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Sunofone
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Sun, February 6, 2005
Paranoia grips the U.S. capital
By Eric Margolis -- Contributing Foreign Editor

The film Seven Days In May is one of my all-time favourites. The gripping 1964 drama, starring Burt Lancaster, depicts an attempted coup by far rightists in Washington using a top-secret Pentagon anti-terrorist unit called something like "Contelinpro."

Life imitates art. This week, former military intelligence analyst William Arkin revealed a hitherto unknown directive, with the Orwellian name "JCS Conplan 0300-97," authorizing the Pentagon to employ special, ultra-secret "anti-terrorist" military units on American soil for what the author claims are "extra-legal missions."

In other words, using U.S. soldiers to kill or arrest Americans, acts that have been illegal since the U.S. Civil War.

This frightening news comes as Washington is gripped by reborn, Cold-War-style paranoia, ominous threats of war against Iran from the real president, Dick Cheney, and a titanic bureaucratic battle just won by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Instead of being fired for the grotesque military-political fiasco in Iraq and the shameful torture scandals, Rumsfeld has just managed to create a new, Pentagon spy/special ops organization, blandly named "Strategic Support Branch," that will replace or duplicate many of the CIA's tasks.

The CIA has been sent to the doghouse. Too many CIA veterans criticized or contradicted Bush's and Cheney's phony claims over Iraq and terrorism. So Bush has imposed a new, yes-man director on the agency, slashed its budgets, purged its senior officers, and downgraded CIA to third-class status.

Rumsfeld's new, massively funded SSB will become the Pentagon's CIA, complete with commando units, spies, mercenary forces, intelligence gathering and analysis, and a direct line to the White House. The Pentagon has just effectively taken over the spy business.

Used terrorism hysteria

Mind you, the Pentagon and its Defence Intelligence Agency have been deeply involved in intelligence around the globe for 50 years. U.S. Army intelligence and its covert sub-branches have long conducted "black ops," including missions in the U.S. as well as assassinations and sabotage abroad. The Pentagon consumes three-quarters of the total U.S. intelligence budget.

Rumsfeld has skillfully used terrorism hysteria to wrest control of intelligence and make the Pentagon supreme in Washington's bureaucratic power struggles.

The Pentagon's new spy arm will be largely excluded from Congressional oversight or media examination. Its special operations teams will roam the globe, all under cover of "deep black" missions of which no records will be kept, and no questions asked.

Equally worrying, the Pentagon's new special-ops units are headed up by notorious religious fanatic, Lt. Gen. William Boykin, who calls the U.S. Army "the house of God" and Islamic insurgents "agents of Satan." He warned Muslims, "my God is bigger than your god, which is an idol."

Boykin's command will now dispatch post-modern Christian crusaders to cleanse the world of Satanic Muslims and other miscreants. The Pentagon's new special forces will be able to run operations of which the CIA knows nothing.

The 9/11 Commission called for improved intra-agency co-operation and data sharing -- instead, the U.S. will get far less co-operation, as the Pentagon goes its own, secret way.

Now, George W. Bush, who clearly believes he holds the mandate of heaven after being re-elected by the less mentally active half of American voters, has decided to "unleash" special forces and all sorts of irregular units, including mercenaries, uniformed bounty hunters, and mutants sporting t-shirts proclaiming "kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out." These militarized thugs and video arcade Rambos are sure to run amok, dragging America's once good name ever deeper into the mud.
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/T.../06/922316.html
Richdog
lol the real president Dick Cheney, it would make sense.
Mekorig
I dont think that the situation is that bad, but the idea of a secrte service depending exclusive of the army and the vice-president, whiout COngress chack is alarming.
fearfulone
ah the anti bush people speak up loudly and call those who voted for him the "less mentally active half"....u gotta love it...

takes away your credibility when you bash 53% of americans by calling them less mentally active....you watch Farenheit 9/11 and you think you're informed now?

Besides that...i dont see any credible evidence....the Toronto Sun published this story....interesting, exciting, conspiracy theory, but not credible
Athenian
The SS(Schutzstaffel) was not government defiant and not a secret service branch, Mr. Conspirator. tongue.gif
Sunofone
QUOTE(fearfulone @ Feb 7 2005, 11:16 AM)
takes away your credibility when you bash 53% of americans by calling them less mentally active....you watch Farenheit 9/11 and you think you're informed now? 

your only fooling yourself by thinking that the election numbers are acurate-search "strategic service branch" and youll find it doesnt matter who reported it
Stellar
I cant believe this. Why? Because I dont believe all this propoganda furthered by the Illuminati to trick people like Sunofone!

