I found this, I think you guys would be interested

http://www.total911.info/2005/02/video-cnn...-plane-hit.html

What You supposed happend a bomb or did they just have a fire on the same day?

Good find., Captain.

good one blue -one of the many witnesses that the investigators as well as skeptics will ignore like the plague

I am new here so i hope not a repost, another cool vid.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryho...ntagon.php#Main

ah i see it is a repost, well i learned my lesson. Welcome the noob.

I think it is obvious that a plane DID NOT hit the pentagon if people still believe that a plane hit the pentagon........ i dont know what to say i mean there is all this evidence how there was no plane. i just give up i dont want to be rude or anything but if people are so close minded and see a plane next to pentagon .............

have a nice day !!!!

Did he actually go IN to the building? Nah, didnt think so.



I didnt know that 0 was all that much...

I see the video's but why are all of them from one angle, could it be possible the plane hit the building from the otherside or the plane hit the building doing a nose dive from the roof or an other angle that would not cause as much damage to the side all the pictures were taken from.

The Security tape shows something coming in parralel to the ground and hitting the pentagon.

~Thanato

Nope, since theres pictures of the penetration holes.

the first link didnt work

I am a fairly reasonable man: I believe the sun rises in the east and eventually sets in the west. I also believe that in no shape or form a plane hit the pentagon on 911. They are good ,but sloppy: too many loose ends, but alas, the average citizen will not care. give them all the mark and be done with it: I will go underground.

The word of the day for all the conspiracy nuts is:

Disintegration

This is what happens when a jet airplane flys into a building like the Pentagon at 650 mph. It 'disintegrates'. Do you people actually believe that wings and such would just drop off and be laying around the yard? Consider physics rule # 11 (I just made that up) which states that 'an object in motion, tends to remain in motion'. The plane disintegrated on impact. Ooooooh.... a reporter said there was no plane so it must be true.

Time had an article on this in the last issue, maybe some of you should read that before jumping to conclusions and claiming that no plane hit the pentagon.

Lets crash another plane to a concrete building and see wh at happens

Therer is no way that security tape shows any kind of passenger plane smashing into the building. And if there are other cameras that filmed it why are they not available like the ones hitting the towers?

you people are nuts.

Of course a plane flew into the pentagon! I mean ***** how much fuel did it have on the plane.. No wonder why there was nothing left of it !

This has been hashed and rehashed and hashed until it is mish, mash, hash.

Read all about it Here.

Just out of curiousity...

What, all of you who complain that the hole couldn't have been caused by an airplane, what exactly do you think such a hole would look like? What is it about this hole that makes you doubt that an aircraft could have done it?

lack of evidence-767s dont just disintegrate into confetti-ive already posted a link with the AA representative stating that if it was an AA plane that hit the pentagon it certainly would have had a rolls royce engine and then followed with a representative from RR denying that the photo of the jet turbine fan(from the pentagon photos) came from a RR enginge-what more can you ask for? the piece in question was surely identifiable and if the govt could have identified it as being from flight 11 they would have done so already
http://www.total911.info/2005/02/video-cnn...-plane-hit.html
this is the original link that the thread is based on -now no one here had made any comments as to "what" exactly hit the pentagon just that the CNN reporter made this claim and it seems obvious from the evidence that it wasnt a 767--bldg 7 should make you realize that "something" suspicious happened and everything being presented should be considered tainted--

I can ask for specifically what I did ask for and for which I did not receive and answer. I specifically referenced the argument concerning the size of the hole that continuously pops up in all of these conspiracy arguments. People insist that the hole in the side of the pentagon simply isn't large enough to be the result of a plane crash. My questions is: "What exactly do you think such a hole would look like? What is it about this hole that makes you doubt that an aircraft could have done it?"

I am specifically talking about the hole itself. Not about confetti outside (that will come later, but first, the hole), not about alleged engines or rockets, or whatnot, I am talking about the hole in the side of the building, and why people believe it isn't large enough to be caused by an airplane.



What difference would that make? Surely you wouldn't believe such an identification comming from the government, would you?



