Miss.B.Havin
Dec 19 2005, 04:58 PM
you know what? prove we aren't real. just because you are so wanting to be right does not mean you are. prove god exists. prove the big bang theory. prove the existence of tectonis plates. prove the center of the earth is liquid rock. you could go on all day telling us to prove it, but because you refuse to see what's right in front of you makes it impossible.
Psibear
Dec 19 2005, 05:02 PM
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No... all he is doing is making random guesses.
Some people lie, others are convinced themselves of figments of their own imagination, such as a child and his invisible friend.
None of them credible. There are palm readers too, but I dont trust them...
Because some people think the powers exist and thus wantt to learn them... thus monitarily supporting these few schools, and the conning they do. Have you heard of Sylvia Brown?
Excuses excuses. At least the cats out of the bag... all of these claims... yet no one wants to prove the abilities or even truely help anyone else by using these abilities. How selfish.
Prove it.
Its much more likely that noone has these abilities that misteriously disappear when there are attempts to prove them.
yes i have heard of Sylvia brown i have some of her books and the stuff works...exactly do U see a childs invisible friend? No u don't b/c u don't believe in it thought is a powerful thing and the child has just created a being he believes in...is the imaginary friend any better than god? I think not god has not come down and shown us he exist its called blind faith. I presume u r a christian b/c of ur avatar. So tell me where's ur proof of god? hmmm... dont say the bible its a man made book and could just be a big hoax, in everyone's head. dont say jesus he might be like what u call psychics he thought he was gods son so soon everyone believed him even w/ only a few little tricks i.e. water to wine, walking on water.
Mr Ed
Dec 19 2005, 06:00 PM
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yes i have heard of Sylvia brown i have some of her books and the stuff works
Sylvia Brown is a fraud, her books make money by conning people.
When reading these extracts, bear in mind that-
'she claims she is 85% - 90% accurate with her predictions'.
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Thursday 19th February 2004
Osama Bin Laden is dead. This will be announced before the Spring.
Wrong.
Yellowstone Park will erupt soon.
Wrong.
John Kerry will win the election.
Wrong.
US troops will be home from Iraq by June or July.
Wrong.
There will be no terrorist attacks in the US this year. Maybe some small attacks in Florida.
No attacks in the US and no small attacks in Florida.
The east coast of the US will be hit by a tsunami this year.
Wrong.
Saddam Hussein will be dead before his trial.
The very, very few she did get right were easy guesses, obviously one hit when you have so many educated guesses.
And just to improve her credibility...
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2010 Aliens will reveal themselves. They are already walking among us.
Anti-Gravitational rods helped move the stone blocks to build the pyramids.
Psibear
Dec 19 2005, 08:11 PM
oh yeah i am a christian so yeah...don't be all like "and he called me a satanist"
Stellar
Dec 19 2005, 08:19 PM
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just because people are skeptic about it doesn't mean it isn't real.
But the fact that all these people making claims, for some unknown reason (

) cant prove them, and the fact that many of these people grow out of this phase does seem to indicate that people dont have these powers.
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how else would you explain the fact that even the bible has psychics and the military uses psychics?
The bible? Oh, well in that case...
Wait, doesnt LotR also make fantasitic claims? Wait, then theres spiderman! I knew he was real! I knew it!
The government abandoned its psychic programs (RVing) for lack of results, btw.
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just cuz you don't believe doesn't mean they're not there.
Just cuz you believe doesnt mean they are.
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besides, this is a forum for young psychics.
Show me where it says so.
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if you don't believe in psychics then why are you here? unless, of course,you yourself have doubts about what you believe to be true....it sounds to me like you're trying to convince yourself more than convince others that psychis aren't real....but hey, whatever floats your boat...
Maybe I'm hear to learn about the causes of the claims?
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no i can't tell you because im not in direct communication with you.
You're in as direct communication with me as you would be in a chat room.
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But U rnt experiencing to many emotions right now unless u count frustration as an emotion.
Lol... If you said the opposite, you'd be closer.
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prove we aren't.
Since you make the claim, its up to you to prove you are.
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so we don't have proof for you to see doesn't mean we aren't real.
Taking into concideration the ease with which it would be to prove these abilities, and the fact that many people grow out of this phase and admit later on that it was just wishful thinking and an overactive imagination... chances are, you arent real.
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as psychics we were fine until u came...
Until I came? I've been here longer than you!
And we were fine before the people making fantastic claims came...
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why do u insist on staying here? i stay here b/c im a psychic and im looking for help w/ my abilities.
We stay here because we look for explanations for why people *believe* they have the abilities. We stay here because we would love to have one of these people prove their so called abilities. Sadly, its not happening.
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you stay here because u try do say we're fake but none of the psychics believe you.
Just as none of the non psychics believe this majoritarily teen ruled domain of "psychics".
Stellar
Dec 19 2005, 08:39 PM
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you know what? prove we aren't real.
You made the claim. Its up to you to prove you ARE real. Its not up to us to prove a negative...
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just because you are so wanting to be right does not mean you are.
As I've said in my other post, I dont want to be right. I would love for these abilities to exist, it would make life much more interesting... but I'm not going to kid myself.
And just because you want to believe in these abilities, or want to believe that you have these abilities, doesnt mean they actually exist.
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prove god exists.
