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panther10758
Well put thumbsup.gif
Athenian
Actually ancient Egyptian mythology was more bull...

All hail Apis!!!

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beowulf
Actually all organized religions, especially the "revealed" ones are just the opinion of a group of people and has no true validity. thumbsup.gif
zandore
Athenian I stand "humbly corrected".
Hotoke
ha my god can beat up your god, he can do supernova
lightbeyondthedark
QUOTE(zandore @ Feb 9 2005, 12:36 PM)
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Yeah, I hear ya...
All I was saying is that to me christianity is the right way...
Now to someone else it may not be... I can think in my mind all I want that the other person is following a false religion, but its not my place to judge anyone for anything...
I like being respected for my beliefs, and in turn I respect all other peoples beliefs... I still may not agree with them, but hey thats the great part of being an individual... We have the free will to think and do what we want...

just my opinion... thumbsup.gif

LBD

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zandore,
most of that you already knew about me anyways... lol
zandore
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ps-
zandore,
most of that you already knew about me anyways... lol
Yea
Ken1Burton
Beowhuf.

YOU VOTE? Sorry, But this is a Kingdom, not a democracy. Bull Manure comes in handy if God likens you to a Tree, It is called Nourishment. Try some.

(PSALMS 1:3) And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of
water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also
shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. (KJV)

A little Dung, might bring forth a lot of fruit.

(LUKE 13:8) And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this
year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: (KJV)
(LUKE 13:9) And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that
thou shalt cut it down. (KJV)

By the way, NO COUNCIL established the Bible, God inspired many writers. Mankind put different books together to form what we now call the different versions. It is within those books that God reveals Himself and Jesus whom He sent.

What a person sees or a Council sees does not have to be the Truth of God, it is just what they see it as. God’s inspired word is what has the evidence of Truth in it.

The main thing is if a writing shows something worth God sending the message. And the book of Revelation shows a lot mankind did not know, and how the Scriptures interlink. Something a person would not be able to put together without God’s help. For a man can have nothing except it be given him from above.

For informational purposes: Jesus ended the Daily Sacrifice by offering Himself as a Final Sacrifice, Ending the Sacrifice had a Curse attached, all curse lie upon Jesus as He took the sin of the world, the curses come with them.

(EZRA 6:11) Also I have made a decree, that whosoever shall alter
this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set
up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill
for this. (KJV)

That is the prophecy for Jesus being crucified.

I guess HIS HOUSE is the Body of Christ, and It is as a DUNGHILL. Great, we supply nourishment to the TREE OF LIFE. God likes to use things which offend. And it is also used to teach His Children not to be offended by words.

(1CORINTHIANS 1:28) And base things of the world, and things which
are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to
bring to nought things that are: (KJV)

(PSALMS 119:165) Great peace have they which love thy law: and
nothing shall offend them. (KJV)

You know, Dung and MiracleGrow have a lot in common, and you might need a MIRACLE in your life.

Ken
lightbeyondthedark
QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Feb 9 2005, 03:36 PM)
You know, Dung and MiracleGrow have a lot in common, and you might need a MIRACLE in your life.
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Ken,
Its things like that that people don't want to hear from you... It makes them think your looking your nose down on them... Not everything you think doesn't need to be said...
A wise man knows when not to speak...


just my humble opinion...

LBD
Something Like Laughter
QUOTE(beowulf @ Feb 9 2005, 08:56 AM)
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The Book of Revelation, It is like the kiss which seals the most beautiful love letter God every sent unto mankind. The Bible.

That or it is totally bull manure - I vote for it being nothing more than mythology and so did the council that established the bible - they didn't include Revelations! It wasn't put in th bible until around 1000 -1200 CE and still isn't in the non-Catholic descended Xian sects (Orthodox, Coptic, etc)! Guess God can't make up his mind on that and this really calls askance on the book falsely attributed to John! yes.gif
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Revelations was quoted by church leaders in letters as early as 150AD.
Ken1Burton
Lightbeyondthedark.

Is it a case of things like that do not need to be said? Why do you think God inspired it? So no one would see it? So no one would ever mention it?

