i did a search in the forum and turned up no info

did the ark ever exist ?

could it still exist ?

I heard that both it existed and is in some Etheopian province as we speak, but I will do more research... now! *throws a smokebomb to the floor and dissapears*

ive heard that as well

seen a show where it showed the church or temple it was supposedly in and only one preist is the only person that ever sees it

wonder just what it would take for them to share it if they actually have it

a sign from God ?

I will now quote stuff.



Really too much information from this site to quote:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ark.html

Seems to be the most credible site thus far:
http://tlc.discovery.com/convergence/ark/a...s/artifact.html

From what I've read thus far - it is said to contain numerous things from numerous sources - one says it contains the tablets of moses, another says it might be some sort of weapon (the jews carried it into war), and another suggests it may be some sort of pandora's box.

bebebebebebebebebebebebebeep!!
That's the sound of the link detector. This link should subsistute this post niceley:
http://www.shortcuts.com/arklinks.html

According to the bible, the ark is real and it has a good description of it as well. (Exodus 25: 10 -22 and then it goes on abt other things associated with the ark) As well - what was to be laid in the ark was God's laws, that's it - which is also mentioned in those verses.

Anyhow, that's the original story of the Ark.

Here is a link

http://tlc.discovery.com/convergence/ark/ark.html

I took an electricity class in 1971 and as a joke we used to charge a radio capacitor, then set it on a persons seat. If touched wrong it gave of a 90 volt shock that ,when we got caught, was told would stop a healthy persons heart.
That proved to me that a little knowledge was more dangerous than a lot.
Considering the size of the ark, the voltage would be of Tesla like Power.
Scary to think even today!

Thanks green, but I had posted that site already =)

Well all the ark was originally was the vessel that the ten commandments were carried in. Whether it has any other powers is up to one's faith i guess , or their belief in action movies. lol

Ya I think they carried it into battle to show that God was fighting on their side. Never heard of that weapon idea before.

It is a radio to God...

It is now located in Aksum, Ethiopia, and is guarded by a single monk.

Will you be willing to fetch it for us...?

it's a radio ?

does it pick up the ballgame ?

Angels vs Twins maybe

No, It is directly to God.
And if you are to abuse it or approach it with wrongful intentions, You shall perish.

By whats being posted a lot of people did not read the Whole article in the link.
Well uninformed opinions are important also.

I don't believe in god, but there's something special about it

The preists that went in to the ark wore two chords one was made of gold and one was made of linen.Both were wrapped around each ankle. If the preist was unsuccessful then he would be pulled out by the gold chord. The ark was fashioned in such a way as to mimic an electronic device called a capacitor which stores a charge and releases it all at once which accounts for the strange deaths around it. It is a gold box which stores a chargre. The Egyptians fooled the masses into believing that this embellished Layden Jar was "GOD". The technology was Egyptian. Carried out of Egypt by the Hebrews. If you could go back in time with a lighter maybe they would call you a god too? Anyway...it sounds like the gold chord was some kind of ground used to dissipate the charge. You know they have found battery type devices capable of storing a charge in Egypt. The technology was probably poorly understood or they might have had lightbulbs a lot sooner.

Why do people keep saying the Baghdad Batteries were found in Egypt? They had nothing to do with Egypt. They were in Iraq, there were only twelve of them, there is no sign that they were ever used for anything of a practical or constructive nature (no, no ancient electroplated object has ever been found), and all twelve hooked together would have produced a stunning 8 volt charge.

dmgspycat: Bottom line was that a crude form of electrical gadgetry existed, as in the case of the "batteries." As far as the ark is concerned, gold is highly conductive, so some speculate that the ark , which was wood covered in gold, and had gold plates inside was no more than a description of a capacitor. Look up capacitor and see how easy it is to build a Leyden jar, only the ark carried a bigger charge because this thing supposedly killed people. Unless you think its a telephone to god and god did the killing. I, for my part, think that early civilisations held some knowledge of science.

I am certain they did, however nothing near that level. By all means, look up capacitors, and find out why the arc could not have been one, and also leyden jars, to realize that they only work with static electricity.

