for all those christians who believe in the god of the bible i just want to know if u think adam and even were the first people on the earth. i just want to know before i provide the fact i found in your bible

yeah... I believe in Adam and Eve..... sooo whatchya find?

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Genesis 1:27).

"Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created" (Genesis 5:2).

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" (Genesis 1:28).
see where it says replenish. to replenish something life had to be alreadyhere and the destroyed or something like that. Replenish:To fill or make complete again; add a new stock or supply to: replenish the larder.

re means to do agin

so what's your point? that Adam and Eve weren't the first humans? well, there were animals... animals were alive before Adam and Eve.

yea thats my point. for something to be replenished it has to be gone. or have to start over to re do. i provided the facts its in the bible and im not talking bout no animals man human beings. adam andeve werent the first people on earth. there no way.

If you check out the Aztec calendar stone and the myths that surrounded it. There are 5 suns, and we are currently in the 5th sun. The 4th sun was destroyed by a great flood. From various sources including the Bible, there was a Great Flood that clensed the Earth. There were three suns before that and hence 3 times humanity was almost wiped out.

Who is to say that Adam and Eve were the survivors of the 2nd mass destruction? Perhaps that is how far back the memory of those who wrote the old testiment went. It is a possibility, one that I am willing to entertain.

So, what about the different translations of the bible that don't use the word "replenish" and instead say "increase in number"?

I know where you're going to.
Adam and Eve got kids name Abel and Cain and one slay the other and the other one went to other place and got married.

he..he.. he...

well i belive in god and in the begin(whatever) it clearly states he/it(god) was hovering over something not nothing. so its intirely possible that before this world as we new there was another world with life.
thats the thing, even though im a beliver i dont think the bible sould be taken as a literal translation(insome aspects), even thought it can teach some the value of morals, give some gidance,and other hope.

theres many diffrent translations an in all those translation do we truly understand what they mean? sure the words we understand but is that what the earliest of men ment when they spoke those words.
what if they ment somthing diffrent then what we interprit it? most of there words held meanins for multiple things.

like lets say god created light and said it was"BAD" i know he didnt but in the early 90's late 80's "bad" ment good. how about god said sacrifice this goat and give to me the p.h.a.t. and the rest to preachers, see where im going with this, see the preacer would get all the nasties where god got all the good crap.

im not arguing that the bible is wrong in no way but maybe it should not be taken as a liven document(this is what it say's these are what the words mean now, hell yah im allowed to murder rape and pillage).

ive read alot of diffrent stuff in the bible that when look at in the way a person with lesser amonts of words to explain what their seeing,an come up with diffrent point of view which is not too entirely differnt from the bibles but lot eiasier to explain.

the whole creating man in my image thing. schollores belive is to mean with soul or likeness and so forth and so on, but if i stand in front of a light source my own shadow is created in my image i know this and you know this, but typicaly none of are shadows really look like us, i can see my shadow is diffrent from my neihbors but my shadow more resembels my neihbors shadow then it dose me in likeness.

every one thinks they look something simular to god but if yah get to heven i bet he/she/it looks nuthen like you an me. the bible its self isnt the prob, its treying to understand the bible i in no claim that this is how it is, but im willing to bet that those who belive that you know it and interprit the way every ones ancesters did way back when, your mostly wrong.

So, hypothetically speaking, lets say Adam and Eve or that god of yours actually existed.

Adam and Eve were the only two people on the planet, correct? Please don't give me that "read between the lines" crap. Doesn't your bible state that they are 1 man and 1 woman, not "towns" or "families"?

Then that would mean that their sons would have had to have boinked their own mother. Then their sisters/daughters. I doubt Adam wouldn't have boinked a few of his grand-daughters either. Not to mention all the fun they would have had with THEIR kids.

Scientific fact states that when continuous inbreeding occurs in humans they become deformed and most of the time end up mildly retarded.

So, if your bible is correct...then we're not only an entire race of mentally retarded misfits...we're also living in "sin". Incest is a "sin", no? I also heard that the children born of incest aren't accepted by your god...which means that the entire human race will be going to your hell, no?

Correct any inconsistancies with actual quotes from your bible please and not with a "let me explain what it really meant...", okay?