No, they haven't, however the entire thrust of this thread is that a plane did not hit it because evidence points against it. One of the pieces of evidence is the size of the hole, another is the confetti, another is the engine, etc... I am specifically talking about the size of the hole. I will proceed to the other pieces of evidence as soon as that piece has been dealt with.

Ok so lets say that a plane did not hit the pentagon.

What happen to be plane with all the crew and passengers that were suppose to be on the plane?

It was a real flight, that left a real airport, with real passengers, being tracked by real traffic controllers. Well right until it hit the pentagon that is.

No, no, it was all part of the conspiracy . It was actually a bunker buster bomb retro-fitted with wings and rockets and a snazzy paintjob, which made it indistinguishable from a passenger plane. That explains how it was able to fly, be tracked, fool everyone who saw it, and crash into the pentagon, causing all the damage, and not leaving behind any evidence!

I've solved the conspiracy! Damn, I'm good!

no it wasn't even that, it was an oil tanker (the saudi's and bush are involved automatically), it had a bunkerbusting bomb retrofitted to it, cardboard wings and tail, a funky paintjob, and all the passengers and flightcrew (as well as the blackbox) were placed inside the trucks cab. This was then dropped from a UFO out in orbit (as to avoid detection) by the Reptilians.

WRONG!-it was not tracked-i know what your gonna say--the hole ! the hole ! the hole !-
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8:56 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 transponder signal stops.

8:56 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 goes off course and starts making a 180 degree turn over southern Ohio / northeastern Kentucky.

8:57 a.m. The FAA formally notified the military that American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the WTC. Until then, the two F-15’s fighters from Otis did not know the plane had crashed -- Yet at 8:47 a.m. NORAD had been notified. Why does it take over 10 minutes to inform the two F-15 pilots of this? Do the two F-15 pilots know United Airlines Flight 175 has changed course, and for the last eight minutes has been heading directly for New York City? Stand Down.

8:59 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 completes its 180 degree turn over southern Ohio / northeastern Kentucky and starts heading directly back to Washington D.C. and The Pentagon, 330 miles away.

9:00 a.m.: United Airlines systems operations transmitted a system wide message, warning its pilots of a potential "cockpit intrusion". United Airlines Flight 93, flying over Pennsylvania replies "Confirmed".

9:00 a.m.: Last radar reading on United Airlines Flight 175 is observed at an altitude of 18,000 feet, descending, with a ground speed of 480 knots.

9:00 a.m. The FAA starts contacting all airliners to warn them of the hijacking.

9:00 a.m.: The Pentagon moves its alert status up one notch from normal to Alpha. It stays on Alpha until after American Airlines Flight 77 hits the Pentagon.

9:01 a.m.: Bush later makes the following statement. "And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I used to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.' But I was whisked off from there -- I didn't have much time to think about it." Bush could not have possibly seen the first plane (American Airlines Flight 11) hit the WTC, because the only video showing this was not shown on television till later in the day. So how could he have possibly seen and said this?

9:02:54 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 175 impacts the south side of the South Tower of the WTC between the 78th and 84th floors at a speed of over 500 MPH. Parts of the plane including an engine leave the building from its north side, to be found on the ground up to six blocks away.

When United Airlines Flight 175 struck the South Tower, "it set up vibrations which were transmitted through the building, through its foundation, and into the ground," says Lerner-Lam. Those vibrations, as indicated by seismographs at Lamont-Doherty and other locations, were the equivalent of a magnitude 0.7 earthquake.

NORAD says that when United Airlines Flight 175 impacts the WTC at 9:02:54, the two F-15's from Otis are still 71 miles away. This means their average flight speed was only 23.9% of their top speed in trying to intercept United Airlines Flight 175.

Otis is 153 miles from WTC. F-15's have a top speed of 1875+ MPH. Minus 71 miles left from 153 miles equals 82 miles covered in the 11 minutes from 8:52 take-off to 9:03. Sixty minutes divided by 11 minutes equals 5.45, times this by the 82 miles covered, equals 447.3 MPH. divided by 1875 MPH equals 23.9% of their top speed. How could these two F-15’s possibly be going less than one quarter of their top speed in trying to intercept United Airlines Flight 175? How? Stand Down.

