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Psibear
I dont know b/c my abilities haven't all ebbed..here we go i'll explain it
1. clairvoyance,empathy,auric sight, healing(i thought were my only abilities)
2. for about a week all of these go away except auric sight i have no other abilities.
3. after that week i saw spirits and had telepathy(only recieving) along w. auric sight
4. mediumship and telepathy seem to ebb and clairvoyance comes back
5. this happened in november and happened like this in a regular 2 week schedule to current times
6. just recently my empathy returned.
so yeah i seem to be ebbing in and out on certain abilities at different times...though now everything except telepathy is back. so YEA!
Psibear
and its good that u have ur own method for healing...psychic awareness is a personal journey and its always important to do as you want...unless ur trying to combine abilities than u need to have the same technique
Flame Thrower
Auric sight is my only reliable ability. Its the only thing that stays constantly. Dont know why. And I dont know what its called, but just being able to make my presence stronger, making people feel it, almost sending my ideas and thoughts to them, that seems to stay too.

Regards,
FT
Psibear
okay see i understand what ur saying now...see when people can almost feel ur emotions its a little different especially if they arent empaths. U r just "charging" your aura... u know putting more energy into it. Making it stronger or larger so that even people who havent awakened their abilities can sense u...but i suggest trying to make ur presence less known. keep ur aura strong (it protects you psychically) but try to pull it in close around you (if ur clairvoyant try to imagine it in ur head if ur clairaudent make a sound of it shrinking if ur clairsentient then either just know its shrinking (like an affirmation) or say over and over that it is shrinking but still strong (you can also use that for clairaudience). also if ur clairvoyant make sure its condenses and doesnt float away...
Psibear
okay idk if any of u watched larry king live tonight (12-28-05) but there was a psychic vs. skeptic debate. On the air one of the 3 psychics communicated a mans great aunts message to him. She asked questions yes but all of which were right...except the first one(though it was actually right the readee just didnt understand, i know that b/c she reworded the question again later and he said she was right). And yes the stargate government thingy(srry its late and im tired) was shut down but thats b/c the members didnt want to be a part of it and b/c their abilities began to ebb. though in the beginning the stargate sytstem worked so HA! anyway im going to bed.
Psibear
prove it isnt a point...its a statement. but anyway i have some "notions" about u but w/e. dont ask me about the notions...i wont tell u.
Psibear
okay im really bored and am responding to the same post twice b/c i can. and i have been thinking (dont laugh im serious) and have a few things im going to say (hey you dont roll ur eyes at me, and u over there orange...yeah not ur color)
1.Stellar you tell us that we must prove it b/c we are making (ridiculous) claims. but ur making a (ridiculous) claim too. You say our abilities aren't real. thats a claim...so prove we dont exist...u made the point so it is up to u to prove it...it may have sprung from our claim but dont all things come from something else. And no dont tell us about how no one went to win $1 million dollars(b/c he might kill ppl w/ abiltiies or worse call it a coincedence), or how no one can show these abilties...you know europeans didnt believe africans when they told them about gorillas but even though the africans couldnt prove the gorilla it still wound up being real. so give me some details...demonstrate to us how we are not real.
2. stop right now and look up "Dr. Masuro Emoto" and his findings of how thought can change water crystals (through the power of thought). Be sure to look at pictures of the water crystals and what message was sent to them.
3. Stargate (US remote viewing thingy) was shut down but just because people say that it was b/c of lack of results doesnt mean it was i mean u say we just claim we have these abilities but how can anyone be sure same thing applies here...just b/c they say it was b/c of lack of results doesnt mean thats really why it was shut down.
4. No the blah blah blah for missing and exploi blah and the other blah thing you said may have not say they use psychics and they might not but local police departments do use psychics (sometimes when a psychic is available and willing and has an ability that will help with the cause). look up the show "psychic detectives"
5. A global (maybe even universal) paradigm shift is coming and when it blows ur mind...im going to laugh so loud...or if it doesnt i wont laugh quite as loud but ill probably still laugh b/c i like to laugh. i just laughed...
6. that Dr.Emoto thing must have shown you thought does change things on a physical level...and the reason you dont get ur ferrari is b/c all thoughts are not istantaneously gratified. think about every time you get mad and wish something bad to happen to someone...what if these thoughts always happened right away? the world would be dead so ha.
7. Im done...psychics exist get over it...lol but seriously we do.
8.Bye everyone
P.S. try to be quicker to type back please...
Psibear
okay i dont like #3 anymore so dont respond to that b/c well its all like "BLAH"
Psibear
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6. that Dr.Emoto thing must have shown you thought does change things on a physical level...and the reason you dont get ur ferrari is b/c all thoughts are not istantaneously gratified. think about every time you get mad and wish something bad to happen to someone...what if these thoughts always happened right away? the world would be dead so ha.


okay this means there must be some being or thing or mnlagh filtering these and gratifying the ones it finds are truly needed or wont cause harm or something
Stellar
Alright, I havent had much time to continue in this topic due to the amount of lengthy (and quite repetitive) posts here, and I was about to go to sleep, but Psibear wanted me to post so I'll stay up a bit longer to go through this.

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When I said hiding a secret, I meant that. Does your cat hide its hunger from you?


Im sorry? Im not a psychic, he doesnt go out and announce he's hungry...

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No, thats easy to distinguish, its body language, but some things people dont tell others.


Exactly! Its body language! My cat doesnt tell me he's hungry, but in the short time I've had him, I learnt what he acts like when he is hungry... do you see what I'm getting at?

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And aura's do exist. Take Kirillian photography, which prove that aura's exist.


Depends on what your definition of aura is. Theres no paranormal thing about the "aura" revealed in that photography.

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oh and just for stellar i healed Miss.B.Havin of her headaches and cramps .


Oh really? How do you know you healed her? What were the circumstances and such?

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i.e. i was healing my friend Laura's hand because she had jammed her finger really bad and it hurt her really bad


Let me guess... you held on to her finger, and the pain seemed to have gone away, correct?

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The mere thought of a girl can make a guy feel "happy" in his well clothin article that isn't a shirt and isn't socks but may rhyme with one of the former mentioned articles of clothing wink wink
even if there isnt a girl around


It sure can. That is far from making the girl appear infront of him, or creating any sort of object.

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not a belief a truth if u don't know that something is a lie is it a lie? no its


If its a lie, no matter how much you dont know or dont believe it is, it is.

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so if u take a lie and convince urself its true doesn't that make it true to urself?


No, it makes you believe its true.

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yes it does thats why fat ppl wear too tight clothes b/c they tell themselves they look good and believe it even though they don't.


Yep... but their belief that they look good doesnt actually make them look good.

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And that loss of weight yeah there may have been a slight change but how can eating increasingly larger portions of junk food help you lose weight?


A change in metabolism can negate the effects of those larger portions. Eating snacks more throughout the day rather than 3 large meals a day also helps to keep your metabolism going throughout the day, helping you stay slim.
Stellar

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IDK had a dream about an older teenager whose parents were divorced thought it was you.


Why did you think it was me?


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of headaches, cramps,


As I said above, describe the circumstances.

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even got rid of her fear of talking in front of our class.


Well, in that case, you must have special abilities rolleyes.gif

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it is my understanding that if u wish to achieve sum sort of pyshic "power" (for lack of a better word) then you first have to believe it will happen, like on matilda where she is literally telling sumthing to move.


Supposedly only...

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Depends, were you joking?


Man... you need sleep...

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This is why I strive to enhance my abilities to the extent as to where I CAN deliver enough PROOF to ward off most skeptics.


Good for you. Good luck with that. I'd love to see a change in things... from "I CAN LIFT A HOUSE, I'VE DONE IT MANY TIMES BUT I CANT DO IT INFRONT OF PEOPLE" to "Here's the proof"

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On the air one of the 3 psychics communicated a mans great aunts message to him. She asked questions yes but all of which were right...except the first one(though it was actually right the readee just didnt understand, i know that b/c she reworded the question again later and he said she was right).


Congradulations! You've witnessed what's known as cold reading. Its common among these things, and the fact that she reworded her question to be right later on emphasises that its nothing more than cold reading.