Ta!

yah see, its gods and his creations, not a he slept with her or vise versa topic.
its easy to pick out the contradiction between books of the bible thats including the new and old testaments. much harder for a someone who belives to find something wrong cause for the most part these type indaviduals are only will to accept it on faith alone say that not matter the proof against ill
belive.

you cant turn em i cnat turn em, but being a beliver i on the other am intirly looking for these reason why how what types cenarios. im not claiming to be an expert but if ya look at it with no bias points of refrense as i do i can cleary see how parts of the good book come together to make a clearer pictiur.
offten times i make those belivers who take the bible word for word very upset at me cause im not the conventional bible thumper ill look for what some one from their time could describe what they are saying or seeing experianceing ect. but place it in refreance of our time, using more then one bible edtion cause thier are all sorts.

and i wont argue your point cause you said you dont want to hear" what so and so ment" so's i wont go there.

now however as far as that bit bout everyone going to hell, that and what you mentioned concerend the old testament(mankinds punishment) we needed not to breed adam had eve live in paradise no suffering of any kind mean none nada not even death. then came mankinds sin the first which we were through out of paradice for, then came death, we had too servive.
and i bet if you and one of your oppset sex(male or female) where in the same situation youd do the same for servival( or fun if your cruel and twisted) its kinda in our genes.
then latter on in the new testament where god decides he punished mankind enough (x)amount of years come this dude who dies on the cross according to the bible(you wanted accuall quotes look it up mad manfred, its in there or it was the last time i read it). which paved the way for all those who had sinned to be allowed into heven as if they havent sinned at all so long as they

1. belive in jesus christ is there savor.
2. follow the comandments and NEW LAWS that jesus christ son of god(god him/her/itself) had set in place.

so for acctuall quotes just read the bible or book the word means the same take it as you want to.

oh yeah mad manfred you have nuthin to worry bout less your sinning, or a non beliver( you can become a beliver any time so long as truly mean it and accept jesus), or your taken part in that whole inbreeding thing your so facinated with, which yes infact is a sin and means your prolly gonna go to hell if that swhat your doing. and really im not trying to be harsh youd might truly be some one i could consider a friend, id share such things with, but the bible is not (if you belive, and you dont have too its a choise) something to take lightly. terrible things have happend to people in that book, what we now consider regular normal good (in instances) people today would get stoned or tortured for back then.
i dont read the bible with a closed mind thinking that what i was taught is how it is,and what the bible says is what it was intended to mean for all times. 2000 years from now if we (humanity) still exist and we still have some form of political bias.
i garentee that my constatution that help to create the great foundation of my country u.s.a.(yes im proud of it all the time, not so prod of some of its people though)will have changed the meanings of certain words greatly. just the the same way i belive the bible has. thus changing the interpritaton.
other then that yes adam and eve prolly inbreed and yes all of us may be a bit affected by that, yes its a sin if you partacy in that kinda thing your gonna go to hell with others who may or may beinto that thing, but the death christ made it possible that people who truly belived in god and lived pretty decint lives, dont share eturnity with enbreeders murders sinners in general ect, and can spend it in a otherwise less crowded place.........
sorry ment no bashing or to be harsh but the bible is really trully harsh if you choise not to belive in the(perhapes cahnged meanings) words written

ohh yeah and that whole mutaion thing can in fact be choped up to evalution,
where as we dont have such deformities now cause those born with the general traits that would cause them to be less effective and effincent would also cause them to be less likly to servive. or lol i wouldent mined haven eyes in the back of my head or knees that bent back wards but perhapes the offspring of adam and eve decide that such trats where not of the norm compared to adam and eve an thus decided " WELL THATS KINDA FREAKY" so now we are as we are or perhapes its the other way around?
who nows but some where dont the line im your great aunts grat uncles great fathers great mothers geate cousins great newphews great neices great ( ahhh im tired )ect. im related to yah

lets keep this discion going im liken it gret topic man.

Just a quick remark.

In biology no species can begin from a single or even a couple of individuals. If there was some intervention (or creation) that by all means would be creating a prototype that would be more or less genetically flawless. That could explain why inbreeding would be possible. It still does not explain how they could create a whole race though.

So I have to side with Manfred on the Adam theory purely because I think the Bible had a lot of "additions" over the years and unlike what most people like to think its not a "single" item. I do though suspect that some parts do contain actual historic clues and perhaps predictions (based on someone who has a good insight as to how humanity would progress).

i wasnt gona go in to the cain in able stuff but some people made intresting points. and the person that was talking about suns and we being the 5th sun. still if that was the case then still adam and eve wernt the first people on the earth if they survived. there would of been peopke before them. but any ways thats all i wanted to say but one more thing the has been translated so many times so whos to say whats in the bible actualy happen the way it said it happened. whosto say that the person or persons that started this religion didnt just make up stuff in the begining.

