I heard on a show that if you walk into area 51 u have no rights and we will be shot?

don't we have a right to a fair trial or has the government gone over those rules?! Do they have THAT right?

it's a conspericy damn it.

Well, I guess in a way it could be...

But with all the hate going on in the world, nothing/ no one lives purely anymore, and killing is a normal thing. So,I guess they do have that right...

GOD! THEY ARE EVIL! SMITE THEM!

It is land that belongs to someone else.

If a complete stranger walks into your front room, most americans would react with defense, correct? because it is your private property, and as such being there would be breaking the law and the citizen has the right to defend his home.

Why would this be different for Area 51? It is after all private property, and you would be tresspassing on the land. The only difference is this is MILITARY private property, and they're slightly more with the law than the casual civilian.

but if some1 comes into your property u have no right 2 shoot them wit a sniper.

No, and your home is not a Military Installation housing weapons and devices not suitable for civilian eyes.
How do they know you're not planning on stealing a tank or something?
So they post warnings, and if you don't heed the warnings, they will take suitable action if they deem fit.

no1 knows what is in area 51 exept people who have been there how do you know its a weapons instilation?

could it be nasa's keeping spot

(i love independence day)

Naturally, if they have the ability to shoot you, they have weapons there. I didn't mean it's purpose was soley for containment of weapons, but generally thats to be expected in a Military base since their entire focus is the creation of new weapons of war is it not?

ok but that dosent goive them the right to kill someone we are all the same and the laws should apply to everyone not just the bigger politicaly aware people... or rich people

The warnings are posted. Don't heed them, pay the consequences.
They are the United States Military, and they have due reason to use force in protecting the US Militaries secrets from spies and prying eyes.

that ill buy i tip my hat to u

people who have worked in area 51 have come forward to tell about it, and from what they say, it's basically just a secret weapons research area. (planes and such)

Of course it is. Which is why it's secret.
Do you want the enemies of the US to get their hands on the data of what the US is developing in reguards to state of the art warfare weaponry? No!
So the secrecy is for the protection of the people of the United States. But THEY feel like it should be something that is publically known! Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

but another man said he saw a ufo there

It doesnt exist

And another man said that he was the reincarnation of jesus.
Do you believe everything everyone says?

but he also gave a artist a description and there is the rendition its not solid proof but he did work in area 51

That directed to me? I was being sarcastic. Government trys to say that it doesnt exist, which is bull. Drive out from Vegas, and there it is.



And since they are the government, and they are holding classified, top secret, crazy amazing technology, I assum that they will do anything to keep the secrets from getting out.

Maybe he was ment to, to shift the focus away from developmental weaponry, to extra terrestrials and whatnot. Ooooo.

No jeremy, that was not directed at you. Thanks for the input tho.

Ah, so we must nuke Area 51 then...

yes yes we must

Isnt it possible that the people "coming out" were told to do that to throw us off track?

How much does an ICBM go for these days in the black market...?

Oh haha..sorry Burnside ..didnt realize you already wrote it

Great minds think alike JayMan.

on any military instalation you can not amlessly walk anywere you want to. From a show i saw who had a Civilian Contractor who work at Area 51 (he was a machinest) he had to wear gogles similar to welders gogles that limated his vision to about 10 feet and everywere he went (even the washroom) there was an armed Soldier there following him.

So dont belive people who say "i worked at area 51 and i walked into a hanger and saw a UFO"

And the US MIlitary was activly researching the possiblilty of a Flying Disk. And they did build them, both jet and Helecopter type aircraft.

ANywho i think that Teh Groom Lake Facility located in Area 51, which is by Area 50 and Area 52. I bet they are most likely researching a Fighter jet which can go into space etc. because of the longer runway.

~Thanato

The most the camo dudes will do is arrest you, keep you for a few days and charge you with tresspassing. Then you get to sign a form that says you won't tell anyone what you saw, even if was only desert scrub and jackrabbits.
They can put you in prison for ten years and fine you $100,000 if they so desire.
But to the best of knowledge, this has not happened to anyone recently.

No UFO's just a bunch of top secret military aircraft and a bunch of weapons.

Black market value of ICBM's is about 20 million U.S. But they don't stock those at Groom Lake. You need to go to Nellis AFB for the nuclear stuff.

Does that include the launch pad, or is that sold separately...?

Sold seperately

Batteries not included.

I was always with the belief that Area 51 was basically for producing and researching Top-Secret Military Aircraft, Nothing more. I don't believe they have Aliens there, I don't believe they have done autotopsies on Aliens there, I don't believe that they have parts of UFO's there, and I most certainly do not believe they have Santa Claus there.