(JOHN 16:12) I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot
bear them now. (KJV)

I told you before, I do not write to babes in Christ. These truths which are Scriptural were also meant to be seen. They are offensive, But God intended them to be when He inspired them. It is one of the many concepts He shows of OVERCOMING. Overcoming being offended by words, by other people. By what God does.

When the Disciples drank the blood or Similitude of blood at the Last Supper, they all got sick, Vomited and God RECORDED it in Prophecy, then added a GROW UP verse. Every person cannot stay a baby. Some have to move on. God has a lot of work planned for us. We need to be able to handle it.

(ISAIAH 28:8) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so
that there is no place clean. (KJV)
(ISAIAH 28:9) Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make
to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and
drawn from the breasts. (KJV)

Does this offend? God might have had that in mind as He showed it to Isaiah. Did you know that to eat any manner of blood was to be cast out of the Congregation. And those OUTSIDE the Congregation were called DOGS. Now did the Disciples go back to taking what we call communion? Can you take it even farther? God did.

It might have offended them then, But they did return unto it.

Mankind has used pigeons to carry messages, God send His on a dove. And the Messages are for RELAY purposes.

Ken
lightbeyondthedark
Ken,

I didn't say a thing about the bible verses you were using... I was talking about what YOU said...
"you might need a MIRACLE in your life."
Do you not see what I am trying to say to you? Yeah they might need a miracle in thier lives... But they probably dont want or need to be hearing that from you... Come on Ken, you seem to miss the point every time I try to tell you something...

LBD
Ken1Burton
Lightbeyondthedark.

That post was mainly directed to beowulf. The Miracle was part of the Miraclegrow or the Bull, Beowulf sees the Bible as. To say it is a hardened heart would be putting it mildly. But maybe God heardened the heart like He hardened Pharaoh's

God works in many ways, and He often uses a negative approach through people. He seems to be fighting a God he does not believe in quite a lot. Or is there something that is not quite clear about those who need to fight God. The NEED word will get a few rocks thrown.


Ken
hyuugaNeji
the stupidity of ppl on this forum is beyond belief. ppl shoot down revelation as bul without nderstanding it first. I wil probably start a thread about the prophecies of daniel and revelation soon. as a matter of fact revelation and daniel is sybolism.
joc
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I wil probably start a thread about the prophecies of daniel and revelation soon. as a matter of fact revelation and daniel is sybolism.


I'm sure that will go over very well tongue.gif I would suggest just keeping it to yourself wink2.gif
Something Like Laughter
Ken,
your posts usually leave me wondering how you managed to come up with what you said. post #61 leaves me wondering where it is recorded that the diciples got sick after the last supper.
while you figure that one out you could answer my questions to your "Jesus is the illigetament son of David" idea.
lightbeyondthedark
Yeah... I have a hard time understandng Ken most of the time as well... But I think he likes it that way... tongue.gif lol

LBD
Ken1Burton
Something like Laughter.

All prophecies are for the day of the cross. The Tables being full of Vomit is one of them. It is an abomination for a Jew to eat or Drink blood. It was very unlawful. The blood was always to be poured out and covered.

Knowing the Jewish law of a person was cast out of the congregation for eating any manner of blood, (A Similitude would apply also) Then the only Table the day of the cross was the Last Supper. And it would not be unusual for them not to mention it. It is not something you would like to brag about.

But God did show it in prophecy, One of many jots and tittles which just had to be fulfilled.

Many times I see a prophecy and look where it might belong. Which of the time periods. God gives many hints to where to place things. I have a lot of the time periods and the pictures where they are easily seen.

I can see where God puts them if He speaks of 7 of the trees He uses quite often. I know the Cedars is Sunset to Midnight.

(ISAIAH 41:19) I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the
shittah tree, and the myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the
desert the fir tree, and the pine, and the box tree together: (KJV)

I know the Wilderness is the day of the cross as a House built, I know it is where the Spirit took Jesus for the temptation.

It is building with the blocks God shows. As each is put into the right place, it can be built on. As the Scriptures interlock. The Prophecies come together and it shows what God has accomplished.