It's scary. You are starting to sound like me!
I know of at least 3 Bible verses that talk of "books and acts" as being in the Bible but when you look for them you can't find them.

lol is that a good or bad thing

Why is it that so many feel compelled to tell others that they are fools about things of which they have no understanding. You suddenly pick up the Bible and 5 minutes later you feel that you have found evidence to prove all of the theologians wrong. Amazing.
I don't know what is more laughable...your ignorance...or your arrogance.

Good I hope.
Before you even know what his evidence is?

Why is it that so many feel compelled to tell others that they are fools about things of which they have no understanding. You suddenly pick up the Bible and 5 minutes later you feel that you have found evidence to prove all of the theologians wrong. Amazing.
I don't know what is more laughable...your ignorance...or your arrogance. lol ignorance is bliss but any ways what makes u think im arrogant. but any ways i didnt tell any one they r a fool . and i didnt suddenly pick up the bible i found that on a bible web site cause i was looken for stuff in the bible that proves what i was saying. but me i dont know what more laughable you assuming stuff or just your arrogance.

which is it?



If you find something on a web site, the prudent thing to do is provide a link.

lol its a bible web site they got the verse out of the bible

No offence Joc, but you seem to think everyone is ignorance that has different opinions than your own, you said he was ignorant even though you had not seen his findings, how can you condemn someone before they have commented on something ? People have difference of opinion, just because they differ from your own doesn’t mean they are ignorant.

Many people that question the bible are not ignorant on it, many are experts on the bible because have studied it intensely. Does being an expert on it mean they have to believe what you do ?

All the best
Faeden

In my opinion that can provably be supported by factual historical evidence, The Orthodox religion was founded on the murder and persecution of others. I was raised a Catholic and quickly realized as I got older that I NOT wanted to belong to an organization that withstood the test of times simply by eliminating the "opposition" and blending itself with mainstream politics , wich are never a good thing.

Im a man that loves and admires Jesus dearly, but what you see now is not what Jesus intended. The Christ/messiah concept has been echoed in many epochs and labeled by many names in many toungues.

Hey, on the God channel did you catch the infomercial of the "Subject Bible". Only $150.00 bucks. without shipping and handling though. The author cleverly choses a topic and put the verses that supposally go with it, so that YOU don't have to look them up. It truly is Subjective! lol.

You could have been talking about me here instead of yourself. Why did they feel the need to get rid of all opposition of it's beliefs?

The birth of the man of the twenty-first century

And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repented me that I have made them.

But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

here is my shpiel on religion, I'm a 17 year old liberal, and i like to argue with facts, concrete facts, ones you can prove.

the idea of religion (to me, and hopefully to others) is a few morals and laws set for you to live your life by. the stories in religion are completly fictional, not counting historical events such as moses freeing the jewish slaves, stories like david and goliath are meant to teach morals that will uplift and help people and are like childrens tales. this story's moral is if you try your hardest you can overcome even the biggest obstacles. another example is god telling adam and eve not to eat the quince of the tree of knowledge or else something bad will happen (listen to your elders, they are much wiser than you, and if they tell you not to do something then u better not or you will face the consequences. this also tells another, by eating the fruit of the tree of wisdom the author may have been saying "do not try to act as smart as your edlers when you are just young and naive.") there is also one more moral in that story which is the snake, which represents the evil of the world which even disguises itsself in the most peaceful places, the snake lures them to eat the fruit but of course we can just simplify that down to "dont take candy from a stranger or else something bad will happen." God, who is also a fictional character in these stories, is portrayed as a father figure who will scorn you if you do not abide by these laws, this could have been a way to show children an easier to accept form of government (back then there were kings, who controlled everything and could not be spoken against).

anyways, morals aside, i hate how people have gotten so carried away and throw scientific reason out the window. over 35% of the US beleives we were created in 4004 BC because it was written in the bible. the bible is a little under 2000 years old!! we have had many new scientific advances since then! in the 1850's Charles Darwin sailed on a voyage on his ship the Beagle around the world discovering things that can scientifically prove evolution, finches that seemed like they were created exactly for what they did best, some for grabbing grubs out of trees, some for digging insects out of the ground, and i doubt u would see a short beaked finch pecking at a tree or a long beaked finch sifting through the sand. later, we found many cromagnan man skeletons which carbon dated back hundreds of thousands of years ago, and dinosaur bones which went all the way back before 64 million years ago. not to mention soil deposits way down in the earths crust which show that the world was not created back in 4004BC, which was predicted some time near the roman empire's rule of europe, but was actually created in a big bang when meteors and energy collided to create a planet around 5 billion years ago.

