For the last time I said the second testament well most of it was not written the stories of jesus was passed down through word of mouth, because Christianity was not mainstream and they were being persecuted for more or less 100 yrs after Jesus death. Then Constantine had a vision and saw it as a sign from god that he was to take over the byzantine empire. Once he got the thrown he took the first testament which was already written, He and a few priest got whatever stories of jesus they can get that was acceptable to them and formed the second testament and completed the Bible, the first and second testament. Unfortunately he passed a law saying the people must follow the religion of the thrown, which at the time was christianity and it's first completed bible, what is bad about the law is once Constantine died the next occupier of the thrown could of changed it.



You should study the history of the bible. I believe Constantine called his belief of the Bible trinitarianism (you know the Trinity) based on the views of St. Augustine who which Constantine was fond of. Some how Arius and his view was accepted when Constantine was said to adopt it in his death bed and the rest is pagan history.

And please were off topic.

You don't have to study the bible to know when armageddon is approaching. See the sky? Yeah, now pretend an imaginary text reading "Watch this space".
I'm sure a huge meteor's gonna come.

Predicted from something in the Bible.


Live worldwide Television. Predicted by a preacher long before TV was invented. I forgot the guy's name.

Scripture predicting television.

Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Revelation 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Kindreds and tongues and nations, shall see the dead bodies. For different nations to see this you need worldwide sattelite television.

Your welcome! But I was talking about you not the Bible. You would make a good fantasy writer.I was Baptised, Prayed, Had my children Baptised and the 5 children that was not mine baptised. You do not know me except for this forum so how do you think you know me let along judge me what I am or was?Speaking of tails....why can't you answer my question? I will post the links at the end of this post if you need them to look for yourself.We have made use of it from time to time along with others but thank you for the info. Some one aught to give Jesus some superglue remover.
1. A Pagan does not use the Bible.
2. Some of your so called Holy Men (NOT YOU) are the ones who "Took From The Bible".
Are you saying that you are following a Pagan Religion?
1. Who decides those "Few Questions Of Concern"?
2. Who decides and how if it was "Inspired By God"?
3. Who is the ones that decides what we are to know?
4. Who is the one that knows what God wants us to know?
5. How is it decided if it contains "Truths That God Has Established?
Yes ! The key words are "acceptable unto most". Please note ken. Thank you again. Well people I have 5 years left on "Probation"! Yahoo...Yippee! Thank you Super Pancake!
Now ken.....Read the part about the "Trinity". This is what I was trying to teach you.
Here are the links again:
Tail Bone aka "vestigial tail" aka "COCCYX"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx
livescience.com
The first one is different but there is more info. Again I ask ken Why do we have a tail if we were created?

Zandore,

Cute, You had all those Children baptized then showed them you thought you were wrong to do it? Judge yourself. You gave them something decent, Now what are you giving them? How many portions of your doubt did you pass out?

Day after day you argue about a God you say does not exist. Kind of hard to fight Him, Isn’t it? What is the problem? He won’t tell you He loves you so you can hear it? Why fight an illusion? Or does that illusion still have your heart sewed up?

Can’t get Him out can you? So you have to battle. And it is HAVE TO. For the moment you slow down, He increases. What is your greatest fear? That you might admit you love Him? In the middle of all that hate, What is burning bright? He has you and He will never let you go. That is the problem when you fall in love with God. Your Hooked. And ask any fisherman, When does the fish fight hardest? When they see they are being reeled in.


Zandore, You have heard of the Book of Isaiah, Of Jeremiah, Of Ezekiel, There is no book of Constantine, is there?

There is a computer program called the Holy Spirit that comes with the Scripture. So just plug into this program and it helps you to get past those questions. It is called the Holy Spirit Tutor. God packages this with each Bible, free of charge. Covered by eternal lifetime guarantee. Double your love back.

Trinity is not Scriptural. Jesus is David’s physical son raised to be the Son of God. No need to search for something that is known to be false. And the TAIL? Makes no difference. God created man in His image. He is the Head, we are the TAIL.

What has a tailbone got to do with being created? God created many different things, Many were changed, We call it evolved, But maybe they were changed by God for reasons of His own. Maybe He created us with a Tailbone to keep people guessing. Why do we have an appendix? Or is God saying all the organs in the Body of Christ do not have a use we know of?