As far as Jesus being the son of David that died 7 days after birth, there is a problem with that concept. This web site does not want to hear it, or the references which show it to be true. I posted quite a bit the other day, Showing that the Child is the only one who could have fulfilled the prophecies and the post was removed.

Nothing as far as what they found offensive. Just gone. God uses a very offensive word for one born outside wedlock. So if you want to see how this interlocks, I suggest my web page in the file “God/Jesus” their relationship. My web page is on my profile. All most all the other concepts are also there in detail.

Many of the books of the prophets are gone over almost verse by verse. God speaks in Similitudes, I show what the Similitudes are saying. All like the prophecies are for the day of the cross.

Ken
beowulf
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Even your "historical studies" are flawed many things thought "fact" in history later were proven false

See my post on the "Gap in Jesus Life" thread. You will see that unlike religion and like science, history is self-correcting! yes.gif
panther10758
That is a matter of opinion and frankly I dont agree
beowulf
Your perogative, your loss! rolleyes.gif
panther10758
I really dont see the "loss" but your agressive stance againist religion I find odd. Honestly if you believe or dont doesnt really bother me but your agressive stance almost suggest some hidden meaning or agenda. Just my opinion
beowulf
You evidentally have never lived in a place where your beliefs were not that of the majority, you have never had the experience as a 6 year old of having your playmates tell you that you were going to hell because you didn't practice Xianity and have their parents tell you that they would sit in Heaven and laugh as you screamed in agony. That was my introduction to Xianity and since then, I have (as a member of the intelligence community) observed the cruelty and inhumanity of the followers of that religion. For that reason I maintain a strong stance against it! yes.gif
panther10758
That certainly explains it but your doing the same thing you complained about to others with your agressive posting on these topics. I respect your right to believe what you choose and I support your actions. I care less than nothing if you believe in the same God as I thats between you and your God (if you have one) my God isnt even same as one I grew up being taught about. Your pursuit to descredit every believer places you in same catagory as those you just mentioned! Once again I care less than nothing if you belive as I do and I respect your beliefs I was merely adding to topic in a non agressive style
zandore
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YOU VOTE? Sorry, But this is a Kingdom, not a democracy.
You live in America ken. this is a free country that holds elections so he can vote if he wants to.
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(PSALMS 1:3) And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of
water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. (KJV)
You go from talking about manure to talking about trees.
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By the way, NO COUNCIL established the Bible,
If you research this you might find different. It was a council that decided what went in and what did not.
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Mankind put different books together to form what we now call the different versions.
YES YOU JUST SAID IT FOR ME! It was the "COUNCIL" and whats with the different versions anyway? What different about them if the Bible can not be changed?
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The main thing is if a writing shows something worth God sending the message. And the book of Revelation shows a lot mankind did not know, and how the Scriptures interlink.
How can they interlink if parts are missing?
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A little Dung, might bring forth a lot of fruit.
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(LUKE 13:8) And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: (KJV)
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I guess HIS HOUSE is the Body of Christ, and It is as a DUNGHILL.
Do you have a thing for dung/manure?
zandore
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These truths which are Scriptural were also meant to be seen. They are offensive, But God intended them to be when He inspired them.
You stated that you sound Christian doctrine. So why are you trying to preach now? Did you find Christianity?
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When the Disciples drank the blood or Similitude of blood at the Last Supper, they all got sick, Vomited and God RECORDED it in Prophecy,

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(ISAIAH 28:8) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. (KJV)
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Did you know that to eat any manner of blood was to be cast out of the Congregation.
A thing with blood and vomit now?
lightbeyondthedark
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When the Disciples drank the blood or Similitude of blood at the Last Supper, they all got sick, Vomited and God RECORDED it in Prophecy,

QUOTE
(ISAIAH 28:8) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. (KJV)
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Did you know that to eat any manner of blood was to be cast out of the Congregation.


So you are saying that rejecting the blood of Christ is a good thing? You send too many mixed messages buddy...

but hey, thats just my humble opinion...

