et's daddy
Feb 9 2005, 06:48 PM
id like to get personal opinions about the medium john edwards
or if there is such a thread pls direct me. i did a search but didnt find anything
personally i find all his apparent connections to things it would seem he would have no way of knowing to be more then just coincidence and smoke and mirrors
HowdyDoo
Feb 9 2005, 07:05 PM
I've heard horrible things about John Edwards from skeptics. Skeptics love to say horrible things, heh heh.
I've read a few of John's books, watched his show numerous times, and saw an independent show where they tried to test John's powers, but he wasn't very successful. It looked bad for him, but he was under a lot of pressure, the individuals testing him seemed a bit hostile--and if hostile is too harsh a word, they were definitely not unbiased. I could see where he'd have trouble concentrating, since most of his readings are done after meditation.
From reading his books, I find him a caring, warm, interesting individual that appears to have some form of phsyic ability and mediumship.
You will hear from the skeptics loudly on this, I'm sure. This is just my opinion.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Feb 9 2005, 07:14 PM
I believe it is called cold reading. There are books on it out there on how to do it. Not supernatural at all. I had a friend in the audience of one of his shows a long time ago. He said they edit it alot. They never show the number of various questions he asks before he gets a hit in the audience. You ask enough vague questions, and you will eventually find someone that it fits.
HowdyDoo
Feb 9 2005, 07:17 PM
I also heard from a lady who was in the audience of one of his shows. He gave her a reading and he came up with information that she had not discussed previously in the stadium or anywhere on the way to the show. It was very descriptive information that seemed impossible to be the result of a cold reading. Skeptics always want you to see only their side.
et's daddy
Feb 9 2005, 07:31 PM
i saw a show of his where he described that this person had a NY Mets pennant hanging in their laundry room--------and it among other "hits" he gave were true
that seems pretty amazing to me
now im not trying to say he has an open line with the other side
i just think he gets more then random coincidence
HowdyDoo
Feb 9 2005, 07:36 PM
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 9 2005, 07:31 PM)
i saw a show of his where he described that this person had a NY Mets pennant hanging in their laundry room--------and it among other "hits" he gave were true
that seems pretty amazing to me
now im not trying to say he has an open line with the other side
i just think he gets more then random coincidence
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I have to agree with you on that. I've seen too many specific hits that can't been explained away with a "cold reading". That seems to be a catch phrase for those who aren't willing to even entertain the idea that he might be legitimate. The more passionate the skeptics, however, the more genuine the psychic in question appears to be. Again, that's my opinion from watching him, reading his books, and following information on an independent website from actual witnesses and subjects. I may be able to find a link to this site if you're interested.
Here's the site:
http://www.johnedwardfriends.org/home.shtmlIf you go to the message board, you can get eye-witness accounts and feedback from people who actually got read. You may need to register, just like with UM.
One more link with an interview with John. He hits on some very pertinent issues.
http://www.johnedwardtalk.org/showthread.php?t=12287
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Feb 9 2005, 07:46 PM
Howdy, you say sceptics only want to see there side. It seems you only want to believe in the most unlikley explanation. I am not saying this type of thing is not possible, I just don't see him as proof. I would sooner believe that Edwards had a limited form of physic ability to where he could skim surface thoughts then that he is contacting the other side.
HowdyDoo
Feb 9 2005, 07:53 PM
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Feb 9 2005, 07:46 PM)
Howdy, you say sceptics only want to see there side. It seems you only want to believe in the most unlikley explanation. I am not saying this type of thing is not possible, I just don't see him as proof. I would sooner believe that Edwards had a limited form of physic ability to where he could skim surface thoughts then that he is contacting the other side.

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Yes, I admit I'm pro-John right now. But I came to this conclusion after several years of research (reading books, looking up actual readings and results, watching his show, talking with a couple of his subjects.)
