Leedskalnin constructed his Coral Castle. He's written a small handful of books about Magnetism and his theories supporting them. He believed through his mathematical and scientific approach that the earth contained a magnetic grid, which produced magnetic and electrical phenomena.

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Researchers have speculated that Ed learned the secret of levitation and one theory in particular caught the imagination of many. The planetary grid hypothesis postulates that the earth is covered by an invisible web of energy which is concentrated at points of telluric power, the convergence of which create unusal phenomena.

These telluric grid dynamics played a vital role in the construction of the Castle according to author Ray Stoner in his book, "The Enigma of Coral Castle." Stoner speculates that the complex was originally moved from Florida City to Homestead not because of privacy issues (as most historians suggest), but because Ed realized he had made a mathematical error in his original positioning, and moved the entire structure to take advantage of an area with greater telluric force.

According to author B.J.Cathie an authority on grid dynamics, "there exists an all-encompassing global grid with direct harmonic relationship to the speed of light, gravity, magnetics, and earth mass. All major changes of the physical state are brought about by harmonic interactions of these manifestations. The controlled manipulation of these forces would make it possible to instantaneously move mass from one point to another in space/time."

Cathie states, "measurements from Coral Castle yield harmonics related to Light and Gravity. The distance between Coral Castle and Grid Pole A (in the north) dispel any doubt about the site being an ideal position to allow Ed Leedskalnin to erect the huge blocks of coral with relative ease. Measurements indicate the harmonics necessary for the manipulation of anti-gravity."
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In response to the original post and expirmentation, I think you are on to something. Further scientific experimentation should be taken to fully understand the theories and concepts Edward Leedskalnin devised.

The process of his construction may not be linked to the Pyramids, but it could possibly have been used along with phsyical labour that played the major role in cunstructing the pyramids. They could have used either side by side.

The egyptians may not have written any tablets using Magnetism for fear of other neigbouring cultures acquiring their skills and using it against them. Possibly building walls so great that even the egyptians could not pass, which could explain why any writings were kept. Or perhaps they were written and hidden from public view.
LordBailey
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 1 2005, 11:23 PM)
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Stellar, you are being your usual abrasive self, and it is not very surprising that LordBailey thinks that you are attacking him, even though the ones here who know you understand this is simply a part of your character, for better or worse.


Well, I'm trying to tell him that I wasnt attacking him...

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Yes you insulted me, and I can safely say that most others who read it will get the same general opinion.


Care to point otu where, then?

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Please keep an open mind, is not a question requiring an answer.


Are you calling me closed minded?

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And not shoot each other down for having that idea.


But thats where we disagree... in order to find out which ideas are the best, we do need to shoot down ideas that dont work.

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Stellar I will be the bigger man here and apologize for my comments if they offended you in any way.


No reason to apologize, they didnt.
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You continue to prove my point friend...please keep proving me right. Keep adding to this thread with things that have nothing to do with this subject...in addition....there are no "best" ideas in a forum created for tossing around your thoughts about things...

Anyways, I told my wife about the coral castle and now she has turned into an addict with it in just a few hours. LOL. Almost sorry I told her about it. blush.gif
LordBailey
One more thing to think about Stellar, I never mentioned you personally in my retort at all. I used the words, "you people", meaning everyone who would tear someone down for having or supporting an idea they thought was interesting.

I'm done now... thumbsup.gif
Stellar
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You continue to prove my point friend...please keep proving me right.


Really? You keep saying that, but you dont seem to be able to back it up... You dont seem to be telling us why my posts keep proving your point..

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Keep adding to this thread with things that have nothing to do with this subject...


I'm only following your lead.

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there are no "best" ideas in a forum created for tossing around your thoughts about things...


Fine. What if I say I believe it was an invisible giant purple monkey that built the pyramids, and theres tons of evidence of it!? I guess that idea is just as good as any other? Even if theres truely no evidence for it yet tons of evidence for another idea?

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One more thing to think about Stellar, I never mentioned you personally in my retort at all.