I dont believe in god. Whoever talks in absolutes about his existence or says he does exist, I ask the sam.
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prove the big bang theory.
Lmfao, are you for real?
Prove the Big Bang
Theory?
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prove the existence of tectonis plates.
Ever heard of earthquakes? Do a bit of research into them.
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prove the center of the earth is liquid rock.
Quite easy. Using proven mathematical formulas which take into account things like pressure and temperature at the center of the Earth, you can calculate in which form the contents would be at.
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you could go on all day telling us to prove it, but because you refuse to see what's right in front of you makes it impossible.
Right infront of me? Thats been the problem all along... no one's put it any proof anywhere near me.
And I never said these things were impossible. Everything is possible, but not all things are probable. Psi abilities deal with the latter specifically... (ie: not probable)
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yes i have heard of Sylvia brown i have some of her books and the stuff works...
This purported psychic has been making claims for years and year... she's been debunked many times and shown to be a fraud. This doesnt stop people from listening to her and spending money on her though.
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exactly do U see a childs invisible friend? No u don't b/c u don't believe in it
I'd think that the fact that the invisible friend doesnt exist is a much larger factor...
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and the child has just created a being he believes in...
He imagined a friend. He's convinced said friend exists, at his age. The fact is, this imaginary friend doesnt. The child wont hear any of that though, he'll argue forever that the friend does exist.
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I think not god has not come down and shown us he exist its called blind faith.
You're right. It is called *blind* faith. I dont believe in god though for that very reason, and for others.
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I presume u r a christian b/c of ur avatar.
Lol... not at all. What about my avatar makes you think I'm religious, or even christian?
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So tell me where's ur proof of god? hmmm... dont say the bible its a man made book and could just be a big hoax, in everyone's head. dont say jesus he might be like what u call psychics he thought he was gods son so soon everyone believed him even w/ only a few little tricks i.e. water to wine, walking on water.
Lol, I dont believe in god any more than I believe in spiderman.
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oh yeah i am a christian so yeah...don't be all like "and he called me a satanist"
What?
Psibear
Dec 19 2005, 11:06 PM
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you keep Miss.B. Havin's and my stuff together, we're two seperate people. We're not in the type direct communication that i need for my empathy...see i get ur emotions at the time if ur not there and not talking than how do i know if im right AND if i did try u would just say I'm guessing. See you project ur emotions to people like me(an empath) even if you don't know it but i recieve ur emotions when u talk to me, but you see im not talking to you right now,no im not, im talking to myself and then later after my emotional signals are gone u'll read this. See so when i read what u type i don't feel ur emotions because they rnt being sent to me. Go ahead say it "Excuses Excuses" i know you will but oh well. oh and ur avatar is a fish...christians used to use that symbol to show there christianity when it was against the kings law to be a christian. Oh yeah and we dont know for sure about tectonic plates...its a theory and we dont know the middle of the earth is liquid either its a theory too...there may be formulas and discussions and it may sound right but we dont know for sure...have we ever been there? NO we haven't. have me ever seen the boundaries of these plates? No we haven't we just see mountains and volcanoes and earthquakes happening in a line which we call the plates boundary. So how can u believe in that with no proof, and then turn around and not believe in psychics...we can explain our abilities to you i have clairvoyance, empthy, auric sight, and a few not so strong ones...I'll gladly theorize how they work, and judging by how u so willingly believe the middle of the earth is molten rock and that there are in fact tectonic plates that should be plenty of proof to satiate your minds starvation for knowledge. So tell me do you have any imagination what so ever? i mean real imagination not just being able to imagine a purple penguin on everyone's head, i mean being able to create characters for stories and create lives or them to live, being able to fly all over the world on the back of a dragon, being able to sprout glorious wings made of sunlight and moonlight and travel the universe...all in your head? probably not...have u ever thought the same thing as a friend at the same time,have you ever had a gut feeling, have you ever known who was calling w/ out the use of caller ID, have u ever felt as if someone were a bad person only to find out later they are? probably not, though these are all psychic experiences, see just as you thirst for answers people all around u are getting them though b/c they think like you they think its all a coincedence...but how many times can the same coincedence occur before its no longer a coincedence...open ur eyes, fill ur lungs, breathe the light, open urself to the world around u. Continue to argue if you will but as for me I'm done. Insult me if u must, I'll explain things but thats all, I'm done fighting, but you continue to fight for what you know is right, in my heart and soul i hold my beliefs (oh and this may seem wacky but i think humans have souls) so if u must stay, then stay but i refuse to argue any longer. To know u rnt a christian makes it seem wrong to fight you, you'll be dealt with in the end unless you change. I'm not trying to be all peace-bringerish I'm just done i know what i know and u know what u know. Good-bye
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Dec 19 2005, 11:14 PM