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copenjackenhagen
I'm not too worried about it, not until basic freedom's are taken away, the whole idea for all this spy network now is to weed out the people that are anti-american, and keep the people that are pro-america. I am a proud american, were I don't get shot for typing this, alot of other countries out there will do severe bodily harm, for being related with a conspiracy network. As for Bush being hitler, Bush is not forcing troop's to go over sea's, that was the solider's own decsion when they signed that paper to join, it is a risk that they make even if they signed it during peace time. The way the CIA was setup was to monitor other government's, The new branch is an effective technic to monitor foreign group's and people that pose a risk to the country and it's resources. All the new branch does is consolidate our country's manpower where it can be focused on independent need's.
joc
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your only fooling yourself by thinking that the election numbers are acurate-search "strategic service branch" and youll find it doesnt matter who reported it


Obviously another disinfranchised Gore supporter who can't get past the elections of 2000. tongue.gif
Kabutarian
fearfulone: No, only 51% of Americans who voted. Also, with the mass machine difficulties all across the country, who knows whether Bush really won? Personally, I rather doubt it.

copenjackenhagen: That's the thing. Giving the government powers like this, which just beg to be exploited, is never a good thing. (That's what Hitler did, amassed power.) Also, Bush has extended deployment (Which is illegal unless there is a "National Emergency"), and a good deal of the troops were told when they enlisted that there would not be a war in the near future. That's what's known as lying -.o I hear it's one of the 10 Big No-Nos in christiandom.
matthewgoad
Cry baby democrats Geez.. Still riding around with your Kerry/Edwards stickers. Why not let it go, lets work on making this a conjoined effort and if we're gonna get our liberties taken away by crazy guys and mercenaries, then we'll do it together. You guys really do believe everything that you read. Wouldn't surprise me if John Kerry himself wrote that article, or had Michael Moore do it. Take the stickers off your car, get back to work, and quit ruinin my life
dmgspycat
Hey sunofone, I think you are right about Bush. How could anyone confuse patriotism with supporting this mans horrific agenda? Don't people know their history about WW2 and of the Bush familys involvement along with Rockefeller, Whitney, Luce, Lovett...you get the picture. How could anyone vote for a mercenary family to lead a nation? No wonder our governments regulations are getting weaker. These pirates are tightening the noose around our necks and loosening the one around theirs. These people and their forefathers have never seen justice for helping Nazi Germany set up death camps for corporate profit. Their German fiasco is reminescent of other scenarios like Iran, Guatemala,Veitnam, Cambodia,Iran-contra...In this country there has been a continuous battle between the industrialists and the elected government and corporate money has subverted our governments ability to keep these people in check.
dmgspycat
QUOTE(matthewgoad @ Feb 8 2005, 05:40 PM)
Cry baby democrats Geez.. Still riding around with your Kerry/Edwards stickers. Why not let it go, lets work on making this a conjoined effort and if we're gonna get our liberties taken away by crazy guys and mercenaries, then we'll do it together. You guys really do believe everything that you read. Wouldn't surprise me if John Kerry himself wrote that article, or had Michael Moore do it. Take the stickers off your car, get back to work, and quit ruinin my life
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dmgspycat: Don't confuse our zeal to expose Bush with us being sore losers over the election. That is the mistake people make in turning every issue into a right-left debate. The serious fact of the matter is that this family committed TREASON in the second world war by helping German economy and war machine and made profits off the slave labor camps. Junior is no saint either. I see he is supporting the smarmy corporate policy of his father not to mention the further militarization of our nation. You support right wing deathsquads kicking in the doors of innocent victims?
Kabutarian
QUOTE(matthewgoad @ Feb 8 2005, 02:40 PM)
Cry baby democrats Geez.. Still riding around with your Kerry/Edwards stickers. Why not let it go, lets work on making this a conjoined effort and if we're gonna get our liberties taken away by crazy guys and mercenaries, then we'll do it together.
The Bill of Rights being negated isn't a right-or-left issue. It's an AMERICAN issue, one which should matter a great deal to all the citizens, ESPECIALLY the anti-big government Republicans. Or are you just one of the ones that blindly follows Bush and company?