I just watched the Daily Show with John Stewart, and one of the people they were interviewing was a very christian woman who stated that evolution is a myth, its just a propogated thing they push on people who are unfaithful and who are trying to destroy religion. that couldnt be farther from the truth! the facts are that we are discovering new things every day about the world we live in and evolution is one that we have come upon with many many things supporting it. heres one thing, how could we have oil if the dinosaurs didnt exist to become it? thats proof right there that the world is atleast 64 million years old. and that woman claimed that we're trying to destroy religion? no of course not! she is just taking religion the way that it wasnt intended to be taken. just because of human stupidity thinking that these stories may be real is what I personally would like to destroy. but hey, if people want to think that way then they very well are entitled to it, but if you press something like that and mass produce it so that you can corrupt people (especially when they're young) then it can destroy a society, especially if you push morals on others.

History always repeats

if a flood destroyed the 4th sun, what destroyed the others? I'm interested, someone find out and report back.

My guesses are ice age and rap music.

What happened here? you all went off the original subject here, someone post a question about creation and sudenly it turned into one of those attack Catholisism threads, my advice, return to the original subject, because this has been already dicussed and it got nowhere...

Agreed Charlie. Seems like people just read the bible nowadays to nit pick it. It's like one of those " Can you spot the 10 different things wrong between these 2 pictures " kinda ordeal. People don't even begin to understand the bible, they just look for flaws.

My personal opinion... God created the world, I believe in parts of the big bang theory, which has recently been debunked. New planets are now being discovered, it was quite impossible for an explosion to be big enough to send fragments that far into space, or so scientists are now thinking.

If god did infact create the world, or, instruct evolution, he came to man when he had enough intelligence to communicate, but not nearly enough to comprehend evolution or space. Hence why the creation story is simple and fast, if god wanted man to get into specifics and start his teachings even earlier, man just was not advanced enough to know what was going on in the galaxy.

I think God can do waterver he wants, he doesnt have to WAIT for men to be ready, if He wanted the bigest of the explotioons ever He could surley had made it, if He wanted to creat man out of dust well guest what, He could had it done, its a matter of faith combined with a little of science to understand a little percent of the things God have created and how but not everyone of them, scientists stated that men have been around from about two million years...well, the theory of the Mythocondria says 7,500, this can be tied very well with some apocrypohal writings starting with the lost books of Adam andf Eve, there says that God spoke to Adam and told him of the promise of the five and a have days, this promise was about making the Word into flesh , thats bringing the Messiah , (the Word is to refer to God itself) in 5,500 years from then...then our Lord Christ came 5,500 years later and since that theres has been 2,000 yeaers thats equal to 7,500 years, the mythocondria is something that rest inside the women dna, its like a birthmark that can actually be tracked hundreds of generations back, it has been tests on many countries and all people have been positive on the same mark and it has been tracked to a woman i think in africa who lived from 6,500 to 7,500 years ago, and its called the mythocondrial Eve , at first scientist believed that the mythocondrial Eve lived 20,000 years ago but recently has been discovered thart she lved only 7,000 years ago more or less so, after that there where supousdly humans on earth that was neanderthals men of cromañon, etc, maybe they where not true humans at all, i used to relate the decendants of cain with the neandertals but its too much time difering from the Scriptures and that period where neandertal lived, maybe they were other thing...not human,, alien experiments, monsters???who knows...

When you talk about the world though, your talking billions of years, not thousands. I've taken Archaeology, and I have seen the effects of pre carbon dating myself, and it's decently accurate. Dinosaurs did exist, and there bones point back to millions of years ago, thats a fact. Maybe the bible exaggerated on the timeline.

And if that is true what else did the Bible exaggerate on?

Well in my personal beliefs, I just agree that God dummied down some facts, because man, just could not comprehend. Like the creation of the universe, and the visions that John saw in the Revelations.