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you keep Miss.B. Havin's and my stuff together, we're two seperate people. We're not in the type direct communication that i need for my empathy...see i get ur emotions at the time if ur not there and not talking than how do i know if im right AND if i did try u would just say I'm guessing. See you project ur emotions to people like me(an empath) even if you don't know it but i recieve ur emotions when u talk to me, but you see im not talking to you right now,no im not, im talking to myself and then later after my emotional signals are gone u'll read this. See so when i read what u type i don't feel ur emotions because they rnt being sent to me. Go ahead say it "Excuses Excuses" i know you will but oh well. oh and ur avatar is a fish...christians used to use that symbol to show there christianity when it was against the kings law to be a christian. Oh yeah and we dont know for sure about tectonic plates...its a theory and we dont know the middle of the earth is liquid either its a theory too...there may be formulas and discussions and it may sound right but we dont know for sure...have we ever been there? NO we haven't. have me ever seen the boundaries of these plates? No we haven't we just see mountains and volcanoes and earthquakes happening in a line which we call the plates boundary. So how can u believe in that with no proof, and then turn around and not believe in psychics...we can explain our abilities to you i have clairvoyance, empthy, auric sight, and a few not so strong ones...I'll gladly theorize how they work, and judging by how u so willingly believe the middle of the earth is molten rock and that there are in fact tectonic plates that should be plenty of proof to satiate your minds starvation for knowledge. So tell me do you have any imagination what so ever? i mean real imagination not just being able to imagine a purple penguin on everyone's head, i mean being able to create characters for stories and create lives or them to live, being able to fly all over the world on the back of a dragon, being able to sprout glorious wings made of sunlight and moonlight and travel the universe...all in your head? probably not...have u ever thought the same thing as a friend at the same time,have you ever had a gut feeling, have you ever known who was calling w/ out the use of caller ID, have u ever felt as if someone were a bad person only to find out later they are? probably not, though these are all psychic experiences, see just as you thirst for answers people all around u are getting them though b/c they think like you they think its all a coincedence...but how many times can the same coincedence occur before its no longer a coincedence...open ur eyes, fill ur lungs, breathe the light, open urself to the world around u. Continue to argue if you will but as for me I'm done. Insult me if u must, I'll explain things but thats all, I'm done fighting, but you continue to fight for what you know is right, in my heart and soul i hold my beliefs (oh and this may seem wacky but i think humans have souls) so if u must stay, then stay but i refuse to argue any longer. To know u rnt a christian makes it seem wrong to fight you, you'll be dealt with in the end unless you change. I'm not trying to be all peace-bringerish I'm just done i know what i know and u know what u know. Good-bye
So many powers at such a young age. Your sooooo lucky.
Miss.B.Havin
Dec 20 2005, 12:46 AM
You know, for someone who is supposed to be skeptic, you seem to trust in an awful lot of theories....and like i've said before, and i'm sure psibear would agree with me, you sound like you're trying to convince yourself more than us. if we aren't real then why are there so many people who, as you so lightly put it, "make claims" to this? and in order to prove it, some psychics have to be in direct contact with the other person. (BTW this is NOT direct contact) some people feel bad enough about how they have these, extra senses if you will. And instead of helping, you people (aka skeptics) say enough bull the discourages them. it isn't fair to them. and another thing, if it isn't up to you to prove the negative, than why argue it? oh yea, because what you're *trying* to argue IS *trying* to prove the negative. if you want them to exist, then why can't you believe they do? we only use 1/3 of our brains, who's to say that the other 2/3 don't contain psychic abilities? and who is to say that some of us can't access even a tiny part of those other 2/3, just enough to give us a small boost to our own senses? a lot of what people call substantial proof is actually theoretical. and it seems you don't believe in a whole awful lot to me...so tell me, what do YOU believe in? i understand being skeptic, trust me, i do. i'm skeptic on most aspects of life myself. but it really interests me why you decide to go into a forum set up for psychics, yet you don't believe in them....interesting...
Flame Thrower
Dec 20 2005, 12:51 AM
I dont see why you're all so heated up. First, Im not a he, Im a she.
Second, for all I know, you're probably lying about your environment Stellar. Say, no Im not! But you trying to prove that, is about as useful as a psychic trying to prove their abilities to you. Hence this - I dont care.
Third, I think its quite funny that people with such high IQ's...supposedly, should want to spend all of their time arguing with 'delusional 13 year olds who think they have powers'. That really just proves how sad you all are.
Fourth, I think Ive succeeded in my purpose here. Ive wasted all of your time. Hey, guess what? In those hours you spent trying to think up stinging comebacks for each other, you wasted more time of your (ending) pointless, useless little life.
And hey, perception is life ay? What we believe is what we have. Life is what you think it is. You are what you eat, or some crap like that. Therefore, if people believe they have powers, in their world, they do.
Regards,
FT
Stellar
Dec 20 2005, 01:04 AM
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Second, for all I know, you're probably lying about your environment Stellar. Say, no Im not!
Lol, no wonder you think you have special abilities. Whenever you're wrong, the other person's just lieing and you're actually right.

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Third, I think its quite funny that people with such high IQ's...supposedly, should want to spend all of their time arguing with 'delusional 13 year olds who think they have powers'. That really just proves how sad you all are.
How does it prove anything?
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Fourth, I think Ive succeeded in my purpose here. Ive wasted all of your time. Hey, guess what? In those hours you spent trying to think up stinging comebacks for each other, you wasted more time of your (ending) pointless, useless little life.
Well, ok, if you say so.
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Therefore, if people believe they have powers, in their world, they do.
I believe I have a ferarri. I guess its out on the driveway waiting for me, hmm?
Miss.B.Havin
Dec 20 2005, 01:04 AM
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I dont see why you're all so heated up. First, Im not a he, Im a she.