The following passages are from a BBC article published on August 30, 2002. Two of the pilots patrolling northeast America told the programme how they struggled to get to New York as fast as possible after the first plane had hit the World Trade Center. Pilots "Duff" and "Nasty" recalled they were only minutes away when the second plane hit the towers. Pilot Duff said: "For a long time I wondered what would have happened if we had been scrambled in time. "We've been over the flight a thousand times in our minds and I don't know what we could have done to get there any quicker."

Perhaps if they flew a little faster than 23.9% of their top speed is how.

US Considered 'Suicide Jet Missions' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2222205.stm

The F-15 pilots flew ''like a scalded ape,'' topping 500 MPH but were unable to catch up to the airliner [United Airliners Flight 175], Maj. Gen. Paul Weaver said.

National Guard Fighters Raced After 2 Airliners http://www.staugustine.com/stories/091601/...916010027.shtml

Now the only airliner left in the sky with its IFF transponder signal off -- has just made a 180 degree turn over southern Ohio / northeastern Kentucky and has been heading directly back to Washington D.C. and The Pentagon since 8:59 a.m. -- is American Airlines Flight 77. Why didn’t these two F-15’s that were 71 miles from NYC and the WTC, immediately redirect to intercept the only dangerous airliner now in the sky, American Airlines Flight 77?

These two F-15’s had 34 minutes to reach Washington D.C. before American Airlines Flight 77 hits the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. The mission of these two F-15’s from the 102nd Fighter Wing of the Otis Air National Guard Base is to protect the skies from Washington D.C. to the north. The F-15 has a top speed of 1875+ MPH, so they could have closed the 300 or so miles from their current position to Washington D.C. in just about 11 minutes. At top speed they could have been at the Pentagon 23 minutes before American Airlines Flight 77 hits it.

Even if they were flying at the same speed NORAD says that they covered in the last 71 miles till they reach the WTC (532.5 MPH or only 28.4% of top speed) they would have beaten American Airlines Flight 77 to the Pentagon. Why didn’t these two F-15’s directly fly to intercept the only known airliner still in the sky that is hijacked, and heading directly for the nations capitol?

Still, much worse, why didn’t these two F-15’s upon reaching the WTC at 9:11 and now knowing that American Airlines Flight 77 has been heading dead on for Washington D.C. for 12 minutes, finally try to intercept? The WTC is about 250 miles from the Pentagon. They still have 26 minutes to intercept American Airlines Flight 77 before the Pentagon gets hit at 9:37. All they have to do is to fly only 576.9 MPH or 30.8% of their top speed to beat American Airlines Flight 77 to the Pentagon. What do we pay these guys to do?

Still, unbelievably worse, these two F-15’s could have waited in New York City till 9:26 before heading down to protect Washington D.C. and the Pentagon. By 9:26 American Airlines Flight 77 has now been heading directly back to Washington D.C. for 27 minutes, it is the only airliner in the sky with its transponder signal off, and has been off course for 30 minutes. If these F-15’s were flying at top speed, they could be at the Pentagon in less than 10 minutes. They can leave New York City at 9:26 and still beat American Airlines Flight 77 to the Pentagon by one minute. Why didn’t these F-15’s leave at any time between 9:03 and 9:26 to intercept American Airlines Flight 77, the only airliner in the sky with its transponder signal off, and also off course and heading straight do Washington D.C.? Why, NORAD? Stand Down.

NORAD Press Release: http://StandDown.net/NORADSeptember182001PressRelease.htm

AP Article On NORAD PR:
http://www.AttackOnAmerica.net/8MinutesAway.htm

Two New York Times articles apologetically describing this:

Pentagon Tracked Deadly Jet But Found No Way to Stop It
http://www.attackonamerica.net/pentagontrackeddeadlyjet.html

Chronology of Plane Crashes: Orders, at the Time of Impact
http://www.attackonamerica.net/ordersattimeofimpact.html

There is a very interesting video of what looks like a possible F-15 streaking by the WTC just as United Airlines Flight 175 impacts the South Tower of the WTC. Why isn’t anyone talking about this video?

Take a look for yourself at: http://www.MyCountryRightOrWrong.net/F-15.htm

9:03 a.m.: Boston air traffic control center halts traffic from its airports to all New York area airspace.