You guys really do believe everything that you read. Wouldn't surprise me if John Kerry himself wrote that article, or had Michael Moore do it.
Sounds like someone's still sore over a certain box office-busting movie.


Take the stickers off your car, get back to work, and quit ruinin my life
Aw, poor baby, other peoples' opinions ruining your life? Deal. Methinks you should reread the first amendment.
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matthewgoad
Wow guys I didn't expect such a reaction.. That's good.. Keep voicing those opinions. That's what we need in this country. People to speak up. That's all I was looking for with my post was a reaction. I saw the Michael Moore movie and I thought it was garbage. I have since seen Farenhype 9/11 which interviews many of the people in Michael Moore's movie, where they tell you that they were not told they would be in the movie and are even seeking advice over a lawsuit towards him. I just like posting on this site to get some reaction from you guys.. I respect each other opinions you make, just don't agree with all of them. Ahhh but such is America, right? Anyways I hope there are no hard feelings. Keep it up
Kabutarian
QUOTE(matthewgoad @ Feb 12 2005, 11:42 AM)
Wow guys I didn't expect such a reaction.. That's good.. Keep voicing those opinions. That's what we need in this country. People to speak up. That's all I was looking for with my post was a reaction. I saw the Michael Moore movie and I thought it was garbage. I have since seen Farenhype 9/11 which interviews many of the people in Michael Moore's movie, where they tell you that they were not told they would be in the movie and are even seeking advice over a lawsuit towards him. I just like posting on this site to get some reaction from you guys.. I respect each other opinions you make, just don't agree with all of them. Ahhh but such is America, right? Anyways I hope there are no hard feelings. Keep it up
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I'm betting that those would be the corporate execs, "It's the ultimate rush" soldiers, and people he generally didn't portray favorably, not people like Lila Lipscomb. Of COURSE if you're made to look like an ass all across the country you'd be mad! But that doesn't invalidate the movie one bit. Everything in it that is proveable has been verified.
bathory
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Everything in it that is proveable has been verified.


a huge amount of it has been disbunked, while other parts are simply misleading

go look up the actual quote from condi in which she says that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
matthewgoad
Yes but nothing in the movie is proveable.. It's junk!
Sunofone
QUOTE(matthewgoad @ Feb 14 2005, 08:03 AM)
Yes but nothing in the movie is proveable.. It's junk!
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proveable?nothing in it can be contested!-otherwise there "would" have been suits he would have lost by now-specify the detail in question and lets debate it-the fact is that he is a weak distraction from the "real proof" that he avoided of 9/11 complicity and treason in the highest places-
from norad "standing down"
to silverstein's "incredible" business luck
to firefighters describing bombs bringing down wtc
to bldg 7
to the pentagon attack
certain peoples(silversteins,oil and defense contractors) motives would have been enough to conduct a seperate investigation had standard investigative techniques been used-the evidence speaks for itself and america has been hypnotized into accepting incrementally worse attrocities and lies to the point that we are at now, where looking back creates horror as to what has actually already taken place and its pyschologically easier to continue the lie perpetuated-if you cannot accept the truth you are complacent to the lie-its time to wake up! mad.gif
lightbeyondthedark
QUOTE(Kabutarian @ Feb 8 2005, 10:16 AM)
Also, with the mass machine difficulties all across the country, who knows whether Bush really won? Personally, I rather doubt it.
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Well its obvious he did win... He is the president... tongue.gif

LBD
OlDrippy34
The thing about Fahrenheit 9/11 is that yes, it is all actual footage and documentation and whatnot...it's just presented in such a way that makes it incredibly misleading. Moore presents his opinion, using only facts which are convenient for him...he edits and edits until whatever he wants to be conveyed is. I don't know how this has gone, but a newspaper was trying to sue him for using their frontpage from after the 2000 election with the headline "All Research Proves Gore Won Florida" or something to that effect, when in fact that was NOT the headline that day, but the title of an opinion piece from that day. So yeah, it was in there, so it must be true, right? That's opinion presented as fact.

