Atheists reject religious concepts based on their mental laziness.
When Atheists reject religious concepts, it is because they have not understood them.
Whenever understanding exists on religious concepts, accepting or rejecting any religious doctrine or concept is unnecessary.
Likewise, religious people reject scientific concepts based on their mental laziness.
When Religious people reject scientific concepts, it is because they have not understood them.
Whenever understanding exists on religious or scientific concepts, accepting or rejecting any religious or scientific doctrine or concept is unnecessary
The mind that believes, the mind that does not believe and the mind that doubts is an ignorant mind.
The path of intelligence does not lie in believing, not believing or doubting science or symbolic religious archetypes.
The path of intelligence consists in inquiring, analyzing, meditating, experimenting with all the capabilities of the consciousness and not only with the intellect which lies on its surface.
For the intellect nature phenomena is, was and will be always the unknown from moment to moment. Cosmic and nature phenomena has nothing to do with what one believes or stops believing; neither does it have anything to do with any theory of belief.
Truth is not a matter of accepting or rejecting any atheistic or religious belief; it is something to experience, live and understand with all the cognizant human capabilities.
Experience in this forum taught us that all the efforts on the part of the intellect of the members of this forum leave in the ultimate synthesis, into confusion of the mind of all its members. They never resolve anything and continue bottled up in beliefs and theories.
It is urgent that all the members of this forum to abandon their old-fashioned and damaging arrogant tendencies which are always directed at shaping the pliable and ductile minds of other members.
It is absurd for atheists and religious members, filled with prejudices, passions, old-fashioned Darwinists or religious preconceptions, etc., to attack the minds of new members of this forum in trying to shape their mind according to their rotten, dumb and old-fashioned Darwinists or religious ideas.
It is better to respect the intellectual Freedom of all the members of this forum, respect their mental quickness, their creative spontaneity.
Old atheists and religious members do not have the right to confine the minds of new members of this forum to a cage.
What is essential is not to dictate to the minds of new members of this forum what to think but rather, to respect fully how they think.
The mind is the instrument of knowledge and it is necessary for all the members of this forum to respect other members and to use that instrument wisely.
Full Version: How to use our Mind!
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wrong place to post this.
I think knowlegde is experience and understanding.
And your view how to use the mind is good but that's only an opinion.
have you heard of philosophy, it ask questions that could never be answered, it can only give opinions this is a great philosophical question how to use your mind.
And my answer is use it to live a better life, that's the meaning of philosophy how to live a better life.
Whenever understanding exists on religious or scientific concepts, accepting or rejecting any religious or scientific doctrine or concept is unnecessary
well if you understand something you have the right to agree or disagree.
I do agree with the issue of respect, but my view is you have the right to judge others beliefs or facts but as long you understand the opposition and refute it as long you can explain your view concisely, and politely if you can. Often that will not happen arrogance is a b****
I think knowlegde is experience and understanding.
And your view how to use the mind is good but that's only an opinion.
have you heard of philosophy, it ask questions that could never be answered, it can only give opinions this is a great philosophical question how to use your mind.
And my answer is use it to live a better life, that's the meaning of philosophy how to live a better life.
Whenever understanding exists on religious or scientific concepts, accepting or rejecting any religious or scientific doctrine or concept is unnecessary
well if you understand something you have the right to agree or disagree.I do agree with the issue of respect, but my view is you have the right to judge others beliefs or facts but as long you understand the opposition and refute it as long you can explain your view concisely, and politely if you can. Often that will not happen arrogance is a b****
very interesting subject 
and I have to agree that knowledge is not the key, Understanding is
In my opinion, it is perfectly okay to have an opinion, but we have to keep in mind that this opinion is based upon our level of understanding. I have seen throught the years that my level of understanding has grown both from inquisition and experience. Since I understand that, I know that my opinion may have flaws, may still be work on, may still not be the truth.
Why is it that a child does unthinkable things even if its parents told him about the consequences. He has the knowledge, but still disreguard it and do it. Why, because we have to experience to understand. Once we understand, we know and we act acording to it.
