Did you also know Ken Jesus said,

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I will tell you the truth, ye believe me not." - John 8:44

Liken Jesus to the devil now...
You shouldn't be able to... Jesus is love, Satan is not...

LBD

Yes.. I do see a pattern...

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in My Name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die - Deuteronomy 18:20

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. - Matthew 7:15-23

I want to point out one part of those verses...

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
Could this be why people are at least open to my message? They may not always believe me or agree with me, but they remain open... Hmmm...

LBD

To you or ken? To you......yes. You do not push your beliefs like ken does. You leave the option open to listen now or later. ken pushes to hard to make others believe the way he does and I among many here fell that this is wrong.


MMO

Zandore,

Most people that are forced end up doing what was forced upon them. Someone here should have what I was forcing on them? If I was forcing that is?

I read what others are writing here. Some tell me I am going to hell, that is a Threat. “God is going to get me!” They are trying to get me to do as they want. But seeing I know it is not true. The intimidation of going to hell is kind of diluted. And God already has me.

Never used the “Family curse”? You raised those children and they never got a bit out of line? You must be a GREAT PARENT. You should recommend YOURSELF to the Hall of Fame. I think you can find it online at “RIPLEY’s Believe it or not.”

Strange, God is the FATHER of my Grandchildren.


Lighteyondthedark.

“But WE are men” is not a fact, it is an opinion to one, and false doctrine to another, which forms WE.

What I am trying to prove, is the Church which claims to know Jesus, Does not know what this means, nor have they used it as far as I know, nor attempted to explain what Jesus said if you can not do it, “WHY Take thought for the rest?”

(LUKE 12:25) And which of you with taking thought can add to his
stature one cubit? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:26) If ye then be not able to do that thing which is
least, why take ye thought for the rest? (KJV)

God’s phone number is not an unlisted one. And He is never too busy to pick it up and speak to you. Ask Him.

Jesus slew those who would not receive Him by His words, “No man cometh unto the Father but by Me” has ramifications. It is a Covenant based on their needing to come through Jesus. As the only way to get to God. So those who do not? Are they spiritually alive or Spiritually dead?

(PSALMS 78:34) When he slew them, then they sought him: and they
returned and inquired early after God. (KJV)

Remember how they came to Jesus while He was still alive in the cross, Saying “Let Christ the King now come down that we might see and believe.” Calling Jesus both Christ and King, After having told Pilate, Write not “King of the Jews.” but that He said He is King of the Jews.

(JOHN 19:21) Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate,
Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the
Jews. (KJV)

(MARK 15:32) Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the
cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified
with him reviled him. (KJV)


God voided that covenant in Psalms 89:39. We are saved by grace, not by belief.

(PSALMS 89:39) Thou hast made void the covenant of thy servant:
thou hast profaned his crown by casting it to the ground. (KJV)

Close, Satan is a name for the Word of God . That is the context. The name applies there. So Satan desire to sift Peter:

(AMOS 9:9) For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of
Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet
shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. (KJV)

That is what God’s word says, Is it not?

All the prophecies are as lies TILL they are fulfilled, they are ALL false prophets TILL God fulfills the Prophecy.

(1KINGS 22:22) And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said,
I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all
his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade {him}, and prevail
also: go forth, and do so. (KJV)

God’s word says He tries the Hearts and reigns, So God going by what He has said He does, His Word moved Him against Job, or Job gets tested. In Similitude as if a conversation is taking place, God tells Satan:

(JOB 2:3) And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my
servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect
and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and
still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me
against him, to destroy him without cause. (KJV)

By the way, Job is Jesus Christ, the seven sons is the day as 7 time periods, the 3 daughters is the day as 3 pictures, the Wind (Spirit) comes out of the Wilderness (Day of the cross as a house built) and smites the four corners of the House, or the first picture as 4 6-hour periods.

God speaks plainly? Then PETER is SATAN?

(MATTHEW 16:23) But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind
me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the
things that be of God, but those that be of men. (KJV)

UNLESS? This is God speaking to Jesus, Through Jesus, seeing Jesus has the sin of the world, and is ALL THINGS WHICH OFFEND. Jesus just prayed for Peter, Jesus needs one person to get a pardon from dying for sin offered in Jeremiah 5:1. But God’s word says “Smite the Shepherd and the Sheep shall be scattered.” So Peter also has to flee, Even if someone likened Peter to a rock. He is still one of the sheep.

Jesus said the words which He spoke are God’s.

(JOHN 14:24) He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the
word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (KJV)

(HOSEA 1:10) Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as
the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it
shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them,
Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the
sons of the living God. (KJV)

The name Devil means “The Living God.” But as God blinded Jesus from seeing this, He is telling them in John 8:44 you are of your Father the Devil, So He sees it as the words Which God gave Him as meaning “You are not My people” But what it is really saying is “You are Sons of the Living God.”

(ISAIAH 45:15) Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of
Israel, the Saviour. (KJV)

(DANIEL 9:8) O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our
kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned
against thee. (KJV)

(ISAIAH 42:19) Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my
messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and
blind as the Lord's servant? (KJV)
(ISAIAH 42:20) Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening
the ears, but he heareth not. (KJV)

? I am crazy? A Fruitcake? I remember both of those things were requirements on the application God gave me to fill out.

(SOLOMON 6:11) I went down into the garden of nuts to see the
fruits of the valley, and to see whether the vine flourished and
the pomegranates budded. (KJV)


(MATTHEW 7:16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather
grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (KJV)

I figured as long as I had the FRUIT, I would do like Elijah and tell God to MAKE ME A LITTLE CAKE. And He did, a Fruitcake.

(1KINGS 17:13) And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as
thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring
it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son. (KJV)

I did not say Jesus never called Joseph Father, I said Jesus said to call no man Father, But He did say to the Jews “You are of your FATHER The Devil,”

(MATTHEW 23:9) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one
is your Father, which is in heaven. (KJV)

It is easier to know about someone if you know all the names they go by.