9:05 a.m.: Andrew Card walks up to Bush while he is listening to a Goat Story with 16 second graders in Sandra Kay Daniels’s class at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida. Card whispers in his ear "A second plane has hit the World Trade Center. America is under attack." Bush (commander-and-chief?) keeps listening to this Goat Story with these children for at least 7 minutes, and perhaps as long as 18 minutes. Why he didn't excuse himself from these children right away, and immediately address this national emergency, is totally illogical and unexplainable.

There is no way this should have happened. What of course should have happened, was as soon as the secret service found out about United Airlines Flight 175 impacting the WTC (now knowing it was a "terrorist" act), they would have immediatly grabbed Bush and brought him to an undisclosed location. There is no way the secret service leaves Bush in a place (Emma E. Booker Elementary School) where everyone knows he is. Stand Down.

9:05 a.m.: West Virginia flight control notices a new eastbound plane entering their radar with no radio contact and no transponder identification. They are not sure if it is American Airlines Flight 77. Supposedly they wait another 19 minutes before notifying NORAD about it.

Why hasn’t NORAD scrambled any fighters to protect Washington D.C. by 9:05? How could they not have? Two airliners have already hit the WTC. Nine minutes ago the transponder on American Airlines Flight 77 was shut off and it made a 180 degree turn and has been heading directly for Washington D.C. for 6 minutes. Perhaps now would be a good time to remember that New York City and Washington D.C. are far and away the top two cities in the United States that would be targeted by terrorists. Why hasn’t NORAD scrambled any fighters to protect Washington D.C. by 9:05? Stand Down.

9:06 a.m.: Order to halt traffic is expanded to include the entire northeast from Washington to Cleveland. FAA's air traffic control center outside Washington D.C. notifies all air traffic facilities nationwide of the suspected hijacking of American Airlines Flight 11.

9:06 a.m.: The FAA formally notified the military that United Airlines Flight 175 had been hijacked.

9:08 a.m.: FAA orders all aircraft to leave New York area airspace and orders all New York-bound planes nationwide to stay on the ground.

9:10 a.m. to 9:20 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93 was hijacked.

9:11 a.m.: The two F-15 Eagles from Otis Air National Guard station in Falmouth; Massachusetts finally make it to NYC and the WTC. So, it takes these two F-15’s, which have a top speed of 1875+ MPH, 19 minutes to cover the 153 miles from Otis to the WTC. This means their average flight speed from Otis to the WTC was only 483.2 MPH or just 25.8% of their top speed. A little math exposes these window dressing fighters for what they are. Thank you NORAD for your September 18, 20001 Press Release. Stand Down.

9:12 a.m.: The FAA formally notified the military that United Airlines Flight 175 had crashed into the WTC.

9:15 a.m.: American Airlines orders no new takeoffs in the United States.

9:16 a.m. to 9:20: The FAA notifies NORAD that United Airlines Flight 93 has been hijacked. (Reported as 9:20 a.m. in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) No fighters are scrambled in specific response, now or later. There is the possibility the fighters sent after American Airlines Flight 77 later headed towards United Airlines Flight 93. NORAD's own timeline inexplicably fails to say when the FAA told them about the hijack. This is the only flight NORAD fails to provide this data for. Why? Stand Down.

9:17 a.m.: The FAA shuts down all New York City area airports.

9:20 a.m.: United Airlines orders no new takeoffs in the United States.

9:21 a.m.: New York City Port Authority orders all bridges and tunnels in the New York City area closed.

9:22 a.m.: A sonic boom occurs, which was picked up by an earthquake monitor in southern Pennsylvania, 60 miles away from Shanksville. This was most likely caused by a fighter jet breaking the sound barrier.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=30682

9:23 a.m.: Bush talks privately with Cheney, his National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller and Governor George Pataki of New York. Why does Bush wait from 9:05 (when Card tells him of United Airlines Flight 175 hitting the WTC) till 9:23 to finally call? He still does not give the authority to the fighters to shoot down any hostile airliners (fighters do not need his OK to intercept – that should have of course happen automatically [but didn’t -- or it was IGNORAD] – his orders are only needed to shoot down a commercial airliner). What is he waiting for?