Many people will just say "cold reading" without doing any research into the person they're judging. I say, do some searching, find out what he's about, before you just cross him off as a crackpot.
et's daddy
Feb 9 2005, 08:15 PM
eric did you even read my post ?
you believe that the man in the audience was thinking about the Mets Pennant at the time ?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Feb 9 2005, 08:32 PM
Et. Read my post. I don't believe in him(John Edwards). I said I would sooner believe the physic thing. It had nothing to do with you post. Thanks. We have to agree to disagree.
HowdyDoo
Feb 9 2005, 08:50 PM
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:32 PM)
Et. Read my post. I don't believe in him(John Edwards). I said I would sooner believe the physic thing. It had nothing to do with you post. Thanks. We have to agree to disagree.
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This is common. Given specific events and a specific happening, they have no comment. If they can't solve it with the "cold reading" answer, they just refuse to believe it ever happened, or they just shut up. They refuse to believe that there just may be another answer.
Maybe John Edward is a very clever hoaxer. Maybe he is legit. I think further investigation is warranted.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Feb 9 2005, 08:55 PM
Howdy is that comment pointed toward me. I said there is the possiblity of this, but that I don't believe in John Edwards. If your trying to slam me, get it straight.
HowdyDoo
Feb 9 2005, 09:08 PM
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Feb 9 2005, 08:15 PM)
eric did you even read my post ?
you believe that the man in the audience was thinking about the Mets Pennant at the time ?
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ericraven2003:
I apologize if it appeared I was slamming you. Perhaps dealing with so many people on this website who refuse to even entertain certain ideas has jaded me.
I was referring to the fact that you won't answer this question other than you don't believe it was psychic ability or mediumship. Can you explain it another way? (A way that doesn't include a far fetched conspiracy theory of how John has spies that find out things like this for him.)
I'm still open to changing my mind about John, but give us proof he is a fraud.
If you choose not to respond, I'll respect that and leave it alone.
Tia
Feb 10 2005, 08:17 AM
I use to like John Edwards, but after seeing him live I'm no longer impressed.
I'm not a skeptic, but I believe him to be an average psychic with good promotional skills.
I've seen and heard a few unknown psychics who are by far more intuned then John Edwards.
Subtemperate
Feb 10 2005, 09:01 AM
I tend not to believe that someone who would have such a gift and knowledge that would come with that..... Would use that gift to make himself rich, rather then help humanity as a whole.....
"Yes, he does claim to speak to the dead, and for that he charges $750 for a 30 minute private session and upwards to $100 for his convention style group sessions."
Nethius
Feb 10 2005, 02:17 PM
It's called Cold Reading, like someone mentioned, and yes there are books on how to do it yourself! They edit the shows to no stop, they would never air one of his misses, which i guarentee there are lots.
Please watch South Park's episode(615), "The Biggest Douche In The Universe" for more info!
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 02:19 PM
QUOTE(Subtemperate @ Feb 10 2005, 09:01 AM)
I tend not to believe that someone who would have such a gift and knowledge that would come with that..... Would use that gift to make himself rich, rather then help humanity as a whole.....
"Yes, he does claim to speak to the dead, and for that he charges $750 for a 30 minute private session and upwards to $100 for his convention style group sessions."
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Read the link I gave earlier for an interview with John Edward. He talks about excessive charges for psychics. He charges under $500. Again, false information.
I agree that charging so much is troublesome. But he has given up his day job to do this. He has to support his family and a growing business (I'm sure he has to sign many paychecks.)
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 02:25 PM
QUOTE(Nethius @ Feb 10 2005, 02:17 PM)
It's called Cold Reading, like someone mentioned, and yes there are books on how to do it yourself! They edit the shows to no stop, they would never air one of his misses, which i guarentee there are lots.
Please watch South Park's episode(615), "The Biggest Douche In The Universe" for more info!
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Once again with the cold reading explanation. There are documented instances when the "cold reading" explanation doesn't fit. (Read above about the pendant thingy.) Explain it for me.