Judas Iscariot is Michael, the Battle in Revelation which is the day of the cross is on the Mount of Olives. Michael seen in Daniel as the only one who aided Jesus in coming to Daniel, The Vision is when Daniel is dead and in the grave, and Jesus comes to Him the day of the cross, Who went and got the 144? Who got the 30 pieces of Silver needed to fulfill Scripture. Who Kissed the Son lest he be angry? MICHAEL did.

(ZECHARIAH 11:13) And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the
potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the
thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house
of the Lord. (KJV)

Who is Directing Judas to throw the money?

(MATTHEW 27:5) And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple,
and departed, and went and hanged himself. (KJV)


Zandore.

I hope the Good Christians are starting to see a PATTERN here:

(EZEKIEL 43:10) Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of
Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them
measure the pattern. (KJV)

SHOW THE HOUSE:

(PROVERBS 9:1) Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her
seven pillars: (KJV)

Read Revelation: Seven Churches, Seven spirits, Seven Golden Candlesticks, Seven Stars, Seven lamps of fire, Seven seals, Seven Horns, Seven Eyes, Seven Trumpets, Seven Thunders, Seven Heads, Seven Crowns, Seven plagues, Seven Golden Vials, Seven Mountains, Seven Kings, Seven Beasts,

All the Sevens are the same thing, the day seen as 7 days, Shown as 3 pictures, First as 4 6-hour periods as 4 beasts with 6-wings, second as 2 12-hour periods as 2 witnesses, third as 1 24-hour period as 24 Elders.


Light? John 8:44. No problem.

“The Lusts of your Father will you do.” Did you know GOD wanted the Jewish People to offer Jesus upon the Cross?

(ACTS 2:23) Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
crucified and slain: (KJV)

“Murderer from the Beginning” Did you know under God’s law every man would be put to death for HIS OWN SIN. So Jesus had to have the sins as if He had committed them, that is why God could not look upon Jesus on the cross. And that is the BEGINNING. So He is a Murderer from the Beginning, and if you were to offer your son a Human Sacrifice what would you be charged with?

“Abode not in Truth” Truth did not enter the World or was not established as Truth till the day of the cross when all is fulfilled and established as truth by showing it as three pictures.

(JOHN 16:13) Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will
guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but
whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you
things to come. (KJV)

Jesus speaking of the Spirit of Truth coming in the Future, as Jesus had not yet gone to the Cross.

“Father of Lies” is that all prophecies are lies till fulfilled, that is they lying Spirit God sent, but when those lies are fulfilled, the LYING Spirit then is established as the Spirit of Truth.

(1KINGS 22:22) And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said,
I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all
his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail
also: go forth, and do so. (KJV)
(PSALMS 119:160) Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one
of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. (KJV)

FROM WHEN? True from the Cross? For that is when John 1:1 Applies.

(ISAIAH 46:10) Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel
shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: (KJV)

The Beginning is “It is Finished” at Golgotha, the Old World had no beginning, the New World has no end.

(MARK 4:15) And these are they by the way side, where the word is
sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and
taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. (KJV)

As soon as you are told that Satan means the word of God, Immediately all that you have heard you toss away. WAYSIDE is a good place to meet WAYfaring men.

(ISAIAH 35:8) And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it
shall be called the way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass
over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though
fools, shall not err therein. (KJV)

WOLVES? REAL WOLVES?

(ISAIAH 11:6) The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the
leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young
lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. (KJV)

The Wolf is God, the Wolf Scatters the Sheep, that is God saying “Smite the Shepherd and the Sheep shall be scattered.”

Jesus of His own freewill took sin, that made the Tree Evil by choice, That God Jesus the keys to death and hell He needed so He could get into hell and BEAR EVIL FRUIT or get them all out the third day.

(ZECHARIAH 9:11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I
have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (KJV)

Those saying “Lord, Lord.” is the Disciples, that was a prophecy by Jesus, all prophecies are for the day of the cross, Look at their response, that shows it is the Disciples:

(MATTHEW 7:21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven. (KJV)
(MATTHEW 7:22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we
not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works? (KJV)

Peter is the one who denies Jesus before men. Jesus by not correcting Peter denies He knows Peter. And allows Peter to get away.

Jesus is saying “I never knew you” because He is reaching for Non-Jews, and they do not want Him to.

Hmmm? Grapes of Thorns? The way God speaks in similitudes, I would liken that to going to what we see as a NON-Believer and gathering them by Converting them. Like Saul later called Paul. He was a Thorn in the side of Believers in Christ. He got gathered. Like gathering what no one wants. But what we see as problems, God sees as potential.

Open to YOUR MESSAGE? Sorry, I don’t have a message, I am just a Messenger. God sent a Dove, and a Carrier pigeon.

Ken

In Genesis didnt God say that he will never punish man for their sins again? Why do you people claiming that God will punish man for their sins always ignore that? Am I missing something? In some part of the Bible did God change his mind and say he would punish man after all? Please tell me if he did indeed change his mind but if he didnt, you people have really got to stop.



Dont we have the technology to find and destroy a meteorite that presents a threat to the earth? The bible was written awhile ago..what was a danger then isnt so much a danger now.

(I apologize if anyone has said these things already in this thread..i dont have time to read all through the pages so im not quite sure)

JayMan.... It is hard to tell what that person is saying. If you are religious I would go to your Pastor for information on the Bible. What you would read from ken is not main stream Christianity. Besides you are supposed to find your own truth in the Bible not someone elses.

Jayman.

Here is what God said in Genesis, it concerns all mankind being destroyed:

(GENESIS 9:11) And I will establish my covenant with you, neither
shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood;
neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. (KJV)

This will be a bit hard, This is a similitude for the day of the cross, the people are as waters, as a flood. Jesus is the Ark, we are in the Ark.

But because the day is seen as three pictures, the Earth destroyed by fire is God’s word like as a fire in Jeremiah 23:29 and Jesus made all things cursed, or God’s word causes Jesus to die for the sin of the world.

God doubles twice to establish His words, so it is seen as a flood, and as a fire, and bringing it to pass physically fulfills the prophecy.