Second, for all I know, you're probably lying about your environment Stellar. Say, no Im not! But you trying to prove that, is about as useful as a psychic trying to prove their abilities to you. Hence this - I dont care.
Third, I think its quite funny that people with such high IQ's...supposedly, should want to spend all of their time arguing with 'delusional 13 year olds who think they have powers'. That really just proves how sad you all are.
Fourth, I think Ive succeeded in my purpose here. Ive wasted all of your time. Hey, guess what? In those hours you spent trying to think up stinging comebacks for each other, you wasted more time of your (ending) pointless, useless little life.
And hey, perception is life ay? What we believe is what we have. Life is what you think it is. You are what you eat, or some crap like that. Therefore, if people believe they have powers, in their world, they do.
Regards,
FT
AMEN!!! Finally someone who has a clear mind! ( and yes, i AM including myslef in the group that does not have a clear mind)
Miss.B.Havin
Dec 20 2005, 01:10 AM
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I believe I have a ferarri. I guess its out on the driveway waiting for me, hmm?
She didn't say that just because you believed it it was true, I think she basically meant that if someone wants to believe a certain thing, let them. It's their life, let them live it however they wish.
Stellar
Dec 20 2005, 01:13 AM
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She didn't say that just because you believed it it was true, I think she basically meant that if someone wants to believe a certain thing, let them.
I know... and I said what I said because it doesnt prove that these abilities exist.
Flame Thrower
Dec 20 2005, 01:15 AM
Of course thats why I think I have special abilities. And you know what else? Im still right. Doesnt it annoy you when someone forces their ideas onto you? Sort of how you make other people feel.
It proves something because you could be out doing something far more useful with yourself. Heck, you could be out there doing something useful for someone ELSE, but here you are. Dont you realise, no one except perhaps that one in a million chance, is going to change their views? So really, you've done nothing.
And about that other thing I said, where you simply replied, okay if you say so, yeah you think about it. But hey, it'll ring true one day, as you'll see. Ooh Im predicting something, must be my special abilities.
And yeah, you do have a ferarri. Its outside, go on, go check it out. See the thing is, when you dream, you believe what you see in your dreams. Those things dont exist, yet you put full trust in their existence. Take a step foward and do it in real life too. Same thing.
Regards,
FT
Flame Thrower
Dec 20 2005, 01:18 AM
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I know... and I said what I said because it doesnt prove that these abilities exist.
The fact is, you cant disprove or prove them. Live with it.
Miss.B.Havin
Dec 20 2005, 01:29 AM
FT you are so right. Thank you.
Stellar, humour us, let us believe what we will and move on. You can do nothing about it.
Flame Thrower
Dec 20 2005, 01:35 AM
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FT you are so right. Thank you.
Steller, humour us, let us believe what we will and move on. You can do nothing about it.
Exactly. Despite your utter most efforts, some things like this simply cannot be changed. People will have their opinions. That you cant change. However, you can go find a cure for cancer. That would help the world instead of all of us badgering each other as to the existence of something like this.
Regards,
FT
Stellar
Dec 20 2005, 01:37 AM
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Of course thats why I think I have special abilities. And you know what else? Im still right. Doesnt it annoy you when someone forces their ideas onto you? Sort of how you make other people feel.
Im not forcing my beliefs on others any more than they are on me.
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It proves something because you could be out doing something far more useful with yourself.
You could also, rather than making guesses about someones environment.
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Heck, you could be out there doing something useful for someone ELSE, but here you are.
So could you.
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So really, you've done nothing.
I've shown the rest of the forum that you have no special abilities. The rest of the forum that listens at least.
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And yeah, you do have a ferarri. Its outside, go on, go check it out. See the thing is, when you dream, you believe what you see in your dreams. Those things dont exist, yet you put full trust in their existence. Take a step foward and do it in real life too. Same thing.
Live a lie? How could I possibly believe something that I know is untrue, far less tell others its true? Its hypocritical.
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The fact is, you cant disprove or prove them. Live with it.
Fact is, its not up to me to disprove them.
Stellar
Dec 20 2005, 01:41 AM
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Exactly. Despite your utter most efforts, some things like this simply cannot be changed. People will have their opinions. That you cant change. However, you can go find a cure for cancer. That would help the world instead of all of us badgering each other as to the existence of something like this.
And you can use your abilities to help the same cause. Do you? Apparently not.
Miss.B.Havin
Dec 20 2005, 01:52 AM
Ever heard the saying "the best part of belive is the lie"? and if you believe it enough, you don't think of it as a lie. the power actually lies in your imagination. it's up to you to see the results. no one can make you see what you don't want to see.
Stellar
Dec 20 2005, 01:56 AM
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Ever heard the saying "the best part of belive is the lie"?
That doesnt mean its true, nor right.
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and if you believe it enough, you don't think of it as a lie.
If you know its not true thoughm you do.
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no one can make you see what you don't want to see.
Sadly, thats true. Thats why we have all these teen psions running around.
Flame Thrower
Dec 20 2005, 02:04 AM
No see I think you are forcing your beliefs on other people. Thats why so many people flame at you. Maybe its unknown to you however thats how you make other people feel.
I am doing something useful for the world. Proving you wrong. And really now, I never said I was better than you and that I was out there doing a billion things helpful, did I? You just assume I did. Well, thats where you are wrong and where it proves you are insecure of yourself, because you seem to KNOW you are not doing something useful. Guilt trip hey?