Oh, yes. South Park, a poorly animated propaganda mechanism concealed in trendy, vulgar humor, is an excellent source of information. I question your logic.
I guess the bottom line is this: Those who refuse to believe won't. I can't change anyone's mind and I really don't care to. Just get the facts straight and do some research before coming to conclusions. And I am willing to change my mind about John--if someone can give me more evidence than the "cold reading" generalization.
Subtemperate
Feb 10 2005, 02:49 PM
http://www.marcsalem.com/This gentleman also has the same ability to be able to read people and come up with stuff in live shows that people couldnt believe. he doesn't claim to be psychic, however going by what I can read on the last few pages he could be classed as one. if two men can both do something, and one of them tells you he is not a psychic.... what is the most likely answer...?
et's daddy
Feb 10 2005, 02:53 PM
pls all of you smart skeptics explain to me the Mets Pennant and i dont think it in any way could be cold reading that hit was dead on
Nethius
Feb 10 2005, 02:53 PM
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Oh, yes. South Park, a poorly animated propaganda mechanism concealed in trendy, vulgar humor, is an excellent source of information. I question your logic.
Dude that was a joke! But I do share their opinion on such people as John Edwards
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 02:54 PM
Interesting information.
I have done cold readings myself. I openly claimed I was a fake, but people refused to believe me. I was so accurate, because they wanted me to be.
I know that there are tricks people can play. I know people are very clever. I know that fake psychics abound.
Showing me an example of one doesn't prove anything in regards to John Edward.
Subtemperate
Feb 10 2005, 03:03 PM
I never saw the mets pennant, so how could I explain it to you.... Its like me asking you to explain to me my next door neighbours health problems. I cant even guess, without seeing or knowing some facts other then "explain how he could of guessed something"....
Anyway would someone with that ability reduce themselves to doing cold reading for 99 per cent of the show....
I mean, if he can get information from the other side to the detail of "he has a mets pennant in his laundry" why in the hell is he then asking questions saying... "They start with a J...."
I have seen various episodes, and I myself have never seen him stray from the cold reading technique....
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 03:06 PM
Again, a matter of opinion.
I have watched all his shows. I have seen him deliberately stay away from cold reading techniques. He even berates his subject from giving him too much information. How many shows have you watched, actually? Have you read any of his books? Have you read any of the reports from his subjects? I know he has misses. But have you read about the hits?
Subtemperate
Feb 10 2005, 03:12 PM
Heres a sample transcript from one of his episodes... with comments from someone explaining cold reading....
John Edward: They're either trying to tell me someone has a name like Celine [no immediate bites from the audience] ... or they want me to acknowledge a name like Celina [still no bites] ... but they're telling me to say Celine [as he motions the letter "C" with his index finger].
Female Guest: I have an Aunt Zia Lina.
Finally! Someone bites. An Aunt Zia Lina's name is volunteered by a female guest who appears to be in her 40's, attractive with auburn hair, wide open brown eyes, and dressed conservatively. Well ... Celina and Zia Lina sound close enough don't they? But what about John's rather adamant spelling of the letter "C" with his fingers? Maybe this was an illiterate spirit.
John Edward: Ok. Has she passed?
Female Guest: Yeah.
John Edward: Ok. We're going to start there.
At this point, ask yourself "What does John know so far?" He knows that this particular guest is willing to go that extra mile to help him connect his guesses with her answers. He gathered as much from the stretch from Celina and Zia Lina. John also knows this guest has an aunt who has passed away. Based upon the age of the guest (40'ish) and that the average life span of people in the U.S. is their mid-70's, John can assume that both her parents have also passed. Also, based upon the aunt's name John can determine that the family is of either a Latin or Greek descent.
Time to get the ball rolling. This next part is done at such speed, that the guest doesn't have time to respond, and that's the way it's suppose to be. Who would dare be rude enough to interrupt John while on TV. He knows this, you don't. Now, with lightning fast speed, John delivers the following:
John Edward: They're telling me to acknowledge November or the 11th of the month having some type of meaning because there's some kind of connection. They're making me feel like there's some type of mom vibration that's has passed because there's an older female coming through and I feel like [pause] ... is it your mom that's passed?
