If I am not mistaken Job was true and loyal right? What did God do to him just to prove a point to Satan?

True... But God only took away from Job things of this Earth...

The things that are eternal are those that matter...

LBD

But just to prove a point? Jobs sons, wife and all he owned.

If god does not break his promises then can somebody clear up this for me.

God promised the savior will be of Davids seed, But we all know despite the geneology connected to Jesus the Bible say he is the son of God.

Which one is it.

Born of a virgin mother.

So then God can break a promise.

I have to let a believer answer that one.

All he owned was nothing compared to how much Job loved God...
And even though he lost his sons and wife, he kept his faith in God... He understood that it all happened for a reason, Gods reasons, whatever they may be...
He is the son of God... But his Earthly father Joseph is descended from David...
Ken think Jesus is Davids son reincarnated as Jesus, I don't think that though...

Yes...
Its what is called a leap of faith...

He could if he wanted, I am sure...
But he wont...
And I think that simply because I trust God...

LBD

Zandore,

I do read the posts of others to a certain degree, I do not go into subjects of which I have no interest, unless something catches my attention. I do not go on a search of each person who post either. It sounded like Satan worship. I just wanted some clarification. I still have not got any.

Gideon.

That is a cute interpretation. I have heard it many times before. That it was a young maid, or as you say, a Young woman. What a GREAT SIGN. To have a young maid conceive. Must happen a thousand times a day in Israel. And God is going to give an EVERYDAY occurrence as a SIGN. Please take two pennies, Place them on your head, take a hammer, and drive some sense into yourself.

What would be next? A jaywalker is struck by a car?

Learning Hebrew would be great if you can learn in the years the verses were spoken, Now is a bit more of a guess at what the real meanings were. That is why God spoke in Similitudes and multiplied visions, Looking at the same thing, many times in many ways.

When a person dies, or if God takes home a million. They that died before Calvary were as in sleep till Jesus died for sin, Those after Calvary are alive with God when absent from the Body. Hell ended the third day. All those He killed, He also gave a bus ticket to heaven dated for Good Friday, 29 ad. Now, no tickets are needed, He comes and gets you immediately.


Consummate.

Scripture talks about God’s anger, His fury, His wrath, But they are three pictures for the day of the cross, Not attributes of a Loving God. When God’s fury is poured out, It is looking at the second picture or Jesus in hell. Like a man who goes into a far country to receive a Kingdom and return.


Zandore,

Cute. Telling Gideon “LETS”? Does that not mean “Let US”, If you can list the Bible as Crap in your Signature, will you find fault with Gideon?


Consummate. Here is the answer to your “WHY” :
Why would someone who forms galaxies, star systems, solar systems and planets be angered by the actions of a small clan of some race of primates on an obscure backwater planet in an average solar system on the edge of a mundane galaxy?


Because that SOME RACE OF PRIMATES what made a bit special by the That Former of Galaxies. But creating mankind in His Image, and wanting an eternal relationship with each and every one of us.

And as far as can be proved, this obscure backwater planet is the only one God created life on.

God wanted to show Himself to the World, He chose the Jews to do that. Then moved them into Egypt and showed all that were gathered there. Then into Babylon, etc, and showed His wonders and His powers again, as He was bringing this backwater planet into a relationship with Himself.

And even more, He not only took an interest in the Jews, He takes interest in each and every person on earth, Past, present, future and Consummate Deist.

Zandore,

Do you realize you speak as a believer? You speak as if God is. “Or did He just forget about us?” How could someone who does not exist forget?

What IF God said to seek My Face, Seek My Name, and is waiting for mankind to do as He asked?

God does what HE WANTS, But being a loving God, and being a responsible God, He does what is RIGHT. He knowing many things which we do not know which effects those things He is doing.

Job is a similitude for the day of the cross, the day as seven time periods as seven sons, The day as three pictures as three daughters. The wind comes out of the wilderness (day of the cross as a house built) and smites the four corners of the House. Or the first picture as 4 6-hour periods.

God glorified Job to all mankind. God used Job to teach mankind many valuable lessons. God used Job to show many things we would have never seen about the day of the cross. God used Job to help us learn about God Himself.

(JOB 42:8) Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven
rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt
offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I
accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not
spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job. (KJV)

Good and Bad happen to a lot of people, It is how we handle that. That is what we have as a memorial to live with, He can strike back, or take it out of love. But regardless, We will never forget how we did react.

As far as the Scriptures: the Book of Job is a best seller.

Super Pancake.