I just believe certain parables, of epic proportions might have been exagerrated to man, or man tried to put certain things into text, that he did not quite understand, which are now seen as the riddles of Revelations.

So in other words in accurate

I wouldn't say that the bible is in-accurate, just mis-informed. God could very well of created the world in 7 days, but there is much more too it, like Evolution and so fourth. I believe the first "humans " that were actually intelligent enough to communicate with God, could very well of been named Adam and Eve, but evolution had to take it's course in order for God's plan to run. God knows the rules of the universe, he made them , and he created the world in my understanding according to his laws of evolution. He waited till his creation was wise enough to listen and follow his commands.

God didnt create the world in seven days, at least not in our mesure of days, maybe 1 day to God is a couple of millions to us, there where 7 days of God s days .

I want to know what happened on the 8th day!

Holy... I just can't.... it's.....

You posted that and you overlooked the obvious home run argument here:

"Male and female created He them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."

Now, the pronoun/noun agreement here is that "them/them/their/they" are pronouns replacing the word "Adam". "Adam" means "man". So when the term "Adam" is used for "man" in the Bible, it means "mankind", not "one single guy".

You also completely avoid the moment where God marked Cain after Cain killed Abel. The mark was to bring shame on Cain when he met other people. If you go by the notion that Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel and then Cain killed Abel, there would have been no one for Cain to be humiliated by with his mark other than "Adam" and "Eve". This is clearly not the case.

So, instead of those two concrete and sure arguments, you say that you have stumped The Bible because "replinish- re=do again".

He was telling them to "replinish" the earth populating the earth with people who would "replace" them when they "retired" to the after life. Horrible attempt on your part.

Is this the same?

Correct, the point I was trying to get across is that the bible did not lie about the creation story in some sense. God did create the world, he did create man and everything else, I just believe it was not documented if the correct form. So in this case, I suppose it was in-accurate.

If someone told you 3000 years ago about the galaxy, and planets, and evolution, you seriously would not have a clue. People to this day don't even understand evolution.

If they were the first human beings, the gene pool would be very small and therefore, inbreeding would not produce mentally and or physically deformed children because there aren't any "gene variables". And who's to say that inbreeding HAS to produce retarted kids, egyptian royalty did it and only a couple of their kids were like that.

That is what produces defects in a gene pool, The lack of diversity. A small gene pool would produce defect at a very rapid rate and the population would die within a few generations.

According to Genesis, God (I forget whether to was El or YHWH) created mankind on the 6th daybefore he made Adam and Eve on what was, presumably, the 8th day..... It doesn't say how many humans he made but one presumes that, like all other species, it was a viable breeding population.

You cannot hold too much stock in the Genesis story because there is no question that it is a far more inaccurate version of the much older Sumerian Eden story of Adape and a talking dragon that offers him eternal life. The Sumerian verison was written down probably 1000 years earlier than the Hebrew version which was an oral tradition for most of that time. It is quite remarkable that the Hebrew version managed to retain so many elements of the original version, despite little things like the good dragon becomes a bad snake, and Adape becomes Adame.

What most Christians do not understand is that man was NOT intended to have eternal life on earth. He was created as a biological creature to live, reproduce and die. The benificent dragon servant of God in the Sumerian story offered Adape eternal life because he was "recruiting" young men to be "Angels". For millions of years there were only these dragon servants, the Seraphim, Cherubim and Destroyers, for no other creature was evolved enough for this role. Once the modern form of man had suficiently developed, some were selected to be immortal heavenly servants, like the earlier reptilian servants. Adape, or "Adam" as he is now called, gained his place in ancient Sumerian (and thus Hebrew/Christian) theology, not because he was the "first man", but because he was the first man to forsake eternal life as an angel, when the dragon offered it, and chose instead to live out a mortal life, love a woman, and raise a family. Its really a nicer story, and I think a far more believable one, for evolution, geologic time, and common sense can all be compatible with it, as my new book will explain in far greater detail.