LBD
zandore
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...(A Similitude would apply also)....
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One of many jots and tittles...
Perhaps if you were to speak english more people could understand you.
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Many times I see a prophecy and look where it might belong
You say you use the KJV Bible. You are not supposed to edit the Bible remember?
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As far as Jesus being the son of David that died 7 days after birth, there is a problem with that concept. This web site does not want to hear it, or the references which show it to be true. I posted quite a bit the other day, Showing that the Child is the only one who could have fulfilled the prophecies and the post was removed.
If you post links then if anybody wants to see for themselves they can.
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So if you want to see how this interlocks, I suggest my web page in the file “God/Jesus” their relationship. My web page is on my profile. All most all the other concepts are also there in detail.
If you use other references then you argument might carry more weight.
!god!
I choose when the world ends, not you !
Magikman
!god!

Registering another user name just to post inane and insipid comments is grounds for suspension. This is the only warning you will receive. disgust.gif

MM
whoa182
That was not me by the way, that was my brother... we have 4 Pc's in the house and they all linked to the router.

Im not that stupid to do register 2 names just to do something silly like that.

I am Matt


remember, hes not me.

Thanks
beowulf
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your doing the same thing you complained about to others with your agressive posting on these topics

Just returning tit for tat....but as Xians here have told me, "If you don't like what I post, don't read it!" If someone comes on with unsubstantiated claims for their religion and the history of their religion, I will rebut it and will do so aggressively, just my way - blame over 2 decades of military training and perception. thumbsup.gif
panther10758
I dont see others being as agressive perhaps a good anger mangement class would help grin2.gif
beowulf
perhaps a good foundation in history and science would help. I never get mad, that gives the opponent a handle....so maybe you need to consider the first suggestion of mine! thumbsup.gif
panther10758
Perhaps you should reread and not suggest everyone with a differnt view than yours is lacking in knowledge I dont care what your beliefs are and I respect that. I was merely adding to topic my view and doing so in a manner not offensive or agressive. I respect your said knowledge and your view and I will not ridicule it.
lightbeyondthedark
QUOTE(panther10758 @ Feb 10 2005, 11:39 AM)
Perhaps you should reread and not suggest everyone with a differnt view than yours is lacking in knowledge I respect your said knowledge and your view and I will not ridicule it.[right][snapback]482637[/snapback][/right]


Bravo... *claps*
Exactly what I have been trying to say about everyone and everything on this forum for some time now...

LBD
Magikman
QUOTE(whoa182 @ Feb 10 2005, 06:17 PM)
That was not me by the way, that was my brother...  we have 4 Pc's in the house and they all linked to the router.

Im not that stupid to do register 2 names just to do something silly like that.

I am Matt


remember,  hes not me.

Thanks
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There's no way for us to tell who is doing what on the forum, we see IP addresses. If it truly is your brother it might behoove you to have a word with him as to how he conducts himself here. Anything and everything he posts here will reflect on you, as will any consequences. Hopefully that gives you enough incentive to persuade him to behave. hmm.gif
forgotfel
Quite a theory. Interpretations out there really make you think, especially about things involving the end of the world, in light of recent events.
zandore
QUOTE(lightbeyondthedark @ Feb 10 2005, 03:47 PM)
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When the Disciples drank the blood or Similitude of blood at the Last Supper, they all got sick, Vomited and God RECORDED it in Prophecy,

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(ISAIAH 28:8) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. (KJV)
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Did you know that to eat any manner of blood was to be cast out of the Congregation.


So you are saying that rejecting the blood of Christ is a good thing? You send too many mixed messages buddy...

but hey, thats just my humble opinion...

LBD
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Me?
lightbeyondthedark
zandore,

No my friend not you... I know where you stand on such matters... I assumed you had gotten those quotes from Ken... My question was directed to him.. Sorry for the confusion...

LBD
zandore
No problem. That is what I thought but was not sure.
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Quite a theory. Interpretations out there really make you think, especially about things involving the end of the world, in light of recent events.
Forgotfel
We still have at least 1 or 2 billion years left to go. I would not waste any sleep over it.
lightbeyondthedark
I was just thinking about other prophesies the bible has made, and I think that have come to be... These are just my opinions, not saying anyone has to agree with me or not... And I am certainly not trying to ram scripture down anyones throat... Just though it may be interesting for some... thumbsup.gif

1: Gain of much knowledge; increase in travel.
But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.Daniel 12:4

2: Rise of the final world empire, the revived Roman Empire. (EU)
The Dream prophesy of King Nebuchadnez'zar - Daniel 2 (To much to post now.)