Jesus is David’s son by physical birth, Jesus is God’s Son by decree, His Mother is Bathsheba, His Surrogate Mother is Mary.

Promise to David:

(2SAMUEL 7:12) And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep
with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall
proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:13) He shall build an house for my name, and I will
stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. (KJV)
(2SAMUEL 7:14) I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he
commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with
the stripes of the children of men: (KJV)

(EZEKIEL 16:3) And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy
birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an
Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite. (KJV)

(PSALMS 2:6) Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. (KJV)
(PSALMS 2:7) I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me,
Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee. (KJV)

(PSALMS 89:35) Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie
unto David. (KJV)
(PSALMS 89:36) His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as
the sun before me. (KJV)

PEOPLE? Since when did Job lose His wife?????

Ken

No, God gave everything back in the end 3 times what Job had in the first place, on this Earth and made the ones who were preaching to him be subordinate to him. God did not and does not break promises. God made kings too, and destroyed others.

You don't read close enough then. No it is not. I do not believe in God or Satan. If I did it would be my belief and none of your concern. Israel must be over run with little kids! I say you should take your own advice and get some sense hammered in. This is how you are reading the Bible.Right and who is to say yours is the right way? The ones involved are in the wrong place to say (YOU). My signature if you read says your "maniacal Biblical ramblings" as crap not the "Bible" and no I will not find fault with Gideon. So you do admit that God is a primate. If you would read the news you would see that might be changed here soon.
You have no concept beyond the end of your nose. If it is not about how you see God you can not understand what a conversation is about. In an earlier sentence you said:
Contradictions! Numbers again? You stated that you did not believe in numbers? Contradictions! So then Jesus was not Gods only begotten son by this statement then.

Job received double that which He had, and He again had seven sons and three daughters as He had before.

(JOB 1:3) His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three
thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred
she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the
greatest of all the men of the east. (KJV)

(JOB 42:12) So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his
beginning: for he had fourteen thousand sheep, and six thousand
camels, and a thousand yoke of oxen, and a thousand she asses.
(KJV)

(JOB 42:13) He had also seven sons and three daughters. (KJV)


God promise to bring the Children of Israel into the promise land when they came out of Egypt. So Explain this:

(NUMBERS 14:33) And your children shall wander in the wilderness
forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted
in the wilderness. (KJV)
(NUMBERS 14:34) After the number of the days in which ye searched
the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your
iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of
promise. (KJV)

Only two men of the original people entered the Promise land, Joshua and Caleb.

But the day of the cross they did enter the promise land, they entered into Christ.


Zandore?

That was not your post, You are not a spool. This thread does not revolve around you. (Cute?)

Even Lover of God asked the same question I did, Who was the “True God” that was being referred to. Remember the one who would rather kiss Satan’s butt then to worship a Blood soaked God? He is the one I wondered, if they were into Satan worship, and that being the way the world today sees it.

You can keep all the Secrets you want, BUT? If you write them on this Forum, this is open for discussion. It is called an Open forum for a reason. Open for anyone to comment on.

Israel is all children (Of God). A thousand a day is a small number for an entire nation on earth.

I am reading the Bible with an eyewitness to the events which knows exactly the real meaning for each word, each concept each jot and tittle. It is the Holy Spirit tutor which comes with each Bible, Just open you heart and start receiving.

How you determine if another is telling you the truth is best begun by Searching the Scriptures if these things be true. The Holy Spirit will lead you unto the Truth, But you have to go in and search. He will work with you, If your not interested, Neither is He in your learning, He will be available when you seek with your whole heart.

(ACTS 17:11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in
that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and
searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (KJV)

You added the Maniacal Biblical ramblings AFTER. That was your signature before I mentioned it.

If God used primates? Of If God did not use primates does not matter to me. It is the Soul He put within mankind, I was using the phrase of that person. Not witnessing to my belief in monkeys.

I don’t read too much news, It seems to change Daily. And most of the Stories are not all that searched out before it is taken to print.

Your right, I do not have any concept beyond the end of my nose, they are just behind it.

Zandore, Maybe you better go back and read that. I said they were pictures for the day of the cross, they are not Attributes of a loving God. Not pictures of an Angry God, or a furious God, or a wrathful God.

The Numbers I was talking about was using the number of people to determine what is truth and what is not, I referred to the Buddhist. Being more then Christians, and they do not believe in Christ. But their number means nothing, One can be right and 5 billion wrong. I just depends on what is Truth, and who sees it.