You only posted after mine and Hotoke's post. Hotoke didnt mention you at all neither. I didnt either, I just added onto 2 things you braught up.
LordBailey
GIVE IT A REST. I'M DONE WITH YOU. BYE.
antiaging
QUOTE(aquatus1 @ Feb 1 2005, 09:21 AM)
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Scientists do not know how he did it. The equipment he had was not strong enough to lift the great stones. He said that he knew the secret of how the Egyptian pyramids were built.



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I would like to point out to you that many small ceramic jars containing metal were found near the pyramids and these jars would become electric batteries if a corrosive liquid, such as vinegar or other acids, were put into them. Eric Von Daniken believes that these had to be used as electric batteries.


No small ceramic jars containing metal were found near the pyramids. The Baghdad batteries were found outside of Baghdad in Iraq back in 1938, and it should be noted that no evidence of wires, or records of any use, have ever been found. It is entirely within the realm of possibility that these were nothing more than a novelty item; much as the wheel in the Inca civilization never progressed beyond the stage of a child's toy, or the Hero engine never evolved into the steam engine in ancient Greece. There were only a dozen batteries found, and even if they were all attached in line, the amperage would have been negligeable. Even the voltage is put to shame by a modern-day 9-volt battery.

There was a tv special by Van Daniken and others and he said that the ceramic jar batteries were found near the great pyramid area. The batteries you are talking about are something else. The ceramic jar batteries found near the pyramids put out a power suffiecient to light a small flourescent bulb. There is also an egyptian hieroglyph of a man holding what looks like a light with a filament in it, about 3 ft. long.
I once saw a science speaker on TV put two strips of different metals connected to wires into a bowl of sauerkraut and the acid in there produced enough electricity to run a small motor. These ceramic jars would have put out more power than that. Connecting them plus to plus and minus to minus would increase amperage. Connecting them plust to minus and minus to plus would increase voltage. Everytime you connected another one it would increase power.


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The pyramids contain stones weighing 200 tons set to within a very small fraction of an inch. Modern engineers will tell you that they could not build the pyramids today even if they used modern machinery.


Let's not be silly. Engineers today set bridges, refrigeration units, entire oil platform sections, and various other monolithic objects weighing easily over 200 tons, to fractions of a millimeter, so that the boltholes line up together. The Great Pyramid, while a marvel of its time, is nowhere near as accurate as people like to think it is, and nothing as good as we could build today.


I have seen several engineers on TV remark that it could not be done today. They couldn't even reproduce the straitness of one of the corner lines going from the base to the top. The percentage of error, in that line, with such big stones is too small for an engineer to attempt today.

Whether or not Edward Leedskalnin was correct in his theories (and many of them can be tested and shown to be wrong, which is something most supporters of the untestable theories don't like to point out), it doesn't change a few significant facts. One, the lifts, pulleys, and tripods still located in Coral Castle are strong enough to move the vast majority of the blocks (although, again, brute force need not apply. This is a job requiring technique.). Two, there are plenty of shims and wedges on site, used to progressively lift heavy items to a required height. Three, the man was obsessive compulsive, to the point that he literally worked himself to death, eventually dying from malnutrition. He didn't have the body of a man who floated blocks through the air. He had the body of a man who had pushed it beyond its limits, and it simply gave out.

You keep overlooking one thing. People from the town spying on him with binoculars, signed sworn affidavits that they saw heavy stones floating in the air. He moved the whole castle to another spot because he was beat up once. The man driving the flat bed truck was asked to stand around the corner. After a few minutes he heard a large noise at his truck. He ran around the corner and a large stone weighing tons was on his truck. No lifting equipment was seen. This was repeated again and again until he moved the whole castle.
This was featured on "In Search of" with Leonard Nimoy.
Guess what! There is no way he used pulleys, or leverage, or wedges to do that, in a few minutes, with stones weighing many tons.

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Stellar
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There was a tv special by Van Daniken and others and he said that the ceramic jar batteries were found near the great pyramid area. The batteries you are talking about are something else. The ceramic jar batteries found near the pyramids put out a power suffiecient to light a small flourescent bulb.