(2SAMUEL 22:5) When the waves of death compassed me, the floods of
ungodly men made me afraid; (KJV)

The people are as waters, They are as waves roaring the day of the cross, Jesus is the Ark, the Waters lift up the Ark. Seen twice, first after the 40 days of rain, then the Ark is seen as loaded again, But this second time, God shuts them in, or the Second picture for the day of the cross is Jesus in hell.

At Golgotha Jesus took upon Himself the Future sins of mankind, Past and present sins ended with “By His stripes we are healed.” Daniel 9:24 was fulfilled the day of the cross, The SEAL in that verse kept the Disciples and Paul from seeing sin ended as Accountable unto man, so they spoke a lot of error.

Daniel 9:24 is one of hundreds of jots and tittles Jesus had to fulfill. And it was fulfilled.

(DANIEL 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon
thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of
sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in
everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy. (KJV)

All iniquity was placed on Jesus by Isaiah 53:6, Jesus renders to man His righteousness seen in Job 33:26.

A Meteorite? God did something that most have not seen. Our Solar system has more then just the Earth. Those GREAT BIG planets out farther then us have a lot of Gravity. They are designed to attract most of the Incoming mail. Like the Comet that hit Jupiter about 6 years ago. Just got drawn in. As all the planets are about the same basic orbit, any Meteorite coming in at out level has to get past the others first, and they are spread out so they cover pretty good. Coming in from say above our paths, we have over a 300,000,000 orbit. So to hit us would be quite against the Odds. And if all this fails. It still has God to contend with.

Zandore,

Directing people to the Bible, I knew there was a thread of hope in you.

Ken

I may not be a "scholar" as you claim to be, Ken, but even *I* can see that you make loose associations within Scripture that just aren't there. And now, let the fun begin....


No, what Jesus *was* saying was that NO MAN can add height to his stature simply by *thinking* about it. And if NO MAN can do something so *relatively* simple, then WHY WORRY about harder things. Worry is the antithesis of faith. Duh.


Because, Ken, and please excuse my colloquialism -- it ain't possible!! LOL


Hmm. Funny, seeing as Judas was NEVER saved, therefore, he could NOT have gone to Heaven.


You DO realize that he was saying that they measured the height of the wall in *human* measures....therefore 1 cubit = 18 inches. Not that there was a *wall* of 144 people/angels or whatever it is you're trying to assert. LOL



Well, Ken, now YOU show your TRUE affiliation. Jesus said never to curse. Hmmm.... "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." (Mat. 12:36-37)
Or....
"Let your speech always be gracious." (Colossians 4:6)

Of course, if you think Jesus *is* Satan, then I guess you're all right.


Yeah. So what? Still trying to say God is "The Beast" of Revelation? LOL


Ahh, NO. That was DAVID (the Author of most of Psalms) talking about his enemies here on earth. and the Scripture actually says:
"But in mine adversity they rejoiced, and gathered themselves together: [yea], the abjects gathered themselves together against me, and I knew [it] not; they did tear [me], and ceased not:"
Adding to the Bible is a big no-no, Ken.


Come on, Ken. Jesus doesn't "devour". Satan does.
1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may *devour*:"


Yeah. Wow. All that says is that *some* people who *became* blind and/or dumb were possessed by a devil. But God *also* can CREATE people blind/dumb *from birth*. Doesn't mean that God = devil. Pssht. That would be like saying that because a man who has one arm is possessed, that *all* people with one are are possessed. Flawed logic.


Yeah, and did YOU know that in Job it says: "[Men] shall clap their hands at him, and shall hiss him out of his place." So are we serpents then, too?


Yeah, in other words, "Pay attention to what God is saying, cuz it's important..." Really weak association there, too.


Yes, that was replying to the sign that Moses did. When the Children of Israel were bitten by serpents in the wilderness, God told Moses to hold up the brazen serpent, and WHOEVER looked upon it (in faith, believed by faith that it would heal them), would be healed. He was saying that whoever looked upon Him on the Cross, believing by faith that He was their salvation, would be "healed" from their sins. It's called a metaphor. Ever heard of one? Jesus wasn't saying He WAS a snake. *sigh*
David called himself a worm in Psalms 22. Does that mean he was really a worm?


Can't find that anywhere in my Bible...care to show me the verse?


Okay, understand ONE thing. Revelations was a vision of the way-future. It has nearly nothing to do with Jesus' death, since He was already ascended back into Heaven when John had this vision. Satan knew that after Jesus died, he would have a *relatively* short time to take as many as he could away from God before he (Satan) would be cast into the Bottomless Pit. Of course, you'll find a way to twist this around, too, I'm sure.


Okay two things wrong with this comparison...First...Jesus was using the simile "as" to describe the *swiftness* that Satan fell from Heaven, not that it *looked* like lightning. Second, the word lightning in your second statement is not interpreted as the bolts that come from the "heavens", but as the sun rises from the east. This is what the verse ACTUALLY says: "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (Matthew 24:27 KJV)
Does lightning, as we know it, shine from east to west, all the time? No. But the SUN does. Get some understanding of the CONTEXT of words within the verses, not just the words themselves.

Continued....

Only because I believe in the truth and not what you spew out.If you think that post was bad look at some others of his. I can point them out if you want.



My "Two Tailed Zandore " opinion!

Zandore...

LOL. I've been reading all the posts in various threads here, and from what I see, either he goes to his specific denomination's apologetics page...or I dunno what. I'm currently composing the rest of my post to his "Jesus is Satan" one a few posts back...I knew it was gonna be long.

BTW, I love reading your posts.

~Scarlet~

Scarlet,

I am sure glad someone actually is here that agree with me...

I have not replied to either of his most recent posts because 1 they are too long, and 2 I'm am just tired of discrediting what he says... I am tired of it... But I feel compelled to do it... I understand people having their own beliefs, but understanding him is not a easy thing to do... Then he says things that totally throw a monkey wrench in everything and make it almost impossible to understand him...

just my humble opinion...

LBD
ps~
I liked your post... Most of the stuff sound just like what I would have said... So now I got to change it up... lol

And now....part 2....