The day of the cross is the day of the BIRTH (Begotten) of the Body of Christ seen in Psalms 2:6/7.

Ken

STRANGELY ENOUGH THE EXPLANATION IS FOUND IN ISAIAH
i dont have the chapter-look it5 up
speaking as god, he says "abraham my friend whom i have chosen"
get it? a friend, like a dog or any lesser being We might choose
god loved abraham like yo9u might like a favorite poodle,
and you would make sure that poodle would reproduce, and you would follow that poodle's descendants..get it now?
abraham, for whichever reason, somehow touched god's heart as a friend...
that is why the jews have a special place in this kennel.
he might love the other breeds, but the seed of his prize poodle, the jews, would always be special, even when he was busy with other breeds from time to time

But as your Bible says God did it to prove a point to Satan. God is supposed to be all powerful. ???There is no "True God"What secrets? Anytime I want to say something to someone I PM or email them. I told you several times "No Thank You". What part of the word NO don't you understand?That might work for you but I read body language to see if some one is telling me the truth.PS....I am fairly good at it. No I added "To Ken" after ask anyone on this forum. Ask a MOD they should have a record of it being added and when it was changed. Careful of your words. Like other things on this forum right. Where? No you said you did not believe in numbers.

GIDEON MAGE
Woah Woah Woah!!!!!!!!!

God favors a certain breed of people (Jews) what if I convert I would not be a seed of abraham, would god love me more. What happened to God loving us equally or the fact all men are created equally.

Sorry I find this to funny.

What I find ludicrous is that the beliefs expounded by our Christian friends here is not based on their personal reasoning, but on the reasoning of a group of men that have been dead for 2000 to 3000 years. Reasoning that has no evidence to support it other than itself....Now that is what you call circular! At least my question and point was my own and not backed by unsubstantiated myths and legends of an ancient people. - CD

That is a perspective I never thought of before.
good point CD

Zandore.

I will repeat this again, You were not the person I was talking to. I was not referring to you when I questioned if the one who posted worshiped Satan. You are not the one who said they would rather kiss Satan’s butt.

That person said they worshiped the “True God” not a Blood soaked God. So both lover of God and I asked the same question, Which God they were referring to? Who to them was the “True God.”?

And Zandore, We really did not what to debate there is a True God, we want to know whom they are referring to. Then maybe we can address it then. But we need to know what was said in their mind.

You might have told me no, many times, But AGAIN, You are not the only one reading this thread, I do not just address you when I speak. I might address what you said, But I am addressing it to all the readers in this forum.

Is watching the Body language on a computer, anything like talking with your hands over the telephone?


Consummate Deist.

Sorry, But not as logical as you implied. For you are assuming they are speaking legends and unsubstantiated myths, But Moses wrote the first 5 books of what is now mainly accepted as the Old Testament, Many of those things written He would have been eyewitness to. And an eyewitness which had a front row seat. An eyewitness which is recorded as speaking to God, Face to face.

And there are over 40 prophets which all told of the coming of a Messiah in some form or another, all recording events which He would fulfill to the jot and tittle. Hundreds of events. Over 1500 years the writings were being recorded, then stopped 400 years before Jesus was laid in a manger in Bethlehem.

The Jewish nation, Alive and well. Bear witness to the books which we call the Old Testament exist, they have their own copies, that they existed in 400 “BCE”. Or Before the Common Era. As they will not use “BC” Before Christ. And that they were not changed to fit Jesus.

It is the Books of the Old Testament which shows there is a God by His ability to have over 40 prophets inspired to predict in detail the events of one day, when Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Which shows there is a God, and Jesus is who God sent. That Jesus is that Messiah the Jewish Nation is waiting for , and that they would not see Him as the Messiah till 2029 ad.

Many of the prophecies have yet to be seen by most of the Church, Many was not even seen by the Disciples as events which had to be fulfilled, So they could not have just fulfilled what they thought was written, for they would have missed a lot of them.

Ken

Sorry but you best check with your (Christian) scholars, they are in agreement with other scholars that the 5 books of Moses are written by several different authors and editors....this is based on writing style and word usage. The time period of writing (again based on word usege - certain words come into use at certain times) of the five books was around 600 BCE (about 600 years after Moses)

This is how the post looked:If I was mistaken sorry, You should have said the persons name and not had some one elses right before. I still stand on what I said in the post.No you look at their posts and "read them" so when they make contradicting statements.... Well....Have you thought that perhaps that is the way he sees the Bible? What he states in his posts, In other words his opinion.

Thank you Mako.

I have said several times that my beliefs and my faith stem from personal experiences...