Same things with science, it is only an hypothesis until it can be experience and experience by any one. Then it becomes a theory. And even then, they know it it not the ultimate truth. They know they might be wrong and it might change when they understand more.
Reading and listening to others will make you learn a lot of things, but nobody can make you understand except yourself. And even then we have to keep an open mind that is is almost impossible to know and understand everything. Thus the ''I know'' ''it is the truth'' comment is arrogant if not ignorant of what learning really is.
Knowing that we might be wrong can be hard to take. No one really likes to make mistakes. We all wish to be all knowing and right all the time. But deep insisde we know we still have a long way to go. Some will blindly believe in concept to fill that gap, thus closing them to continue their learning path. Other will look for proof, find some and when faced with an enigma, they will deem it crazy, weak. The unknown will make their insecurity resurface. And not to loose face, they will trown it back into the barrel.
Both these attitude stop learning at some point. Either by letting someone else thinking for themself or by ignoring some mysteries.
They do not wish to be wrong and take a stance where if they are wrong the blow will not be too hard to take. They walk with a cane, wear thick eyeglasses. And walk fast so that they dont have to see what they do not wish to see.
As I heard somewhere, I prefer to go into all these things head long. Be beaten up, scared to death, humiliated, trown around. And come out in the end and say...Wow what a ride
( it was not excatly like that, it was said better..but the idea is still there)
p.s. sry if I insulted anyone. It was not my intentions. It was only to make people think.
and I have to agree that knowledge is not the key, Understanding is
In my opinion, it is perfectly okay to have an opinion, but we have to keep in mind that this opinion is based upon our level of understanding. I have seen throught the years that my level of understanding has grown both from inquisition and experience. Since I understand that, I know that my opinion may have flaws, may still be work on, may still not be the truth.
Why is it that a child does unthinkable things even if its parents told him about the consequences. He has the knowledge, but still disreguard it and do it. Why, because we have to experience to understand. Once we understand, we know and we act acording to it.
Same things with science, it is only an hypothesis until it can be experience and experience by any one. Then it becomes a theory. And even then, they know it it not the ultimate truth. They know they might be wrong and it might change when they understand more.
Reading and listening to others will make you learn a lot of things, but nobody can make you understand except yourself. And even then we have to keep an open mind that is is almost impossible to know and understand everything. Thus the ''I know'' ''it is the truth'' comment is arrogant if not ignorant of what learning really is.
Knowing that we might be wrong can be hard to take. No one really likes to make mistakes. We all wish to be all knowing and right all the time. But deep insisde we know we still have a long way to go. Some will blindly believe in concept to fill that gap, thus closing them to continue their learning path. Other will look for proof, find some and when faced with an enigma, they will deem it crazy, weak. The unknown will make their insecurity resurface. And not to loose face, they will trown it back into the barrel.
Both these attitude stop learning at some point. Either by letting someone else thinking for themself or by ignoring some mysteries.
They do not wish to be wrong and take a stance where if they are wrong the blow will not be too hard to take. They walk with a cane, wear thick eyeglasses. And walk fast so that they dont have to see what they do not wish to see.
As I heard somewhere, I prefer to go into all these things head long. Be beaten up, scared to death, humiliated, trown around. And come out in the end and say...Wow what a ride
( it was not excatly like that, it was said better..but the idea is still there)p.s. sry if I insulted anyone. It was not my intentions. It was only to make people think.
I voted that knowledge can be acquired without the intellect. You can obtain tons of knowledge, even if your handicapped (there are examples of those who can not obtain knowledge), but I once heard a radio program and these blind, autistic children were playing Mozart and Beethoven. Some would say these children don't have an intellect or do they ? In my opinion they must certainly do. People who obtain knowledge everyday without the intellect, are the ones who need understanding 
First the seed knows and then it becomes
P.S. This is my humble opinion
First the seed knows and then it becomes
P.S. This is my humble opinion
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" And those who have eyes, have eyes that teach" Rod Sterling- 1963
Alright Loge... You've got to be trying to act stupid. 