Incidentally, according to the Bible, God did indeed do all the killing, not the arc. God was responsible for cursing the people who stole the arc. God was responsible for killing what's-his-name who touched the arc. The arc was never shown to have the properties of a weapon. The arc is unique in that it is the only object in the bible that is considered sacred. Normally, sacred applies to actions or places, but the arc is unique in this respect. Now, I don't believe in God, however, I similarly do not see how the arc could have either produced or stored any significant amount of energy, neither as a capacitor nor as a leyden jar (which should really be removed from this conversation, it is so out of its range of properties).

As far as science goes, don't confuse progress with novelty. The Greeks had the steam engine, the Inca's had the wheel, but it never progressed beyond the point of a child's toy. It was a neat little effect, but no one though any more of it that you think when you see a street performer doing magic tricks. It's fun for a chuckle, then you go on and forget about it.

I'm probably a little grumpier tonight than normal, but I mean no harm. It's just these simple little mistakes are a pet peeve of mine. If people are going to mistake an ancient toy for evidence of advanced knowledge, at least remember the country it came from. That's fair, isn't it?

*Indiana Jones music*

Does it really melt Nazis?

static electricity ?

well maybe while they carried the ark they also carried scraps of carpet

when they wanted to smite someone they held the ark and rubbed their sandals on the carpet

"Uh, Alameck, there's this really nice deep pile Berber on the battlefield..."
"Aah, don't worry about, those guys are always doing screwy things. ATTACK!"

*ZZAAAPPPP!!!*

[quote=aquatus1,Feb 15 2005, 12:23 AM]
Incidentally, according to the Bible, God did indeed do all the killing, not the arc. God was responsible for cursing the people who stole the arc. God was responsible for killing what's-his-name who touched the arc. The arc was never shown to have the properties of a weapon. The arc is unique in that it is the only object in the bible that is considered sacred. Normally, sacred applies to actions or places, but the arc is unique in this respect. Now, I don't believe in God, however, I similarly do not see how the arc could have either produced or stored any significant amount of energy, neither as a capacitor nor as a leyden jar (which should really be removed from this conversation, it is so out of its range of properties).

dmgspycat: Look, I'm trying to see this without the "religious" blinders on. I'm not trying to burst your bubble or nothing but we are grown ups and the world is a lot different than when we were kids. That's like saying ...the dime under my pillow came from the tooth fairy because the story says so so it must be true...do you know how many gods and bibles exist in the world? Everyone is specific and unique to its culture. Anyway, if the ark did exist, the technology inside could tell us of this so called god of yours. Problem is... no one would want it to surface!

So whose got blinders on? I've given you my opinion on the science, that being that it cannot be a capacitor because it does not contain any material inside that would act as a medium to hold a charge. If it did, considering the dimensions, it would take more than four people to carry that puppy. Likewise, I don't follow the leyden jar hypothesis for the simple reason that a leyden jar connot be any bigger than it is or it would lose its static charge to the air. Particularly considering the large conductive surface of the Arc. In as far as the bible is concerned, I would consider the properties that the arc is supposed to possess (and not possess) to be a major factor in determining both what its purpose was and what its construction was meant to do.

Incidentally, I am an atheist.

dmgspycat: If this"gold box" had the power to kill people then there must be some explanation...that's all I was saying. Your post yesterday seemed to suggest that a god was behind the killing...working through a gold box. Well gold is a conductor so what else could this thing be if it had the power to kill? I'm sorry if I seemed to critical ...I appreciate the conversation.

im curious if anyone knows what would happen if lighting were to strike a box built like the ark supposedly has been

i honestly have no idea and id like to seriously know

No sweat . Just wanted to make sure I wasn't being thought of as close-minded. The reason I consider the bible descriptions important is because, from them, we have definitive limits set on the arc, as an object. For instance, it can be safely carried with wooden poles, yet will kill if touched. While we can attribute that quality to God, it can also be attributed to the arc itself. Similarly, when the arc was stolen, the people who stole it received all sorts of bad luck, again from God. This is a bit more difficult to attribute solely to the arc, however, because the properties of all the different cases of bad luck, such as diseases, geologic phenomena, and bad weather, can't really be derived from any given property the arc might possess without having affected the people carrying it as well.