'nuff said.

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There is also an egyptian hieroglyph of a man holding what looks like a light with a filament in it, about 3 ft. long.


Theres hieroglyphs which look like the Millenium Falcon... I, however, doubt they saw StarWars.

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I once saw a science speaker on TV put two strips of different metals connected to wires into a bowl of sauerkraut and the acid in there produced enough electricity to run a small motor. These ceramic jars would have put out more power than that. Connecting them plus to plus and minus to minus would increase amperage. Connecting them plust to minus and minus to plus would increase voltage. Everytime you connected another one it would increase power.


And how much would they need to actually do anything important? Not only that, but these "batteries" arent that hightech..

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I have seen several engineers on TV remark that it could not be done today. They couldn't even reproduce the straitness of one of the corner lines going from the base to the top. The percentage of error, in that line, with such big stones is too small for an engineer to attempt today.


Really? Which pyramid are we talking about? Im not sure about other pyramids, but I remember that the Great Pyramid has a curvature on the sides, which would mean that the lines arent that staight afterall.

Scorpius
Well if these ceramic jars were used as "batteries" than despite their ancient times they possessed a good understanding of chemistry. I'm sure they didn't just build these just for eye candy. Just because only a few were found in the pyramids thousands of years later, imagine what happened to the other ceramic jars that could have been standing along every wall.

Maybe they needed room and destroyed or moved most of these jars out of the pyramids after they were constructed.
Stellar
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Well if these ceramic jars were used as "batteries" than despite their ancient times they possessed a good understanding of chemistry.


Not necessairly... most discoveries are actually dumb luck... its always possible that something like this was discovered accidentally, and they didnt yet know the true science behind it.


Scorpius
Hmm that is true. I mean cave men didn't calculate the energy of heat from a fire they had lit to that of a forest fire, nor did they stand around the middle of a field to test the accuracy of lightning. Then again if it were true it'd really be strange. grin2.gif

Well, we'll know for sure if we unearth other artifacts from beneath the sands.
et's daddy
not to get back to the original thread or anything

but isnt there a train in japan that uses electricity and magnets to "hover" over the tracks and be propelled ?

could that shed any light on this ?
aquatus1
Indeed it does. Each section of the Maglevs consists of hundreds of SuperConducting Magnets. Each of these SCM's is capabale of generating over 700 kA of magnetomotive force. The power demands are so high that each section requires its own substation.

If the Egyptians levitated the blocks, they didn't do it with electricity.
aquatus1
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There was a tv special by Van Daniken and others and he said that the ceramic jar batteries were found near the great pyramid area. The batteries you are talking about are something else. The ceramic jar batteries found near the pyramids put out a power suffiecient to light a small flourescent bulb. There is also an egyptian hieroglyph of a man holding what looks like a light with a filament in it, about 3 ft. long.
I once saw a science speaker on TV put two strips of different metals connected to wires into a bowl of sauerkraut and the acid in there produced enough electricity to run a small motor. These ceramic jars would have put out more power than that. Connecting them plus to plus and minus to minus would increase amperage. Connecting them plust to minus and minus to plus would increase voltage. Everytime you connected another one it would increase power.


I am not sure if you are aware of this, but Von Daineken has, on many occasions, been found to distort, or even fabricate, the 'facts' he presents and publishes. Using him as a source tends to be a negative thing. The only ancient batteries that have been found are the Baghdad batteries; this is what makes them so unique. If you would re-read Daineken's speculation, I think you will find that, while he does mention the batteries, he neglects to mention that they were found in another country, and that no evidence has been found that they were ever used for any practical purposes. No evidence of supporting technology, such as wires, has ever been found. A potato battery, found at any local toy store, does pretty much the same thing as these ancient batteries. Amperage and Voltage isn't simply a matter of mathematics; there are physical limits placed by the materials used. No matter how many potatoes you line up, they have an upper limit of usable power, and it is not much higher than the 3-volt light that comes with the kit.