Okay...if you read the verses AROUND that one (Mark 3:22-30)...Jesus is saying that He cannot have a devil, like people were accusing Him of...because "a house divided against itself cannot stand..." He was saying just the opposite of what you claim -- that Satan CANNOT cast out Satan. LOL! So, Jesus was telling the people that HE WAS NOT SATAN. Therefore...your whole argument falls apart on that ONE VERSE ALONE.
LOL!!!!


Yeah. It happens right now -- miracles happen in places, and people say they're of God....but they aren't. They are devils doing miracles. What does that have to do with Satan being Jesus?


Ahh. Not really. God said in the beginning that the wages of sin was *death*. Therefore...when Jesus died, and cried out "It is FINISHED", he was telling the world that the debt was paid for...that it was erased for good. Jesus doesn't still bear our sin in Heaven. Our sin was made void by His death on the cross. And when He rose on the 3rd day, He proved further that he conquered sin and death. Therefore, the house is not divided. Try again, though.


Yeah, just as Satan desires to sift us ALL. But it also says in that same verse that Satan had to ask JESUS' permission to do so. Now, how could Jesus/Satan ask Himself for permission for anything?? Flawed again.
Also, Amos was a prophesy about Israel being scattered in 70 A.D., yet their bloodline would remain intact. Again, read the whole verse, not just the part you want.

hmmm...does the Bible say "God only speaks in similtudes, therefore Satan does not exist"? If it does, please, show me where. As far as I know, Satan was previously known as Lucifer, an angel who desired to be equal to God, and was therefore thrown out of Heaven with his followers. Now, he walks around the earth, seeking people to snatch away from God. But hey, maybe he's just a figment of God's imagination....*shrugs*


This is God telling us that He will redeem those who are lost. Where they once didn't believe in God, after they accept the promise (salvation, Heaven, etc.), they will afterward be called the Sons of God. In other words, those who were not a part of the chosen people of God, and who shared no part in the kingdom of God, would now become a part of God's people.


Your point? It's because Jesus took on our sins, and God cannot look upon sin, being perfect.


He was in essence telling them not to call the disciples "Father" w/a capital letter (as people call priests nowadays.). That doesn't mean you can't call your dad "Father." It's about equality with God. God is our "Father", therefore, don't equate a man on earth with God by using the same title. That might be a little confusing...I'll try and clarify later, if someone is confused.



Hmm...same verse (Psalm 36:6) says that his righteousness is LIKE the great mountains. It's another metaphor, explaining that God's bounds are greater than the whole of the earth. Not that God's "seat" is in Hell. The Bible says that God also has a mercy "seat". And if you use your logic...it is in the sky...36:5 "Thy mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; and thy faithfulness reacheth unto the clouds."
The "depths of Satan" are all the horrible, vile acts that Satan and his followers commit -- not an ACTUAL place, per se. With all your use of imagery connecting Jesus with the Beast, you should realize that. You yourself said that Satan might not even be a real person (which, IMO, he is), therefore, his depths might not be a real *tangible* thing, either. See where I'm going with this? Probably not. LOL


Whoa! Where are you GETTING this? My bible says his name was MALCHUS, a servant of the high priest Caiaphas. How do you figure he was an angel? Seeing as how angels cannot be injured by men...his ear could not *possibly* be cut off.
Here's what the verse says:
John 18:10 "Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus." (BTW, Caiaphas' existence as an actual historical figure has been proven...just thought I'd throw that in).

Please, feel free to make up more "Bible knowledge". I find this spark to my intellect very stimulating. LOL

~Scarlet~

Hey LBD!

*waves*

The *only* reason I decided to reply was because I wish to show people that not all "Christians" take verses out of context, etc...like Ken does. Some obviously have the ability to *read* the verses -- not just look up words in a concordance or some such and then form a ridiculous theory around them -- and comprehend what they're actually trying to SAY.

LOL anyway, thanks for your gracious comments. You sound like someone I can really get along with. *grin*

~Scarlet~

PS. -- I have a confrontative nature, and never back down from a challenge *intellectually*, so....couple that with being a Leo, and....yeah.

Scarlet1

Let the Fun begin? Fun is an illusion dreamed up by Children. Same as “Fair”

Can you show me in which thread I CLAIMED to be a Scholar? I remember Antiaging saying that, Not I.

The Cubit answer ended with Duh. But that was the only part I agree with.

If adding a Cubit is not possible, Then it is not possible for a man to love greater then to lay down his life for a friend, YET many do it daily.

(JOHN 15:13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay
down his life for his friends. (KJV)

Many people risk their lives to save someone they do not even know. They added the Cubit, they reached angel status.

And it is Possible because of LOTS OF LOVE.

Judas was never saved? Return with us now to those thrilling days of Yesteryear. The Book of Job rides again:

(JOB 33:22) Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life
to the destroyers. (KJV)

That is seeing Jesus on the Cross:

(JOB 33:23) If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one
among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness: (KJV)
(JOB 33:24) Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him
from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom. (KJV)

That was the prophecy for the one called the Good Thief (Jesus has all iniquity). God offered a pardon if Jesus found one person to stand for Him, the offer is Jeremiah 5:1. So Jesus got a ransom from death, But the one called the Good Thief changed His testimony and reviled Jesus (Matthew 27:44) so the refuge failed. And Jesus with the UNPARDONABLE sin has to DIE to fulfill Scripture.

(PSALMS 142:4) I looked on my right hand, and beheld, but there was
no man that would know me: refuge failed me; no man cared for my soul. (KJV)

(JOB 33:25) His flesh shall be fresher than a child's: he shall
return to the days of his youth: (KJV)
(JOB 33:26) He shall pray unto God, and he will be favourable unto
him: and he shall see his face with joy: for he will render unto
man his righteousness. (KJV)

Jesus from the Cross renders to man His righteousness, Fulfilling Daniel 9:24's making an end of sin, and bringing in everlasting righteousness.

Now, the Lone ranger might have found the Cavendish gang, But Scarlet1 did not find Judas repenting in the next two verses.

