This has been bugging me for about 15 years.... I'm using the
following song because that was what I was listening to when I
first came up with this, but it could be any song or book or something
like that....
Supposing I went back in time to before Paul Williams wrote the
lyrics to "Rainy Days And Mondays" and recited the words of the song
to him and he wrote them down to pass off as his own....
Now the bit that bugs me is.... WHERE did the song come from ??? I mean I DIDN'T write/create it but then NEITHER did he... SO WHERE DID THE SONG COME FROM ??????????????
Please someone come up with something !!!!!!!
All (polite) suggestions appreciated
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answer me this, if you went back in time and gave the lyrics to paul williams and then went on to kill your father, would you have been able to go back to give the lyrics to paul before he wrote them even though you only wrote them because you heard them from him and were born because your father was alive but was murdered before you were born when you went back in time?
figure that out and you got your answer
figure that out and you got your answer
hahaha i hate these paradox thingies.
It's like the simpliest one:
If today, you went back in time you yesterday, and killed yourself, you would be dead today and therefore unable to go back in time and kill yourself yesterday, WHICH in turn would make it so that actually you would still be alive today to go back in time yesterday and kill yourself since you were dead and couldn't travel back and kill yourself, meaning that your older self would actually still be alive and as such you would be able to go back in time and kill yourself......
Argh!
In short, it's impossible, so don't worry about it.
It's like the simpliest one:
If today, you went back in time you yesterday, and killed yourself, you would be dead today and therefore unable to go back in time and kill yourself yesterday, WHICH in turn would make it so that actually you would still be alive today to go back in time yesterday and kill yourself since you were dead and couldn't travel back and kill yourself, meaning that your older self would actually still be alive and as such you would be able to go back in time and kill yourself......
Argh!
In short, it's impossible, so don't worry about it.
seriously though, what you brought up is a major paradox of time travel, dont feel bad that you cant figure it out becase no one else has either there are 2 theorys though on it
the first being that when you travel back in time you travel to an alternate universe where what ever you do has no effect on the universe you've traveled from, this derives from the multi-verse theory and would hold true if indeed we live in a multi-verse
the other is that everything is predestined, and that no matter how hard you tried you would be unable to give those lyrics to paul, and you would be unable to kill your father
the only problem is that if the first theory is correct, our whole understanding of the universe may have to be reconsidered, and if the second is correct ,do we really have free will?
the first being that when you travel back in time you travel to an alternate universe where what ever you do has no effect on the universe you've traveled from, this derives from the multi-verse theory and would hold true if indeed we live in a multi-verse
the other is that everything is predestined, and that no matter how hard you tried you would be unable to give those lyrics to paul, and you would be unable to kill your father
the only problem is that if the first theory is correct, our whole understanding of the universe may have to be reconsidered, and if the second is correct ,do we really have free will?
hmmmm, what if when he went back in time and gave the lyrics to paul, but when given paul the lyrics he said them(or wrote them) wrong?
paul would prolly then be like "ok i really like these lyrics, but i can make it better so ill change it like this". and in doing so, paul then comes up with the correct version of the song, that he heard 15 some years ago, so then we wouldnt need worry bout the whole space time thingy or multiverse thingy.
so then the song would actually come from paul even though for the most part you gave him the lyrics to begin with.
this sounds familiar cause most have seen it in (a) movie(s) called the terminator,
where the robots send annother bot back to present day to kill the leader of a rebalious freedom faction before he becomes that leader and in trying to prevent that from happing
and changes the events involed, cause them to come about but in a diffrent way.
so no matter how paul gets the lyics their still his lyrics and thts where you heard it.
i would say once something has happend , going back could not stop it from happing again, it would still happen but in a diffrent way,perhaps even put it off for a while,like some of elvis's lost songs he recorded but didnt get serculated till years after his death.(you see even if the lyrics and music notes and all where correct they might just be found later where as paul could not say hey some guy gave that to me, we would just think he came up with it) and i would like to belive that we still have free will as far as the future is concerned and the choices we make.