Back on the original topic, though, I think it REALLY detracts from the credibility of the story when the piece is so BLATANTLY anti-Bush..."the real President Dick Cheney"? That quote alone rips to shreds any credibility one could have possibly gleaned from it.
Sunofone
QUOTE(OlDrippy34 @ Feb 14 2005, 12:25 PM)
Back on the original topic, though, I think it REALLY detracts from the credibility of the story when the piece is so BLATANTLY anti-Bush..."the real President Dick Cheney"?  That quote alone rips to shreds any credibility one could have possibly gleaned from it.
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ok how much sense does it make to completely ignore facts and common sense because of someone elses inclination that cheney commands more respect than bush?!?super goyism
The Skeptic Eric Raven
The facts you use are far fetched. Why would we believe them.
OlDrippy34
QUOTE(Sunofone @ Feb 14 2005, 02:57 PM)
QUOTE(OlDrippy34 @ Feb 14 2005, 12:25 PM)
Back on the original topic, though, I think it REALLY detracts from the credibility of the story when the piece is so BLATANTLY anti-Bush..."the real President Dick Cheney"?  That quote alone rips to shreds any credibility one could have possibly gleaned from it.
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ok how much sense does it make to completely ignore facts and common sense because of someone elses inclination that cheney commands more respect than bush?!?super goyism
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I don't completely ignore facts or common sense. If I did that, I'd be a Michael Moore fan. I find it just a LITTLE hard to believe that President Bush, who liberals love to attack as being a moron, has somehow managed to outsmart every branch of government and the American people into allowing him authority to turn America into a dictatorship where opposition is violently silenced by the military. But I guess it is possible, because he's a REPUBLICAN...and, as we all know, they eat babies covered with ketchup made from ground up puppies! All because they love money and corporations more than they love their country. You wanna talk about that, look at every liberal's best friend, Mr. Moore...the man who claims to love socialism, while raking in hundreds of millions of dollars for movies and books, then charging colleges $40,000 per visit while many Republican speakers do it for free.

If you can prove to me, without a doubt, with concrete evidence other than a paranoid Canadian's conspiracy theory or ultra left wing conjecture and mudslinging, I'll believe you in a heartbeat.
matthewgoad
OlDrippy34 I am quickly becoming a fan. Please keep up the good work..

The liberals sure are riled up today..
The Skeptic Eric Raven
I just did my tax returns. Just because of the amount of tax I paid, I could never be liberal.lol They would give away all my earnings.
matthewgoad
I stand corrected ericraven
Sunofone
QUOTE(OlDrippy34 @ Feb 14 2005, 01:38 PM)
I don't completely ignore facts or common sense.  If I did that, I'd be a Michael Moore fan.  I find it just a LITTLE hard to believe that President Bush, who liberals love to attack as being a moron, has somehow managed to outsmart every branch of government and the American people into allowing him authority to turn America into a dictatorship where opposition is violently silenced by the military.  But I guess it is possible, because he's a REPUBLICAN...and, as we all know, they eat babies covered with ketchup made from ground up puppies!  All because they love money and corporations more than they love their country.  You wanna talk about that, look at every liberal's best friend, Mr. Moore...the man who claims to love socialism, while raking in hundreds of millions of dollars for movies and books, then charging colleges $40,000 per visit while many Republican speakers do it for free. 

If you can prove to me, without a doubt, with concrete evidence other than a paranoid Canadian's conspiracy theory or ultra left wing conjecture and mudslinging, I'll believe you in a heartbeat.
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you are so totally clueless its pathetic-your still making mental decisions based on the theatre that shows liberals and mm as being seperate entities-had you been paying attention you would have noticed i stated that mm (and liberals for that matter)is nothing more than a paper doll used to throw rocks at -they are all the same and working for the same end-mm is just as responsible for covering up 9/11 as fox is-your sitting there trying to make bush look like some kind of foolish country boy who fooled everybody when its you who is being tricked-dont try and put words in my mouth as to what i believe bush is or isnt-hes a cia child born with a silver swatzika in his mouth and he aint no texan-nothing makes me sicker than having an evil sadistic oil baron staining the reputation of my home-the proof is all around you and i dont want or need you to believe me just use common sense and the truth will reveal itself to you-the only problem is youve been decieved to such an extent that accepting the truth is going to be such a traumatic event that you may never have the capacity to accept it
OlDrippy34
QUOTE(Sunofone @ Feb 15 2005, 02:01 AM)
you are so totally clueless its pathetic-your still making mental decisions based on the theatre that shows liberals and mm as being seperate entities-had you been paying attention you would have noticed i stated that mm (and liberals for that matter)is nothing more than a paper doll used to throw rocks at -they are all the same and working for the same end-mm is just as responsible for covering up 9/11 as fox is-your sitting there trying to make bush look like some kind of foolish country boy who fooled everybody when its you who is being tricked-dont try and put words in my mouth as to what i believe bush is or isnt-hes a cia child born with a silver swatzika in his mouth and he aint no texan-nothing makes me sicker than having an evil sadistic oil baron staining the reputation of my home-the proof is all around you and i dont want or need you to believe me just use common sense and the truth will reveal itself to you-the only problem is youve been decieved to such an extent that accepting the truth is going to be such a traumatic event that you may never have the capacity to accept it
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I may never have the capacity to accept the truth? I'm pathetic? I at least have the capacity to use punctuation and decent spelling, and maintain civility in a debate. I'll tell you what's pathetic. These people who believe that everything is a government conspiracy, that big corporations are the devil solely because they're big corporations. These people who believe that Bush is an "evil, sadistic oil baron," without any proof other than their blind hatred of corporate America. Where's the evil? Where's the sadism? I haven't seen a damn thing from our President in four years in office to indicate that he's a sadist or evil. The Bush/Hitler comparison is tired and inaccurate, and simply put, asinine.