So, a valid explanation will have to account for it having a killing force on contact, no effect while being carried, and massive negative effects ("bad luck") at a distance. Whether scientific or otherwise, these points need to be accounted for.



It would blow up. Literally. The gold would attempt to discharge the electrical energy into the atmosphere, but at the rate it is being fed by the lightning, it would melt within a second. The humidity near the outside wood would evaporate, leaving the outer surface shrunken and non-porous, while the humidity inside would be trapped and expanding, eventually exploding outwards, again, all within a second.

would it definitely blow up like a bomb

or is it possible there would be a way to discharge the energy into a controlled spark ?

hmm...

For starters, there would have to be a point where the energy from the arc would gather and focus for a 'jump', and another point seperate from the arc to jump to, the distance between the two depending on the power available. If we are talking about a bolt of lighting, then let's say a good six feet would be the max that a bolt would jump after striking an object. The wider the gap, the longer it would take the electricity to jump, and the greater the chance that the gold would melt completely. Even if the gap was miniscule, say less than a quarter inch, the energy from the spark would be enough to cause substantial damage to the arc and anyone nearby.

It comes down to how quickly the energy could leave the arc. The faster it can leave, the less damage it is going to do. Let's say the arc was sitting in a lake. It might well only be severely damaged at the point of impact, because the electricity can go through the gold and into the water so quickly. Let's say, though, that the arc was being held by four people. Now the energy has to wrap itself around four wooden poles and proceed down four fleshbags to get to the ground. This is going to take longer, and cause more damage. Now let's say the arc is sitting on the pyramid. No path for the energy to go anywhere. The energy is going to make its own way out; it will explode.

The Ark of the Covenant is in Heaven.... but of course ... I am posting this mearly as MY belief

Well, there is Revelation 11:19: "Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm."

However, this arc is the real thing, while the arc that was carried around was only a relic representing the covenant of God, so perhaps the relic is still around on earth somewhere.

It was a radio taken out of the "pillar of smoke by day, fire by night" spaceship that led the Israelites around for 40 years until all those that worshipped the Egyptian Gods were dead, and their children who knew not the difference between good and evil could then invade Canaan.

The spaceship obviously was leaking radiation since Moses came back from it with his hair turned white and him glowing. Explains why the bush looked like it was burning that was near the spaceship. And explains why contact with the Ark of the Covenant radio would kill people, besides the electrical shock.

The radio was so Moses and God in the wilderness could stay in contact with Ahknaton back in Egypt that was turning the original worship of the Egyptian Gods into the worship of the "one God." Just like what they were training the children of the Israelites in the wilderness to do.

How do you support that?



Radiation doesn't turn hair white. Nor does it make people noticeably glow (that is just a common joke derived from radioactive chemicals that do indeed glow). Also, radiation, by definition, does not require contact; it would have radiated out from the arc, killing the four people holding the poles, not just the person touching the arc.

If lighting struck the arc it would melt and burn. im pritty sure, i dot know what tep gold melts at but lighting is HOT! it struck my flag pole and melted it, rember gold is a soft metal. God not only dwelled in it but
aarons rod is in it, the tablets,and a fue others, it also might have gottn power from these items, becuase god made these things happen.
that is if u look at it that way. The arc is know for unexplainable power, and i think it might befound under the dome of the rock.i mean if the jews wanted that land real bad they would do more to get it, but i think they know the arc is under there and it will be "found".

dmgspycat: I hear that the probability of the resting place of the ark is supposedly at Rosslyn Chapel England...a site that mimics the temple of Soloman. Some kind of Templar connection...ever heard of it?

I've heard the ARk has in it the remnants of the 10 commandments and is now under gaurd in some temple in Ethiopia it's really hard to say weather it exists or not but if it does and someone found it it would be the biggest archeological and religious relic ever!