great topic
paul would prolly then be like "ok i really like these lyrics, but i can make it better so ill change it like this". and in doing so, paul then comes up with the correct version of the song, that he heard 15 some years ago, so then we wouldnt need worry bout the whole space time thingy or multiverse thingy.
so then the song would actually come from paul even though for the most part you gave him the lyrics to begin with.
this sounds familiar cause most have seen it in (a) movie(s) called the terminator,
where the robots send annother bot back to present day to kill the leader of a rebalious freedom faction before he becomes that leader and in trying to prevent that from happing
and changes the events involed, cause them to come about but in a diffrent way.
so no matter how paul gets the lyics their still his lyrics and thts where you heard it.
i would say once something has happend , going back could not stop it from happing again, it would still happen but in a diffrent way,perhaps even put it off for a while,like some of elvis's lost songs he recorded but didnt get serculated till years after his death.(you see even if the lyrics and music notes and all where correct they might just be found later where as paul could not say hey some guy gave that to me, we would just think he came up with it) and i would like to belive that we still have free will as far as the future is concerned and the choices we make.
great topic
This is why humanity should not screw around with time travel...
QUOTE(Athenian @ Feb 8 2005, 03:24 PM)
This is why humanity should not screw around with time travel...
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lol yah, i do agree.
why change the past when we can shape the future, i mean i would like to see my 401k and ira savens increase in my near future.
heres hopin
Hi To All,
Thanks very much for the suggestions/answers so far.
To be quite honest though with some of the things said I'm more screwed up than EVER, but thanks all the same.....
Ps -To "Athenian" I quite agree !!
Thanks very much for the suggestions/answers so far.
To be quite honest though with some of the things said I'm more screwed up than EVER, but thanks all the same.....
Ps -To "Athenian" I quite agree !!
QUOTE(boooyah @ Feb 8 2005, 01:23 PM)
hmmmm, what if when he went back in time and gave the lyrics to paul, but when given paul the lyrics he said them(or wrote them) wrong?
paul would prolly then be like "ok i really like these lyrics, but i can make it better so ill change it like this". and in doing so, paul then comes up with the correct version of the song, that he heard 15 some years ago, so then we wouldnt need worry bout the whole space time thingy or multiverse thingy.
so then the song would actually come from paul even though for the most part you gave him the lyrics to begin with.
this sounds familiar cause most have seen it in (a) movie(s) called the terminator,
where the robots send annother bot back to present day to kill the leader of a rebalious freedom faction before he becomes that leader and in trying to prevent that from happing
and changes the events involed, cause them to come about but in a diffrent way.
so no matter how paul gets the lyics their still his lyrics and thts where you heard it.
i would say once something has happend , going back could not stop it from happing again, it would still happen but in a diffrent way,perhaps even put it off for a while,like some of elvis's lost songs he recorded but didnt get serculated till years after his death.(you see even if the lyrics and music notes and all where correct they might just be found later where as paul could not say hey some guy gave that to me, we would just think he came up with it) and i would like to belive that we still have free will as far as the future is concerned and the choices we make.
great topic
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paul would prolly then be like "ok i really like these lyrics, but i can make it better so ill change it like this". and in doing so, paul then comes up with the correct version of the song, that he heard 15 some years ago, so then we wouldnt need worry bout the whole space time thingy or multiverse thingy.
so then the song would actually come from paul even though for the most part you gave him the lyrics to begin with.
this sounds familiar cause most have seen it in (a) movie(s) called the terminator,
where the robots send annother bot back to present day to kill the leader of a rebalious freedom faction before he becomes that leader and in trying to prevent that from happing
and changes the events involed, cause them to come about but in a diffrent way.
so no matter how paul gets the lyics their still his lyrics and thts where you heard it.