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And yes the stargate government thingy(srry its late and im tired) was shut down but thats b/c the members didnt want to be a part of it and b/c their abilities began to ebb. though in the beginning the stargate sytstem worked so HA! anyway im going to bed.


Umm, no... the stargate program was shut down not because their abilities began to ebb, but because they apparently never had abilities TO ebb. there was a lack of accurate and useful results.

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but anyway i have some "notions" about u but w/e. dont ask me about the notions...i wont tell u.


Ok... so why are you even saying you have notions?

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1.Stellar you tell us that we must prove it b/c we are making (ridiculous) claims. but ur making a (ridiculous) claim too. You say our abilities aren't real. thats a claim...


1. I wouldnt qualify this as ridiculous, but ok.
2. In reality, I dont claim that the abilities dont exist, I consider its a possibility. I just dont claim it as a probability. Whenever rarely in the past I have said the abilities dont exist, I was speaking either in absolutes as a response to people speaking in absolutes like I will a few quotes down, or tongue in cheek and somewhere else in the post elaborated. It is improbable that these powers exist/anyone has these powers because of the numerous amount of claims over many years, all of which have never been proven, most of which are accredited to "imagination"/"wishful thinking" by the claimee years later, or can clearly be marked down as something else entirely.



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so prove we dont exist...u made the point so it is up to u to prove it...


I never said you dont exist... but I'll tell you what... I'll do my best to prove that YOU dont exist right after you prove your abilities...

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And no dont tell us about how no one went to win $1 million dollars(b/c he might kill ppl w/ abiltiies or worse call it a coincedence),


Yes... obviously he is out to kill all psychic people while being watched by millions rolleyes.gif

Or worse! He might call it a coincidence! ohmy.gif

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James Randi is not some average joe no one's ever heard of, he's quite a famous person, and his offer is there and available to anyone who can prove that psichic abilities exist. If it can be qualified as a coincidence (You know... like throwing a coin 10 times and 5 times it lands on head like you said you were using your abilities to do) then you havent proven it. If you manage to move a table with your mind, or read someone elses thoughts... That can not really be taken as coincidence, can it?

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or how no one can show these abilties...you know europeans didnt believe africans when they told them about gorillas but even though the africans couldnt prove the gorilla it still wound up being real.


Sure, but gorillas werent proven to the europeans, were they? So, I guess since europeans didnt believe in gorillas when they infact existed, psychic powers MUST also exist? rolleyes.gif

Theres also a difference between proving a gorilla that lives in a far away place in the middle of a jungle, and proving these abilities which so many teenagers supposedly have available to show anyone with minimal effort...

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2. stop right now and look up "Dr. Masuro Emoto" and his findings of how thought can change water crystals (through the power of thought). Be sure to look at pictures of the water crystals and what message was sent to them.


Huh? Where? You do know that the links at the top are smart advertisements which change pretty much each time you go to the thread, correct?

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3. Stargate (US remote viewing thingy) was shut down but just because people say that it was b/c of lack of results doesnt mean it was i mean u say we just claim we have these abilities but how can anyone be sure same thing applies here...just b/c they say it was b/c of lack of results doesnt mean thats really why it was shut down.


The CIA, which used the program for results, says it wasnt useful and thus quit funding the project. If you're advocating some kind of cover up, then you can not in turn advocate that the program is proof of RVing.

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4. No the blah blah blah for missing and exploi blah and the other blah thing you said may have not say they use psychics and they might not


Huh?

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but local police departments do use psychics (sometimes when a psychic is available and willing and has an ability that will help with the cause). look up the show "psychic detectives"


Some do. Damn, where's aquatus when I need him... I know of the perfect response to this, I've just got to contact someone to get it from him...

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5. A global (maybe even universal) paradigm shift is coming and when it blows ur mind...


How do you know? You have a "feeling"?

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im going to laugh so loud...or if it doesnt i wont laugh quite as loud but ill probably still laugh b/c i like to laugh. i just laughed...


I'll be waiting. When is this shift supposed to happen?

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6. that Dr.Emoto thing must have shown you thought does change things on a physical level...and the reason you dont get ur ferrari is b/c all thoughts are not istantaneously gratified. think about every time you get mad and wish something bad to happen to someone...what if these thoughts always happened right away? the world would be dead so ha.


I still dont know what Dr. Emoto thing you're talking about... but no matter how much something changes, it doesnt create something out of nothing. Sure, I could be thinking of buying a ferarri and then deciding ON buying a ferrari, but theres nothing odd or unnatural about that. I made the conscious decision to get one. Me thinking of a ferarri appearing right infront of my eyes, however, doesnt make a ferarri appear right infront of me.



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7. Im done...psychics exist get over it...lol but seriously we do.


psychics dont exist get over it....lol but seriously, they dont.

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okay this means there must be some being or thing or mnlagh filtering these and gratifying the ones it finds are truly needed or wont cause harm or something


Or it means that, because ferraris exist, because many people want ferraris, and because some of those people have the means or will have the means to get ferraris, they will use those means to get ferraris.
Stellar
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P.S. try to be quicker to type back please...


P.S. try to be quicker to type back please...

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Psibear
http://www.hado.net/index2.html
Stellar
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Holy sh**, that guy needs an editor. What are these vibrations he's talking about?

And wtf does "We talk about the microscopic world and trace mount of corruption towards objective should be taken taken seriously."

Now... I'm having trouble seeing any evidence of his claims... What I managed to see quite early is the "Products" section which is selling water for 35$
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Wow, $35 for a bottle of water. And to think, I was wasting my time using tap water!

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Psibear
thoughts do have power. have you ever heard of the placebo effect? when a patient recieves "medicine"(really sugar pills or starch pills) or "surgery" (its all a bunch of bloody bacon and a few minor cuts and stuff) the patient seems to heal without the aid of real medical help even though they didnt have an immunity or otherwise healed in an incredibly short amount of time. Thats b/c they THINK they are recieving treatment even though they arent. It may be psychological but what isnt? even the act of breathing has to be registered through the brain. b/c their THOUGHTS(consciousness a.k.a. brain) tell them they are being treated and consequently the thoughts energy heals them. no its not a miraculous show of lights or not instantaneous (but what type of healing is? well i guess faith healing is supposedly instantaneous but i think those people are frauds) but it still works even though the person had no hope of surmounting the disease( one boy even healed himself by imagining he was an airplane in his blood system dropping bombs of some kind of vitamin on his disease...though thats not the placebo effect). their thoughts change the physical world...no they dont manifest ferraris, or do any other things like that but they do have power. have you ever seen, heard of, or read the book "What the bleep do we know?" (thats its real title...im not trying to censor myself) it talks all about this kind of stuff and quantum stuff and blah blah blah stuff and its really cool. it never really says psychics exist or anything like that it shows you two sides of the same thing and lets you choose what u believe. I really suggest you look into getting it or watching it or go to the website (whatthebleep.com and http://whatthebleep.com/reality/bleepbook.shtml) well okay bye!
Stellar
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thoughts do have power.


They sure do have power. Im quite sure, however that they dont have the power to create something out of nothing.

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Thats b/c they THINK they are recieving treatment even though they arent. It may be psychological but what isnt?


Making material objects appear because you think of having them. And thats also what the whole subject is about.

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b/c their THOUGHTS(consciousness a.k.a. brain) tell them they are being treated and consequently the thoughts energy heals them.


Their thought energy? You've got to be sh**ting me.

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their thoughts change the physical world...


No, their thoughts modified the way their bodies were working. They have control over their bodies. Thoughts dont modify that which we dont have control of, however.

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no they dont manifest ferraris, or do any other things like that but they do have power. have you ever seen, heard of, or read the book "What the bleep do we know?" (thats its real title...im not trying to censor myself) it talks all about this kind of stuff and quantum stuff and blah blah blah stuff and its really cool. it never really says psychics exist or anything like that it shows you two sides of the same thing and lets you choose what u believe. I really suggest you look into getting it or watching it or go to the website (whatthebleep.com and http://whatthebleep.com/reality/bleepbook.shtml) well okay bye!


It appears you really understood the movie. Especially the part with that quantum "stuff"...
little tiger
umm Hi people.. I just need to ask you a quick little something..

