Man Charged in Alleged Plot to Kill Bush

By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer

ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A former Virginia high school valedictorian who had been detained in Saudi Arabia as a suspected terrorist was charged Tuesday with conspiring to assassinate President Bush (news - web sites) and with supporting the al-Qaida terrorist network.



Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, a U.S. citizen, made an initial appearance Tuesday in U.S. District Court but did not enter a plea. He contended that he was tortured while detained in Saudi Arabia since June of 2003 and offered through his lawyer to show the judge his scars.


The federal indictment said that in 2002 and 2003 Abu Ali and an unidentified co-conspirator discussed plans for Abu Ali to assassinate Bush. They discussed two scenarios, the indictment said, one in which Abu Ali "would get close enough to the president to shoot him on the street" and, alternatively, "an operation in which Abu Ali would detonate a car bomb."


The White House had no comment on the indictment.


Abu Ali was born in Houston and moved to Falls Church, Va., where he was valedictorian of his high school class. Federal prosecutors say Abu Ali joined an al-Qaida cell in Saudi Arabia in 2001. The alleged Bush plot occurred while he was studying in that country.


His family contends that U.S. officials were behind his detention by Saudi authorities and wanted him held in that country so he could be tortured for information. A lawsuit brought on their behalf in U.S. District Court in Washington seeks to compel the government to disclose what it knows about Abu Ali and his detention.


Abu Ali's appearance in federal court here was a surprise because the government never publicly disclosed that he had left Saudi Arabia.


According to the indictment, Abu Ali obtained a religious blessing from another unidentified co-conspirator to assassinate the president. One of the unidentified co-conspirators in the plot is among 19 people the Saudi government said in 2003 was seeking to launch terror attacks in that country, according to the indictment.


More than 100 supporters of Abu Ali crowded the courtroom Tuesday and laughed when the charge was read aloud alleging that he conspired to assassinate Bush.


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ya the States out source everything to foreign countrys these days (even torture).


Both of these plans didn't have a chance in hell. The best attempt so far was that brave pretzel .

I think the American president is very safe from any assassins. It would shock me greatly to hear he fell to some harm.

Note* I don't like bush but I hate killing more. Could they just knock him into a coma until his terms up?

So it begins...
Next please!

Because of my buddhist ways I wish death unto no one, but all I will say is if your goal in life is to kill bush follow your heart till your true meaning of your life is realized.

u know, if any government employee is reading this thread...u may be in danger

I have my rights

Oh god i didn't mean what i wrote

lol. I don't think Mr.Bush will ever be assasinated, but if any recent president was going to be, my money would be on him.

Agreed....he hasn't exactly made himself popular. Certainly, it's been a long time indeed since there was ever a President as univerisally hated as Bush.

Based on some of his decisions, it appears that may already be the case
(kidding, just kidding...)

Man charged for 'Bush death plot'
A US citizen formerly detained in Saudi Arabia has been charged with conspiring to assassinate President Bush.
An indictment read out in a US district court in the state of Virginia said Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, had discussed two scenarios with a co-conspirator.

It was proposed that Mr Abu Ali would shoot Mr Bush on the street or detonate a car bomb, the indictment said.

The alleged conspirator told the court he had been tortured during his detention, which began in June 2003.

'Handcuffed for days'

Mr Abu Ali, who was making his first appearance at the court, did not enter a plea.

He offered via his lawyer to show the judge scars he had apparently received.

"He has the evidence on his back," Ashraf Nubani told the court, quoted by the Associated Press news agency. "He was whipped. He was handcuffed for days at a time."

He was charged with five other counts involving links to terrorism and the al-Qaeda network.

Federal prosecutors say Mr Abu Ali, who was born in Houston, joined an al-Qaeda cell in Saudi Arabia 2001 and the plot was discussed while he was studying there.

He is said to have received religious blessing for the plot.

His departure from Saudi Arabia had not been publicly disclosed before his court appearance.

The White House has made no comment on the charges.




Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/worl...cas/4288333.stm


Glad he didn't. Last thing we need is Bush to be a martyr.

Not that i wouldn't want bush dead but if he dies then we have a greater evil to deal with

CHENEY!

and that is a lot worse than bush

Well that's good that you cleared that up!
Not to burst a good time here, but a friendly reminder: It is most certainly a serious Federal violation to promote or otherwise encourage the assasination of a US president.
I think the law on this generally excludes most "political" group conversations, as most making such statements are trying to make some other point or simply venting frustrations. I'm sure you fall under that category, but please be aware that it can be taken seriously by the authorities.
FindLaw.com has a good treatment on this subject, if I remember correctly

dmgspycat: Omg Rofl!

The next attempt will be by France. Newsweek says that G.Brish sat through Mr. Chirac's speech loudly and violently munching fritos and singing loudly to his IPod.

What's at stake when you admit plotting to assassanation against Bush? Probably a social boost, you gain popularity.

Maybe it was just a bluff.

You people should all be ashamed of yourselves!