And of course I could be doing something useful for someone else. Remember, I never said I was already.
And the fact that you care what the rest of the forum thinks of me or you is really sad. The entire forum could tell to me f*** off and I could care less. Do you know why that is? Its because I have pride and dignity in myself and what I can and cannot do. You, my friend, have trouble with that and need the approval of people who couldnt give a rats a** about you, to validate yourself.
Living a lie hey? You seem to do it everyday, you are doing it right now. You live a lie in a million things that you do, and you cant deny that. No matter how small or trivial the factor is, you still live the lie.
And of course its not up to you to disprove them. But you just seem to assume that the responsibility is yours. Dont be so modest.
And the fact that you reply to everything with a, "so could you," really just proves you agree with what Im saying.
Regards,
FT
Flame Thrower
Dec 20 2005, 02:11 AM
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And you can use your abilities to help the same cause. Do you? Apparently not.
Apparently Im not hey? I think thats because Im a delusional 13 year old who thinks they have powers.
Quite contrary, I help as many people as I can. And amazingly, I have used my abilities to aid someone greatly.
Sincerely,
FT
Stellar
Dec 20 2005, 02:36 AM
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No see I think you are forcing your beliefs on other people.
Like I said, I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone anymore than they are on me.
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Thats why so many people flame at you.
I really dont give a damn that people flame at me. They dont like what I do, I dont like what they do. We can meet half way, but they dont want to do that apparently.
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Proving you wrong.
You have an odd way of going about that... by proving yourself wrong.
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And really now, I never said I was better than you and that I was out there doing a billion things helpful, did I?
Neither did I, did I?
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Well, thats where you are wrong and where it proves you are insecure of yourself, because you seem to KNOW you are not doing something useful.
Im not doing anything less useful than you are by posting here.
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And the fact that you care what the rest of the forum thinks of me or you is really sad.
I really dont.
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The entire forum could tell to me f*** off and I could care less.
Lol, a lot of this section has told me that... do you see me crying?
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Its because I have pride and dignity in myself and what I can and cannot do.
Really? Then why do you feel the need to invent some inexistent abilities which the general population doesnt have? I think its YOU who feels insecure.
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You, my friend, have trouble with that and need the approval of people who couldnt give a rats a** about you, to validate yourself.
Do I? Is that your professional analyses? Then why am I here disagreeing with the psychics of the section?
Noo... far be it for anyone to simply disbelieve these powers... they must be some attention whore seeking to validate themselves. Why? Because its the only way for these young psions to validate their belief and make themselves feel like the norm.
Ill classify what you said about me in the same place everything else said to me by every other young psion here... the garbage.
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Living a lie hey? You seem to do it everyday, you are doing it right now.
Oh really? And how do you know what I live? You havent asked me any questions about it yet to be able to attribute it to your powers.
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No matter how small or trivial the factor is, you still live the lie.
"But mommy! He is real! He IS! I saw Santa! He IS real!"
Ok, if thats what you need to believe to go on with your pathetic little life, alright.
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But you just seem to assume that the responsibility is yours.
Nope. I assume the responsibility to ask for proof. THey simply fail to provide any, as you've done.
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And the fact that you reply to everything with a, "so could you," really just proves you agree with what Im saying.
No, it proves the hypocrisy of your posts.
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Quite contrary, I help as many people as I can. And amazingly, I have used my abilities to aid someone greatly.
Really? Then why dont you win that 1 million dollars thats being offered for these abilities and donate it to science or some charity?
Psibear
Dec 20 2005, 02:44 AM
I believe I have a ferarri. I guess its out on the driveway waiting for me, hmm?
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no u don't believe it you think it for a moment... its true if u believe something it happens...i've lost a butt-load of wait (literally a butt-load) just by saying and eventually believing i was losing wait without the aid of diet. It's true have u ever heard of affirmations? its a positive statement and when said enough and when truly believed by a person can alter their thoughts and abilities as a human. so mnlagh!
Flame Thrower
Dec 20 2005, 02:48 AM
Stellar, you make me laugh. I like making all those posts because it simply makes you get all annoyed. And thats fun to see.
Because see my point. I dont care what you think. The truth is, Im only wasting your time. And Im having a heck of a lot of fun doing it. All I want is for you to sit around, squandering your time by answering my useless posts. You do care what people think. Or else you wouldnt reply to me, because obviously, Im only doing this to bother you.
And why do I feel the need to do this? Because I know there's something more than what we see. It might not be human power, it might be an outside factor, but the truth is that something else exists concerning 'psychic powers'.
And me? Insecure? I find that funny. Stellar, what you say means nothing. Understand that. These people will get off their computers and not remember a word you said. Get over it. People will have their ideas.
And because you want to meet at a halfway point, then I will meet at a halfway point too.
You have your opinions, and I have mine.
Fair enough?
Regards,
FT
Psibear
Dec 20 2005, 02:52 AM
QUOTE(Flame Thrower @ Dec 19 2005, 09:11 PM) [snapback]983438[/snapback]
Apparently Im not hey? I think thats because Im a delusional 13 year old who thinks they have powers.
Quite contrary, I help as many people as I can. And amazingly, I have used my abilities to aid someone greatly.