i would say once something has happend , going back could not stop it from happing again, it would still happen but in a diffrent way,perhaps even put it off for a while,like some of elvis's lost songs he recorded but didnt get serculated till years after his death.(you see even if the lyrics and music notes and all where correct they might just be found later where as paul could not say hey some guy gave that to me, we would just think he came up with it) and i would like to belive that we still have free will as far as the future is concerned and the choices we make.
great topic
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with that theory holding true that would mean the future has allready been written
if you think of every moment of time as a bubble, each singly existing on it own with every thing that exists at any given time encapsulated within that bubble. There are infinite number of these all existing at the same time, with subtle differences accounting for change (as we know things do change and that is how time moves forward althought its totally arbitrary it could be moving in sense "backwards" but if you lived life backwards it would seem normal..whoo wrap your mind around that one).
So time travel would involve somehow puncturing that bubble and inserting yourself in a time when you either did not exist (or once existed or conversely had not existed yet) then you would be unable to either change the past or change the future. And since those bubbles are just one tiny fraction of time where nothing is moving, I think you could only observe, and even then would only experience the world of the past or future as a worldscape around you where no one could either see or notice your presence.
I think if there were a chance to change the future, there would be no paradoxes. The song as your instance uses, exists, it existed before we came to know it before it was even written and that it will forever exist. Since all time is happening at once its a matter of "noticing" or "creating" it, doesn't matter who does it or when.
There was a time and a calculated time when the earth did not exist and a time when it will not, however knowing that doesn't change that for this moment it is here. I think those bubbles could be considered universes in thir own right if only for that within those bubbles time isn't moving, its only when you string those bubbles together that they make cohesive time that can be felt. On the off chance that you changed something it would break the chain and time would end.
So time travel would involve somehow puncturing that bubble and inserting yourself in a time when you either did not exist (or once existed or conversely had not existed yet) then you would be unable to either change the past or change the future. And since those bubbles are just one tiny fraction of time where nothing is moving, I think you could only observe, and even then would only experience the world of the past or future as a worldscape around you where no one could either see or notice your presence.
I think if there were a chance to change the future, there would be no paradoxes. The song as your instance uses, exists, it existed before we came to know it before it was even written and that it will forever exist. Since all time is happening at once its a matter of "noticing" or "creating" it, doesn't matter who does it or when.
There was a time and a calculated time when the earth did not exist and a time when it will not, however knowing that doesn't change that for this moment it is here. I think those bubbles could be considered universes in thir own right if only for that within those bubbles time isn't moving, its only when you string those bubbles together that they make cohesive time that can be felt. On the off chance that you changed something it would break the chain and time would end.
QUOTE(darkmoonlady @ Feb 9 2005, 12:23 AM)
if you think of every moment of time as a bubble, each singly existing on it own with every thing that exists at any given time encapsulated within that bubble. There are infinite number of these all existing at the same time, with subtle differences accounting for change (as we know things do change and that is how time moves forward althought its totally arbitrary it could be moving in sense "backwards" but if you lived life backwards it would seem normal..whoo wrap your mind around that one).
So time travel would involve somehow puncturing that bubble and inserting yourself in a time when you either did not exist (or once existed or conversely had not existed yet) then you would be unable to either change the past or change the future. And since those bubbles are just one tiny fraction of time where nothing is moving, I think you could only observe, and even then would only experience the world of the past or future as a worldscape around you where no one could either see or notice your presence.
I think if there were a chance to change the future, there would be no paradoxes. The song as your instance uses, exists, it existed before we came to know it before it was even written and that it will forever exist. Since all time is happening at once its a matter of "noticing" or "creating" it, doesn't matter who does it or when.
There was a time and a calculated time when the earth did not exist and a time when it will not, however knowing that doesn't change that for this moment it is here. I think those bubbles could be considered universes in thir own right if only for that within those bubbles time isn't moving, its only when you string those bubbles together that they make cohesive time that can be felt. On the off chance that you changed something it would break the chain and time would end.