I really would like to know how people like you manage to think the way they do. It really amazes me that the little voice the rest of us have doesn't kick in and just say "Damn, dude...you're an idiot." I really do apologize if I angered you to a point where you were too blinded by rage to punctuate, comrade.

Damn, though. With opinions as original as "Bush is a Nazi born with a silver swastika in his mouth," you really belong in Hollywood, buddy. You'd fit right in with the rest of the commies.

Next time you come at me do it with some grace, civility, and dignity. And maybe throw in a period or two so I'll be able to tell when you took a breath in your rambling.

By the way, I read over some of your other posts...you seem to like saying "You're only fooling yourself!" and "You don't want to know the truth!" and things of that nature an aweful lot. Please, then, O Enlightened One, impart upon us the vast truths of thine infinite knowledge. Just think for a while, man. Maybe things simply ARE as cut and dried as they seem. Maybe, just maybe, there's not a government conspiracy surrounding everything, like how the evil Republican party committed 9/11 to trick the American people or how My Little Pony brainwashes children or blah blah blah. I just picture you sitting in a little ramshackle hut in the backwoods of Texas, too paranoid to leave the house since the government will lobotimize you because you "know too much."
Stellar
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By the way, I read over some of your other posts...you seem to like saying "You're only fooling yourself!" and "You don't want to know the truth!" and things of that nature an aweful lot.


Thats exactly what he does. Being shown credible evidence that disputes his beliefs... evidence straight out an encyclopedia for example, he says its all lies and propoganda, and that I just dont want to know the truth.

dmgspycat
ol drippy said:I don't completely ignore facts or common sense. If I did that, I'd be a Michael Moore fan. I find it just a LITTLE hard to believe that President Bush, who liberals love to attack as being a moron, has somehow managed to outsmart every branch of government and the American people into allowing him authority to turn America into a dictatorship where opposition is violently silenced by the military. But I guess it is possible, because he's a REPUBLICAN...and, as we all know, they eat babies covered with ketchup made from ground up puppies! All because they love money and corporations more than they love their country. You wanna talk about that, look at every liberal's best friend, Mr. Moore...the man who claims to love socialism, while raking in hundreds of millions of dollars for movies and books, then charging colleges $40,000 per visit while many Republican speakers do it for free.

If you can prove to me, without a doubt, with concrete evidence other than a paranoid Canadian's conspiracy theory or ultra left wing conjecture and mudslinging, I'll believe you in a heartbeat.
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dmgspycat: Thats funny but the sad truth is that Bush is the perfect choice for the military-industrial complex. Why? That family has been running with a pack of wolves since the Bay of Pigs, and the Bushes know all the secrets. They will do anything to cover up for their buds with the agenda because the family has made mad loot with nazi's and drugrunning(remember the CIA GOT CAUGHT RUNNING COCAINE PASTE) in the 1980's. His father was a CIA head in the 70's at the time two Chilean diplomats were assassinated in WashDC. This family is all about murder to retain their power and their freinds power. It's happening but you refuse to see it? Read Greg Palast.
matthewgoad
Ding Ding Ding.. We have a winner. OlDrippy my friend you just seem to get better with time! I love it.
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