(JOB 33:27) He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and
perverted that which was right, and it profited me not; (KJV)
(JOB 33:28) He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and
his life shall see the light. (KJV)

Judas does not go to hell, Jesus delivered him from going down to the PIT.

Judas was doing God’s will, Look who is directing Judas:

(ZECHARIAH 11:13) And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the
potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the
thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house
of the Lord. (KJV)

Judas might have hung Himself (Confessed), Judas might have had his bowels gush out (Spilled his Guts) But Judas had to be still alive in Acts for a dead man can not go to his OWN PLACE.

(ACTS 1:25) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship,
from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. (KJV)

Ezekiel said in that day verse 38:20, Every wall would fall to the ground, Did those with Judas FALL? If God likened them to a wall, they would have to, and they did.

(JOHN 18:6) As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they
went backward, and fell to the ground. (KJV)

Adding to understanding what is Truth is a God sent “go for it.”

Jesus doesn’t DEVOUR?

(HOSEA 13:7) Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard
by the way will I observe them: (KJV)
(HOSEA 13:8) I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her
whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I
devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. (KJV)

You did not check the references too well,

Flawed logic? You did a bit of Bad math. God gives a lot of hints. LOTS of Hints.

So are we serpents too? What did Jesus say concerning this?

(MATTHEW 23:33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye
escape the damnation of hell? (KJV)

By the way, he “HOW” is by Jesus taking away the sin of the World.

Jesus made us Kings and Priests by the face we are in the Body of Christ which is both King and Priest, So GUESS how we are as SERPENTS?

God told Moses to take the Serpent by the TAIL? Now where is Zandore when you need him?

We are also likened to Waters or a Flood the day of the cross, and as to trees planted by the waters. So let’s clap. The day as time periods seen as hands, so putting the time periods together as Clapping their hands.

(PSALMS 98:8) Let the floods clap their hands: let the hills be
joyful together (KJV)

(ISAIAH 55:12) For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with
peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you
into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. (KJV)

God doubles twice to establish His words as Truth the day of the cross.

“Weak association.” Pay attention to what God is saying??? NAW, The Noise, the SOUND. Not the words:

(JOB 37:2) Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound
that goeth out of his mouth. (KJV)

HISS, HISS, HISS, HINT, HINT, HINT.

I go by WEEK Association, Not weak.

(ISAIAH 30:26) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light
of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the
light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach
of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (KJV)

Only the day of the cross can fit this verse in Isaiah. How WEEK is that Concept?

Jesus was not saying He was the Snake, But Jesus was saying what God gave Him to speak, and God was saying it.

David called himself a Worm? Do you know Jesus comes in the Volume of the Book.

Job, get on the horse, we need you over here again:

(JOB 25:6) How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man,
which is a worm? (KJV)

Jonah is a Similitude for Jesus the day of the cross, Nineveh is a city of three days journey (day of the cross as 3 pictures) Jonah enters one days Journey. Good to be angry unto death, day as 3 pictures, 1=anger, 2=fury, 3=wrath. Gourd is Death (1-Kings 40:39/40) Shadow of death is pleasant after the Suffering the day of the cross, Jesus as a WORM smites the Gourd or ends death. Weeds wrapped around Jonah’s head in the whale is the Crown of thorns for Jesus.

The Verse which shows Jesus had to ALLOW Himself to be taken:

(JOHN 10:18) No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of
myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it
again. This commandment have I received of my Father. (KJV)

No man could take Jesus, He had to willingly cast himself down, or allow the 144 with Judas, the Angels given charge over Him to take Him, Afflict Him, and in their hands, Bear Him up on a cross at Golgotha.

The temptation is Jesus taken to the day of the cross and shown what will happen, Guess WHO is asking Jesus to cast Himself down???

John had the Vision of Revelation in about 79 ad, But John is in the Spirit on the Lord’s day. Or John is seeing the day of the cross.

Why would I twist. If it is a Bottomless pit, No problem. But did you ever see a pit without a bottom? UNLESS? It is like a Peach pit, A seed which had to fall into the Ground and die before it brought forth fruit. When it sprouts, the PIT is Opened, and the Sides of the pit are seen. Has the SMOKE cleared yet? Can you see the PIT?

When Jesus takes them all out of hell, it is as smoke lifting up: and they are all in the Body of Christ, like LOCUSTS.

(ISAIAH 9:18) For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour
the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the
forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke. (KJV)

(NAHUM 3:15) There shall the fire devour thee; the sword shall cut
thee off, it shall eat thee up like the cankerworm: make thyself
many as the cankerworm, make thyself many as the locusts. (KJV)

(ISAIAH 26:19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body
shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy
dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. (KJV)

Touchy touchy? They both are seen as Lightning,

(LUKE 17:24) For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one
part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so
shall also the Son of man be in his day. (KJV)

One part of Heaven shows Jesus as Lightning, and the other part which it shinneth to is to see that Satan also comes as Lightning. His days as Heaven. So the third heaven is sunrise to noon, the words heard not lawful for a man to speak is Jesus saying He is the Son of the Blessed. They rent their clothes and all said He is guilty of Death.

Ken

[quote]
I read what others are writing here. Some tell me I am going to hell, that is a Threat.
[/quote]
Who has said this to you? Not me...

[quote]
Strange, God is the FATHER of my Grandchildren.
[/quote]
Do you try not to make any sense?

[quote]
“But WE are men” is not a fact, it is an opinion to one, and false doctrine to another, which forms WE.
[/quote]
Are you a monkey? Are you a tree? No, you are a man, the same as all the rest of us...

[quote]
(LUKE 12:25) And which of you with taking thought can add to his
stature one cubit? (KJV)
(LUKE 12:26) If ye then be not able to do that thing which is
least, why take ye thought for the rest? (KJV)
[/quote]
Scarlet explained this very nicely...

[quote]
God’s phone number is not an unlisted one. And He is never too busy to pick it up and speak to you. Ask Him.
[/quote]
Perhaps you should do the same...

[quote]
Close, Satan is a name for the Word of God.
[/quote]
What?!? How can you say that? Oh yeah... You have said already that Jesus=666 anyways...