Ok..I have a friend from my school (High school, I am 14 if you want to know) and he is my online friend too. we talk alot and stuff.. and just yesterday he tolded my friend that he could move fire and make fire when he was really mad.. I feel so lost o-o; If anyone could help me.. that would be really great..

I do not quite understand the actual possibility of this being able to happen and am quite curious to learn more about it. How is this accomplished by someone? He had told my friend that he is Wiccan therefore has he done some sort of witchcraft or something to receive this strange ability?
Stellar
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I do not quite understand the actual possibility of this being able to happen and am quite curious to learn more about it. How is this accomplished by someone? He had told my friend that he is Wiccan therefore has he done some sort of witchcraft or something to receive this strange ability?


Before you do anything else, ask him to show you this ability plz.
Psibear
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umm Hi people.. I just need to ask you a quick little something..

Ok..I have a friend from my school (High school, I am 14 if you want to know) and he is my online friend too. we talk alot and stuff.. and just yesterday he tolded my friend that he could move fire and make fire when he was really mad.. I feel so lost o-o; If anyone could help me.. that would be really great..

I do not quite understand the actual possibility of this being able to happen and am quite curious to learn more about it. How is this accomplished by someone? He had told my friend that he is Wiccan therefore has he done some sort of witchcraft or something to receive this strange ability?

i agree with stellar ask him to show you his abiltiy. be prepared to make him mad though...or better yet make him mad and force him to show you. If he is wiccan this may improve his innate psychic abilties...though he will think it is magic. it is really simple though to manipulate fire...its one of the first psychic exersizes most ppl learn...though he can probably do some hard-core manipulation which takes a bit more skill the only way to understand is to go to the source ask him how it works...i can give you my opinion but what does it matter i might explain it wrong.
Psibear
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No, their thoughts modified the way their bodies were working. They have control over their bodies. Thoughts dont modify that which we dont have control of, however.
It appears you really understood the movie. Especially the part with that quantum "stuff"...

okay i'll give you thought energy...but it does affect the physical body meaning it does react on the physical plane...thoughts are not solid yet they have the POWER to change physical reality...or atleast the human body. the point is the person doesnt know all the processes which go into curing themselves yet somehow these thoughts do...maybe they are linked to a higher source of all information? the thoughts change PHYSICAL REALITY meaning they must hold some power...so no thoughts dont create something out of nothing, but they can affect physical matter. they can effect water crystals...as u should have seen on Dr. Masuro Emoto (http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/) experiments. and yes i did understand the quantum physics part of the movie which is why i bought the book so i could always have the information...
Stellar
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but it does affect the physical body meaning it does react on the physical plane...


Thats because of what thought is... No matter how much thought can affect something under your control, it will not change something thats not under your control. Me typing here is a concious thought... thats a far cry from me thinking of getting a ferrari and one magically appearing infront of me. I have to procure one myself, and I dont have the means to do so (legally).

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thoughts are not solid yet they have the POWER to change physical reality...or atleast the human body.


No, thoughts dont have the "power" to change physical reality. Reality stays the same. Bodily functions are changed because bodily functions are under our control.

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the point is the person doesnt know all the processes which go into curing themselves yet somehow these thoughts do...maybe they are linked to a higher source of all information? the thoughts change PHYSICAL REALITY meaning they must hold some power...so no thoughts dont create something out of nothing, but they can affect physical matter.


Thats because, when it comes down to it, thoughts are chemical reactions themselves which in turn cause other reactions. I think you've forgotten what the discussion was all about, let me remind you:

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I believe I have a ferarri. I guess its out on the driveway waiting for me, hmm?

no u don't believe it you think it for a moment... its true if u believe something it happens...


Changing tunes now?

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they can effect water crystals...as u should have seen on Dr. Masuro Emoto (http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/) experiments.


I dont see any evidence that thats the case.

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and yes i did understand the quantum physics part of the movie which is why i bought the book so i could always have the information...


And what was it you understood?
Psibear
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Changing tunes now?
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big wow im off subject...it doesnt matter b/c thoughts still can affect physical stuff such as water crystals. so no it does not create farraris out of nothing (okay u win on that point)((though i don't really think i ever thought that they did...but i probably typed it somewhere so w/e)) but it does affect physical stuff other than our bodies i.e. water crystals. You know you just told me that we are nothing more than biological drones. you're saying that there is no true thought and no mind and since mind and spirit are the same thing(they are) you're saying that we have no souls and that we are nothing more than water bags that make chemical reactions and as a consequent of that we have sudden spurts of "intelligence". but whatever floats ur boat. and no u never actually said that but u did say that thoughts were just chemical reactions which also leads me to ask are emotions real. can people truly feel love and compassion or are these just side effects of chemical reactions in our brains?
Stellar
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it doesnt matter b/c thoughts still can affect physical stuff such as water crystals.
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but it does affect physical stuff other than our bodies i.e. water crystals.


*sigh* Oh really? Besides physically using equipment to change the water crystals, how does it do so?

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You know you just told me that we are nothing more than biological drones.


And what if I did?

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you're saying that there is no true thought


Depends on what you define as "true thought" I guess...

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and no mind and since mind and spirit are the same thing(they are)


Maybe according to you...

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you're saying that we have no souls


So what? Theres no more evidence of souls than there is of psi.

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and that we are nothing more than water bags that make chemical reactions and as a consequent of that we have sudden spurts of "intelligence".


If you want to put it that way, sure.

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and no u never actually said that but u did say that thoughts were just chemical reactions which also leads me to ask are emotions real. can people truly feel love and compassion or are these just side effects of chemical reactions in our brains?


You need to understand this: Everything is based on synapses. Do you know how synapses work?
Psibear
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*sigh* Oh really? Besides physically using equipment to change the water crystals, how does it do so?

You need to understand this: Everything is based on synapses. Do you know how synapses work?

okay first of all they didnt use any physical systems to change the water crystals...yes they froze it but do you notice how the water samples with nice messages wind up pretty and the ones with negative thoughts are disformed. there was nothig physical except the freezing of the water...and since it was the same water sample (or from the same source) all the crystals should have been the same, but they werent.

Yes i do understand synapses. it deals with electric impulses and hormones in the blood and blah blah blah. have u ever tried to learn psychic abilities? i mean i used to be a sceptic until i stumbled into the new age section and felt a sudden pull to a book called "psychic powers for teens"i bought the book and i wound up being a pretty good psychic( though u dont believe i am psychic) all im saying is why wait for us to prove ourselves when you can see for yourself if we are real...i mean everyone has the potential to be psychic. then again you would probably call it a waste of time...but w/e ur loss. but tell me how do u expect us to prove our abilities? i mean yeah we can do that $1 million thingy but how do u explain that to ur parents? "hey mom i want to go prove my super cool ability to know peoples emotions to this super cool rich guy...lets go!" i know we can do stuff over the forum but my active abilities (the ones i can readily call upon) require direct contact as in sitting directly across from someone or linked directly through a computer as in through an istant messaging system at the exact same time talking to them one on one. I mean empathy when i say this...so if u have a friend with AOL or AIM have them come to me (HeyBBear) (w/ an emotional problem that they will be willing to share) and i can do an empathetic reading for them...thats the best I can do for you until my other abilities expand. And the reason i thought u were the kid w/ divorced parents was b/c i fell asleep frustrated b/c i couldnt prove my abilties to u (even though i have them)(( u will type back or think "or so you say")) and thought the dream was about u...but maybe not.
Psibear
oh yeah if u do choose to try and develop ur psychic abilties i will be glad to help you...
Stellar
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okay first of all they didnt use any physical systems to change the water crystals...yes they froze it but do you notice how the water samples with nice messages wind up pretty and the ones with negative thoughts are disformed. there was nothig physical except the freezing of the water...and since it was the same water sample (or from the same source) all the crystals should have been the same, but they werent.


He says he didnt maybe. The guy is trying to sell his product. I dont trust him anymore than I trust "Dr." Chiu. Theres no corroborating evidence that supports any of this "words affect water crystals". And just because water comes from the same source does not mean that all the crystals would be the same.