Ken

This is your opinion about the scripture...
I dont agree with it and I am just as much a christian as you... I have just as much faith as you...
The trinity is a very important thing to understand for all christians...

just my humble opinion...

LBD

And I looked, n behold a pizzy horse: n his name thiznat sat on him was Death, n Hiznell followed wit him fo shizzle. And powa was given unto tizzle over tha fourth part of tha earth, ta kiznill wit sword, n wit hunga, n wit death, n wit tha beasts of tha earth puttin tha smack down.
Revelation 6:8

a little revelation, ebonics style...

sorry, I couldn't resist... its funny though... lol

LBD

Putting your soul in jeopardy to make a joke is not funny. It's more like tragic.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

I didn't take away or add anything... I simply changed the wording to make it humorous...
I don't see how I put my soul in jeopardy at all, infact I am sure God got a kick out of it as well..
Didn't anyone think is was funny?
antiaging Get a sense of humor... I know God has one..

just my humble opinion...

LBD

LBD, you had dare to make fun of the sacred text, the wrinten word of God, and for that, you will burn in hell. PLease present yourself in torture chamber 12B and sit in the blue chair to wait for your devilish torturer.

They are adults now, Free to make their own choice just like I made mine.Judge myself? I try very hard not to do any thing to judge myself for. Yes I gave them something decent, Not for you to mess up. Doubt? No I think it more often called clarity of the mind. Something that you lack and it helps them see things as they really are.I do it because as I told you before "It is entertaining" at times. Some of the things you come up with.NO because it is not him I fight. I am not the one with the illusion. There is very little I fear, Your God is not one of them.You go from talking about Armageddon to fishing. More illusions of yours.

Antiaging this is something you should be telling ken. read some of his recent posts. He states this:Here is a big one:Let me ask you Antiaging, Is this a sound Christian?
I am still waiting for your response to my question about "Your Tail Bone". Here are the links again:
Tail Bone aka "vestigial tail" aka "COCCYX"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx
livescience.com
The first one is different but there is more info. Again I ask ken Why do we have a tail if we were created?
I used to be a fundamentalist; But I evolved! Thats a fact Jack
My "Two Tailed Zandore" opinion!

I think in the end it all comes down to the fact that the information is there for one to believe that the end of the world very well may come. It's just a matter of all the ideas aligning so that everything occurs at once. The increased frequency of events that can be linked back to scripture I guess makes things seem a little uneasy to some.

The Trinity is not true. God raising David’s child is, And God swore unto that:

(PSALMS 89:34) My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing
that is gone out of my lips. (KJV)
(PSALMS 89:35) Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie
unto David. (KJV)
(PSALMS 89:36) His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as
the sun before me. (KJV)

NOW, Those who want to believe in God coming down and taking the Form of Man, SHOW IT SCRIPTURALLY. Or attempt it anyway.

I don’t think the God Antiaging sees ever laughed.

Antiaging. AS you learn Revelation, you need to GET THE PLAGUES also. It is the same as all the other sevens, the day seen as 3 pictures. NOW, When God takes our part out of the book of life. Could OUR PART be looking at the part we play? Maybe even God accepting it as played well.

For Jesus rendered to man His righteousness, So out of Christ God took my part and rendered it unto me, and gave you part out of the book of life, and gave Adolf Hitler part out of the Book of life, And that part God took out as our part was Salvation for all mankind.

Ken

I will...

"The word was God from the very beginning" - John 1:1
"The word created all things" - John 1:3
"The word is the source of life" - John 1:4
"The word became a human being" John 1:14

There you go Mr.Ken... You think you are all knowing when it comes to scripture... hmph...

well you prolly just tell me I'm wrong, and then tell me what you think these verses really mean...
To me its pretty cut and dry...

LBD

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[quote]Zandore,

I am still waiting for your response to my question about "Your Tail Bone". Here are the links again:
Tail Bone aka "vestigial tail" aka "COCCYX"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx
livescience.com
The first one is different but there is more info. Again I ask ken Why do we have a tail if we were created?
I used to be a fundamentalist; But I evolved! Thats a fact Jack
My "Two Tailed Zandore" opinion!
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Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.
[Ecclesiastes is about things under the sun, or our physical lives on this earth.]

The bible covers this sort of thing. Beasts have tails, men have a tail bone; so what.