Maybe the falacy of all those theories can be attributed to the fact that the mysterious phenomena reported are all directly attached to the Arc. Perhaps things like the leprocy and geological instabilities where random events that coinsided with its presence. As for the ability to kill people touching it, I suppose if the capacitor or radiation theories seem to be lacking, we could always leave room for something far more sophistcated and technologically advanced to have been in there. Who is to tell if the arc actually held stone plates or something that may appeared that way.

The Etheopian Arc is probably a false claim, for guarded by one monk, it means that someone would have easily checked if the relic was there or not. There are simply too many religious people who would have teared a whole army apart to get to it, let alone one man.

The only reason much of this remains a mystery is because today most of the proposed sites for excavation happen to be active religious spots. Although I doubt if they would ever want anyone to find it.

well i have seen a show where the arc is guarded by a single monk

but the monk has an armed guard looking out for him

[quote=Athenian,Feb 13 2005, 04:24 AM]
It is a radio to God...

Howdy Athenian, and I thought I was all alone.

The Ark of the Covenant must be a radio or transmitter of sorts because of the following:

Speaking to Moses the Lord said:
Exo 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will COMMUNE with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which [are] UPON THE ARK of the testimony, of all [things] which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

Thats how Moses got his instructions - I wonder if those cherubims were aerials or whatever.

And again:

Num 7:89 And when Moses was gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to SPEAK with him, then he HEARD the voice of one speaking unto him from off the mercy seat that [was] UPON THE ARK of testimony, from between the two cherubims: and he SPAKE unto him...

Jdg 20:27 And the children of Israel ENQUIRED of the LORD, (for the ARK of the covenant of God [was] there in those days,

Jdg 20:28 And Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron, STOOD BEFORE IT in those days,) SAYING, Shall I yet again go out to battle against the children of Benjamin my brother, or shall I cease? And the LORD SAID, Go up; for to morrow I will deliver them into thine hand.

and once more:

Num 7:89 And when Moses was gone into the tabernacle of the congregation to SPEAK with him, then he HEARD THE VOICE of one SPEAKING unto him from off the mercy seat that [was] upon the ark of testimony, from between the two cherubims: and he SPAKE unto him.

No doubt about it Athenian - it was a radio.

DRAT! there goes the unexplained mystery - all we are left with is the truth.

Regards

The bible suggests its a radio(sort of) with God yes. The ludicrous claim it has any thing to do with space ships smacks of the dribble invented by Erik Van Deinaken. Saying it was the Judeo Christian god is no longer politicaly correct so it must have been the most popular supernatural of the moment aliens. Tell me is there any credible evidence aliens exist any more then there is evidence that God does? Nope in fact theres less evidence as aliens are a purely modern phenomenon where encounters with God maintain extreme consistency over thousands of years.

As for the abilities of the ark biblicaly speaking it could be used as a weapon. True the power comes from God but it is channeled through the ark itself(for the record Moses had more then 10 commandments in it btw). It was supposed to level mountains, destroy armies, kill any unworthy person who so much as touched it let alone looked inside(yes what happened to the nazis in INdiana Jones is based on traditional beliefs about the Ark). I've always thought that it would be nice if Hitler had found the religious artefacts he sought. If the stories are true those artefacts would have pretty much obliterated the Nazis.

I wouldnt say so. General rule of thumb is, if it happened here, it can happen again.

Some people actually believe that some of the gods in the past WERE aliens.

Oh and phenomena of god remains extreemly consistent over thousands of years? How so? We've got SOOOOO many conflicting religions...

I know some people hold the theory that god is an alien. I think its a load of pc hogwash that they can't prove.

As to conflicting religions thats just it. Religious people argue, religions agree on a great many points. Some examples: the golden rule is largely universal in different phrasings, most if not all beleive in a divine creation, most believe in an inteligent benevolent deity, almost all of them have a flood story. For that matter the Roman Catholic Church has remained consistent on the vast majority of its doctorine for well over a thousand years. Judaism has existed for thousands of years largely unchanged. The idea of aliens was invented in the west(in Asia they don't see ufos they see flying dragons) and only after the advent of the science fiction genre.