LBD

As I have stated several times....Heaven and/or Hell is only what we make it to be.

Ok... Thats what you believe... And I'm cool with that...


LBD

Actually, what is amazing is, that, even though the New Testament, written by the Council of Constantinople, four hundred years after jesus supposedly lived, managed to go through their Greek translations of the hebrew scriptures with a fine-tooth comb, to ensure that jesus "fulfilled" all these "prophecies" were still, still, unable to convince the jews.even through 2000 years of persecutions, inquisitions, and other ways of trying to force feed your religion down the throats of the jews, guess what? they don't buy your lies.and i pray to god i live past 2029 C.E. to laugh at your pitiful wallowing. jesus told the multitude he would be back "before this generation passes away" whoops-he boobooed, and you take the traditional, sorry, xian escape. "oh, this or that prediction just hasn't happened yet" or, it's just symbolic" or "a day meant a year" sorry, can't buy it. didn't work 2000 years ago.won't work now.find a real god.dispense with lies.be free.jesus didnt come back then, won't be back in 2029.sorry.

i guess you haven't read isaiah

Gideon could you please show a little respect for religion. I agree with your stance but to be credible we (Us NBs) need to show a little restraint.

Thanks my friend!

sorry, i guess it was something that didn't happen yet, was symbolic, or was a day that was really a year...i was severly abused by xians all my life, who tried to shove it down my throat-like in genesis...clearly, the writer of adam and eve story intended the tempter in the garden to be an actual S N A K E- just like native americans who chronicle how, for example, the man met the rabbhit, or the deer..
the xians would say, no, you are wrong, it was satan, a symbol for satan...my response was "o, so the crucifiction and ressurrection is a SYMBOL, then, right?
the answer---"no, that was real" for which i would counter, then adam and eve met a talking serpent. then their response was no, that was a symbol....apparently, when you are baptized, you get magical powers to distinguish symbolism from "the truth" HA I THINK NOT.

zandor, please keep in mind that these are people who believe that, if you don't join their religion, a little man in a red suit will burn and torture your soul for all time!and what is a NB? please?

Thank you for the restraint Gideon.ONLY IF THAT IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE will it happen. For me? NB Non Believer.

zandor, you are most welcome, but i think honestly i was ranting and raving with my horrible childhood memories. i was really wondering what an n.b. was, i'm new to this site.i refuse to define myself by anyone else's terms, i am not a xian, i am not a non-anything, i have my own mind and am not sure what i'm not supposed to believe in.my parents were both atheists (my 80 y.o. mother being still alive), but raised us to think independantly.i was the radical son who studied religion, occultism, etc. to give an example, when my father died, and they let us into hospital room, my mother said to him "if there is a heaven you are on the way there"--that was about the best she could do.you didn't ask, but my approach is to be logical.i do not believe in belief...only when it makes sense.for example, when moses went up the mountain, he saw SOMETHING, we don't really know what, but it changed him, and made him write down some things, which seem very spiritual, if u read them carefully.a lot of what "jesus" said makes sense, and a lot of it doesnt.i only accept the logical.what xians say, however, doesn't even come close to his teachings that i have read in the n.t., so i don't know WHO is THEIR god, but it's not the one yeheshuah ben yosef is preaching about, not even close.have a blessed day

Mako.

Cute story. If that was true, then all the rest of the Old Testament had to be doctored up also. For the laws were mentioned throughout the old Testament writers. That would mean everything before the taking away to Babylon had to be made up, All those prophets, King David. The promises.

The five books were about 600 bc? 600 years after Moses? That places Moses in about 1200 bc. There is a missing three hundred years. Put Moses about 1500 bc. And try this story to someone else. Not buying this at all. Better try another path. The one you are on is not going anywhere.

Because you missed quite a bit. Like all those prophecies. Many written before 600 bc. And strange how God fulfilled them all in one day which was 400 years after God closed the Old Testament inspiration. Ending with Malachi in 400 bc.

Zandore,

Heaven and hell is only what we make it to be. Well, Hell ended so you can not end up there and have a change of HEART (Heart of the earth). But Heaven is alive and well and waiting for you. So WHEN I see someone there walking around with his head hanging down, and dragging two tails, I will know your belief changed.


Gideon, Who said Jesus was coming back in 2029 ad? I said that 2029 ad is when the nation of Israel will see that Jesus is the Messiah in the Scriptures, it is not a SECOND COMING.