I stopped reading your initial post 3 lines down because I realized it was completely wrong.
Athiests believe in no being/diety higher than themselves. They believe in no God. It has nothing to do with their intellect or lack of grasping religious dogma.
One can be Athiest and still be spiritual - because the spirit exists in oneself, therefore they are not contradicting their belief that there is no being/diety higher than themselves. So athiests are not always spiritually deprived either.
Break the word down.
A - prefix: not, lacking
.....example: amoral, asexual
thiest - belief in God
.....example: polytheist, thiest, theistic
Polytheistic religions are those involving many gods, such as the Greeks and Romans did.
Man, at least know what youre talking about if you decide to make statements, and not questions.
And yes, this is the wrong place for this thread.
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Alright, I finally decided, after I vented that I would finish reading what you have written, and it suprised me in some respects.
I completely agree that it is not right for thiests or athiests to try to sew their sewage into our minds. As long as we are spiritual in some way. We need spirit - it is what drives us when we feel that we can no longer go on, and it is what gives us musical and other types of creativity. It's bottomside is our more complex emotions such as love, and goes only upward from there. If you have not read any Yogi Philosophy, I suggest you do, Loge - and well, anyone. Take it, though, with a grain of salt, and believe only what your spirit or heart tells you to. I am against orgainized religions because they force beliefs on one. If one is told what to believe it is not their belief.
Meditation is definatly a key - a useful key to discovering oneself, their spirit, and keeping oneself in check. It promotes creativity, restores energy, creates more mental clarity, and generates a better sence of well being.
Remember: The body is merely a vessel for the mind.
I believe that the mind is a vessel for the spirit.
So: The body is merely a vessel for the mind, which, among other things, is a vessel the spirit.
You cannot leave out the center part - the mind - because the mind supplies other things besides contact with the spirit, such as intellect, knowledge, and instinct. Wisdom, I believe, is the begining of the meshing of the coldness of intellect with the warmpth of the spirit.
As you see, I say "I believe," before my believes as to not force them upon anyone as fact - this is where organized religion fails.
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I stopped reading your initial post 3 lines down because I realized it was completely wrong.
Athiests believe in no being/diety higher than themselves. They believe in no God. It has nothing to do with their intellect or lack of grasping religious dogma.
One can be Athiest and still be spiritual - because the spirit exists in oneself, therefore they are not contradicting their belief that there is no being/diety higher than themselves. So athiests are not always spiritually deprived either.
Break the word down.
A - prefix: not, lacking
.....example: amoral, asexual
thiest - belief in God
.....example: polytheist, thiest, theistic
Polytheistic religions are those involving many gods, such as the Greeks and Romans did.
Man, at least know what youre talking about if you decide to make statements, and not questions.
And yes, this is the wrong place for this thread.
-edit here-
Alright, I finally decided, after I vented that I would finish reading what you have written, and it suprised me in some respects.
I completely agree that it is not right for thiests or athiests to try to sew their sewage into our minds. As long as we are spiritual in some way. We need spirit - it is what drives us when we feel that we can no longer go on, and it is what gives us musical and other types of creativity. It's bottomside is our more complex emotions such as love, and goes only upward from there. If you have not read any Yogi Philosophy, I suggest you do, Loge - and well, anyone. Take it, though, with a grain of salt, and believe only what your spirit or heart tells you to. I am against orgainized religions because they force beliefs on one. If one is told what to believe it is not their belief.
Meditation is definatly a key - a useful key to discovering oneself, their spirit, and keeping oneself in check. It promotes creativity, restores energy, creates more mental clarity, and generates a better sence of well being.
Remember: The body is merely a vessel for the mind.
I believe that the mind is a vessel for the spirit.
So: The body is merely a vessel for the mind, which, among other things, is a vessel the spirit.