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have u ever tried to learn psychic abilities? i mean i used to be a sceptic until i stumbled into the new age section and felt a sudden pull to a book called "psychic powers for teens"i bought the book and i wound up being a pretty good psychic( though u dont believe i am psychic) all im saying is why wait for us to prove ourselves when you can see for yourself if we are real...i mean everyone has the potential to be psychic. then again you would probably call it a waste of time...but w/e ur loss.


And if I told you that I did and nothing happened, what would you say?


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but tell me how do u expect us to prove our abilities? i mean yeah we can do that $1 million thingy but how do u explain that to ur parents?


Gee, showing them that you have some of these powers would be explanation enough, dont you think?

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"hey mom i want to go prove my super cool ability to know peoples emotions to this super cool rich guy...lets go!" i know we can do stuff over the forum but my active abilities (the ones i can readily call upon) require direct contact as in sitting directly across from someone or linked directly through a computer as in through an istant messaging system at the exact same time talking to them one on one. I mean empathy when i say this...so if u have a friend with AOL or AIM have them come to me (HeyBBear) (w/ an emotional problem that they will be willing to share) and i can do an empathetic reading for them...thats the best I can do for you until my other abilities expand. And the reason i thought u were the kid w/ divorced parents was b/c i fell asleep frustrated b/c i couldnt prove my abilties to u (even though i have them)(( u will type back or think "or so you say")) and thought the dream was about u...but maybe not.


So you admit that all this empathy is simply guesswork?
Miss.B.Havin
I know I said I was done, but Psibear mentioned something about this topic so I came back to see it. Stellar, if you had been paying attention whatsoever you would see that I had already stated how Psibear had cured me in a previous post. He and I know each other. I had a very bad migraine on the bus and I asked him if he could dull it. Due to the fact that I have natural defenses in my mind, he didn't cure it completely, but the pain did ebb. Greatly. And as previously stated, how many coincedences do we have to have before it is no longer a coincedence?

Stellar, I no longer believe in you. You do not exist. It's just a strange coincedence that you happen to be typing these posts and that you happen to reply to what other people say. But you're not real. You're just a figment of your own imagination....
For all the good you're doing coming in here and telling us that who we believe we are isn't true, that we are not, for lack of a better term, psychic, then you may as well be telling us that we ourselves do not exist. I'm not trying to say that just because you believe something that it's true, I'm just saying that you have no evidence for nor against the existence of psychic phenomena. Did you know that Lincoln had a "premonition" of his death? But we cannot prove that. We can only trust in primary and secondary sources for that information. You keep telling us to prove our existence. Prove you exist. No, you cannot say that typing a reply to this is proof, because if I don't want to believe you are an actual person, I won't. I will never meet you, so there is no proof there, you could try to send a picture of you, but then how do I know it's really you unless I, and I emphasize this point, but unless I TRUST your word. Truely the only faith we ever have is blind. It's built on what we have to trust to be true. So if I don't trust the fact that you exist, then I'm not going to believe you to be a material form. Have you ever hoped for something? Ther is faith in that hope, and trust in that faith. So in order for you to hope for something, you have to trust the possibilty of it. Is it a fact that psychic phenomena has occured? No, but is it possible? It in't a fact that Psibear actually healed me, I could have been wanting it so much that I myself made it appear true, but is it possible that he healed me? I can't say for sure that any of this is true, but is it possible? Just trust that these people know what they are talking about and move on.
Paulclitheroe7285
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I do not quite understand the actual possibility of this being able to happen and am quite curious to learn more about it. How is this accomplished by someone? He had told my friend that he is Wiccan therefore has he done some sort of witchcraft or something to receive this strange ability?


ok so this was said a few posts back, and i would just like to point out as i am myself a wiccan that not all wiccans do spells and things, i unfortunately dont, and this is because at the moment i really dont have time, but i used to and i know enough to know that if it were possible it would take a great deal of work probably more than it is worth to accomplish such an ability by a spell, just off the top of my head and dont get any ideas about this it would require a great deal of meditation and communication with spirits and its not easily done if its possible at all.

i can tell you that this ability given that he seems to be just a teenager is not achieved by witchcraft or magick spells and incantations and such, if he has achieved it at all, its done by still maybe years of meditation like since he was born years, so this seems very unlikely that he is telling the truth
Stellar
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Stellar, if you had been paying attention whatsoever you would see that I had already stated how Psibear had cured me in a previous post. He and I know each other. I had a very bad migraine on the bus and I asked him if he could dull it. Due to the fact that I have natural defenses in my mind, he didn't cure it completely, but the pain did ebb. Greatly.


That is not an explanation of how psibear "cured" you. Its quite ironic how psibear talks plenty of the placebo effect, but doesnt build upon that and would rather attribute something such as this to "mystical powers"

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And as previously stated, how many coincedences do we have to have before it is no longer a coincedence?


One of the problems is that many of you have convinced yourselves that we use "coincidence" to explain everything. Not once have I attributed anything in this thread to coincidence, have I?

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Stellar, I no longer believe in you. You do not exist. It's just a strange coincedence that you happen to be typing these posts and that you happen to reply to what other people say. But you're not real. You're just a figment of your own imagination....
For all the good you're doing coming in here and telling us that who we believe we are isn't true, that we are not, for lack of a better term, psychic, then you may as well be telling us that we ourselves do not exist.


Not at all. Its something completely different. If I tell a child that their invisible friend doesnt really exist and is simply imagination, does that mean I'm telling the child that HE himself doesnt exist?

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I'm not trying to say that just because you believe something that it's true, I'm just saying that you have no evidence for nor against the existence of psychic phenomena.


Exactly the problem. With all these children and some grown adults (although much rarer) claiming they can move tables and see the future, theres no evidence of the psychic phenomena. The fact that theres no evidence, in this case, doesnt support the idea that the phenomena doesnt exist, but rather that the people making the claims do not posess these powers.

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Did you know that Lincoln had a "premonition" of his death? But we cannot prove that. We can only trust in primary and secondary sources for that information.


So what's your point?

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You keep telling us to prove our existence. Prove you exist.


I can not prove that I exist over an internet forum beyond all doubt (nothing can be proven beyond all doubt). I can prove that I exist beyond reasonable doubt, however. This, however, even simply providing evidence of such would still take much more effort than proving that these powers that people claim to have.

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No, you cannot say that typing a reply to this is proof, because if I don't want to believe you are an actual person, I won't.


Now isnt that the problem? People believe what they want to believe?
Proof is proof regardless of whether you want to believe it or not.

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I will never meet you, so there is no proof there, you could try to send a picture of you, but then how do I know it's really you unless I, and I emphasize this point, but unless I TRUST your word.


Beyond reasonable doubt. I'm here, typing to you. I have posted a picture of myself at work. I can get the mods to grab my IP address for you, and you can then trace that address to where I live. You can, with a bit more effort, find the name of the person who is subscribed to the internet from there, and then you can verify that that person exists by going through my regiments website. You'll find the same picture there.

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Truely the only faith we ever have is blind. It's built on what we have to trust to be true. So if I don't trust the fact that you exist, then I'm not going to believe you to be a material form. Have you ever hoped for something? Ther is faith in that hope, and trust in that faith. So in order for you to hope for something, you have to trust the possibilty of it. Is it a fact that psychic phenomena has occured? No, but is it possible?


Faith is not faith if there is evidence.

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It in't a fact that Psibear actually healed me, I could have been wanting it so much that I myself made it appear true, but is it possible that he healed me? I can't say for sure that any of this is true, but is it possible? Just trust that these people know what they are talking about and move on.


As I've said, yes it is possible. Its also possible that if I look out my window right now, I'll see a flying pig.
Megalomania
QUOTE(Miss.B.Havin @ Jan 3 2006, 05:06 AM) [snapback]1001787[/snapback]

Did you know that Lincoln had a "premonition" of his death? But we cannot prove that. We can only trust in primary and secondary sources for that information.