Satan is a liar... Gods word is truth to us christians... How could you say that?

[quote]
(1KINGS 22:22) And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said,
I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all
his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade {him}, and prevail
also: go forth, and do so. (KJV)
[/quote]
What are you trying to say with this verse? That God said he would lie? God does not lie, and thats one of the basis of the entire christian faith...

[quote]
By the way, Job is Jesus Christ
[/quote]
How about this... Job is Job, and Jesus is Jesus... Ever thought of that one?

[quote]
God speaks plainly? Then PETER is SATAN?

(MATTHEW 16:23) But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind
me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the
things that be of God, but those that be of men. (KJV)
[/quote]
How about this...
He is tell Peter to get behind him because he would be a shield against Satan... Just think about it..

[quote]
(JOHN 14:24) He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the
word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (KJV)
[/quote]
Again what are you trying to prove with this verse?

[quote]
The name Devil means “The Living God.”
[/quote]
You really believe this?I don't understand how you have come to this conclusion, but really.... Come on...

[quote]
? I am crazy? A Fruitcake? I remember both of those things were requirements on the application God gave me to fill out.
[/quote]
Really? You got hustled then buddy... You signed a deal with someone else, and not God... God gave me a brain, and intelligence, and wisdom, and faith... Through all those things I find the truth...
I do not conform God to me, I conform to him... I don't see what I want to see, I see what he shows me...

[quote]
(MATTHEW 7:16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather
grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (KJV)
[/quote]
I believe I pointed out this verse to you before...
Do men gather up your message like it was a good fruit? Or do they avoid it because it has thorns? I think we know that answer to that one...

[quote]
I did not say Jesus never called Joseph Father, I said Jesus said to call no man Father, But He did say to the Jews “You are of your FATHER The Devil,”
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But you leave big parts out, parts that need to be heard to understand it...
Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me - John 8:42

[quote]
I hope the Good Christians are starting to see a PATTERN here:
[/quote]
I think they are seeing the pattern zandore was refereing to...

[quote]
“The Lusts of your Father will you do.” Did you know GOD wanted the Jewish People to offer Jesus upon the Cross?
[/quote]
Well duh... Jesus came to Earth to die for us...

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“Murderer from the Beginning” Did you know under God’s law every man would be put to death for HIS OWN SIN.
[/quote]
Are you accusing your God of murder? God hands out justice... God is not a murderer...

[quote]
So Jesus had to have the sins as if He had committed them, that is why God could not look upon Jesus on the cross. And that is the BEGINNING. So He is a Murderer from the Beginning, and if you were to offer your son a Human Sacrifice what would you be charged with?
[/quote]
The only beginning that is, is the beginning of our salvation... Do not twist the words to try and prove your point, do not liken God to Satan you only dig yourself into a bigger hole...

[quote]
“Abode not in Truth” Truth did not enter the World or was not established as Truth till the day of the cross when all is fulfilled and established as truth by showing it as three pictures.
[/quote]
Excuse me? Truth has always been...

[quote]
“Father of Lies” is that all prophecies are lies till fulfilled, that is they lying Spirit God sent, but when those lies are fulfilled, the LYING Spirit then is established as the Spirit of Truth.
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I don't not agree... A lie is something not true... A prophesy is something that can't be called a lie or truth, until it happens... The logic is flawed...

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As soon as you are told that Satan means the word of God, Immediately all that you have heard you toss away.
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Of course it gets tossed away... If you started drinking a bottle, then looked at it and it was clearly labeled poison would you continue to drink it? Don't think so...

[quote]
(ISAIAH 11:6) The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the
leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young
lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. (KJV)
[/quote]
Once again you are switching up the context of the whole thing...
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves - Matthew 7:15
All that means is they will look one way, but be another... They will look innocent, but get to close and they will tear you apart...

[quote]
The Wolf is God, the Wolf Scatters the Sheep, that is God saying “Smite the Shepherd and the Sheep shall be scattered.”
[/quote]
I don't think so...



You leave so much open, your whole case is filled with holes...

all of this is just my humble opinion...

LBD

Ken, I have two words for you ------ ready? Get your humorous little analogies out, so you can make up a clever response.....

The words are ........ FAULTY ASSOCIATIONS. By taking verses that show similar characteristics between Satan and God, you attempt to show how they are in fact, the SAME person. When, in fact......LOL.....THEY ARE NOT.

You read the verse about cubits, and say, "there, God says we can add cubits to ourselves and become as angels...." When in fact, any NORMAL human being can see that Jesus is saying the exact opposite. There is no passage in the Bible that states that we become angels when we die. Angels were a SEPARATE creation. If we were to become angels at death, then it would not be resurrection, but *reincarnation*. Sorry. Try again.


Here you go again, trying to say that God is sounding like a serpent....tell me, do serpents have a "VOICE"? No. The "noise of his voice" means just that -- the sound of his voice -- implying that there are WORDS being spoken, not just "hisses". You still have no argument here.



Ahhh, actually, it fits the vision of the Tribulation. Read Revelation.

And as for Judas: The Bible clearly indicates that Judas was not saved. Jesus Himself said of Judas, “The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be *better for him if he had not been born*” (Matt 26:24). The Lord Jesus calls him a devil (John 6:70) and labels him the son of perdition (John 17:12), which means the one who is damned. When Judas died, Luke said (Acts 1:25) that he *fell* and went to "his own place". If he fell, how could he then "rise" to heaven? Oh, I know...he added a cubit. LOL LOL!
Still don't believe me? The Bible says in John 13 "And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly," Now, how can Satan enter a believer? He can't...the Bible says in 1 John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."

Nope. Sorry. Judas isn't in Heaven.

I'd love to divulge more into this *ahem* discussion...but I have kids to feed dinner to. I'll pick up again later, you can be sure.

~Scarlet~

Thank you Scarlet.
Hey every one I got fan mail.