3: Russia getting ready for a future war.
O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; and I will turn you about, and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you forth, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great company, all of them with buckler and shield, wielding swords; Persia, Cush, and Put are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; - Ezekiel 38:3-5

4: Rise of China military might.
saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphra'tes." So the four angels were released, who had been held ready for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, to kill a third of mankind. The number of the troops of cavalry was twice ten thousand times ten thousand; I heard their number. - Revelation 9:14-16
The sixth angel poured his bowl on the great river Euphra'tes, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. - Revelation 16:12

5: Return of the Jews to Israel.
For I will take you from the nations, and gather you from all the countries, and bring you into your own land. - Ezekiel 36:24
Then he said to me, "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. Behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off.' Therefore prophesy, and say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I will open your graves, and raise you from your graves, O my people; and I will bring you home into the land of Israel. - Ezekiel 37:11-12
In those days the house of Judah shall join the house of Israel, and together they shall come from the land of the north to the land that I gave your fathers for a heritage. - Jeremiah 3:18

6: Atomic Weaponry
and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10
say to the forest of the Negeb, Hear the word of the LORD: Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I will kindle a fire in you, and it shall devour every green tree in you and every dry tree; the blazing flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from south to north shall be scorched by it. - Ezekiel 20:47
And I will give portents in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. - Joel 2:30
The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, which fell on the earth; and a third of the earth was burnt up, and a third of the trees were burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. - Revelation 8:7

I hope some of you find some interest in these things... I looked forward to hearing some feedback on them as well.. Lets just stay civil though... lol

LBD

Hotoke
an interesting way of interpretation there LBD but i dont see the connections

lightbeyondthedark
Hotoke,
Ok... Lets see if I can help...

They all seem pretty easy to understand from the bible verses I posted... Maybe with the exceptions of 3 & 4... SO I will try to elaborate on them..

#3 - Historically, the nations mentioned in this passage Meshech, Tubal, were a barbarous people known as the Scythians. These were a nomadic people who had moved from central Asia to southern Russia.

#4 - China military is said to have 100,000,000 standing troops in it... "The number of the troops of cavalry was twice ten thousand times ten thousand" (10,000 x 10,000 = 100,000,000); "The sixth angel poured his bowl on the great river Euphra'tes, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east." The only way such an army could march to Israel is if the Euphrates was dried up (to a certain point). Turkey has built two dams on the Euphrates. The second which was completed in April 2000 would alow the river to be almost entirely stopped.

The way these prophesys relate to Armageddon is that all of these had to happen for Armageddon to take place...

Hope that helps.. thumbsup.gif

LBD

Ken1Burton
Zandore,

OK, This is the United States of America. America covers both what we see as North and South America. You don’t get to vote in all the countries.

Now you go tell God, He has to be dually elected in order to be God. And without a majority vote, He must step down. The Same as having Jesus as a member of His Cabinet. Did the Senate confirm Him?

Is the Tree and Manure concept too hard? Trees are of the plant kingdom, Manure is known as nourishment for plants. So someone likening the Bible to manure, I likened us to plants which can grow using the Bible as Nourishment. Similitudes are a little confusing to many. But God uses them a lot, So do I.

No Council ESTABLISHED the Bible, for the Bible is different writings. It is God who ESTABLISHED Those writings. Men just picked which ones they wanted together. But the others books are available.

Zandore, God’s word in Isaiah has been recorded many times. We know what is in that book. Many change the wording to get their own copyright, But it does not change the face we can still see what really was there. They have not changed God’s word, for Isaiah still exists. They just have a faulty copy. But we can search it out and see it is flawed.

It is like Counterfeit, It does not change the real money. It just looks like the real, and can fool many. But it can not fool those who know what the real money is.