I'm going to die one day. << Ta da! I had a premonition of my death. Hooray for me.
Paulclitheroe7285
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I'm going to die one day. << Ta da! I had a premonition of my death. Hooray for me.

oh come on look ur more immature than i am, and any1 who knows me could vouch for that, it is common knowledge that one day we will all die, it isnt a premonition or anything supernatural this is just knowledge, but if u were to say how what date and where u were gonna die by seeing it in ur head then that would be a premonition but only if it were to be later proved that ur death actually was wat you predicted, i can say without and shred of doubt that my school term will start tommorow and thats not psychic or a premonition so i urge u to think a little about your words b4 you post
Megalomania
Or maybe you should learn to read sarcasm, and slight humor.
Psibear
QUOTE(Stellar @ Jan 2 2006, 02:19 PM) [snapback]1001871[/snapback]

That is not an explanation of how psibear "cured" you. Its quite ironic how psibear talks plenty of the placebo effect, but doesnt build upon that and would rather attribute something such as this to "mystical powers"

Not at all. Its something completely different. If I tell a child that their invisible friend doesnt really exist and is simply imagination, does that mean I'm telling the child that HE himself doesnt exist?

Exactly the problem. With all these children and some grown adults (although much rarer) claiming they can move tables and see the future, theres no evidence of the psychic phenomena. The fact that theres no evidence, in this case, doesnt support the idea that the phenomena doesnt exist, but rather that the people making the claims do not posess these powers.


yes i do talk a lot about the placebo effect to show that it works. if we think it hard enough we can have these abiltiies exactly these abilities exist within us. so using the placebo effect can we not think so hard that we have these abilities that we actually do. see i dabble in christianity, wicca, scientific blah, psychic stuff, skeptisism, everything really (well not everything but a lot of stuff) I've learned to tie all these things together and eventually learned to explain all of these phenomena. Dont you get it these abilties come from ourselves we create them by wanting them (or for those of those who dont want them u were giving them for a special purpose so dont hate ur abilties love them...i mean think about the reason you hate it is b/c u saw a huge horrible experience or something to tht effect but think U COULD HAVE CHANGED IT and now it is ur duty as a psychic to change the bad things that happen in premonitions u get now)

The invisible friend isnt a part of the child but our abilties are...they are for some of us the very essence of who we are. so yes you are to a certain degree you are telling us we dont exist. truthfully i dont know what i would do without my abilities. so no u rnt saying we as a whole dont exist but ur saying that a very major part of us doesnt.

OMG ur swimming in a sea of evidence. Its all around u all the time. I told u about that one lady on Lary King Live and u said it was a "cold reading" when she reworded the question it went like this "is there a deceased person in ur family whos name starts with an M?" he says no, she then says "has ur mother or ur mothers sister died?" he says yes she then says "and does her name start with M? is her name mary?" he then goes "Yes!Yes!" idk both those questions ask the same thing...then she tells him about how he got his house remodeled and all the blah blah blah from Aunt Mary. (no offense Aunt Mary) the point is u get mad b/c we ask questions to verify what we are getting...u have to understand all ur life ur brain is raging then for a brief moment when u do any psychic work it has to shut-up but its hard so it still quietly keeps going so as intuition gives u the impression that "his dog just died" our physical brain says "his parents are divorced" and the two sound so alike that u dont know which to trust b/c instead of letting our intuition take over we get scared and run back to our brain( stellar now says excuses excuses)... so did u try to develop ur abilities and it didnt work out? did u believe u had them? u know its hard to understand a science book if u dont believe in/or understand electrons and seismic plates, u cant get the effect of psychic abilities if u dont believe in them(stop b/c there is no proof of seismic plates or electrons really they have just studied what happens and make theories). You know scientist placed new born kittins in a room with no visible vertical lines. when placed in a normal environment they ran into chairs and such (vertical lines) b/c they didnt believe that vertical lines existed...I show u the water crystals and how different thoughts made the same water sample make different crystals.(i went back and checked it was the same water sample) but u knock it off as "hes trying to sell water for $35 so i dont trust him" ur overlooking the evidence and looking at a freaking bottle of water when some proof is sitiing right there in front of ur eyes! but he still proved thoughts have power over physical matter b/c the thoughts formed different crystals! come on the psychic evidence is all around you.
Psibear
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So you admit that all this empathy is simply guesswork?

empathy is not guesswork...i never said that
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yes i do talk a lot about the placebo effect to show that it works.


But when you "heal" someone, its not the placebo effect, its you, right? rolleyes.gif

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if we think it hard enough we can have these abiltiies exactly these abilities exist within us.


Oh really? Prove it.

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so using the placebo effect can we not think so hard that we have these abilities that we actually do.


Umm, I dont think you quite understand what the placebo effect is. The placebo effect isnt resonsible for doing anything you want...

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see i dabble in christianity, wicca, scientific blah, psychic stuff, skeptisism, everything really (well not everything but a lot of stuff) I've learned to tie all these things together and eventually learned to explain all of these phenomena.


Christianity, wiccah, science and skepticism are a phenomena? I can only imagine how screwed up your explenation really is...

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Dont you get it these abilties come from ourselves we create them by wanting them (or for those of those who dont want them u were giving them for a special purpose so dont hate ur abilties love them...i mean think about the reason you hate it is b/c u saw a huge horrible experience or something to tht effect but think U COULD HAVE CHANGED IT and now it is ur duty as a psychic to change the bad things that happen in premonitions u get now)


I have yet to see any evidence that these abilities even exist in the first place!

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empathy is not guesswork...i never said that


Yes you did. You had a dream and you assumed it was about me. You had no real reason to assume it accurately represented me. Thats called a guess.

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The invisible friend isnt a part of the child but our abilties are...they are for some of us the very essence of who we are.


Please, show me that these superpowers are anything different than invisible friends. Go ahead. I'm waiting.

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truthfully i dont know what i would do without my abilities. so no u rnt saying we as a whole dont exist but ur saying that a very major part of us doesnt.


Nope, I'm saying that your "major" part of you is nothing more than your imagination, IMO.

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OMG ur swimming in a sea of evidence. Its all around u all the time.


OMG, I'm not swimming right now. How come the typical excuse is "its all around you" yet there never is? Are you blind aswell?

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I told u about that one lady on Lary King Live and u said it was a "cold reading" when she reworded the question it went like this "is there a deceased person in ur family whos name starts with an M?" he says no, she then says "has ur mother or ur mothers sister died?" he says yes she then says "and does her name start with M? is her name mary?" he then goes "Yes!Yes!" idk both those questions ask the same thing...then she tells him about how he got his house remodeled and all the blah blah blah from Aunt Mary. (no offense Aunt Mary) the point is u get mad b/c we ask questions to verify what we are getting...u have to understand all ur life ur brain is raging then for a brief moment when u do any psychic work it has to shut-up but its hard so it still quietly keeps going so as intuition gives u the impression that "his dog just died" our physical brain says "his parents are divorced" and the two sound so alike that u dont know which to trust b/c instead of letting our intuition take over we get scared and run back to our brain( stellar now says excuses excuses)...


Punctuation is your friend... learn how to use it. And while you're at it, learn about what cold reading is. Dont be gullible. That same process has been used by cold readers over many years, and has been identified AS nothing spectacular, but simply a way of conning people.

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so did u try to develop ur abilities and it didnt work out? did u believe u had them? u know its hard to understand a science book if u dont believe in/or understand electrons and seismic plates, u cant get the effect of psychic abilities if u dont believe in them(stop b/c there is no proof of seismic plates or electrons really they have just studied what happens and make theories).


Umm, its not at all hard to understand a science book simply because you dont believe it.

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You know scientist placed new born kittins in a room with no visible vertical lines. when placed in a normal environment they ran into chairs and such (vertical lines) b/c they didnt believe that vertical lines existed...


Wtf are you talking about? When placed in a normal environment, they bumped into things because there are things to bump into. You just said theres nothing in the other room.

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I show u the water crystals and how different thoughts made the same water sample make different crystals.(i went back and checked it was the same water sample) but u knock it off as "hes trying to sell water for $35 so i dont trust him" ur overlooking the evidence and looking at a freaking bottle of water when some proof is sitiing right there in front of ur eyes!