LBD is one you can get along with, I do and I am a NB. I know that not all Christians think like ken and realised that he takes things out of context and twist them to suit his way of thinking. In one post he stated that the great flood "did not happen", Yet another He said that he could not bring himself down to the level of man and "He wanted to be like God". I can show them to you if you want.
My "Two Tailed Zandore" Opinion!

tell me, ken, if jesus is satan, how is it that jesus was tempted by satan? and again, if jesus is job, how is it that satan caused the affliction of job? tell me that. im sorry but u really need to actually read the bible instead of copy/pasting from a website. the scripture is the one and only truth, not the internet.

He copies and pastes from his own web page.

oh, go figure

Lightbeyondthedark.

Don’t mind the word threat. I am using it like it is a possibility of going to hell. Like change or else.

God is my Father, God is the Father of my wife, God is the Father of my Mother, and God is also the Father of my Grandchildren. For there is one Father. And consider that when Jesus told them they were of their Father the Devil.

Jesus reverenced the name Father in Matthew 23:9. Telling us not to use this for daily people calling, But that it belongs to God.

(MATTHEW 23:9) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one
is your Father, which is in heaven. (KJV)

And to use this Name only in reference to God gets us in the habit of seeing how close we are to God.

I know I live because of God. Mankind might reproduce, But this is just how God set it up. He is responsible for our existence, each and every one of us.

God likened us to trees planted by the River of Waters, So we can be AS Trees, as SHEEP which went astray, And I WAS A man, But God showed me what adding the cubit is, and what I was, is gone, I am an angel, If it bothers you, I can not help that. I am telling it the way God showed me.

(PSALMS 50:23) Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that
ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God. (KJV)

I do not need to phone God, We have a INDWELLING communication system.

I have showed you the references for my concept that Satan is a name which means the Word of God. Satan desires to sift Peter. That is Amos 9:9. And I gave you a lot more, But if you can not get the easy one? Why take thought for the rest? Sounds like a CUBIT, doesn’t it.

God sent a Lying Spirit in 1-Kings 22:21/24. That is all the prophecies are lies till fulfilled. Which was the day of the cross, Or do you have your own idea why God was involved in using a lying spirit to have King Ahab go up and die in Battle?

Scripture shows God killed two of Judah’s sons for being evil, He did not have to send a lying spirit to get the job done.

The meaning would have to be searched out as in the original writings, But it would have to be “Get thee behind Me.” which would be the end of the sentence to Peter, then directing the rest to Satan which would start a new Sentence “Satan, Thou art and offence unto Me, Etc.”

But I don’t think you can get by with that. Jesus is seeking a pardon, He needs one person. Peter looked like the best prospect to get it. Jesus likened Peter to a rock, which might have been to bypass, Smite the Shepherd and the SHEEP shall be scattered.

The Words which Jesus spoke were what God gave Jesus to speak, And they might have been to anyone, even Jesus Himself. And as God speaks through us, we need to listen to our own words, For God’s word does not return void. The message can be to the Speaker as well at to whom is being spoken to.

I listed the Verses which show this, that is how I came up with it, For this FITS. There are too many hints about this concept. It all goes together, It is offensive, But God uses that which is.

(PSALMS 99:3) Let them praise thy great and terrible name; for it
is holy. (KJV)

I was called Crazy and a Fruitcake. And I did just as Jesus said to do:

(MATTHEW 5:25) Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art
in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to
the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be
cast into prison. (KJV)

And it also ends a lot of strife. Because they sometimes see that names are not being offensive as they hoped.

(PSALMS 119:165) Great peace have they which love thy law: and
nothing shall offend them. (KJV)

My message has Thorns? So does the ROSE OF SHARON.

I did not leave out part of what Jesus was saying, I have said that the Devil is God’s Holy name, and that God hid that from Jesus, He was as blind from seeing it.

Jesus was taken to the Wilderness or the day of the cross to be tempted, and It is God asking Jesus to do these things which He also HAS TO DO. Jesus did not “Agree with
Thy adversary.” in the Temptation, Did He?

So Jesus is given 42 months to continue, Jesus not knowing who the name Devil applies to:

(REVELATION 13:5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking
great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to
continue forty and two months. (KJV)
(REVELATION 13:6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God,
to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in
heaven. (KJV)
God is not a murderer? God shows things in many ways. Most on this thread have no Problem seeing God as a Murderer, And the Scriptures shows God slaying a lot of people.

(DEUTERONOMY 32:39) See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no
god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither
is there any that can deliver out of my hand. (KJV)

I am digging myself into a deeper hole? Many soldiers which they had, when the shooting started. But I like to go as deep as I can,

(PSALMS 36:6) Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy
judgments are a great deep: O Lord, thou preservest man and beast. (KJV)

Now if you do not know the DEPTHS of Satan, God will put on you no other Burden, FOR you can not handle more till you get past the Judgment of Christ and what happened there.

(REVELATION 2:24) But unto you I say, and unto the rest in
Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not
known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none
other burden. (KJV)


Lover of God:

I copy and paste from my web site, which I wrote. So it is from me. And the web site is more detailed by having the references written out. As many do not look up references.

Satan is a name for the Word of God, That is the way I see it, So from that point of view, God’s word which says “He shall give Him angels charge over Thee.” is old Testament prophecy. Means He has to do this. The Temptation part is Jesus does not want to drink of that cup. He is asking God if there is another possible way.

All temptations are not evil. We can be tempted with doing good as well. God tempted Abraham. It appeared as Evil, But it was to show Abraham more then it was to show God who know how Abraham would react anyway.

Go figure? Is that like adding Exodus 4:11 to Isaiah 45:11 and the two elevens add up to Matthew 12:22?

Ken

Matthew 10:14 [I](KJV)
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
And what is Jesus telling you to here? Or don't you do as Jesus tells you to do?

Zandore.

The day of the cross is as a house built, It is the Body of Christ which is where we all dwell. Even the heathen given Jesus in Psalms 2:8.

So I am in the house, You are in the House, Aldolf Hitler is in the house, We are all ONE, So there is no leaving.

Now that means you are stuck with me, and I am stuck with you for eternity, and God and Jesus is the Super glue. NOW, Would you like to battle daily for the first ten thousand years or what?