Jesus said He would not return physically. John 14:19 is still part of the Scriptures:

(JOHN 14:19) Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more;
but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. (KJV)

God and Jesus were to come and make their abode with us, that is WITHIN us, And they did just that. You look for a outside Kingdom. I am content to have them within me.

(LUKE 17:21) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for,
behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (KJV)

(MATTHEW 24:34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not
pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (KJV)

All the prophecies were fulfilled the day of the cross, the end times were fulfilled the day of the cross.

Gideon, and you will live beyond 2029 ad, the question is what your HOME Address will be? Heaven or earth, only two options, one or the other. But alive there.


Ken

I think that was covered on a different thread. In the 3rd or 4th century there was the Nicea (spelling?) council decided what was in the Bible and what was not.Just as we are telling you. You are going to try to convert the whole nation of Israel? ....EARTH...Just like you if we live that long.
My "Two Tailed Zandore" Opinion!

Strange that you mention that...scholars (Christian and otherwise) agree that the Bible was written in 600 BCE after the return from exile, by the heirarchy of the Temple nation founded at the behest of the Persian emperor. These scriptures were burnt in the fire set by the Greeks during the Maccabean revolt and after Jewish independence was won, the Maccabeans had the OT reconstituted and some new books (Daniel among others) added. As for David and Solomon, current archaeological thought is that they were only folklore, invented by those aforementioned priests to give Israel and Judea a grand history. There is no evidence of them outside the OT, nor of the Exodus or conquest....sorry to burst your bubble, but your book of mythology does not stand up to scrutiny

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Mako.

Cute story.
ken, actually, it was the council of constantinople that wrote the n.t. as we know it today. i double-checked and humbly apologize.the council of nicea, CONVENED by constantine, in 325 C.E., is the one that voted jesus as god.three bishops dissented, and were exiled from the roman empire for the rest of their lives for disagreeing. the council of constantinople, convened in 381 C.E. by theodosius, is the one where they wrote the n.t. that we know today. by the way, they also voted in the trinity, which does not exist in the n.t. just for your interest, since you apparently don't study real history, the third council, in 431, is when they decided that mary was "theotokos", the mother of god.these are true, documentable facts, not just a cute story.we'll talk later.

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[quote=Ken1Burton,Mar 8 2005, 09:45 AM]
Mako.

Cute story.
ken, actually, it was the council of constantinople that wrote the n.t. as we know it today.
..... is when they decided that mary was "theotokos", the mother of god.these are true, documentable facts, not just a cute story.we'll talk later.
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Gideon Mage....

What you are saying is not true. The authentic Hebrew Scriptures were preserved and recopied word for word and passed down through the centuries by Hebrew scribes. From genesis onward, we have the authentic Hebrew scriptures, unaltered and unchanged. It is called the massoretic text and it is translated word for word into middle English in the King James version bible.
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA Masoretic text
(from Hebrew masoreth, "tradition"), traditional Hebrew text of the Jewish
Bible, meticulously assembled and codified, and supplied with diacritical
marks to enable correct pronunciation. This monumental work was begun around
the 6th century AD and completed in the 10th by scholars at Talmudic academies
in Babylonia and Palestine, in an effort to reproduce, as far as possible, the
original text of the Hebrew Old Testament. Their intention was not to
interpret the meaning of the Scriptures but to transmit to future generations
the authentic Word of God. To this end they gathered manuscripts and whatever
oral traditions were available to them.

The Masoretic text that resulted from their work shows that every word and
every letter was checked with care. In Hebrew or Aramaic, they called
attention to strange spellings and unusual grammar and noted discrepancies in
various texts. Since texts traditionally omitted vowels in writing, the
Masoretes introduced vowel signs to guarantee correct pronunciation. Among the
various systems of vocalization that were invented, the one fashioned in the
city of Tiberias, Galilee, eventually gained ascendancy. In addition, signs
for stress and pause were added to the text to facilitate public reading of
the Scriptures in the synagogue.

When the final codification of each section was complete, the Masoretes not
only counted and noted down the total number of verses, words, and letters in
the text but further indicated which verse, which word, and which letter
marked the centre of the text. In this way any future emendation could be
detected. The rigorous care given the Masoretic text in its preparation is
credited for the remarkable consistency found in Old Testament Hebrew texts
since that time. The Masoretic work enjoyed an absolute monopoly for 600
years, and experts have been astonished at the fidelity of the earliest
printed version (late 15th century) to the earliest surviving codices (late
9th century). The Masoretic text is universally accepted as the authentic
Hebrew Bible.

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Mako.