You cannot leave out the center part - the mind - because the mind supplies other things besides contact with the spirit, such as intellect, knowledge, and instinct. Wisdom, I believe, is the begining of the meshing of the coldness of intellect with the warmpth of the spirit.
As you see, I say "I believe," before my believes as to not force them upon anyone as fact - this is where organized religion fails.
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Your post was so inspiring, Adramaleck 
QUOTE(pisces1963 @ Feb 12 2005, 04:11 PM)
Your post was so inspiring, Adramaleck
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My sarcasm detector is out for repairs, so I'll just assume you weren't using sarcasm.
Thanks, pices.
Adramaleck wrote:
The mind is divided into the concrete mind and the abstract mind.
The brain is merely a vessel for the sensual mind, which, among other things, is a vessel or den of our animal desires, defects and errors. To prove this, just sit-down, close your eyes and observe your thoughts!
One thing is the critic of practical reasoning and another is the critic of pure reasoning.
The contextual concepts which belong to the critic of practical reasoning are based upon experiences of external sensorial perceptions (five senses). Yet, the contextual concepts which belong to the critic of pure reasoning are nourished with prompt ideas and intuition (12 senses).
Wisdom is rooted in ‘Wis’ which means ‘VIS’ = to see or to penetrate. And ‘DOM’ = Judgment.
Wisdom is: a judgment with insight comprehension of the truth. To have the insight comprehension of the truth, one needs to open the inner sight (other senses).
The spirit knows and his wisdom is Yes, Yes, Yes!
The Intellect does not know and its knowledge is: Let us discuss about this, because I do not know if what I know is right or wrong.
The Mind is just an instrument for storing a knowledge that such mind never understands!
The concrete mind’s philosophy is as follows: I like what you like, thus because you like what I like, both of us like what I like, oh, how deeply I like that you like what I like. And I do not care if it is good or bad, what matters is that I like it!
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The body is merely a vessel for the mind.
I believe that the mind is a vessel for the spirit.
So: The body is merely a vessel for the mind, which, among other things, is a vessel the spirit.
You cannot leave out the center part - the mind - because the mind supplies other things besides contact with the spirit, such as intellect, knowledge, and instinct. Wisdom, I believe, is the begining of the meshing of the coldness of intellect with the warmpth of the spirit.
As you see, I say "I believe," before my believes as to not force them upon anyone as fact - this is where organized religion fails.
I believe that the mind is a vessel for the spirit.
So: The body is merely a vessel for the mind, which, among other things, is a vessel the spirit.
You cannot leave out the center part - the mind - because the mind supplies other things besides contact with the spirit, such as intellect, knowledge, and instinct. Wisdom, I believe, is the begining of the meshing of the coldness of intellect with the warmpth of the spirit.
As you see, I say "I believe," before my believes as to not force them upon anyone as fact - this is where organized religion fails.
The mind is divided into the concrete mind and the abstract mind.
The brain is merely a vessel for the sensual mind, which, among other things, is a vessel or den of our animal desires, defects and errors. To prove this, just sit-down, close your eyes and observe your thoughts!
One thing is the critic of practical reasoning and another is the critic of pure reasoning.
The contextual concepts which belong to the critic of practical reasoning are based upon experiences of external sensorial perceptions (five senses). Yet, the contextual concepts which belong to the critic of pure reasoning are nourished with prompt ideas and intuition (12 senses).
Wisdom is rooted in ‘Wis’ which means ‘VIS’ = to see or to penetrate. And ‘DOM’ = Judgment.
Wisdom is: a judgment with insight comprehension of the truth. To have the insight comprehension of the truth, one needs to open the inner sight (other senses).
The spirit knows and his wisdom is Yes, Yes, Yes!
The Intellect does not know and its knowledge is: Let us discuss about this, because I do not know if what I know is right or wrong.
The Mind is just an instrument for storing a knowledge that such mind never understands!
The concrete mind’s philosophy is as follows: I like what you like, thus because you like what I like, both of us like what I like, oh, how deeply I like that you like what I like. And I do not care if it is good or bad, what matters is that I like it!