How can pieces of a jigsaw puzzle go together with pieces missing? the more pieces you put together the more the other pieces show where they belong. Until all fits together.

I have a thing for dung, it is called a Shovel, and a wheelbarrow comes in handy also. But don’t throw it away, Use it to make things grow.

God put the verses and the Concepts into Scripture to show things. And the Tree of Life can use nourishment.

I do not believe what is called Sound Christian Doctrine is God’s Truth. Following Christ is preaching what is Truth. That is all the Doctrine as a whole. Not every single part. Jesus is the Christ. God is our Creator. Jesus did die on a cross at Golgotha. Hell does not now exist. There are no unsaved, sin is not now accountable unto man. All people go to heaven at death, and there is their home.

The Disciples getting sick at the Last supper is not spoken of by any Churches I know of. But it is in the Scriptures, and I show those things which God showed, but mankind missed. For God showed them to be seen.

Lightbeyondthedark.

I am saying that for a Jew to drink blood was against their law. That is what made them sick, Using the wine similitude for blood. For under the law that would have defiled them. And they would have been cut off from the congregation. But it was also in the prophecies.

(SOLOMON 5:3) I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have
washed my feet; how shall I defile them? (KJV)

Drinking the wine as blood did defile them. As far as Jews under the law.

Zandore.

God speaks in Similitudes. It was given unto the Disciples to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom, Not the solutions of the Mysteries. You have to THINK when God uses a similitude what the Similitude means, it is called Interpretation. That is not editing. When Jesus spoke of the Sower, it was not a farmer doing his planting, But the Word of God being planted, to see it is God’s word was not changing it, it was Revealing it.

I use a lot of references but there are over 1700 chapters of Scripture, many concepts are covered by many of the prophets, and they add other concepts which also need explaining. So many of the answers to show what is Scriptural truths cover many pages. And many concepts interlocking as they go.

But not only showing how it is Scriptural truth, But what is believed has to be shown as error in many cases.

For showing David’s son born outside wedlock is the One God used, also has to show that God did not come down and take the form of a man. That there is no link to Mary in the Linage of David. That the Genealogies to Joseph are dead ends, that the Parable to David of taking Bathsheba is to prepare for the Christ. Plus dozens of other verses. All pointing to what God did, How God did it, How the Child fulfills the Prophecies.

Remember the Bible nor only speaks of an end of the World, It speak of a World without end. Seeing God speaks of an Old World, and a New World, the best assumption is the Old World is the one with an ending, and the New world is the one Without end.

Jesus told His disciples He was with them always, even until the end of the world, He left at DEATH. The New World started the day of the cross. We are now in World without end.

God likened the First 6-hours from sunset to midnight as Old Heaven, Midnight to sunrise s Old Earth, Heaven and earth fled from His face seen as the face of a man on the third beast with 6-wings which was sunrise to noon. “Behold, I make all things new.”


Ken
lightbeyondthedark
QUOTE(Ken1Burton @ Feb 10 2005, 05:14 PM)
I am saying that for a Jew to drink blood was against their law. That is what made them sick, Using the wine similitude for blood. For under the law that would have defiled them. And they would have been cut off from the congregation. But it was also in the prophecies.
Drinking the wine as blood did defile them. As far as Jews under the law.
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Does that matter? Did Jesus not tell them to drink it?
antiaging
[quote=Ken1Burton,Feb 10 2005, 05:14 PM]
Zandore,


I do not believe what is called Sound Christian Doctrine is God’s Truth. Following Christ is preaching what is Truth. That is all the Doctrine as a whole. Not every single part. Jesus is the Christ. God is our Creator. Jesus did die on a cross at Golgotha. Hell does not now exist. There are no unsaved, sin is not now accountable unto man. All people go to heaven at death, and there is their home.


You are incorrect. Hell does now exist.

You are incorrect. The majority of people are unsaved.
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

You are incorrect. Sin is now accountable to man.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

You are incorrect. Most people go to hell after their death. Hell and the Lake of fire is their home. See Matt. 7:13,14 above.