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So time travel would involve somehow puncturing that bubble and inserting yourself in a time when you either did not exist (or once existed or conversely had not existed yet) then you would be unable to either change the past or change the future. And since those bubbles are just one tiny fraction of time where nothing is moving, I think you could only observe, and even then would only experience the world of the past or future as a worldscape around you where no one could either see or notice your presence.
I think if there were a chance to change the future, there would be no paradoxes. The song as your instance uses, exists, it existed before we came to know it before it was even written and that it will forever exist. Since all time is happening at once its a matter of "noticing" or "creating" it, doesn't matter who does it or when.
There was a time and a calculated time when the earth did not exist and a time when it will not, however knowing that doesn't change that for this moment it is here. I think those bubbles could be considered universes in thir own right if only for that within those bubbles time isn't moving, its only when you string those bubbles together that they make cohesive time that can be felt. On the off chance that you changed something it would break the chain and time would end.
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a scary thought
but chances are that some one in the universe has tryed it even though they knew that mite happen and they did it any way and as far as i know where all still here
the only dilemma i see here is, why give lyrics to paul williams, of all the artists from the past, why him?
you might as well go back and try to fix milli vanilli's career.
you might as well go back and try to fix milli vanilli's career.
with that theory holding true that would mean the future has allready been written
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yeah your correct with that one i think i talked my self down the wrong rabbit hole there.
what i was trying to say is that the time traverler could not stop sumthing from happing ing in the past but rather perspon it or cause it to happen in a diffrent way,only to end up with the same outcome.
like in the terminators movies.
i think its kinda like the person cant change any after the point they timed traveled(back of course).
theres diffrent ways for me to look at it i can name 2 off hand so here goes.
you breack a glass containing water(or what ever liquid you prefer) which is sittin on your desk which is housing your computer, the liquid spills, shorting out your top of the line computer, then the phone rings your so compleatly pissed off that you dont answer the phone and instead decide to build a time machine( go you). it takes all of three minites cause your gifted(no sarcasim their ,really im being honest, and please dont make fun of me cause my spellin.lol).
so you travel back in time to said event and you remeber that your not gonna break that glass of of fluid, so you step back from the desk thinking (im not gonna ruin my kick arss computer), then the phone rings, you then reach for it cause you missed the call before, knocken over the glass, not breaken it just spilling it, agin you thrashed your computer.
say time travel is already possible bout theirs this guy named after his grandfather(not i ok cause this is kinda indecent) but he never met his grand daddy, and wanted too so he traveled back to meet him upon meetin him(his granddaddy) the grandson parishes by a bolt of lightning,heart attack, brain anerisim what ever the grandson can travel back cause he grew to adulthood in the future to do so, and sense he was an adult when he traveled back to meet his grandpa. in that sense the future is set even though he died in the past his(*shrudder the thought*uuuuchhh-- ulllllccccchhhhh...barf*) grand parents then hooked up an was knocken the boots
for many nights to come 
which still allowed the grandson from the future to meet the grandfather he never met only to die in the past.its a paradox yes but the future i think would continue for those who did not go back simply because from the point of origen they made diffrent choises(everyone cept the grandson),the paradox is only for the travaler see he went to the past so theres the continuos loop(where as at that moment he chose to go back to meet his grandfather and die, he might have deciced to go to the future30 years from that point, and that future dose not exist whim him in it cause he just vanished 30 years prior, andsay he gets hit by a low flying car hover car,after recovering he can return to the time he came from warn him self of said accedent. now if the grandson decide hell no with the time travel bit i think im just gonna go to work to day instead, the duplacate that went to the future would cest to exist(even if he decide ok ill go to the future but at such point ill just duck) because the granson decided not to(or to/but carefully) travel to said said destination. so then the future could not be set by him simply cause he didnt exist in the future to beging with cause he vanihed 30 some year prior. and sense he didnt exist in that future it allwoed him self to change the past,to change the future(insert paradox) to change another past if he screwed up just to change another future ect. aollowing fot multiverse too exist in the future only because he or we havent made what ever choices to create such future..