There is also another possibility why. God shall send strong delusion in the world, (false religions or false science or false philosophy) so that those that don't love the truth, and have pleasure in sinning can be deceived and damned. [He may send this, false idea about evolution and a tail, delusion by allowing Satan to put it there; Satan can only do what God allows him to do. Satan is totally evil and will do evil if God allows him to do anything. God is allowing Satan to test men to see if they will choose good or evil. It is to separate the sheep from the goats on judgement day, so to speak. (Either make the tree good and his fruit good, or make the tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt Mt.12:33.)]
Perhaps the tail bone is part of this delusion of false science and evolution, to deceive people that don't love the truth (God's Word) and people that have pleasure in sinning so that they can be damned.
Here is the scripture indicating what I am saying.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

As of now you are failing your test. If you get an F on this test it means eternal torment in hell.
Try passing your test in the future. - that's my advice.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I doubt it.

damn and i thought id be able make it up in summer school

That can't really be ignored, and it's kinda crazy to think about too. The question remains when and how. It's all so much of a mystery.

Yes it is true nobody knows when the end will come... But from the signs of the times we can get an idea of when it is comming...




This is just one of the things I posted... There are many more signs that show us the time is comming...

just my humble opinion...

LBD
~peace

I missed this one. So....Jesus was not born to a Virgin Mother. So Jesus was not the son of God. What are you saying ken? Most of the Bible is based or about "The Son of God". To deny this you are denying Christianity.So according to you how can a mere mortal render his righteousness to another mortal?

Here are the links again:
Tail Bone aka "vestigial tail" aka "COCCYX"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx
livescience.com

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[quote]Zandore,

I am still waiting for your response to my question about "Your Tail Bone". Here are the links again:
Tail Bone aka "vestigial tail" aka "COCCYX"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccyx
livescience.com
The first one is different but there is more info. Again I ask ken Why do we have a tail if we were created?
I used to be a fundamentalist; But I evolved! Thats a fact Jack
My "Two Tailed Zandore" opinion!
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Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.
[Ecclesiastes is about things under the sun, or our physical lives on this earth.]

The bible covers this sort of thing. Beasts have tails, men have a tail bone; so what.
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Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (KJV)
So God had a tail also? The Bible says in our image, our likeness. Is this the only reference you have? Here are some more links for you to look at:
human_wisdom_teeth
human appendix
That was for ken and still is.

Interesting. My question, though, would be how many times has something like what you outlined below happened in history. Or at least something similar. How do we know what the exact events will be that will conincide with what the book of Revelations says? And, how many events must occur for the end to come? Of course no one has the exact answers to this, but I'd be interested to hear thoughts.

I dont think there has ever been such a massive army ever before...
And I dont think that the Euphrates river has ever been able to be dried up before...
This is just one of the the signs... But I think it makes sense...

Maybe something like I outlined has happened before... But I have not hear about it... I will look into it more...

LBD

What's this movie called? when is the release date?

Yet again, time - man made concept created to stop everything happening at once. Different religions go by different calendars, who's to say yours is the right/real one. And what about time changes would that mean different parts of the world would reach the apocalypse at different times (which goes back to the man-made concept of time). All scare tactics to get more people to church and cough up their hard earned cash for the most powerful richest business in existance. Popcorn anyone?

Extra butter just a little salt

Just the way I like it too!

Well, good point. I guess it's just a matter of believing that what is happening is really the actuall events that are going to be what defines the end. It's a hard concept to grasp for me. I wonder about previous events, though, and if there has been anything close. I'll look into it as well.

Dude seriously, I love the Bible and him coming on a UFO is plain and simply ridiculous.

Revelation 19:11-16, "And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

Unless a horse is a UFO then your theory is wrong. Sorry just picturing it makes me laugh, oh no LOLCOPTER

There is no scripture that says that you will burn in hell forever and ever. The Scriptures are explicit in there depictions of hell. It is like a lake of burning fire and it is everlasting. The punishment is eternal isolation from God. The lake of fire is for man, the second death...the death of the 'soul'. That seperation is everlasting...it is as if you never even existed and your entire existence on Earth is irrelevant and all memory thereof is forever erased. No where in the scriptures does it say we burn for ever in hell.