Cute story.
ken, actually, it was the council of constantinople that wrote the n.t. as we know it today. i double-checked and humbly apologize.the council of nicea, CONVENED by constantine, in 325 C.E., is the one that voted jesus as god.three bishops dissented, and were exiled from the roman empire for the rest of their lives for disagreeing. the council of constantinople, convened in 381 C.E. by theodosius, is the one where they wrote the n.t. that we know today. by the way, they also voted in the trinity, which does not exist in the n.t. just for your interest, since you apparently don't study real history, the third council, in 431, is when they decided that mary was "theotokos", the mother of god.these are true, documentable facts, not just a cute story.we'll talk later.
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What you are saying is not true. The books of the New Testament were written in the first century by the apostles and followers of Jesus Christ. The roman council you are referring to, under Constantine, in 381, simply compiled a collection of the first century writings into a unified collection, which came to be known as the New Testament. The books themselves were written in the first century. There is evidence that the Byzantine or textus receptus, New Testaament has been around since over 2 centuries before Constantine.
Greek scholar Wilbur N Pickering has researched this claim and reveals
that: "Byzantine readings are recognised (most notably) by the
Didache, Diognetus, and Justin Martyr in the first half of the second
century [AD 100-150]; by the Gospel of Peter, Athenagorus, Hegesippus,
and Irenaeus (heavily) in the second half [AD 150-199]; by Clement of
Alexandria, Tertullian, Clementines, Hippolytus, and Origen (all
heavily) in the first half of the third century [AD 200-250]; by
Gregory of Thaumaturgus, Novatian, Cyprian (heavily), Dionysius of
Alexandria, and Archelaus in the second half [AD 250-299]". ("The
Identity of the New Testament Text"; Wilbur N Pickering; Nelson; 1980;
p 75)
There again, he might have in mind the "oldest and one of the most
excellent of the versions" (to quote Scrivener) which is the
translation of the Greek into Syriac called the Peshitta. Paul's
missionary base was at Antioch, in Syria, and the Syriac-speaking
Christians had the Scriptures translated into their own language. It
is universally acknowledged that the Peshitta is a translation of the
Byzantine text and, according to church historians (Eusebius and
others), the Peshitta dates from c AD 150. Terence H Brown confirms
that "the Syriac version was older by two centuries than the Nestorian
heresy (AD 431)".

The Peshitta is a copy of the New Testament books and it can be traced back to 150 AD. So, what you were saying about the New Testament being written at that Roman council in 381 is false.
The New Teatament was written in the first century, and in 381 the books were just compiled into one collection.

i really hate to get into this argument again but why do NB's have different stories on the creation of the bible?

Not an argument. But why does the Christian faith have so many versions of the same Bible?

i dont know about different versions, they all say the same thing, they just use different words, thats all.

king james was not a masorite.any quotes from the hebrew scriptures that were mis-translated by the council of constantinople when they rewrote the n.t. were mistranslated by the james people.example-and the most glaring one-"behold a young woman shall conceive" in isaiah is misquoted in the n.t. as "virgin" which, if you knew anythuing about the hebrew scriptures you would know.there is a perfectly good for virgin in hebrew, but isaiah does not use it.the king james version was mainly based on greek and latin versions.what you are saying is not true.

Exactly

The New Teatament was written in the first century, and in 381 the books were just compiled into one collection.
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i was trying to be kind.did you know that the existing churches were ordered to send the council of constantinole what they considered to be the n.t.?the concil picked and chose whatever they wanted to be the n.t., and carefully rewote it to take out the loopholes.they also burned all the originals that the churches sent them.amazingly, we still have a lot of "apocrypha" like the gospel of thomas, which the council obviously disapproved.it's nice that you also ignored all the other details i mentioned, like voting jesus as god and inventing the trinity.i should have expected such a response.you completely disregarded most of what i said....typical behavior.

You forgot the book of Enoch for one.

and what makes it weird is that the n.t. refers to the book of enoch.
by the way, anyone ever notice that the hebrew scriptures refer to other books that we have lost?there are several references to the "book of weapons"
(sefer yasharim)...

Got a Bible?
1 Chron 29:29
2 Chron 9:29
2 Sam 1:18

cool beans, zandore

Did you look them up?
PS Where is the book of Enoch mentioned?

i checked on nline parallel bible.
i don't remember where enoch is mentioned in the n.t., but it says something like, "enoch also says"-i don't remember, but will check-in my copy of enoch, there are parallel passages showing how the n.t. plagiarized whole passages from enoch.
i will inform.

OK