sorry got carried away tired thired shift and all reall bits
but you my friend"seeking" you rock
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yeah your correct with that one i think i talked my self down the wrong rabbit hole there.
what i was trying to say is that the time traverler could not stop sumthing from happing ing in the past but rather perspon it or cause it to happen in a diffrent way,only to end up with the same outcome.
like in the terminators movies.
i think its kinda like the person cant change any after the point they timed traveled(back of course).
theres diffrent ways for me to look at it i can name 2 off hand so here goes.
you breack a glass containing water(or what ever liquid you prefer) which is sittin on your desk which is housing your computer, the liquid spills, shorting out your top of the line computer, then the phone rings your so compleatly pissed off that you dont answer the phone and instead decide to build a time machine(
go you). it takes all of three minites cause your gifted(no sarcasim their ,really im being honest, and please dont make fun of me cause my spellin.lol).so you travel back in time to said event and you remeber that your not gonna break that glass of of fluid, so you step back from the desk thinking (im not gonna ruin my kick arss computer), then the phone rings, you then reach for it cause you missed the call before, knocken over the glass, not breaken it just spilling it, agin you thrashed your computer.
say time travel is already possible bout theirs this guy named after his grandfather(not i ok cause this is kinda indecent) but he never met his grand daddy, and wanted too so he traveled back to meet him upon meetin him(his granddaddy) the grandson parishes by a bolt of lightning,heart attack, brain anerisim what ever the grandson can travel back cause he grew to adulthood in the future to do so, and sense he was an adult when he traveled back to meet his grandpa. in that sense the future is set even though he died in the past his(*shrudder the thought*uuuuchhh-- ulllllccccchhhhh...barf*) grand parents then hooked up an was knocken the boots
for many nights to come which still allowed the grandson from the future to meet the grandfather he never met only to die in the past.its a paradox yes but the future i think would continue for those who did not go back simply because from the point of origen they made diffrent choises(everyone cept the grandson),the paradox is only for the travaler see he went to the past so theres the continuos loop(where as at that moment he chose to go back to meet his grandfather and die, he might have deciced to go to the future30 years from that point, and that future dose not exist whim him in it cause he just vanished 30 years prior, andsay he gets hit by a low flying car hover car,after recovering he can return to the time he came from warn him self of said accedent. now if the grandson decide hell no with the time travel bit i think im just gonna go to work to day instead, the duplacate that went to the future would cest to exist(even if he decide ok ill go to the future but at such point ill just duck) because the granson decided not to(or to/but carefully) travel to said said destination. so then the future could not be set by him simply cause he didnt exist in the future to beging with cause he vanihed 30 some year prior. and sense he didnt exist in that future it allwoed him self to change the past,to change the future(insert paradox) to change another past if he screwed up just to change another future ect. aollowing fot multiverse too exist in the future only because he or we havent made what ever choices to create such future..sorry got carried away tired thired shift and all reall bits
but you my friend"seeking" you rock
Time Travel is not possble in the physical universe. All is as it should be. Its a wasted exercise all, Paul Williams wrote the song. And for the one that said something in the future was gonna happen, it will. 