Now after both our earthly bodies are gone, a lot of the arguments betwen us will not be a barrier any more. I know you will enjoy the Bible studies there.

Ken

Ken, what is it like to be lost in a world of fairy tales - just a question, I'm curious how anyone can let a myth take over their life, forgoing this existence on the off-chance (with no proof at all) that the myth is true and you will have an eternal existence ! Not logical to me.

mako, whats it like to be lost in a world of logic - just a question...
You call it a myth, thats fine, but to others its not... The myth part is just you opinion....
And you say there is no proof... Well that may be true to extent, but almost every believing person I know has some kind of personal proof from which their faith stems from...
I have lived a mighty hard life... Many things have happened that I couldn't explain... After all I have been through, and all I have seen, and all I have felt, to me its illogical not to believe in God...

just my humble opinion...

LBD

ken I had a Great Uncle on my Mothers side that was a Nazi General. He defected when Hitler came to power. I remember him saying that Hitler was like the antichrist. No Hitler is not in Heaven.This means I got to revise my list of why I don't believe. Thanks a lot. Listen very close "OR WHAT" is my answer! I enjoy laughing at you now.

Sorry I forgot something on my other posts.
My "Two Tailed Zandore" opinion!
There thats better.

answer - mighty fine, no crutchs needed, no meetings to go to, I love it!


That is only a feeling that might or might not have been indigestion....face it there is no proof your belief system is even viable or even more viable than any other, it it (as you put it) just your personal opinion!

Again, Mako please read the guidelines pinned at the top of the 'Spirituality and Skepticism' forum before posting in this section again.

that, my friend is why it is called FAITH!! in order to have faith you have to believe.. there is no "viable" evidence of any "theoretical" origin of life on this planet, nor is there any "viable" evidence against the truth of christianity, just theories made by scientists that are two scared to accept the truth, who, funny as it may be, believed in christ, most, and denounced their theory on their deathbed, which many people do- atheist and skeptic alike. i know, ive been there before. hopefully one day, mako, u will open ur heart to God, just one time, and talk to Him. i promise if u truly open ur heart, you will be touched and forever changed.
just my thoughts.
LOG

Where did you read this at?

true or false, most scientists believed in christ either throughout their lives, or at some point in their lives? and didnt darwin denounce his theory on his deathbed? ill find where i found others and post later.

but, zandore, i do have to apologize to evolutionists, because i got angry at what mako posted earlier. and i just have a question to NB's out there, why do some of u get all mad and insulting toward christians when we talk about things?

Most people believe in some sort of religion at some point in their lives.I read something about that on this forum.OK! You don't to me. I did not take offence to anything.I would say about the same things you "Christians" get mad about.

WAIT!
why not go ahead, while you are on the subject, apologize for all the evil that has been foisted on the rest of us by xianity.
let's begin with persecution of the jews-the xians lost very little time after taking over what was left of the roman empire.
then we continue with the crusades
let's not forget witch burning.
the inquisition
please do not snap back with accusations against the catholic church-a xian is a xian, no matter what flavor.
and by the way, "creationism"
if you have read this far, i must state that many other religions have oppressed those of other faiths.
and where did you read about darwin's recanting?in the book of revelations?

Sorry, this is just a Christian urban legend. I forget the name of the lady that orignated it. She had visited Darwin a day or two before he died, but wasn't there when he actually passed. His daughter (who was at his bedside) denied his denouncement, stating that the lady was basically lying for her religion, that her father did not at anytime denounce his theory and advocated it up to his death....Just another attempt to skew the evidence in their favor by certain unscrupulous individuals!

by the way, whose left hand is itching?

Gideon Mage !

well, Darwin was a believer, wasnt he?

thats funny, the revelation thing. hahaha
anyway. persecution of jews? haha. yes, people do wrong things in jesus' name, but people do bad stuff regardless of religion. there are people out there that become CHRISTians without putting their heart into it. ive actually read of darwin's recanting in many sources that i will post when i get home, i dont have the info here at school.

let's examine xianity in it's own terms---
"you shall judge a tree by the fruit it bears"
read the list in my other posting
witch burnings, persecution of jews and others, the inquisition-these ARE the "fruits" of xianity-have you even read the gospels?
jesus said he was not here to start anything new, especially not a new religion.
please actually read the new testament someday.god bless you

It would seem to me that the daughter that tended her father for his entire illness would be the final authority on wheither he recanted or not....not some "authorities" that have a religious axe to grind....but then you will believe what you want, not what the daughter recorded! Go Figger.....

Based on the bloody history of Christianity, there must have been more of those than the "true" Christians!

i would love to meet a true xian, someday-haven't met one yet

hi mage, my name is mike. you met one.
u know deist, if u say the woman that recorded the recant lied for her religion, maybe the daughter did for his credibility. nobody knows. all i know is my experience. being an ex-atheist ive seen a lot of my friends die, used to be in a gang, and when they were on their deathbed, they'd almost always cry for help from God. or for forgiveness. just my exp.

With respect to your dead friends it could have been the fear of death that made them call out to God.

There is no athiest in a fox hole.

Just another way of putting it.

maybe. but regardless, if you are going to fear death, why call upon a God u dont believe exists?? why have hope in something you are against?

sigh i guess you didnt read my statement before
according to jesus himself, there shouldnt be any xians.
the law is not to be changed
when he said "i and my father are one"
he meant that he was not god, just like you might say "i and my family are one"
or "i and my gang are one"
what he never said, was " i am god and i created this universe" because he didn't, wasn't, and didn't claim to be.
so you are a follower of paul, constantine and theodosius,
but not a xian.there are none...

I have to agree with zadore, I spent 24 years as professional military; been in three seperate "shooting matches" and seen a buncha folks of all types (enemy and friend) die. Christians like to say there are no Atheists in foxholes, to which I say Male Bovine Manure! I have found most troops in combat, after seeing their best friends blown to bits, become Atheists with a capital A! The fear of death (at first) might cause them to "look for God" but after a couple of friends die, all they want to do is cuss God! I have found that those who say there is no Atheist in a fox hole has probably never been in one!