Female Guest: Yeah.
Ahhh! As expected, John is dipping into some of that information derived from what he gathered above. Based upon her age, odds are that the guest's mother has also passed but even if this guess is wrong, John can fall back on Aunt Zia Lina as the older female coming through. John continues with the following:
John Edward: Ok. She's making me feel like ...
She, as in the "mother," is making him feel? If John is already in touch with the mother, why did he previously have to ask if she had passed? As you noticed above, John did the same thing with the aunt, asking if she had already passed.
John Edward: She's telling me to say "R" ... there's an "R" connection so I don't know who the "R" is. [The maternal side isn't getting any positive response from the guest, so John switches to the paternal side] I think it's like on dad's side of the family ...
Female Guest: [The female guest is seen thinking hard, then appearing dumbfounded she finally shrugs her shoulders to signal John that she hasn't a clue what he's talking about].
John Edward: ... and I actually think it's a name like Reginald ... Regina ... there's like an "RG" sound or a last name "RG." I don't know what this means but they're telling me "R" and it sounds like with a "G" connected to it.
This is the second time is as many minutes that John has said, "I don't know what this means." John likes to use this statement when the guest isn't reponding well (or is that when his guesses are so far off?). He most often uses it in heated exchanges where the guest isn't given the opportunity to respond. If he's wrong, no one ever says anything. If he's right, when he finishes the exchange, the guest will most often pick out a single statement and comment on it. This gives John the opportunity to spit out dozens of guesses and the guest will only comment on the one which is right, making him look like he's actually communicating with a spirit. John continues guessing names:
John Edward: ... like Reg ... Raj [pause] ... sounds like Reg ...
Female Guest: [The guest just shrugs her shoulders to show a negative response].
John Edward: ... Reggie ... Roger ... there's an "R" sound ... Regina ... but there's something about ... like the name Regina they want me to acknowledge.
Thank the spirits it's only a half-hour show! We'd all hate to see John guess every name beginning with the letter "R" just to finally get it right. Frustrated, the guest herself voluteers a name, any name.
Female Guest: Virginia?
John Edward: Who is this?
Hey John? You're the psychic. You tell us!
Female Guest: My father's aunt who passed on.
In this particular instance, John just decides he's had enough and quickly moves on to another subject with no further explanation for the people behind the "C" and "R" names. Wrong guesses? You bet!
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 03:34 PM
Information given is definitely slanted against John.
Here's a link to an actual readings from the point of the subject.
http://www.johnedwardfriends.org/readingro...room-pn-1.shtmlHere is a testimonial, unfortunately the author preferred to remain anonymous; so therefore questionable. However, I remember this reading from the show and can verify it personally:
"When we went in, John was SO sweet and friendly and we all immediately were comfortable with him. The reading started out slowly, but within minutes, he determined that he was communicating with both my parents and my husband's mother. He asked my husband to move away from me, so that he could separate the energy's.
"We got so much validation from all that he said. The most significant validation, to me, was when he said that our Mom was saying "Isn't it wonderful that we are all still together?" My Dad died in January, and we are an exceptionally close family. Each day that we would see our Mom, she would always say "Isn't it wonderful that we are all still together?"
He used the EXACT words that Mom used. He also mentioned that there was a special inscription on their headstone - maybe their favorite poem or something. When my Dad died, my Mom had their favorite saying inscribed on his headstone.
He also mentioned that my mother died from vascular problems and not a heart attack, which is what the doctors told us. We all felt that was true, because Mom had very bad vascular problems. He said that my parents passed within a very short time of each other. They died exactly 3 months and 23 days apart.
He also mentioned that my husband's mother was watching over our son, Tommy (who we had been having problems with). He knew Tommy's name and age!! The few things that we were not sure about, came to be true within the next week after we spoke to more family members.