Also ever simply consider the possibility UFO people have the whole thing backwards? That aliens and UFOs are in reality just spirits either being misinterprited by people or altering hte way they manifest to suit a more modern view point. The way supposed aliens and ufos behave is often very inconsistent with the believe they are in any way physical(the extreme speeds, sharp 90 degree turns, passing through solid objects).

The whole ark story could be made up just like the book of Job...who knows? I guess we are speculating that if it did exist and was capable of killing , then what was behind it? What kind of technology? I have heard that the Egyptians had drawings of this thing...meaning that the whole contraption was Egyptian technology. So if the Egyptians could fool the masses with this boom -box then I guess Moses thought so too. He was raised Egyptian Royalty right?

You cant prove god neither so whats the difference? A belief is a belief.



But the thing is... many of those claim that their gods are the only true gods and the rest are false/non existant. While you've got similar rules... many of them are to be expected. The gods themselves, however, are inconsistent. One religion has 110 gods, the other has 50 some, blah blah... and they're really quite different.



People do believe that, yet. But as I stated above, other people dont believe in god and believe that the gods were all aliens. Others dont believe those gods existed at all and that the UFO subject is completely unrelated to that.

It is written:

Jesus said - "Ye are of this world - I am not of this world"
and again - "Ye are from beneath - I am from above."

and again it is written-

"The birds fly in heaven"
"The stars the sun and the moon are in the heavens."

"The Lord knows all the stars by name"

Jesus ascended into heaven inside a cloud while men watched.

Heaven sure sounds like SPACE to me.

And by the way, where is it written that the ARK levelled mountains or destroyed armies - I DONT THINK SO. I know about the chap that fared the worse when he touched it.

Oh and by the way, way:


1Sa 3:1 And the child Samuel ministered unto the LORD before Eli. And the WORD OF THE LORD was precious in those days; [there was] no open vision.
1Sa 3:2 And it came to pass at that time, when Eli [was] laid down in his place, and his eyes began to wax dim, [that] he could not see;
1Sa 3:3 And ere the lamp of God went out in the temple of the LORD, WHERE THE ARK OF GOD [was], and Samuel was laid down [to sleep];
1Sa 3:4 That the LORD called Samuel: and he answered, Here [am] I.
1Sa 3:5 And he ran unto Eli, and said, Here [am] I; for thou calledst me. And he said, I called not; lie down again. And he went and lay down.
1Sa 3:6 And the LORD called yet again, Samuel. And Samuel arose and went to Eli, and said, Here [am] I; for thou didst call me. And he answered, I called not, my son; lie down again.
1Sa 3:7 Now Samuel did not yet know the LORD, neither was the word of the LORD yet revealed unto him.
1Sa 3:8 And the LORD called Samuel again the third time. And he arose and went to Eli, and said, Here [am] I; for thou didst call me. And Eli perceived that the LORD had called the child.
1Sa 3:9 Therefore Eli said unto Samuel, Go, lie down: and it shall be, if he call thee, that thou shalt say, Speak, LORD; for thy servant heareth. So Samuel went and lay down in his place.
1Sa 3:10 And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth.

Theres that RADIO again!



Regards

Or it could be completely real like the Book of Job.

Howdy Kevin, are you still in the land of the living?

Give it to me again - The Book of Job.

I want to hear from you.!! What nonsense is that!

Phineas

Guys, it's definatly not a weapon of the christian faith. I mean if it was, Bush would be using it in his self proclaimed crusade already, right?

Still around just haven't seen this topic in a bit. First I believe Job was real. Why not? ITs not half as crazy as some of the nonsense people post on this board every day.

As for the ark Bush couldn't use it. First because its been lost for thousands of years and second because only a member of the house of levi can even touch the rods that carry the ark. If your not of the right house and extremely pious trying to touch the ark(let alone carry it) is an instant death sentence.