The only person who should be ashamed of himself is the idiot who didn't get the job done

This is of course only when the assasins trying to kill him are not in the high numbers . The security surrounding the president will protect him from most , but if he breaks any of his major promises he could possibly be screwed . If he breaks the promise that there will be no draft nobody could save him ... and if he does break that promise I certainly wont be weeping when I hear it on the news .

As for a federal agent reading this thread - get real . They dont have unlimited time .

1 ) Im pretty sure any government agent with at least 2% of his/her brain functioning properly could deduct that nobody here would actually kill the president , nor plot to do so .

2 ) I highly doubt they would waste their time on internet forums such as these . Maybe they would do so on certain islamic forums but on a wackjob tinfoil hat wearers site like this ? Not likely . And if they would then I fear for the economy .

bush is really worried about this you know anyone who tries this may just be an attention hound attempting to fulfil a curse known as the "zreo" factor-reagan may have broken it but maybe not!--also to prove bush is worried check out the article below concering bushs visit to mainz germany tomorrow-remember this is another country-no peeking!
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The "Zero Factor" and Tecumseh's Curse

Some folks believe that the curse of Indian chief Tecumseh has killed every U.S. President before the end of their term in office, if they were elected in a year that ended with 0. The first victim of the curse was William Henry Harrison, whose troops killed the Indian chief in 1813.

Harrison, elected in 1840, died of pneumonia after serving 31 days in office.
Lincoln, elected in 1860, assassinated.
Garfield, elected in 1880, assassinated.
McKinley, elected to a second term in 1900, assassinated.
Harding, elected in 1920, died of a stroke in 1923.
Roosevelt, elected to a third term in 1940, died of a cerebral hemorrhage in 1945.(elected in 1944 for his fourth term)
Kennedy, elected in 1960, assassinated.
Reagan, elected in 1980, survived an attempted assassination. (was the curse finally broken? We'll find out sometime in the next few years
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Mainz residents told not to take a peek at president
By Bertrand Benoit in Berlin, George Parker in Brussels and Robert Anderson in Prague
Published: February 21 2005 22:28 | Last updated: February 21 2005 22:28

For residents of Mainz, George W. Bush's seven-hour visit to Germany on Wednesday and his short meeting with Gerhard Schröder, chancellor, will mean one of two things: a headache or a holiday.

Between the US president's 9.45am landing at Frankfurt airport and his afternoon departure, the sleepy Rhineland town and birthplace of Gutenberg will turn into a steel fortress.

In a contemporary echo of the Lady Godiva legend, anyone living on the route of the presidential motorcade is being discouraged from taking a peek at the 60- to 80-strong column of vehicles conveying the US president. In police leaflets, residents have been asked to keep their windows shut and stay clear of balconies “to avoid misunderstandings”.

Stores and restaurants in the “red zone”, the high-security area centred on Mainz's electoral palace, have been advised to close for the day as part of the biggest security operation in the country's postwar history. “They told us we could stay open if we liked but that nobody would be allowed in the area. It did not seem to make much business sense,” said Bozo Vukoja, owner of the Am-Fischtor Croatian restaurant in the red zone.

Neither driving nor parking will be allowed in the zone, where garages have been emptied, mailboxes unbolted and 1,300 manhole covers sealed.

In one of Germany's biggest postwar security operations, frogmen searched the Rhine for explosives, 1,300 manhole covers were welded shut and thousands of local residents were displaced.

For Bush's 8-hour stay there will be a strict ban on air traffic within a 60-km (40-mile) radius of Mainz, barges on the Rhine will be halted, and motorways in the region closed. Factories, businesses and schools will also shut down.

With anti-Bush demonstrations planned, police cordoned off the entire local government quarter, removed trash containers, and forced residents to either obtain a special pass or stay at home all day Wednesday.

"Bush says he's bringing the message of 'freedom' but we're not free to go where we want in our home town because of him," said Christoph Heidinger, 24, a student planning to march in an anti-Bush rally with up to 6,000 protesters Wednesday.

About 300 protesters braved steady snowfall and icy temperatures Tuesday evening for a warm-up anti-Bush rally. Some carried anti-Bush posters reading "USA go home." One compared Bush to Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/ca1d3720-8457-11d...000e2511c8.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=521901

Well, Reagan contraced Alzheimer's while he was in office, didn't he? That's a sort of death itself. (My aunt died of it and my uncle has it now.)

I agree, though, that violence solves nothing and the last thing we need is for the man to become a martyr.

I do think, with over 15,000 members, there might well be government agents who read this forum. Not that I think they're spying on us, mind you! But government agents are people too, so I've heard, and what's to keep some of them from being interested in unexplained mysteries in their spare time?

Well I'd be prettey scared too If I was him. In fact, I'd lock myself in a bullet proof limousine and drive around the city, knowing that if my speed drops, I'll explode!

regarding the Presidential Curse, SNOPES has an article discussing it along with a couple possibilities, but still no proof.

well they did say some psychic predict Bush will be assasinated this year and so far he was right about other deaths. I still have hope