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with that theory holding true that would mean the future has allready been written
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yeah your correct with that one i think i talked my self down the wrong rabbit hole there.
what i was trying to say is that the time traverler could not stop sumthing from happing ing in the past but rather perspon it or cause it to happen in a diffrent way,only to end up with the same outcome.
like in the terminators movies.
i think its kinda like the person cant change any after the point they timed traveled(back of course).
theres diffrent ways for me to look at it i can name 2 off hand so here goes.
you breack a glass containing water(or what ever liquid you prefer) which is sittin on your desk which is housing your computer, the liquid spills, shorting out your top of the line computer, then the phone rings your so compleatly pissed off that you dont answer the phone and instead decide to build a time machine( go you). it takes all of three minites cause your gifted(no sarcasim their ,really im being honest, and please dont make fun of me cause my spellin.lol).
so you travel back in time to said event and you remeber that your not gonna break that glass of of fluid, so you step back from the desk thinking (im not gonna ruin my kick arss computer), then the phone rings, you then reach for it cause you missed the call before, knocken over the glass, not breaken it just spilling it, agin you thrashed your computer.
say time travel is already possible bout theirs this guy named after his grandfather(not i ok cause this is kinda indecent) but he never met his grand daddy, and wanted too so he traveled back to meet him upon meetin him(his granddaddy) the grandson parishes by a bolt of lightning,heart attack, brain anerisim what ever the grandson can travel back cause he grew to adulthood in the future to do so, and sense he was an adult when he traveled back to meet his grandpa. in that sense the future is set even though he died in the past his(*shrudder the thought*uuuuchhh-- ulllllccccchhhhh...barf*) grand parents then hooked up an was knocken the boots for many nights to come which still allowed the grandson from the future to meet the grandfather he never met only to die in the past.its a paradox yes but the future i think would continue for those who did not go back simply because from the point of origen they made diffrent choises(everyone cept the grandson),the paradox is only for the travaler see he went to the past so theres the continuos loop(where as at that moment he chose to go back to meet his grandfather and die, he might have deciced to go to the future30 years from that point, and that future dose not exist whim him in it cause he just vanished 30 years prior, andsay he gets hit by a low flying car hover car,after recovering he can return to the time he came from warn him self of said accedent. now if the grandson decide hell no with the time travel bit i think im just gonna go to work to day instead, the duplacate that went to the future would cest to exist(even if he decide ok ill go to the future but at such point ill just duck) because the granson decided not to(or to/but carefully) travel to said said destination. so then the future could not be set by him simply cause he didnt exist in the future to beging with cause he vanihed 30 some year prior. and sense he didnt exist in that future it allwoed him self to change the past,to change the future(insert paradox) to change another past if he screwed up just to change another future ect. aollowing fot multiverse too exist in the future only because he or we havent made what ever choices to create such future..
sorry got carried away tired thired shift and all reall bits
but you my friend"seeking" you rock
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i understand what you are trying to get at, and it is plausible and as a matter of fact how id expect it to happen if indeed the future was set in stone
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thank you
with that theory holding true that would mean the future has allready been written
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yeah your correct with that one i think i talked my self down the wrong rabbit hole there.
what i was trying to say is that the time traverler could not stop sumthing from happing ing in the past but rather perspon it or cause it to happen in a diffrent way,only to end up with the same outcome.
like in the terminators movies.
i think its kinda like the person cant change any after the point they timed traveled(back of course).
theres diffrent ways for me to look at it i can name 2 off hand so here goes.
you breack a glass containing water(or what ever liquid you prefer) which is sittin on your desk which is housing your computer, the liquid spills, shorting out your top of the line computer, then the phone rings your so compleatly pissed off that you dont answer the phone and instead decide to build a time machine(
go you). it takes all of three minites cause your gifted(no sarcasim their ,really im being honest, and please dont make fun of me cause my spellin.lol).so you travel back in time to said event and you remeber that your not gonna break that glass of of fluid, so you step back from the desk thinking (im not gonna ruin my kick arss computer), then the phone rings, you then reach for it cause you missed the call before, knocken over the glass, not breaken it just spilling it, agin you thrashed your computer.