I find it very interesting that the Bible has more to say about Hell than it has to say about Heaven. I would like to share a few Bible verses about Hell, so you can make up your own mind as to what Hell is really like. The punishment of the wicked is as never-ending as the bliss of the righteous. Unbelievers are not given a second chance, nor are they annihilated. The punishment of the wicked dead is described throughout Scripture as "everlasting fire" (Matt 25:41); "unquenchable fire" (Matt 3:12); "shame and everlasting contempt" (Dan. 12:2); a place where "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44-49); a place of "torments" and "flame" (Luke 16:23,24) "everlasting destruction" (2Thes 1:9); a place of torment with "fire and brimstone" where "the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever" (Rev. 14:10,11); and a "lake of fire and brimstone" where the wicked are "tormented day and night forever and ever" (Rev. 20:10). Here Jesus indicates that the punishment itself is everlasting -- not merely the smoke and flames.



The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. They consciously suffer shame and contempt and the assaults of an accusing conscience -- along with the fiery wrath of an offended deity -- for all of eternity. Even Hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Ps. 76:10); those who are there will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deut. 32:3-5). Yes, Hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end!

Lightbeyondthedark.

John 1:1 is Golgotha, that is the BEGINNING. That is when Jesus declares the End as Isaiah 46:10 shows, that is what the book of Revelation shows, the day as 7 days, Which shows as the Creation story. That is when the House of David, Whom is Jesus Christ is made by the Father AS GOD.

(ZECHARIAH 12:8) In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants
of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be
as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of
the Lord before them. (KJV)

This has been mentioned many times, But I seem to remember you saying I am the one not listening. Cute.

Cut and dry sounds like God’s word as living water is not there.


The Reason why Antiaging read the New Testament over 400 times is because it is a very enjoyable COOK BOOK, and Reading over and over how GOD WILL COOK THEIR GOOSE is pure delight.

But God put the sin of the World on one person. He likened Jesus to a lamb, to a Lion, and to a Sparrow on the housetop when He was on the cross, to a Flying Eagle as He commended His spirit unto God. And I add a Cooked goose for mankind’s Christmas Dinner. For the Birth of the Body of Christ is seen the day of the cross in Psalms 2:6/7

“Take Eat, This is My Body.”


Zandore, You missed this ONE? Jesus was REBORN to a Virgin. Second time around for Jesus. And He is God’s Son by DECREE.

(2SAMUEL 7:14) I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he
commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with
the stripes of the children of men: (KJV)

God inspired the Prophets to write that Jesus would give us His righteousness, So God must have oked the Contract.

You got my response to your tailbone. It does not interest me at all. Does not change anything at all, it just seems to aggravate you. How you figure that man could not have been created because of the tailbone does not make sense anyway. But it gives you something to chase.

Ken

Comparing the Bible to a cook book now?You can not answer it then? I have been saying the same about your version of the Bible too.
Matthew 10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.(KJV)
Depart.

I'm just getting lost in all this now. According to some, you are born of the original sin, so before you even pop into this world, you're on the downward spiral, so to speak. Confession of sins and all that stuff just says 'control' to me, making you live in fear of doing something wrong etc etc. Just says to me that unless you are a so-called holy man, you're doomed! Do people not realise that there were civilisations way before xtianity appeared. And it was this religion that went far and wide and made other cultures believe their way and built their churches over sacred temples of earlier societies. We have archaeological proof of that. take the Norsemen for example. A culture of people who had their way of living and beliefs long before the holy men came and told them they were wrong, and that they had to believe in something completely different. I dunno, it just seems that people will just never see eye to eye on subjects like this. Sorry if it seems like I am rambling.

Rambling no actually you make a good point which follows my feelings (even though raised Christian) that the truth lies somewhere in a combination of ALL relgions!

ah good, I am glad it did'nt sound too crazy. You never know, an amalgamation of all religions may end up being some kind of science, and then we'd all find out we were ALL wrong. That would be kinda weird...

If we all came from Adam and Eve , Why did the apostles have to go out and convert people to xtianity? Why does a "Loving God" send to hell unborn babies? Kill said unborn babies? People (babies) that did not have a chance to "sin".

The lord giveth and the lord taketh away...
Yes the lord takes life away from anyone...
But I will never believe he send babies to hell... I don't care what anyone says...
I have more faith in my Gods love and grace...

just my humble opinion...