You're gullible. Plain and simple. This guy doesnt have any verified evidence, plain and simple. An internet site doesnt make it credible. I can go and make a website that says I'm god, and says theres evidence of it. Does that mean its true? The guy is trying to sell water for 35 freakin $. He'll say anything. He'll can say its proven to be holy water that'll make you immortal if you drink it, but until its verified, his site means nothing.

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but he still proved thoughts have power over physical matter b/c the thoughts formed different crystals!


Ask yourself this: How did he prove it?

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come on the psychic evidence is all around you.


Is it? Then you wouldnt mind showing it to me, would you?
Paulclitheroe7285
ohhh thats bad replacement, then i have to respectfully appologise, these computers are never good at putting across emotion and tone of voice
Megalomania
QUOTE(Paulclitheroe7285 @ Jan 4 2006, 06:08 AM) [snapback]1003439[/snapback]

ohhh thats bad replacement, then i have to respectfully appologise, these computers are never good at putting across emotion and tone of voice

Oh, no problem wink2.gif
I'm sorry too >_>
xbonedaddyx240
maybe you all should look for a group of others that have the "ability" to help moniter each other, we've developed control where i live on an astonishing level, some things are controlable and some things are fiction

pyrokinisis=the speeding up of atoms to create friction and heat, complicated and very hard to create actual fire, a tad easier to control it (force energy into object)

cryokinisis=the slowing down of atoms to solidify objects and create cold, again it's hard (pull energy from objects)

chronokinisis= FAKE! time is mearly a human invention created to measure sun up and sun down, there's nothing to control.... nice try though

remote viewing, clairo-"insert here", and all of the other older abilities are all real

lycanthropy=.... don't play around with what your not ready to accept responsibility for, your answer and your warning

electrokinisis= feasible by modern physics, you are a complicated machine generating an electric field, so it IS possible

all the other "energy" controling abilities and all that, they might be going on about "chakra" and that is real but alot of the exercises and all that are sh**
xbonedaddyx240
hmmm..... i like sceptics, not to bash any of you, but it's easier to attempt to prove anything false than to prove any of it true, do you not believe in science too? the only actual "facts" we can accurately test and prove apply to biophysics, some physics, and geology and paleontology.

we can't prove astronomy, or anything that attempts to deal with an enourmous object.

don't tell me you think weve actually seen the earths core let alone even pierced the mantle, maybe we've been to the sun? measured it, scooped some of it up...

none of you even know how to attempt to prove any of these points true or false, when someone of actual intellect comes along then maybe we can have a battle of wits

ignorance and lack of understanding are the only weapons any of you are wealding
did you know that your body creates it's very own electro- and magnetic fields?
or that this incompassing aura is capable of effecting objects on a molecular level?
you are only a complicated machine, we've even taken pictures of this aura, 100% proven SCIENTIFIC fact

we can measure and prove all of the points i put up true, just because none of it's on camera doesn't mean it's fake

everything thats misunderstood at this point in time is either considered witchcraft or bulls***, learn more about history....

i'm interested to see where this one goes ; )
Megalomania
QUOTE(xbonedaddyx240 @ Jan 5 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1004644[/snapback]

hmmm..... i like sceptics, not to bash any of you, but it's easier to attempt to prove anything false than to prove any of it true


I would just love you see your evidence that that statement is true.

It's quite easy for me to prove that there is a keyboard in front of me.
Ta-da.

QUOTE(xbonedaddyx240 @ Jan 5 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1004644[/snapback]

we can't prove astronomy, or anything that attempts to deal with an enourmous object.


Oh really?
There's a very large moon near our planet, and proof to support that.

If you diagree, you should read this.

QUOTE(xbonedaddyx240 @ Jan 5 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1004644[/snapback]

don't tell me you think weve actually seen the earths core let alone even pierced the mantle, maybe we've been to the sun? measured it, scooped some of it up...


Okay, then I won't.

QUOTE(xbonedaddyx240 @ Jan 5 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1004644[/snapback]

none of you even know how to attempt to prove any of these points true or false, when someone of actual intellect comes along then maybe we can have a battle of wits


Wait, just a second ago, you said it was enormously easier to prove something false than true.
So really, we have the advantage.
So for a battle of wits, in your opinion, only you should have intellect.

Then of course, you said that 'When someone of actual intellect comes along', indicating that you believe there are no intelligent people in these boards. Including you.
The whole 'spectator' attitude really doesn't help.

QUOTE(xbonedaddyx240 @ Jan 5 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1004644[/snapback]

ignorance and lack of understanding are the only weapons any of you are wealding
did you know that your body creates it's very own electro- and magnetic fields?
or that this incompassing aura is capable of effecting objects on a molecular level?
you are only a complicated machine, we've even taken pictures of this aura, 100% proven SCIENTIFIC fact


It's illegal for children to hold weapons in my country, so sadly, I'm not wielding either of those.

And we're onto electromagnetic fields? Hip hip hooray, I knew that.

Photos of Auras.
Well, let's have a read, Okay?

QUOTE(xbonedaddyx240 @ Jan 5 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1004644[/snapback]

we can measure and prove all of the points i put up true, just because none of it's on camera doesn't mean it's fake


The fact that none is on camera is plain stupid, especially with kids on this forum making things burst into flame, shocking people, and freezing objects.
That is capturable on camera, but still, when asked for a photo, a stupid response is given.

QUOTE(xbonedaddyx240 @ Jan 5 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1004644[/snapback]

everything thats misunderstood at this point in time is either considered witchcraft or bulls***, learn more about history....


Well, that's very general.
I am often misunderstood, but I don't come under the categories 'bullpoop' OR 'witchcraft'.

But otherwise, other misunderstood matters are considered theories, opinions, conjectures and the like.

QUOTE(xbonedaddyx240 @ Jan 5 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1004644[/snapback]

i'm interested to see where this one goes ; )


So am I... hmm.gif
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maybe you all should look for a group of others that have the "ability" to help moniter each other


I have found a group of others that say they have the ability---right here in this section. Unfortunately, none of them feels they can show me their abilities because their camera would break at the sight of their enormous EK, or their abilities disappear when showing someone else... or they themselves disappear.

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pyrokinisis=the speeding up of atoms to create friction and heat, complicated and very hard to create actual fire, a tad easier to control it (force energy into object)

cryokinisis=the slowing down of atoms to solidify objects and create cold, again it's hard (pull energy from objects)

chronokinisis= FAKE! time is mearly a human invention created to measure sun up and sun down, there's nothing to control.... nice try though


And you so easily call thinks fake too. Btw, throughout your posts, you tell us we're ignorant and need to go learn about this or that. It appears you arent armed with the knowledge to provide an intelligent discussion. Time is not a human invention. Go and educate yourself.

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remote viewing, clairo-"insert here", and all of the other older abilities are all real


Oh really? Theres no verifiable evidence of them.

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electrokinisis= feasible by modern physics, you are a complicated machine generating an electric field, so it IS possible


Feasable? Thats like saying that because we digest normal every day food, its possible to digest a 1cm cube of titanium.

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all the other "energy" controling abilities and all that, they might be going on about "chakra" and that is real but alot of the exercises and all that are sh**


Again, theres a lack of verifiable evidence of these chakras...

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we can't prove astronomy, or anything that attempts to deal with an enourmous object.


What? Maybe you mean astrology...

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don't tell me you think weve actually seen the earths core let alone even pierced the mantle, maybe we've been to the sun? measured it, scooped some of it up...


There are other ways. For isntance, we dont need to go to another solar system and take an air sample of each atmosphere to see if it contains oxygen, we can do so by analysing the light that is reflected by it.

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none of you even know how to attempt to prove any of these points true or false, when someone of actual intellect comes along then maybe we can have a battle of wits


Oh no? Seems quite evident to me. Someone claims to be able to ignite fire in his palms? Get a video of him doing so. Someone claims to be able to make visible psiballs? Video. Thats where you start!

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ignorance and lack of understanding are the only weapons any of you are wealding
did you know that your body creates it's very own electro- and magnetic fields?
or that this incompassing aura is capable of effecting objects on a molecular level?
you are only a complicated machine, we've even taken pictures of this aura, 100% proven SCIENTIFIC fact


Yes, I am quite aware of that... although this "aura" is nothing paranormal and ceases to even exist in a vacume. Whats your point, child?