Tredmond

well of course not

Santa is at Wright Patterson

Damn it, ET! Now we got to move the big guy again!

lol!

Good point Burnside. Just because people say something is true doesn't make it fact. Just look at Bill Clinton. oops did I say that

I think it depends upon what you're doing at the time your caught. If you're armed, they will probably open fire on you. But as with police, the security detail would announce it's presence, telling you to halt or a similar command...if you do, you'll be detined, have most belonging confiscated (especially film and cameras), and then you'd be turned over the proper authorites where you'll likely be calling someone for bail money.

I do not see anyone on that base bringing an M4 to bear and dropping you dead in the sand for snooping around.

However, if you where to probe deep within the base perimeter and see something you weren't, then the punishment would be much more severe; probably including that you sign legal paper that agree you do not reveal anything you'd seen or face more jail time. Something like that.

I mean, even if you run from the Camo dudes, they'll probably just call in air assets and track you down with thermal sensors. It's a long way back to the highway...you're not gettin' far.

What it all comes down to is the us government screwing the us people its the same with most governments. The uk is as bad we just havn,t got anymore rights we are lied and cheated on a grand scale all the time also i think if you did a deep probe in area 51 passing the gards,mines,elec fences and under ground listening devices and seen somthing you should not have you would be coming out in a pine box looking like a sive .......................... roll on the revolution!!!!!!!

Yes, but if we have a revolution, and overthrow the government, and stomr the gates of the compound, and it turns out there's nothing out of the ordinary in Area 51...

Well, won't your face be red?

Yeah, it probably will. But then us anarchists can sit around and have crazy people, do our job for us. Sort of ironic actully..

I beleive they have Alien technlogey there, but not aliens. I'm not saying that they've never BEEN aliens there, just that they don't store them there or do autopsys and junk.

I have no doubt that area 51 was used as an experimental facility and had technology not from this planet. The kind of manuevers that witnesses have observed in the crafts flying over the area, not only defy modern technology, they move at speeds that would not be survivable for human pilots.


Having said that, I don't think for one second that anything like that is going on now in Area 51, for the simple reason the place is under too much scrutiny from the public. Given the last fifteen years of shows like The X Files, etc, there has been a huge boom in UFO interest involving UFOs and reverse technology going on there. I think the government agencies have moved all questionable technology from the area to an as yet undisclosed place. Some are saying a new base with about the same level of research recently opened up in a remote area of Utah. I think whatever alien technology left to reverse engineer has been moved out of Area 51. Guess we will have to start the search for Area "52"..

The F-117 Nighthawk and the B-2 Spirit defied modern technology... until they were released to the public. And many of these speeds imaginable are quite survivable provided the acceleration isnt too steep. Even if it is too steep, its survivable if you manage to get the tech necessary to greate an artificial environment inside the craft thats completely independant of the outside environment.

If I remember correctly(who knows!), the F-117 and B-2 Spirit were not designed for extraordinary speed; they were designed for stealth penetration. It should also be noted that their manueverability is not all that great. The reason the manuevability is special is because the crafts are not very aerodynamically stable, and thus requires enormous computing power to both maintain stability and perform mundane evasive actions.

I would agree. Individual privacy and privilege can only go so far in any reasonable society.
Look at it this way:
-Let's say that the monetary reserves of the US are in Fort Knox(whether they are or not is not the point, just play along)
-Should you, as a US citizen, be allowed into the "vault"?
-Should you, citing "privacy" rights, be allowed in the vault and left alone?
-Should you, again citing "privacy" be allowed to exit the entire complex without being checked?

The "you" is anyone that is a US citizen.
Since ANYONE with a single brain cell in their head would readily recognize that the above actions are not tolerated by any reasoning, the same holds true for military sites. Your "rights" are restricted, limited and in certain cases entirely voided.

Area 51 is sorrounded by hidden cameras. I reccomend you google it.

Hidden? They did a lousy job at hiding them.

And my point is that that stealth technology was above the publics tech at the time.

If you want, we can use the SR-71 as an example too.




The manuverability wasnt important in my point. My point was, they were higher tech than the public had access too... so just because someone sees something flying in the sky that seems to have higher tech than what the public has access to doesnt mean that it has to be alien.



You can pretty much see the cameras... THey're there to intimidate the people.

If I want someone to see a camera, I don't hide it in a barrel.

So big thing with a lense on the hill that you see from the road is just a balloon?

I never said they hid all the cameras. If you look at the conspiriacy photo album or google it, you'll see what I'm talking about.