Sincerely,
FT
I too use my empathy all the time to help people w/ their personal problems...u can ask Miss.B.Havin she knows about my abilities...i use my clairvoyance to help people too...i saw a dream of a friend forgetting her lunch and that it was because her mom forgot to pack it...when i got to school i was right and i knew i would be right so i brought an extra lunch for her...sadly no its not the cure to cancer but its a start... but i must ask stellar are ur parents divorced? Oh yeah i can heal people ask Miss.B. Havin I've healed her a few times before, so yea! go me!
Flame Thrower
Dec 20 2005, 02:55 AM
And my friend was hiding a secret, which I wouldnt mention as it was quite bad, and I knew about it and told her I knew what it was simply by prying her brain. I told her to go get some help, and she did.
And with auric vision, you can tell when someone is sick or dying. It shows up in the colours of the aura, so thats helpful.
Stellar
Dec 20 2005, 03:23 AM
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no u don't believe it you think it for a moment... its true if u believe something it happens...
Im sorry but thats not how the world works. A belief doesnt create something out of nothing. You're living in an idealistic world
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i've lost a butt-load of wait (literally a butt-load) just by saying and eventually believing i was losing wait without the aid of diet. It's true have u ever heard of affirmations? its a positive statement and when said enough and when truly believed by a person can alter their thoughts and abilities as a human. so mnlagh!
Ever consider that these positive thoughts either occured during a time when your metabolism changed, your life style changed ever so slightly, or you were eating at different times during the day? Or maybe you just reached the age where you would loose that fat.
Also, a belief affecting normal bodily functions is one thing... a belief manifesting something completely seperate is something, well, completely seperate.
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I like making all those posts because it simply makes you get all annoyed.
So you admit you're a troll?
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The truth is, Im only wasting your time.
You're wasting your time even more.
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You do care what people think.
Im glad your professional, credited opinion says so.
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Or else you wouldnt reply to me, because obviously, Im only doing this to bother you.
Maybe I reply because I simply dont like leaving things hanging?
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And me? Insecure? I find that funny.
You should. You're a funny person.
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Understand that. These people will get off their computers and not remember a word you said. Get over it. People will have their ideas.
Point being?
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And because you want to meet at a halfway point, then I will meet at a halfway point too.
You have your opinions, and I have mine.
Fair enough?
Halfway=ppl stop making claims you cant prove or that have been disproven, and I'll stop bothering people to put up or shut up.
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but i must ask stellar are ur parents divorced?
Why on Earth would you want to know such a thing?
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Oh yeah i can heal people ask Miss.B. Havin I've healed her a few times before, so yea! go me!
Healed her of what?
Wow... you must be a real Jesus. Youre so special. I wish I could be like you.

Is that what you want to hear?
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And my friend was hiding a secret, which I wouldnt mention as it was quite bad, and I knew about it and told her I knew what it was simply by prying her brain. I told her to go get some help, and she did.
Wow... you knew your friend was hiding a secret? You DO have special powers!

Gee... I know when my cat is hungry! I must have special powers too!
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And with auric vision, you can tell when someone is sick or dying. It shows up in the colours of the aura, so thats helpful.
Im sure you do. And when you're wrong, you're not actually wrong... you're just seeing someone elses aura by accident.
Fluffybunny
Dec 20 2005, 03:40 AM
OK folks; let's break it up; to your corners...the argument is over.
Please keep in mind that "trolling" for an argument is not acceptable here; if you wish to discuss a matter then by all means go for it, but if your goal is to troll for a fight, then do it elsewhere but not here.
Flame Thrower
Dec 20 2005, 03:47 AM
"Wow... you knew your friend was hiding a secret? You DO have special powers!
Gee... I know when my cat is hungry! I must have special powers too!
Im sure you do. And when you're wrong, you're not actually wrong... you're just seeing someone elses aura by accident."
When I said hiding a secret, I meant that. Does your cat hide its hunger from you? No, thats easy to distinguish, its body language, but some things people dont tell others. It wasnt as light hearted as simply being hungry.
And aura's do exist. Take Kirillian photography, which prove that aura's exist.
PsiBear, how did you do the healing? What steps did you take?
Kind Regards,
FT
Psibear
Dec 20 2005, 04:26 AM
PsiBear, how did you do the healing? What steps did you take?
Kind Regards,
FT
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well i like to imagine a divine light from above pouring down into my body. i take a moment to let my body absorb this energy and to heal myself for a moment. Then when i feel i've accumulated enough energy i hold the person's hand and imagine the energy (still pouring into me) going into the other person and healing them at the affected location...oh and just for stellar i healed Miss.B.Havin of her headaches and cramps . anyway you have to keep the energy flowing and you and the healee must be relaxed(try taking in even breaths for counts of five i.e. in for 5 seconds out for five seconds, or progressive relaxation um say to urself my feet are relaxed my legs are relaxed etc)...and try to notice if you feel a tingle in your hand and if ur healee feals a tingle make sure they know to tell u but not so much that u lose concentration...i.e. i was healing my friend Laura's hand because she had jammed her finger really bad and it hurt her really bad, anyway I'm healing her and she starts screaming "WHOAH THAT TINGLES HAHA IT TICKLES!" i lost concentration and had to start over. Oh yeah the color doesn't need to be anything in particular just not black or gray or brown...also if u know the person's element try a color that corresponds to their element and even try to draw energy from their element... water=blue earth=green imagine it coming up through your feet... air=white/yellow fire=red/orange imagine these coming from the air around you...oh yeah always make sure the colors are deep and vibrant! um lets see
Earth=taurus,virgo,capricorn/Water=scorpio, pisces,cancer/Air=Aquarius,Libra, Gemini/Fire=Aries,Leo,Sagittarius...if they don't know their sign just go with their favorite color, it will normally correspond to they're element or an element they feel close with.