LBD

I'm not tryint to be "cute"... You don't listen... You only speak, and never listen... Even if you were to listen, you probably wouldn't understand because you wont open your mind and heart either...
And about the "cut and dry" thing... Its a figure of speach...

Gods word is living water that flows through my soul... Who are you to say otherwise?
You really think your better then the rest of us don't you? Thats the feeling I get...
Well once again I will say, come back down to the level you should be at, the level of all men... You are no better nor worse...

just my opinion...

LBD

No, God does not send babies to hell, when you start learning right from wrong then it becomes a sin.

But if a baby is "born into sin" and dies before it understands what God is supposed to be about what then?

I was 3 (maybe younger) when I knew what God was.

How old were you when you knew right from wrong? But what of a sib? Were they as young? What of your neighbors children?

the thing is we (humans) do not know what the lord does with those who have not had the chance to choose how they want to live their life. we are born into sin because of adam and eve.

But only if you are a believer of the Christian faith.

Yep, here we go into that rocky area again! strap yourselves in, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!

No I don't think so. I have never hid the fact of my belief (evo).

Zandore,

You did not know God was into teaching us how to cook? I thought you had read the Bible?

(EXODUS 23:19) The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt
bring into the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a
kid in his mother's milk. (KJV)

This is a Similitude. God is telling us all that no matter what a Mother has been feeding her child as far as beliefs, Keep out from between them. Do NOT tell a Child their Mother is wrong. You can tell the mother when the child is not present, But as long as that child is small. Do not ruin that relationship.


Hoagy,

The Concept of Original sin, that we are all born with that passed down because of what happened to Adam and Eve in the Garden is not Scriptural truth, It violated God’s law:

(DEUTERONOMY 24:16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the
children, neither shall the children be put to death for the
fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (KJV)

This also shows that sin had to BELONG to Jesus when He went to the cross. He could not die for us, He had to take our sins as His own, then die for what He has done Himself, or with the sin of the world. Dying a sinner got Jesus the keys to death and hell He needed.

He made the Tree Evil, or willingly took sin, then went into hell where He bore evil fruit, or got them all out, hell ceased to exist on the third day. Hell was just a holding place where they slept till Jesus died for sin.

(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (KJV)

Jesus taking away the sin of the world, and ending Hell:

(PSALMS 37:10) For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be:
yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. (KJV)


Zandore, God does not send unborn babies to hell, Never did, Never will. Original sin was a money making concept, a need to get a baby Baptized.

But Jesus said to go forth CONVERTING and Baptizing. Now I know they seem to know what you are telling them by the way they smile, But this is just gas because someone did not do a good job burping.

Is this why you had all those children baptized? You believed THEN they would go to hell if they were not baptized?

Like the man who killed the Abortion doctor, I think the Abortion doctor was the first one to greet him, and thank him after he was executed for killing the Doctor.

It is only knowing what is true about God that a person can really make a choice. For God also gave us reasons not to believe. The “Why would God allow that?” is one of the main ones. Many unbelievers are justified. But it is not from seeing the Loving God there is. It is from seeing what people portray as God. And His Salvation package.

Ken

From your post I see what and how you think of God and your attitude toward religion. It is very obvious. At the same time what I have said about my stance on religion Has been not only consistent but truthful. I can not understand where you can say "what I know and do not know About religion". If you do not have Facts about what I know or do not know about religion then I am asking you right now to keep your opinions of me to your self. Thank you.

what amazes me, or perhaps it should reassure me, is that none of you has taken my challenge-one feeble exception mentioned a televangelist whose name he couldn't remember predicting satellite television.let me repeat the challenge-quote one single example, in the last 2000 years, only one and you win the prize, where someone has predicted a single event from the bible.the example would be the tsunami, the stock market crash, or 9-1-1. the prediction, made based on revelatiion or any other book, whether from the hebrew. scriptures or the new testament, must have been published years in advance.i want an event, a spe3cific event-and don't tell me that revelatio9ns predicted the chinese army increasing its size. that doesn';t qualify. an assassination, the discovery of radium, anything.guess what-it's never happened-waiting for your continued response.you guys claim to be experts, but all you do is quote scripture about events you think will happen.have a good day.

Yeah I read the bible... Thank you very much...
And your "challenge" probably has not been taken by anyone because it smells too much like bait...
And ofcourse for the fact that nothing a christian says will make any difference to you...

just my humble opinion...

LBD