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we can measure and prove all of the points i put up true, just because none of it's on camera doesn't mean it's fake


Well then PLEASE! DO meausre and prove them! The rest of the world has been waiting for people like you to do so! Go ahead... you said you can do it! Infact, theres a million dollars riding on whether you can or not!

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everything thats misunderstood at this point in time is either considered witchcraft or bulls***, learn more about history....


Oh, yes. rolleyes.gif That is absolute proof that psi is real rolleyes.gif
Psibear

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Okay, let us try a simple experiment about auras. Psychics post your results as Psychic-yes or Psychic- no to show if u had any results...skeptics same thing but put skeptic first i.e. skeptic-yes skeptic-no. okay now sit in a moderately lit room...not too bright but not too dark you dont want to strain ur eyes. tape a large piece of white paper or any light colored solid colored piece of paper to the wall...unless ur walls are already a light solid color. first close ur eyes and imagine ur aura around you. It radiates and glows all around ur body. after a while open ur eyes and hold up ur hands. now gaze at the wal beyond ur hand for a count of fifteen. now look at ur hand and look for a count of fifteen. repeat this three or four times. (one look at the wall and then back at ur hand= 1 time so u should have looked at ur wall and hand 3 or 4 times) be sure to keep ur hand up and in ur viewing range when looking at the wall and dont move it. now avert ur gaze to just on the side of ur hand and stare for about thirty seconds without blinking (yes my arm is tired too). do u notice a slight transluecent "field" around ur fingers or palm or any where on ur hand. if not close ur eyes and let the image thats there sit there. does it look like ur hand or arm or both and is it colored in any way? anyway try this for 3 days one after the other and then come back and tell me results.
Paulclitheroe7285
i think in trying to prove the paranormal with science ur actually disproving it (yes....that made sense), right so here goes my explanation so science is based on logic and facts and good hard evidence now in an attempt to prove the existance of lets say the aura for example, we can do a photograph and say look there it is, so now how is it caused, so we go on to find out, and then when we have dont that, its no longer paranormal the effects would be able to be duplicated in laborotories and things and so things become normal and lose their "para" bit
Psibear
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. Btw, throughout your posts, you tell us we're ignorant and need to go learn about this or that. It appears you arent armed with the knowledge to provide an intelligent discussion. Time is not a human invention. Go and educate yourself.

actually stellar time is a man made concept. see no one knows exactly how time works we have no scientific proof time even exists. see a lot of theories say time is like a pond...when the universe was created it was destroyed in the same moment just one big blob of every event thats "have" happened "will" happen and "are" happening (the verbs are in quotations b/c they really cant apply in this situation since everything has already happened.). but we are like fish in this pond and experience it by the parts that we pass through giving the effect that events are happening in sequential order, but in this theory they aren't. so what seems like a "lifetime" is but a brief moment.then there is the river theory saying that time is like a river it has a predecided path and will take that path unless something obstructs it causing it to take a new course. we again are like the fish and just have to go with the flow...we can try to struggle back or force ourselves ahead but we are still in the river. the point is time has a lot of theories yet nothing can truly prove it exists...kind of like what u think about our abilities. oh yeah and why im on the subject cant a fish while in the river see ahead but only if its smart enough to look (a psychic who gets a premonition) and thus know the obstacles in its course or cant the fish1 sense from fish2 through slight magnetic impulses that fish2 gives off if that fish2 is scared and look around to see what is scaring fish2 and possibly protect itself or help the fish2 (empathy) i could really go on and on. but here ill explain it in a way im sure stellar understands. evolution...darwins theory says we come from monkeys. okay all animals in nature seem to exhibit some sort of extrasensory sense i.e. spiders that can sense danger, fish who can send impulses to each other and move as one, even when being stalked animals exhibit behaviors as if they are ready to take off, so couldn't monkeys or even man since how much better are we than animal i mean we dream, they dream, we think they think, and its not like we have a spirit (or atleast so says stellar). so why shouldn't we have picked up one of these abilities when we weren't at the top of the food chain. the point is we did. somehow cavemen without a well established language could convey messages to each other and its not as easy as pointing at a rock and saying "mooboo" to mean rock because it could have meant finger or point and you also couldnt pick it up and say "mooboo" b/c it could have meant to hold or to pick up. yet somehow they could communicate while stalking prey without ever disturbing the prey (like a lioness who even though they are so far away can still set up plans for attacking and when one adjusts to a new position they all adjust accordingly). the point is humans have always had these abilities but as we've come into the modern world we no longer seemed to need them so eventually people stopped learning them instinctively though they still pop up in our lives i.e. deja vu, finishing someones sentence little stuff like that even strong and vivid imagination is a lingering effect of psychic abilities. so we can still tune into these abilities that we have always had...we can still tap into the abilities our ancient ancestors used to have b/c it is passed through our genetics(even if ur parents dont tap into their abilities this doesnt mean u cant tap into urs b/c it was present in their genetics and is present in urs). ancient man needed a way to defend itself and like every other beast it chose to learn psychic awareness.
Stellar
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Okay, let us try a simple experiment about auras. Psychics post your results as Psychic-yes or Psychic- no to show if u had any results...skeptics same thing but put skeptic first i.e. skeptic-yes skeptic-no. okay now sit in a moderately lit room...not too bright but not too dark you dont want to strain ur eyes. tape a large piece of white paper or any light colored solid colored piece of paper to the wall...unless ur walls are already a light solid color. first close ur eyes and imagine ur aura around you. It radiates and glows all around ur body. after a while open ur eyes and hold up ur hands. now gaze at the wal beyond ur hand for a count of fifteen. now look at ur hand and look for a count of fifteen. repeat this three or four times. (one look at the wall and then back at ur hand= 1 time so u should have looked at ur wall and hand 3 or 4 times) be sure to keep ur hand up and in ur viewing range when looking at the wall and dont move it. now avert ur gaze to just on the side of ur hand and stare for about thirty seconds without blinking (yes my arm is tired too). do u notice a slight transluecent "field" around ur fingers or palm or any where on ur hand. if not close ur eyes and let the image thats there sit there. does it look like ur hand or arm or both and is it colored in any way? anyway try this for 3 days one after the other and then come back and tell me results.


Good job! You've just told people to experience a makeshift optical illusion! Them seeing any sort of thing around their hand doesnt prove the aura, even if it wasnt an optical illuion. Next you have to show that the aura is actually an aura--ie: psychic energy.

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actually stellar time is a man made concept.


Go and educate yourself before attempting to argue with me on something like this. The measurement of time is a man made concept, time, however, is not man made.

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see no one knows exactly how time works we have no scientific proof time even exists.


Umm, yes we do. The fact that you just wrote that proves that time exists.

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see a lot of theories say time is like a pond...when the universe was created it was destroyed in the same moment just one big blob of every event thats "have" happened "will" happen and "are" happening (the verbs are in quotations b/c they really cant apply in this situation since everything has already happened.).


Umm... are you sure you know what a verb is?

BTW, in your attempt to say time doesnt exist, you said that time does exist by using the verb "happening". Good job! rolleyes.gif

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but we are like fish in this pond and experience it by the parts that we pass through giving the effect that events are happening in sequential order, but in this theory they aren't. so what seems like a "lifetime" is but a brief moment.then there is the river theory saying that time is like a river it has a predecided path and will take that path unless something obstructs it causing it to take a new course. we again are like the fish and just have to go with the flow...we can try to struggle back or force ourselves ahead but we are still in the river.


Umm... learn the difference between an analogie and a theory.

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the point is time has a lot of theories yet nothing can truly prove it exists...kind of like what u think about our abilities.


Your analogies have nothing to do with whether time is proven to exist or not. As I said, time is proven to exist... just the mere fact that I'm posting this now shows this to be so. Maybe, before ignorantly arguing with me on the subject, you should go and learn a thing or two on the subject.