John "hit" on so many things that no one could possibly have known. After the session, John was courteous enough to sign all of our books and let us take not 1, but 5 pictures with all of us together. We left his office feeling numb, but so excited."
Oh my...now I have to keep searching the web...but this is a start. Of course, the skeptics will say this is all the result of cold readings, but how do you explain John repeating the headstone verse verbatim?
Oh, heck, here's a link to testimonials. Of course, they are pro-John:
http://www.johnedwardfriends.org/testimonials.shtml
Subtemperate
Feb 10 2005, 03:42 PM
Again, its hard to disprove heresay...but its flawed, which is why they can't use it in a court of law.
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Be that as it may, on Dateline Edward was actually caught in an attempt to pass off previously gained knowledge as spirit revelation. During the session he said of the spirits, "They're telling me to acknowledge Anthony," and when the cameraman signaled that was his name, Edward seemed surprised, asking "That's you? Really?" He further queried: "Had you not seen Dad before he passed? Had you either been away or been distanced?" Later, playing the taped segment for me, Dateline reporter John Hockenberry challenged me with Edward's apparent hit: "He got Anthony. That's pretty good." I agreed but added, "We've seen mediums who mill about before sessions and greet people and chat with them and pick up things."
Indeed, it turned out that that is just what Edward had done. Hours before the group reading, Tony had been the cameraman on another Edward shoot (recording him at his hobby, ballroom dancing). Significantly, the two men had chatted and Edward had obtained useful bits of information that he afterward pretended had come from the spirits. In a follow-up interview Hockenberry revealed the fact and grilled an evasive Edward:
HOCKENBERRY: So were you aware that his dad had died before you did his reading?
Mr. EDWARD: I think he-I think earlier in the-in the day, he had said something.
HOCKENBERRY: It makes me feel like, you know, that that's fairly significant. I mean, you knew that he had a dead relative and you knew it was the dad.
Mr. EDWARD: OK.
HOCKENBERRY: So that's not some energy coming through, that's something you knew going in. You knew his name was Tony and you knew that his dad had died and you knew that he was in the room, right? That gets you . . .
Mr. EDWARD: That's a whole lot of thinking you got me doing, then. Like I said, I react to what's coming through, what I see, hear and feel. I interpret what I'm seeing hearing and feeling, and I define it. He raised his hand, it made sense for him. Great.
HOCKENBERRY: But a cynic would look at that and go, 'Hey,' you know, 'He knows it's the cameraman, he knows it's DATELINE. You know, wouldn't that be impressive if he can get the cameraman to cry?'
Mr. EDWARD: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Not at all.
But try to weasel out of it as he might, Edward had obviously been caught cheating: pretending that information he had gleaned earlier had just been revealed by spirits and feigning surprise that it applied to Tony the cameraman. (And that occurred long before Time had suggested that an Inside Edition program-February 27, 2001-was probably "the first nationally televised show to take a look at the Edward phenomenon." That honor instead goes to Dateline NBC.)
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0im1v/donette...ology/id44.htmlTis a long article with many points.....
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 03:57 PM
It's not much, but it's something.
BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "CROSSING OVER")
EDWARD: Is there anybody in your family that has a nickname "pig"?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pig?
EDWARD: Pig.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pig?
EDWARD: Or someone known as, like, "Aunt Pig" or "Miss Piggy" or...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes.
EDWARD: I said to myself there is no way this woman is going to acknowledge that. I said, there's like no way possible.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's so funny!
EDWARD: Funny that you are acknowledging it, or funny that I actually got that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh my God! My -- I can't even say it...
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My nephew -- he used to call my mom "Miss Piggy."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 03:58 PM
Bogeyman
Feb 10 2005, 04:10 PM
QUOTE(HowdyDoo @ Feb 10 2005, 03:57 PM)
It's not much, but it's something.
BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "CROSSING OVER")
EDWARD: Is there anybody in your family that has a nickname "pig"?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pig?
EDWARD: Pig.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pig?
EDWARD: Or someone known as, like, "Aunt Pig" or "Miss Piggy" or...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes.
EDWARD: I said to myself there is no way this woman is going to acknowledge that. I said, there's like no way possible.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's so funny!
EDWARD: Funny that you are acknowledging it, or funny that I actually got that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh my God! My -- I can't even say it...
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My nephew -- he used to call my mom "Miss Piggy."
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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Everyone in almost every family has someone they call "miss piggy" either to their face or behind their back...this is whats called an educated guess...someone will always bite on ...miss piggy (no pun intended)
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 04:12 PM
QUOTE(Bogeyman @ Feb 10 2005, 04:10 PM)
QUOTE(HowdyDoo @ Feb 10 2005, 03:57 PM)
It's not much, but it's something.
BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, "CROSSING OVER")
EDWARD: Is there anybody in your family that has a nickname "pig"?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pig?
EDWARD: Pig.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pig?
EDWARD: Or someone known as, like, "Aunt Pig" or "Miss Piggy" or...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes.
EDWARD: I said to myself there is no way this woman is going to acknowledge that. I said, there's like no way possible.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's so funny!
EDWARD: Funny that you are acknowledging it, or funny that I actually got that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh my God! My -- I can't even say it...
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My nephew -- he used to call my mom "Miss Piggy."
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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I don't. I just asked all my co-workers. They don't.
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 04:15 PM
Here's and excerpt from the July 29, 2001 issue of the New York Times:
"As Edward sees it, there are three types of people: the 20 percent who believe no matter what, the 20 percent who will never believe and the 60 percent who keep an open mind, and this 60 percent can be won over. This is what happened to Bill Falk in 1997. At the time, Falk, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter who is now editor in chief of The Week, a news commentary magazine, was with Newsday, the Long Island newspaper. After hearing about Edward, Falk spent a month trying to debunk him, but in the process he was forced to reconsider. ''I'd been a reporter for 20 years and dealt with a lot of trained liars: politicians, P.R. people, the like,'' Falk says. ''But it was the specificity of the information that I couldn't refute.'' Falk brought in an unannounced visitor to be read -- a woman Edward had never met or heard of named Joan Cheever, who had spent nine years as the appeals lawyer for Walter Key Williams, who had been executed for murder. During the reading, Falk says that Edward not only channeled Williams but also nailed a number of unusual details, including mentioning a name ''that sounds like Hirsch.'' (Cheever's co-counsel was an attorney named Bob Hirschorn.)"
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 04:17 PM
Hey, I could be at this all day, but I have to work.
You can find more information, so can I. We just have to agree to disagree.
Bogeyman
Feb 10 2005, 04:18 PM
QUOTE(Subtemperate @ Feb 10 2005, 03:12 PM)
Heres a sample transcript from one of his episodes... with comments from someone explaining cold reading....
John Edward: They're either trying to tell me someone has a name like Celine [no immediate bites from the audience] ... or they want me to acknowledge a name like Celina [still no bites] ... but they're telling me to say Celine [as he motions the letter "C" with his index finger].
Female Guest: I have an Aunt Zia Lina.
Finally! Someone bites. An Aunt Zia Lina's name is volunteered by a female guest who appears to be in her 40's, attractive with auburn hair, wide open brown eyes, and dressed conservatively. Well ... Celina and Zia Lina sound close enough don't they? But what about John's rather adamant spelling of the letter "C" with his fingers? Maybe this was an illiterate spirit.
John Edward: Ok. Has she passed?
Female Guest: Yeah.
John Edward: Ok. We're going to start there.
At this point, ask yourself "What does John know so far?" He knows that this particular guest is willing to go that extra mile to help him connect his guesses with her answers. He gathered as much from the stretch from Celina and Zia Lina. John also knows this guest has an aunt who has passed away. Based upon the age of the guest (40'ish) and that the average life span of people in the U.S. is their mid-70's, John can assume that both her parents have also passed. Also, based upon the aunt's name John can determine that the family is of either a Latin or Greek descent.