The hieroglyph isn't of a lightbulb, it is of the sun, and if memory serves, it indicates change. Remember the lack of supporting technology: a lightbulb would indicate extremely fine glass-making skills and metallurgy from a people who could only cast figurines and work in copper.

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I have seen several engineers on TV remark that it could not be done today. They couldn't even reproduce the straitness of one of the corner lines going from the base to the top. The percentage of error, in that line, with such big stones is too small for an engineer to attempt today.


And you no doubt saw these engineers on the same program that supported an unexplained mystery concerning the pyramid. Chances are pretty low that the producers would put someone on who didn't agree with the premise of the show. Similarly, when ABC did their documentary on Atlantis, they were unable to find an anthropologist or archeologist who would support the history of Atlantis, and had to film a historian instead.

I have worked with engineers, and have worked on schematics and blueprints, and I am fully aware of the tolerances modern construction must meet. It is measured in the thousands of millimeters, sometimes more. A mistake in the width of a single paper-thin flange is enough to cause an entire re-design of certain structures. The pyramid's design reflects the primitive tools they had. The corners are square, to an acceptable margin, even by modern standards, but then, shooting a straight line isn't anything that requires high technology to do. The Egyptians simple used a knotted triangular rope combined with the Pythagorean Theorem (yes, we have multiple examples of these ropes in museums; they were the ancient equivalent of a builder's square.) As for the base to the top, there is indeed a curvature, minute as it is, caused by a miscalculation. The link here will give you the exact measuments, and you can check it yourself.

The UPUHAUT Project

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You keep overlooking one thing. People from the town spying on him with binoculars, signed sworn affidavits that they saw heavy stones floating in the air. He moved the whole castle to another spot because he was beat up once. The man driving the flat bed truck was asked to stand around the corner. After a few minutes he heard a large noise at his truck. He ran around the corner and a large stone weighing tons was on his truck. No lifting equipment was seen. This was repeated again and again until he moved the whole castle.
This was featured on "In Search of" with Leonard Nimoy.
Guess what! There is no way he used pulleys, or leverage, or wedges to do that, in a few minutes, with stones weighing many tons.


You need to re-read the original story. All of these exagerations grew from the myth of Coral Castle. No one signed any affidavits that they saw floating stones; they were run off anytime they tried to spy. The flat bed was there overnight, not for a few minutes, and the driver went home rather than stick around. Don't trust the stories you see flying around. Go to the source.

Incidentally, a good 2-man crew can lift a 10-ton block using a lever and shims a good two feet in as little as five minutes. The company I was working for did this once at the company picnic.
LordBailey
QUOTE(Stellar @ Feb 3 2005, 12:11 AM)
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Well if these ceramic jars were used as "batteries" than despite their ancient times they possessed a good understanding of chemistry.


Not necessairly... most discoveries are actually dumb luck... its always possible that something like this was discovered accidentally, and they didnt yet know the true science behind it.
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Maybe they were "helped" somehow? Maybe they were shown how to get more power from them? I dunno. But our batteries today aren't really THAT high tech. They work off the same principal of acidic compounds which produce electric currents. Intersting to think about though. thumbsup.gif
aquatus1
Whoever helped them must not have known a whole lot more than they did.

Seriously, history is full of discoveries that could have been incredible if only followed up on. Science cannot be done in isolation. Something as pivotal as the wheel was of little use to the mountain dwelling Inca, and thus never made it past the stage of the child's toy. The steam powered Hero's engine was little more than a novelty item in ancient Greece. Today's technology is much more efficient and superior, but the big reason we can put together so much isn't because we are advanced, but because we can communicate with the world, and fill in the gaps and ideas we were unable to before. Science can only create; it's imagination that fuels the drive. The batteries are an excellent example. 2000 years ago, when they were first made, there was no discernable use for them. Today, simple thanks to communication, we can apply them to lighting, to electroplating, to a bewildering variety of jobs that the ancients would never have conceived of.
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