People will automatically go to hell as sinners unless they get saved from it. You get saved by believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour and repenting of anything that the New Testament calls a sin. You must be trying to not sin.
You should also read the New Testament to find out what God wants you to believe and obey beyond that. [The King James version is the most accurate.]


The Disciples getting sick at the Last supper is not spoken of by any Churches I know of. But it is in the Scriptures, and I show those things which God showed, but mankind missed. For God showed them to be seen.


You are incorrect. It is not in the scriptures that they got sick.
The bread and body and wine and blood teachings were just another parable comparison. It was wine, and it was allright to drink under Jewish law.


For showing David’s son born outside wedlock is the One God used, also has to show that God did not come down and take the form of a man. That there is no link to Mary in the Linage of David. That the Genealogies to Joseph are dead ends, that the Parable to David of taking Bathsheba is to prepare for the Christ. Plus dozens of other verses. All pointing to what God did, How God did it, How the Child fulfills the Prophecies.


You are incorrect. God did come down in the form of a man.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


You are incorrect.
The link to Mary in the lineage of David is listed in the Gospel of Luke.

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was [the son] of Heli,
[You see "as was supposed" and son of Heli means son in law of Heli; son and son in law are interchangeable in biblical Hebrew.]



Remember the Bible nor only speaks of an end of the World, It speak of a World without end. Seeing God speaks of an Old World, and a New World, the best assumption is the Old World is the one with an ending, and the New world is the one Without end.

Jesus told His disciples He was with them always, even until the end of the world, He left at DEATH. The New World started the day of the cross. We are now in World without end.

You are incorrect.
The world we are in now is the one that will end, in flaming fire, ...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.



whoa182
QUOTE(Magikman @ Feb 10 2005, 06:22 PM)
QUOTE(whoa182 @ Feb 10 2005, 06:17 PM)
That was not me by the way, that was my brother...   we have 4 Pc's in the house and they all linked to the router.

Im not that stupid to do register 2 names just to do something silly like that.

I am Matt


remember,  hes not me.

Thanks
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There's no way for us to tell who is doing what on the forum, we see IP addresses. If it truly is your brother it might behoove you to have a word with him as to how he conducts himself here. Anything and everything he posts here will reflect on you, as will any consequences. Hopefully that gives you enough incentive to persuade him to behave. hmm.gif
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ill unplug his pc from my router, haha thumbsup.gif

Edit: no, I'll just ban this site so he cant get on

sorry for that laugh.gif
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[quote=Ken1Burton,Feb 9 2005, 03:36 PM]
Beowhuf.

(EZRA 6:11) Also I have made a decree, that whosoever shall alter
this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set
up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill
for this. (KJV)

That is the prophecy for Jesus being crucified.


You are incorrect. That has nothing to do with Jesus being crucified.
Cyrus made a decree that the house of God in Jerusalem, would be rebuilt and some people were opposing that. So, Cyrus told those people to help the Jews and not hinder them. That punishment was for anyone that would alter that decree.
You can plainly see this from the context of the verses before it.
Stop pulling scriptures out of context and trying to force them to apply to something else.

Ezra 6:6 Now [therefore], Tatnai, governor beyond the river, Shetharboznai, and your companions the Apharsachites, which [are] beyond the river, be ye far from thence:

Ezra 6:7 Let the work of this house of God alone; let the governor of the Jews and the elders of the Jews build this house of God in his place.

Ezra 6:8 Moreover I make a decree what ye shall do to the elders of these Jews for the building of this house of God: that of the king's goods, [even] of the tribute beyond the river, forthwith expenses be given unto these men, that they be not hindered.

Ezra 6:9 And that which they have need of, both young bullocks, and rams, and lambs, for the burnt offerings of the God of heaven, wheat, salt, wine, and oil, according to the appointment of the priests which [are] at Jerusalem, let it be given them day by day without fail:

Ezra 6:10 That they may offer sacrifices of sweet savours unto the God of heaven, and pray for the life of the king, and of his sons.

Ezra 6:11 Also I have made a decree, that whosoever shall alter this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill for this.






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Edit: Forget the comment made here before... I think I need sleep... Sleep or my bowl... hmm.gif lol

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