Knowledge is the exploration of curiosity, which explains religion.
QUOTE(Me_Again @ Feb 11 2005, 04:43 PM)
I voted that knowledge can be acquired without the intellect. You can obtain tons of knowledge, even if your handicapped (there are examples of those who can not obtain knowledge), but I once heard a radio program and these blind, autistic children were playing Mozart and Beethoven. Some would say these children don't have an intellect or do they ? In my opinion they must certainly do. People who obtain knowledge everyday without the intellect, are the ones who need understanding
First the seed knows and then it becomes
P.S. This is my humble opinion
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First the seed knows and then it becomes
P.S. This is my humble opinion
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the examples you refer to as unable to obtain knowledge
i can only assume you refer to those we call "vegatables" ?
and as they are trapped in their own little world i dont agree with that assumption
as many seem to have no way to communicate it seems we would have no way to know if they gain knowledge or not
i voted that you dont need books to gain knowledge as hands on experience is a great way to learn
QUOTE(Frosty @ Feb 15 2005, 11:03 AM)
Knowledge is the exploration of curiosity, which explains religion.
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Knowledge is the psychological apprehension of the truth perceived in its entirety by the superlative consciousness of the being without the annoying activity of reasoning!
QUOTE(Loge @ Feb 11 2005, 12:29 PM)
Atheists reject religious concepts based on their mental laziness.
When Atheists reject religious concepts, it is because they have not understood them.
Whenever understanding exists on religious concepts, accepting or rejecting any religious doctrine or concept is unnecessary.
Likewise, religious people reject scientific concepts based on their mental laziness.
When Religious people reject scientific concepts, it is because they have not understood them.
Whenever understanding exists on religious or scientific concepts, accepting or rejecting any religious or scientific doctrine or concept is unnecessary
The mind that believes, the mind that does not believe and the mind that doubts is an ignorant mind.
The path of intelligence does not lie in believing, not believing or doubting science or symbolic religious archetypes.
The path of intelligence consists in inquiring, analyzing, meditating, experimenting with all the capabilities of the consciousness and not only with the intellect which lies on its surface.
For the intellect nature phenomena is, was and will be always the unknown from moment to moment. Cosmic and nature phenomena has nothing to do with what one believes or stops believing; neither does it have anything to do with any theory of belief.
Truth is not a matter of accepting or rejecting any atheistic or religious belief; it is something to experience, live and understand with all the cognizant human capabilities.
Experience in this forum taught us that all the efforts on the part of the intellect of the members of this forum leave in the ultimate synthesis, into confusion of the mind of all its members. They never resolve anything and continue bottled up in beliefs and theories.
It is urgent that all the members of this forum to abandon their old-fashioned and damaging arrogant tendencies which are always directed at shaping the pliable and ductile minds of other members.
It is absurd for atheists and religious members, filled with prejudices, passions, old-fashioned Darwinists or religious preconceptions, etc., to attack the minds of new members of this forum in trying to shape their mind according to their rotten, dumb and old-fashioned Darwinists or religious ideas.
It is better to respect the intellectual Freedom of all the members of this forum, respect their mental quickness, their creative spontaneity.
Old atheists and religious members do not have the right to confine the minds of new members of this forum to a cage.
What is essential is not to dictate to the minds of new members of this forum what to think but rather, to respect fully how they think.
The mind is the instrument of knowledge and it is necessary for all the members of this forum to respect other members and to use that instrument wisely.
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When Atheists reject religious concepts, it is because they have not understood them.
Whenever understanding exists on religious concepts, accepting or rejecting any religious doctrine or concept is unnecessary.
Likewise, religious people reject scientific concepts based on their mental laziness.
When Religious people reject scientific concepts, it is because they have not understood them.
Whenever understanding exists on religious or scientific concepts, accepting or rejecting any religious or scientific doctrine or concept is unnecessary
The mind that believes, the mind that does not believe and the mind that doubts is an ignorant mind.
The path of intelligence does not lie in believing, not believing or doubting science or symbolic religious archetypes.