say time travel is already possible bout theirs this guy named after his grandfather(not i ok cause this is kinda indecent) but he never met his grand daddy, and wanted too so he traveled back to meet him upon meetin him(his granddaddy) the grandson parishes by a bolt of lightning,heart attack, brain anerisim what ever the grandson can travel back cause he grew to adulthood in the future to do so, and sense he was an adult when he traveled back to meet his grandpa. in that sense the future is set even though he died in the past his(*shrudder the thought*uuuuchhh-- ulllllccccchhhhh...barf*) grand parents then hooked up an was knocken the boots
for many nights to come which still allowed the grandson from the future to meet the grandfather he never met only to die in the past.its a paradox yes but the future i think would continue for those who did not go back simply because from the point of origen they made diffrent choises(everyone cept the grandson),the paradox is only for the travaler see he went to the past so theres the continuos loop(where as at that moment he chose to go back to meet his grandfather and die, he might have deciced to go to the future30 years from that point, and that future dose not exist whim him in it cause he just vanished 30 years prior, andsay he gets hit by a low flying car hover car,after recovering he can return to the time he came from warn him self of said accedent. now if the grandson decide hell no with the time travel bit i think im just gonna go to work to day instead, the duplacate that went to the future would cest to exist(even if he decide ok ill go to the future but at such point ill just duck) because the granson decided not to(or to/but carefully) travel to said said destination. so then the future could not be set by him simply cause he didnt exist in the future to beging with cause he vanihed 30 some year prior. and sense he didnt exist in that future it allwoed him self to change the past,to change the future(insert paradox) to change another past if he screwed up just to change another future ect. aollowing fot multiverse too exist in the future only because he or we havent made what ever choices to create such future..sorry got carried away tired thired shift and all reall bits
but you my friend"seeking" you rock
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i understand what you are trying to get at, and it is plausible and as a matter of fact how id expect it to happen if indeed the future was set in stone
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thank you
well the past is set in stone the i dont belive is.a travaler from the future to the past would only slightly alter events but they would still occur.
someone leaping in to the future would only leap in to a future void of thier presence until the moment they arrive(heres the thing), this i would like to think of as a false future because thier presence in the past or actions is need to shape the future, so the person could what ever they pretty muched pleased with much worrie so long as they servived long enough to make it back to the present(time prior to leaven to the future)and tell your sefl watch out for this and dont do that or whatever. now so long as you listen to your self before you left you could change those events from happening.
now if your not a importent figure in society(i.e. mayor presadent goverment agent ect.) and your presence in this time right now wouldnt for any great part impact the future with out you to shape it, you could travel forward like a month or two buy the a news paper gett last months winning lotto results(that is saying nobody won it) travel back to the moment you left assuming you arrived saftly you could play those numbers and in theorie win the lotto only because actions that shaped the future for there to be a winner hadent happen(i.e. you left the present to go to a future you didnt exist in, grabed the numbers came bact to the present and then reshaped the future cause now your a multi millioniar.)
which reminds me paul could not have come to the future and read your lyrics, if he try'd head only find out he hasent written them,or he could have came to the future and ripped them off of sume other future artist go back and claime them as his own..
dude paul could have stolen your song and thats why its been eatting yah up for fifteen years
Seeking I wanna get in here with ya but i am just a layman. You do ROCK DUDE so dont think I am slapping at ya ok.
What you are talking about cant happen.
What technology can you use to beat all those photons that will be blasting you in the face when you are traveling back ? Ya know to get back, Ya gotta go forward Right ? And how will you attain the velocity ?
John Williams wrote the song dude no changing it ! What you see is what you get.
You do rock though .
What you are talking about cant happen.
What technology can you use to beat all those photons that will be blasting you in the face when you are traveling back ? Ya know to get back, Ya gotta go forward Right ? And how will you attain the velocity ?
John Williams wrote the song dude no changing it ! What you see is what you get.
You do rock though .
"John Williams wrote the song dude no changing it ! What you see is what you get. :alien: "
Well thanks for your input "Einstein's Spirit" but someone must have gone
back and CHANGED something 'coz when I posted the query "PAUL" not "john" Williams had written the song. lol !! :)
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