Psibear
Dec 20 2005, 04:34 AM
[quote name='Stellar' date='Dec 19 2005, 10:23 PM' post='983504']
Im sorry but thats not how the world works. A belief doesnt create something out of nothing. You're living in an idealistic world
The mere thought of a girl can make a guy feel "happy" in his well clothin article that isn't a shirt and isn't socks but may rhyme with one of the former mentioned articles of clothing wink wink
even if there isnt a girl around
Ever consider that these positive thoughts either occured during a time when your metabolism changed, your life style changed ever so slightly, or you were eating at different times during the day? Or maybe you just reached the age where you would loose that fat.
Also, a belief affecting normal bodily functions is one thing... a belief manifesting something completely seperate is something, well, completely seperate.
not a belief a truth if u don't know that something is a lie is it a lie? no its not atleast not in ur head...so if u take a lie and convince urself its true doesn't that make it true to urself? yes it does thats why fat ppl wear too tight clothes b/c they tell themselves they look good and believe it even though they don't. And that loss of weight yeah there may have been a slight change but how can eating increasingly larger portions of junk food help you lose weight?
Why on Earth would you want to know such a thing?IDK had a dream about an older teenager whose parents were divorced thought it was you.
Healed her of what? of headaches, cramps, even got rid of her fear of talking in front of our class.
Paulclitheroe7285
Dec 20 2005, 09:06 PM
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A belief doesnt create something out of nothing.
im afraid i must disagree with this tiny statement even though i may have caught the wrong context of it, it is my understanding that if u wish to achieve sum sort of pyshic "power" (for lack of a better word) then you first have to believe it will happen, like on matilda where she is literally telling sumthing to move. and now for me to add something constructive to this convo, it seems that most of the teenagers that cliam to have abilities on here, if not all of them (im actually a teenager, just to let u know) cannot control their ability, now forgive me for saying this, but it seems a lil cliché, heres a scenario:
hi my name is jo bloggs (go creativity) i have telekinesis, but unfortunately i have been unable to control it, this is a slight problem because its always scaring my friends and family.... and so forth
i say this because in most forums where i just read this is always what i see, so if it were true (and im not saying that ppl dont have these abilites) then the world would be overthrown by teenagers accidently throwing cars around with tk and accidently setting things on fire or making it rain (i do admit that this is slightly exaggerated, but it needs to be brought up)
also if ur name happens to be jo bloggs then i am sorry for mentioning ur name, it is just a coincidence lol
Psibear
Dec 20 2005, 09:45 PM
Okay...first that wasn't what i said Stellar said that.
anyway, i am a teenager w/ some abilities but i have control of mine (or atleast empathy and auric sight). Clairvoyance though i can't control...though i can ask for a dream of the future but it might not be of what i want it to be of. Are you even psychic? Anyway not everyone has TK and if they do they probably can't throw cars...maybe pencils or shoes, and no not all teens tap into their abilities so only a small minority of teens would exhibit any abilities and then even less would be those w/ TK. And just because they don't have control doesn't mean it rampages in a wild spastic manner it just means it happens in small spurts that come and go...like when we go through puberty we xcan't control our growth spurts they just come and go and we can't really control it (w/out the aid of medication) okay bye!
Megalomania
Dec 21 2005, 05:42 AM
QUOTE(Paulclitheroe7285 @ Dec 21 2005, 08:06 AM) [snapback]984559[/snapback]
hi my name is jo bloggs (go creativity) i have telekinesis, but unfortunately i have been unable to control it, this is a slight problem because its always scaring my friends and family.... and so forth
Good, you seem to feel that you're adept with your ability, what objects can you move?
Flame Thrower
Dec 21 2005, 10:17 AM
I think TK is a very rare occurence, I mean, Ive read cases about it but it seems one of the rarest forms in anyone for that matter. It would take an enormous amount of energy, if it were real.
Paulclitheroe7285
Dec 21 2005, 11:14 AM
* hopes replacement100 is actually kidding * lol
Megalomania
Dec 21 2005, 11:18 AM
QUOTE(Paulclitheroe7285 @ Dec 21 2005, 10:14 PM) [snapback]985713[/snapback]
* hopes replacement100 is actually kidding * lol
Depends, were you joking?
Senkoujin
Dec 21 2005, 11:20 AM
Honestly, I've read all 26 pages of this topic.
Stellar, you had me laughing all the way through!
I very much admire your persistence in proving one GODDAMN point: PROVE IT!!
I also admire you for being the person who you are. ^^
I have certain beliefs and abilities; however, if I don't have enough PROOF, it would simply do no good telling others.
This is why I strive to enhance my abilities to the extent as to where I CAN deliver enough PROOF to ward off most skeptics. HARDCORE PSI = Skeptic Slayer
...but until then, don't bother making an ass out of yourself here; do it elsewhere where any (and all) forms of psi abilities are easily accepted.