The path of intelligence consists in inquiring, analyzing, meditating, experimenting with all the capabilities of the consciousness and not only with the intellect which lies on its surface.
For the intellect nature phenomena is, was and will be always the unknown from moment to moment. Cosmic and nature phenomena has nothing to do with what one believes or stops believing; neither does it have anything to do with any theory of belief.
Truth is not a matter of accepting or rejecting any atheistic or religious belief; it is something to experience, live and understand with all the cognizant human capabilities.
Experience in this forum taught us that all the efforts on the part of the intellect of the members of this forum leave in the ultimate synthesis, into confusion of the mind of all its members. They never resolve anything and continue bottled up in beliefs and theories.
It is urgent that all the members of this forum to abandon their old-fashioned and damaging arrogant tendencies which are always directed at shaping the pliable and ductile minds of other members.
It is absurd for atheists and religious members, filled with prejudices, passions, old-fashioned Darwinists or religious preconceptions, etc., to attack the minds of new members of this forum in trying to shape their mind according to their rotten, dumb and old-fashioned Darwinists or religious ideas.
It is better to respect the intellectual Freedom of all the members of this forum, respect their mental quickness, their creative spontaneity.
Old atheists and religious members do not have the right to confine the minds of new members of this forum to a cage.
What is essential is not to dictate to the minds of new members of this forum what to think but rather, to respect fully how they think.
The mind is the instrument of knowledge and it is necessary for all the members of this forum to respect other members and to use that instrument wisely.
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Here Here!!! Well said!!! You have said what I could not put into words my friend. Thank you for finally posting this in a form that makes sense.
[/QUOTE]the examples you refer to as unable to obtain knowledge
i can only assume you refer to those we call "vegatables" ?[QUOTE]
Your correct, we ALL obtain knowledge Can I change my vote ? 
i can only assume you refer to those we call "vegatables" ?[QUOTE]
Your correct, we ALL obtain knowledge
Can I change my vote ?
Human ignorance has always invented theories to explain the unknown. Subjective science has always been driven by skepticism into innumerable intellectual labyrinths where it hides in order to escape the impassioned assaults of Pharisee’s fanatic religious minds: it always clothed itself with new hypotheses and this is how it has been falsifying the truth in the name of science. By creating a subjective scientific jargon that all minds are force to study in order to penetrate in this modern society it has covered its true intention, which is to deny hope to true human intelligence.
Intelligence is impenetrable by these illusions, for the vulgar in their greed of knowledge creates a vulgar language only for the sake of learned ignoramuses.
The original alliance between true Religion and true Science is only possible when the consciousness is fully awakened, we do not doubt that there are people who study science and religion with earnest minds in order to achieve the reconciliation between science and religion, between reason and faith, which for skeptics it will be always impossible.
Skeptics' head always swims in an ocean of doubts, does it not, and their knowledge seems to fly always beneath their feet! They cannot go beyond Euclid’s geometry, they always hold tightly at it, and cannot look right or left, and if they do it, they experience the vertigo of knowledge.
Awake your inner senses, stand up and open your eyes, thus you will experience the truth; but be careful before any thing make no Pharisee advice you and oblige you to pronounce stupid words.
Intelligence is impenetrable by these illusions, for the vulgar in their greed of knowledge creates a vulgar language only for the sake of learned ignoramuses.
The original alliance between true Religion and true Science is only possible when the consciousness is fully awakened, we do not doubt that there are people who study science and religion with earnest minds in order to achieve the reconciliation between science and religion, between reason and faith, which for skeptics it will be always impossible.
Skeptics' head always swims in an ocean of doubts, does it not, and their knowledge seems to fly always beneath their feet! They cannot go beyond Euclid’s geometry, they always hold tightly at it, and cannot look right or left, and if they do it, they experience the vertigo of knowledge.
Awake your inner senses, stand up and open your eyes, thus you will experience the truth; but be careful before any thing make no Pharisee advice you and oblige you to pronounce stupid words.
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