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oh yeah and why im on the subject cant a fish while in the river see ahead but only if its smart enough to look (a psychic who gets a premonition) and thus know the obstacles in its course or cant the fish1 sense from fish2 through slight magnetic impulses that fish2 gives off if that fish2 is scared and look around to see what is scaring fish2 and possibly protect itself or help the fish2 (empathy)


Magnetic impulses?
We can assume you mean fish and water disturbances, or dolphins and their speech, or whatever. The point of the matter is, 1 fish is doing something or "saying" something. The other fish hears or picks up the effects of the first fish (the water disturbances for example) and looks at what is causing it. Its no more supernatural than hearing someone scream, looking towards the sound and seeing a guy with a gun.

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i could really go on and on. but here ill explain it in a way im sure stellar understands. evolution...darwins theory says we come from monkeys.


No, it doesnt. Go learn a thing or two before talking about it.

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okay all animals in nature seem to exhibit some sort of extrasensory sense i.e. spiders that can sense danger, fish who can send impulses to each other and move as one, even when being stalked animals exhibit behaviors as if they are ready to take off, so couldn't monkeys or even man since how much better are we than animal i mean we dream, they dream, we think they think, and its not like we have a spirit (or atleast so says stellar). so why shouldn't we have picked up one of these abilities when we weren't at the top of the food chain.


Pure speculation much to do with watching too much spiderman.

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the point is we did. somehow cavemen without a well established language could convey messages to each other and its not as easy as pointing at a rock and saying "mooboo" to mean rock because it could have meant finger or point and you also couldnt pick it up and say "mooboo" b/c it could have meant to hold or to pick up. yet somehow they could communicate while stalking prey without ever disturbing the prey (like a lioness who even though they are so far away can still set up plans for attacking and when one adjusts to a new position they all adjust accordingly).


Look into the evolution of language. It has nothing to do with any special powers. Much of it has to do with the fact that, since all of them were human, they thought similarly to a certain degree.

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the point is humans have always had these abilities but as we've come into the modern world we no longer seemed to need them so eventually people stopped learning them instinctively though they still pop up in our lives i.e. deja vu, finishing someones sentence little stuff like that


What? Deja vu and finishing someones sentences is a paranormal ability, according to you? No wonder you're so quick to assume you have paranormal abilities rolleyes.gif

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even strong and vivid imagination is a lingering effect of psychic abilities.


Oh really? How so, besides your assumptions?

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so we can still tune into these abilities that we have always had...


What abilities? You have yet to show us that these paranormal abilities exist...

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we can still tap into the abilities our ancient ancestors used to have b/c it is passed through our genetics(even if ur parents dont tap into their abilities this doesnt mean u cant tap into urs b/c it was present in their genetics and is present in urs). ancient man needed a way to defend itself and like every other beast it chose to learn psychic awareness.


And your proof of this is...? Oh wait... I know where...

Psibear
and once again stellar you prove how you overlook any evidence. Darwins theory says "survival of the fittest" but he also says that he thinks we came from monkeys. the aura thing...the point is it is an optical illusion but not how u think. we naturally filter out the aura just like we filter out hypersonic sound waves. every sense has its flaw the point is everyone attatches paranormal to psychic abilties the point is they are normal. everyone has them and we can all use them. yes many animals are psychic i wil give u the fact that the spider one comes from spider man but everyother one is real. oanyway we filter out the aura so by using retinal fatigue we make our eyes tired so they sort of slack on the job so to speak and allow us to see the aura. see u can use scientifically proven facts to explain psychic phenomena. oh yeah empathy isnt a guessing game...the dream...oh yeah, not empathy. Go and educate yourself before attempting to argue with me on something like this. that would be clairvoyance and it wasnt even clairvoyance it was a regular dream not a precognitive one. yes i made a guess but only b/c in the dream i didnt know for sure(and still dont know) who it was. Time is a man made concept, we measure it. that is my point. by measuring we create a way for us to percieve it. so time could have already happened in one moment and now in this one moment we stretch it by measuring it to seem like forever and thus thats how it feels to us. anyway the reason i guess is because i can sometimes ask for dreams. i asked for a dream on how to help a friend. in my dream one of my friend forgets to bring a lunch b/c her mom didnt pack it. when i woke up i packed two dollars and when we got to school my dream was right she had forgotten her lunch so i gave her the money an she got a school lunch.
Psibear
oh yeah humans dont think so much alike i mean look at us i know that i have psychic abilities and u think that my abilities dont exist. humans dont think so closely as u think...just like the common cliche "everyone is different in their own special way" we make think along the same lines but we're on two sides of the same coin.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(Psibear @ Jan 4 2006, 01:16 PM) [snapback]1005131[/snapback]

and once again stellar you prove how you overlook any evidence. Darwins theory says "survival of the fittest" but he also says that he thinks we came from monkeys. the aura thing...the point is it is an optical illusion but not how u think. we naturally filter out the aura just like we filter out hypersonic sound waves. every sense has its flaw the point is everyone attatches paranormal to psychic abilties the point is they are normal. everyone has them and we can all use them. yes many animals are psychic i wil give u the fact that the spider one comes from spider man but everyother one is real. oanyway we filter out the aura so by using retinal fatigue we make our eyes tired so they sort of slack on the job so to speak and allow us to see the aura. see u can use scientifically proven facts to explain psychic phenomena. oh yeah empathy isnt a guessing game...the dream...oh yeah, not empathy. Go and educate yourself before attempting to argue with me on something like this. that would be clairvoyance and it wasnt even clairvoyance it was a regular dream not a precognitive one. yes i made a guess but only b/c in the dream i didnt know for sure(and still dont know) who it was. Time is a man made concept, we measure it. that is my point. by measuring we create a way for us to percieve it. so time could have already happened in one moment and now in this one moment we stretch it by measuring it to seem like forever and thus thats how it feels to us. anyway the reason i guess is because i can sometimes ask for dreams. i asked for a dream on how to help a friend. in my dream one of my friend forgets to bring a lunch b/c her mom didnt pack it. when i woke up i packed two dollars and when we got to school my dream was right she had forgotten her lunch so i gave her the money an she got a school lunch.

Your spouting a bunch of nothing. What it comes down to is this. There has never been any hard evidence, that can be verified, that psychic powers exist. Your fooling yourself to say different.
Stellar
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and once again stellar you prove how you overlook any evidence. Darwins theory says "survival of the fittest" but he also says that he thinks we came from monkeys.


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You know... I was about to show you exactly how you're wrong... but I think I'll let you make a jack ass out of your self. Apparently, its easier for you to do that then to look into what you're talking about.

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the aura thing...the point is it is an optical illusion but not how u think.


*sigh* Yes, because we all know how knowledgable you are on the subject. Its an optical illusion based on how our eyes work, nothing more, nothing paranormal. That is simply it. Look into the word "illusion".

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we naturally filter out the aura just like we filter out hypersonic sound waves.


We dont "filter" out anything. Learn how our eyes and ears work.

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every sense has its flaw the point is everyone attatches paranormal to psychic abilties the point is they are normal.


If they were normal then it wouldnt be the minority who claim to have them, and the minority wouldnt have trouble proving these abilities.

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yes many animals are psychic i wil give u the fact that the spider one comes from spider man but everyother one is real.


Oh really? Wheres your supporting evidence? Comic books dont count, remember.

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oanyway we filter out the aura so by using retinal fatigue we make our eyes tired so they sort of slack on the job so to speak and allow us to see the aura.


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Are you kidding me? Do you have any idea about how the eye works? We dont "filter" out anything. The aura, which you mentionned, has nothing to do with seeing any "filtered out" light neither.

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see u can use scientifically proven facts to explain psychic phenomena.


No, apparently you cant.

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oh yeah empathy isnt a guessing game...the dream...oh yeah, not empathy.


Funny, if the dream had been semi accurate, it would have been called empathy.

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Go and educate yourself before attempting to argue with me on something like this. that would be clairvoyance and it wasnt even clairvoyance it was a regular dream not a precognitive one.


Actually, it wouldnt even had been clairvoyance but a derivitive because it was a dream. I am not aware of the specifics of your dream and whether in the dream you felt or saw the divorce so I was quite alright with using the term empathy.

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yes i made a guess but only b/c in the dream i didnt know for sure(and still dont know) who it was.


Ever considered that maybe it wasnt anyone? it was just your imagination?

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