I will continue to follow this.
I have a digital camera that takes pics and short video clips, so I have that for if/when the time comes for my presentations.
Need help with your psi abilities? Try finding out the hard way by trying new things constantly and learning more and more...like that guy who finally "walked on water" after like 60+ years of meditation...(Buddah reference).
I am both skeptic and a believer to certain degrees...however, I'm more of a believer.
Paulclitheroe7285
Dec 21 2005, 11:23 AM
yes lol
Psibear
Dec 21 2005, 02:00 PM
Anyway yeah... i know what u mean... i have abilities and i'm trying to improve them so one day i can finally SHOW THE WORLD!!! i don't try to learn new stuff everyday so much as i try to strengthen my already existing abilities.
Miss.B.Havin
Dec 21 2005, 04:04 PM
First of all, yes, Psibear and I do know eachother, he HAS healed me (I'm plagued with migranes, and The Curse of EVE(women will understand this better than men))
Second, I do believe that since we each have our own ideas of what is real and what is not, then this conversation is completely POINTLESS! I do believe that we each have a little bit of skeptism and belief or else we wouldn't be here. But, as the case may be, let's just agree to disagree and move on. I think we've wasted enough of our lives as it is.
Stellar, I wasn't trying to annoy you by any of this, but what I ofter do (to a fault) is show people the other side of everything. If someone mentions Science, I mention religion, and vice versa. So I apologize if I aggrivated you at all.
I am a believer as well as a skeptic, which is why I myself is here. If I look for answers or join in arguments I understand a little better of what is going on because I can see easily both sides to it. But since I have experienced first hand what those powers cand o, I'm a believer (burts into song......or not) But really, I do understand that it could have very well been a psychological thing and not a Psychic phenomena, and that it was all in my head. But whatever floats your boat.....
Best wishes to all,
Miss.B.Havin
Psibear
Dec 21 2005, 04:43 PM
TO ALL THE SKEPTICS:
As psychics we will be proven soon enough...well not until february so be patient and wait. Anyway we have all been joking none of this is real right random other psychics? (wink wink) aren't we all fakes? isnt this all in our head?(wink wink) okay skeptics this is all a hoax u can leave now well over and out!
bye
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Dec 21 2005, 06:47 PM
QUOTE(Psibear @ Dec 21 2005, 10:43 AM) [snapback]986022[/snapback]
TO ALL THE SKEPTICS:
As psychics we will be proven soon enough...well not until february so be patient and wait. Anyway we have all been joking none of this is real right random other psychics? (wink wink) aren't we all fakes? isnt this all in our head?(wink wink) okay skeptics this is all a hoax u can leave now well over and out!
bye
You are just silly.
Psibear
Dec 23 2005, 12:01 AM
to all psychics...learn to spell psychic it is spelled P...S...Y...C...H...I...C did all the psychics (and even nonpsychics) get that? good
not that anyone has spelled psychic wrong i just hate it when people say they are psychic and then say "im phycic" "im sikic" "im psicic" "im psycic" i mean if ur psychic take some pride and learn to spell it right...just saying after a while it gets annoying to read so spread the word on how to spell psychic. thanx everyone! oh yeah psychics start trying to strengthen your abilities it sounds weird but we will need them in the near future. I know almost everyones abilities have started to ebb away ( i know mine have) but try...i have been able to sort of reactivate my empathy...just concentrate, the best advice i can give is well move your energy. Move your body, imagine energy rushing through your veins...this may sound weird but i find aly and aj's "rush" to help a lot with this. By moving our energy we strengthen our abilities on a physical level. Try and make it feel like ur invincible like u exist out of time and space. just trust me and try we will eventually need these abilities! Imagine you have wings imagine you hold the moon on ur shoulders anything just keep ur minds working and keep the energy moving! Did everyone get that?okay...ready? set. GO!
Psibear
Dec 23 2005, 02:37 AM
Miss.B.Havin! did u eat something um saucy for dinner 12-12-05? that is today(thursday) maybe barbecued chicken or spaghetti. IDK just a notion...oh well bye
Psibear
Dec 23 2005, 02:42 AM
[quote name='Senkoujin' date='Dec 21 2005, 06:20 AM' post='985719']
[/I am both skeptic and a believer to certain degrees...however, I'm more of a believer.]
But dont u have to be both to truly be a psychic? i mean if u consider every little coincedence a psychic experience than everybody would think they were super psychics. But you must also recognize when ur powers are really at work. like I've said before how many times can a coincedence happen before its no longer considered a coincedence. but yeah you know a major part of psychic development is to question everything...
Flame Thrower
Dec 23 2005, 03:02 AM
See, I dont know, I feel like the abilities are getting stronger in some and fading in some people. Some people are getting them spontaneously around me, but I can feel that people are feeling them ebb away, like PsiBear said.
Ive been using presence a lot lately. My friend says that she can feel my presence whenever she comes into a place where Im around. Im trying to expand that, like taking all that energy and just making it circle out from you, so it gets larger.
I did some healing yesterday, I imagined a spiral where the pain was. The spiral of energy would take every bit of pain and suck it into the spiral and turn it into healing. Just a bit of imagery there, I think it works with healing others and self healing.
Just some thoughts.
Kind regards,
FT
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