Time to get the ball rolling. This next part is done at such speed, that the guest doesn't have time to respond, and that's the way it's suppose to be. Who would dare be rude enough to interrupt John while on TV. He knows this, you don't. Now, with lightning fast speed, John delivers the following:
John Edward: They're telling me to acknowledge November or the 11th of the month having some type of meaning because there's some kind of connection. They're making me feel like there's some type of mom vibration that's has passed because there's an older female coming through and I feel like [pause] ... is it your mom that's passed?
Female Guest: Yeah.
Ahhh! As expected, John is dipping into some of that information derived from what he gathered above. Based upon her age, odds are that the guest's mother has also passed but even if this guess is wrong, John can fall back on Aunt Zia Lina as the older female coming through. John continues with the following:
John Edward: Ok. She's making me feel like ...
She, as in the "mother," is making him feel? If John is already in touch with the mother, why did he previously have to ask if she had passed? As you noticed above, John did the same thing with the aunt, asking if she had already passed.
John Edward: She's telling me to say "R" ... there's an "R" connection so I don't know who the "R" is. [The maternal side isn't getting any positive response from the guest, so John switches to the paternal side] I think it's like on dad's side of the family ...
Female Guest: [The female guest is seen thinking hard, then appearing dumbfounded she finally shrugs her shoulders to signal John that she hasn't a clue what he's talking about].
John Edward: ... and I actually think it's a name like Reginald ... Regina ... there's like an "RG" sound or a last name "RG." I don't know what this means but they're telling me "R" and it sounds like with a "G" connected to it.
This is the second time is as many minutes that John has said, "I don't know what this means." John likes to use this statement when the guest isn't reponding well (or is that when his guesses are so far off?). He most often uses it in heated exchanges where the guest isn't given the opportunity to respond. If he's wrong, no one ever says anything. If he's right, when he finishes the exchange, the guest will most often pick out a single statement and comment on it. This gives John the opportunity to spit out dozens of guesses and the guest will only comment on the one which is right, making him look like he's actually communicating with a spirit. John continues guessing names:
John Edward: ... like Reg ... Raj [pause] ... sounds like Reg ...
Female Guest: [The guest just shrugs her shoulders to show a negative response].
John Edward: ... Reggie ... Roger ... there's an "R" sound ... Regina ... but there's something about ... like the name Regina they want me to acknowledge.
Thank the spirits it's only a half-hour show! We'd all hate to see John guess every name beginning with the letter "R" just to finally get it right. Frustrated, the guest herself voluteers a name, any name.
Female Guest: Virginia?
John Edward: Who is this?
Hey John? You're the psychic. You tell us!
Female Guest: My father's aunt who passed on.
In this particular instance, John just decides he's had enough and quickly moves on to another subject with no further explanation for the people behind the "C" and "R" names. Wrong guesses? You bet!
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Great post man...Great post
On this topic ,i too was in the please convince me it's true camp and i was willing to believe ...until i saw a British mind magician called Derren Brown in action.He did cold readings of people mentioning names,places,events,specific illnesses etc etc etc.....he had the people in tears because they were convinced they were in contact with their dead relatives....he converted lifelong aethiests in less than 15 seconds ..they were convinced the spirit or the lord had entered them...much crying of love and joy ensued.......he then told them it was all trickery and mind games....he was basically f***ing with their heads.....it's not magic...remember by being at a "medium" in the first place you are showing a willingness of your mind to accept anything that even nears the truth...have you ever heard him say "this person had back problems" ?....good one John especially when it's a recognised fact that if asked over 90% of people of a certain age will say they have some kind of back pain.
If you want to see these guys blown out of the water try get hold of a programme called"Messiah" with Derren Brown.