how is this post off subject? its all about evolution and morals in the bible, the original question was "who here believes the world was created by god a few thousand years ago?" and then it developed into a discussion about evolution and meanings in the bible, how it can be mistranslated or misinterpretted. my post isnt an attack on christianity, its an attack on the idea that the world was created not billions of years ago (where we have scientific PROOF) but a few thousand years ago (where we have no concrete proof besides.... faith). If you want to hear some christian bashing I have plenty of facts supporting the downfall of religion itsself, including the fact that over 90% of the wars world wide were started by or have one of the reasons for war difference in religion. (and please, dont give me bullcrap about "oh well, those other evil religions started the wars against the innocent christians who's religion is right after all" because if you look at every religion, none of them can be disproven and the christian side of a religious war is just as responsible as the other side, havent u ever heard the song "imagine" by john lennon?)

and Azalin, the reason why people like me take the bible and nitpick it should be obvious, I'm a rationalist, I beleive things that are, well, RATIONAL. when I hear someone argue with "well its best to jsut have faith" to me thats just as childish a defensive recoil as "NUH UH!" I'm not saying u have to prove it to me or anyone else, I'm just saying that scientific analysis is alot more concrete than "just having faith"

btw, how do you KNOW that "humans werent ready to know what god did" if god wanted us to know that we werent ready, wouldnt he give us a hint? give me textual evidence that humans werent ready for the knowledge of god that doesnt say "people shouldnt be smart, because then they wont be dumb enough to blindly follow rules without being able to contradict what they're being taught"

you say I'm nitpicking christianity? no, I'm just suggesting a way of understanding religions origin

Okay, first of all, Genesis was not circulated widely until many many many years after the death of Abraham, who was the first monotheistic Hebrew in the world. The book borrows heavily from established tales (flood myth, see 'Epic of Gilgamesh') and so forth. SO before someone starts spouting off about "Look what I found in your silly bible, christian fools!", go to a library and read the VOLUMES AND VOLUMES written by many men smarter than us about all of the things written in Genesis and the origin of christianity's bible.

Secondly, My father being a christian theologian, I can answer your question about "replenishing" the world. (though you can do this on your own with a simple bit of research I will save the trouble since you would rather gloat and I would much rather look smarter than you).

There exists a belief by many theologians of a "pre-adamite" world. Google it for more in-depth descriptions. The "Pre-Adamite" world was the one that existed before Adam and Eve, Was millions of years old (not 6000) and was the home of all of the creatures we see in fossilized form that died in calamity (dinosaurs, bud). The bible speaks of God creating the heavens and Earth and all of the creatures in each BEFORE adam...this is the pre-adamite world. These things on earth were wiped-out in cataclismic fasion and adam was introduced...sort-of trial-and-error. Adam was to replenish the world that was wiped clean. Theologians also believe the pre-adamite world to house the neanderthal and the austrolopithicus, etc...though I dont know if I believe that.

Congrats. You have posted something that has generated a lot of buzz and could have been solved by a bit of research into "why would it be phrased such?" Much easier to just blurt out accusations than to investigate why a document was phrased a certain way, isnt it?

Also, I am not a religious jesus-freak...i just like to read alot, and think others should at least read a little.

Cheers!

The name of the character who refused Eternal life was Adapa not Adape.
There is no dragon in the story whatsoever and that the food and drink of the gods was offered to him by Enlil.

(props to Marduk)

Many variations of this story exist Kratos. If the version you are thinking of has even "lost"/left out the dragon servant, then it is obviously even "later", and less accurate than the Hebrew version where the dragon at least it evolved into a "trickster serpent", likely inspired by the one in Gilgamesh which helps date the Hebrew version. The version I discuss in the book, clearly the earliest, is even complete with an ancient, cylinder seal illustration of the dragon and Adape, and related stone carvings, all from the 2-3 millenia BC. "Marduk" should really know better, for the same "mushushu dragon-servants that appear on Steles of this "God", also served Enil, and in the earliest version of the story, serve as the intermediary/assistant to Enlil. This is why heaven is full of dragons in the original Judao Christian literature and scriptures, for these theologies all come from a common root. Though as my book will reveal, a great conspiracy has been afoot for centuries to elminate these facts from the Bible.

It it not my intention to claim that the God of the Bible is false, but just the opposite. It is only that when the very oldest stories of the Bible were finally written down, centuries after it started as a oral tradition among wandering, illiterate Semite herdsmen, it "strayed" a great deal from the oldest recorded version of the same events. I would think then, that a clear thinking "believer" should want to study these earliest versions of "scripture" and find what meaning may be in them, rather than dismiss them outright and insist that the obviously much later Hebrew versions were somehow "magically" preserved as the oldest and most accurate when all the evidence indicates this cannot be true.