Bogeyman
Feb 10 2005, 04:22 PM
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I don't. I just asked all my co-workers. They don't.
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Hey man we've got several in ours......they just dont know it
HowdyDoo
Feb 10 2005, 04:34 PM
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I don't. I just asked all my co-workers. They don't.
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Hey man we've got several in ours......they just dont know it

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Heh. Cute.
Me_Again
Feb 10 2005, 05:09 PM
Where I live we have these 'entertainment' psychic nights. You pay like $40 for 3 nights on different topics, like palm reading, astrology, etc.
Well this night was spend a night with a psychic and have a reading. So when its my turn she says to me "someone from the other side is trying to get a message to you", then she does this white light chant and she says "its Nancy" and she gave me a message from my deceased grandmother, it was weird and cool and the same time. How would she have known my grandmothers name ? She only said one name...chills go down my back when I think about it
Until you experience something, you never truly understand
cyberlord
Feb 10 2005, 08:17 PM
to speake the true i don't believe in connecting with the dead or calling them , i believe the phenomenans called ghost have other explanations...
i'll try to give evidence on why i think john edwarde is a fake ....
these kind of shows depend on the amount of info presented to the people in supervision of the show ....
john uses several methods to have as much informations as he can about who selects him ....
for example one of the terms is to bring a family tree to the show ...
that's how he gather info about them ...
another weird term is that u r not allowed to speake to the media about what u r going to see in the studio ...
i think that's is in case of anything wrong ...
CFI-West has noticed the in these kind of shows ,before shooting the episode they but the people in waiting rooms in a periodover than hour .....
why is that ? it's because the people of same problems talk about them ..
if what the research is true , john has a full team for analyzing these conversations !
ALSO , with the special effects and the psychological factor that could be convenssing ....
other thing is the cold reading ...
other thing is the host say many things and what hits the true they keep it and remove other by editing
et's daddy
Feb 10 2005, 11:01 PM
i saw the show
john asked if they had a Mets pennant in the laundry room
they said yes
what more do you people need ?
no one said john had an open line connection with all the dead of the last century
if he gets 4 or 5 dead on obscure hits in one hour you find flaw with that ?
Subtemperate
Feb 11 2005, 03:28 AM
Ok... Did you see the show live, were you actually there? because they do do something called editing before it reaches TV. Do you know the history of both of them? Who they talked to for the hour or so before the show got going and so on.....
I would like you to give me a direct live transcript of 4 or 5 hits in an hour that are dead on... Because I think you'll find that pretty hard....
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no one said john had an open line connection with all the dead of the last century
So he just happens to have a open line to the dead who have relatives in his audience then?
Tia
Feb 12 2005, 06:27 AM
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It's called Cold Reading, like someone mentioned, and yes there are books on how to do it yourself! They edit the shows to no stop, they would never air one of his misses, which i guarentee there are lots.
Please watch South Park's episode(615), "The Biggest Douche In The Universe" for more info!
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That was such a funny episode, and a great example of cold reading.
Like I said before I saw John Edwards live and the info he gave out, half the audience could have done better.
There are some good psychics out there, I just don't believe John Edwards is one of them.
I had a tarot reading done when I was about 17, the lady did my past, present and future. 17yrs later all but one thing has come true.
She was spot on with my past, present and also now with my future.
rockchickvik
Feb 12 2005, 10:11 AM
well i watch all john edwards shows and i totally believe in him and what he says and does he's fantastic and spot on how can u doubt him???
Subtemperate
Feb 12 2005, 11:26 AM
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John Edward: OK. I'm supposed to tease you about that. I'm also supposed to tease you about -- and I'm so sorry and I'm just very thankful that people can't see you, because I think if you were here, you'd hit me for saying this. I am supposed to tease you about some type of walking outside in a nightie or walking outside in like -- not dressed properly kind of way, whether to get your mail or to get something or -- there's a funny story about this?
Sitter: It's not ringing a bell with me.
This could be a reason....
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