9:24 a.m.: The FAA notifies NORAD that American Airlines Flight 77 has been hijacked. The FAA lost contact with American Airlines Flight 77 when the transponder signal stops at 8:56 a.m. -- Why does it take 33 minutes for the FAA to tell NORAD that American Airlines Flight 77 has been hijacked? Impossible. Stand Down.

9:24 a.m.: NORAD orders the 1st Fighter Wing from Langley Air Force Base in Hampton, Virginia to scramble two, possibly three F-16 fighters. This time NORAD does not sit on this vital information for six minutes (or more) before notifying Langley AFB (like they did before they scrambled Otis). Langley is 130 miles south of Washington D.C. and the Pentagon. The F-16 has a top speed of 1500 MPH.

Why wasn’t Langley AFB scrambled at 8:20 or 8:40 or 8:46:26 or at the very least at 9:02:54? How could NORAD possibly have waited the 21 minutes from the time United Airlines Flight 175 hits the South Tower of the WTC at 9:02:54 before finally scrambling Langley at 9:24? Waiting these 21 extra minutes to finally scramble Langley is the real smoking gun Stand Down that no one can get around.

Inconceivably, Andrews Air Force Base, with its two fighters wings only about 11 miles from the Pentagon never got off the ground, till after everything was over. They must have been told to Stand Down. This Stand Down that happened at Andrews AFB is the same thing that happened with the at least 35 Air Stations that were easily within distance to protect us of all of these hijackings. They were all told to Stand Down.

The following link lists the 7 bases on full alert and the 28 that were within range.
http://www.StandDown.net/USAFbases.htm

9:25 a.m.: Air traffic controllers inform the United States Secret Service that American Airlines Flight 77 is approaching Washington D.C.

9:26 a.m.: The FAA halts takeoffs nationwide. All airborne international flights are told to land in Canada.

9:26 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 - Passenger, Barbara K. Olson again calls her husband, Solicitor General Theodore Olson at the Justice Department to tell him about the hijacking and to report that the passengers and pilots were held in the back of the plane. Again she is the only person who makes a call from American Airlines Flight 77. Isn’t it very strange that is she the only person to call, not once but twice?

9:28 a.m. United Airlines Flight 93 -- An open microphone aboard reveals someone in the cockpit saying, "Get out of here!"

9:28 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93, "there are the first audible signs of problems, in background cockpit noise." Air traffic controllers hear the sound of screaming and scuffling over an open mike. They then hear hijackers speaking in Arabic to each other. Yet this is at least 8 minutes and maybe 12 minutes after the hijackers had taken over the cockpit and done something to cause the FAA to notify NORAD of United Airlines Flight 93's hijacking.

9:30 a.m.: Two, possibly three F-16 Fighting Falcons code-named Huntress take off from Langley AFB headed at first toward at NYC. A couple of minutes into their mission, according to General Haugen "A person came on the radio and identified themselves as being with the Secret Service" and said, "I want you to protect the White House at all costs." The F-16’s laid in a new course and vectored to Washington D.C. Since both Washington D.C. and New York City are both north of Langley, and this happened within a couple of minutes of take-off, this was not a factor in why these F-16 fighters were flying so slow.

Why were these fighters headed to NYC when American Airlines Flight 77 has been headed directly for Washington D.C. for the last 31 minutes, and with their communication and transponder turned off for 34 minutes? There are no airliners headed for NYC or anywhere else with their communication and transponders turned off. Also, at 9:25 air traffic controllers have already informed the United States Secret Service in Washington D.C. that American Airlines Flight 77 is approaching them very fast. So why are these F-16’s first flying toward NYC? Stand Down.

9:30 a m.: Bush, speaking to the nation from Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, says the country has suffered an "apparent terrorist attack" and "a national tragedy." He would chase down, "those folks who committed this act." Bush also said, "Terrorism against our nation will not stand." It was an echo of "This will not stand," the words his father, George H. W. Bush, had used a few days after Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990-in Bush's opinion, one of his father's finest moments.

Also, during this address to the country Bush promised a full investigation into the attack. Well here we are 16 months later, after everything Bush could possibly do to stop an investigation, and we are finally getting a so-called 911 investigation. That Henry Kissinger and George Mitchell quit as chair and vice chair is very interesting. Of course, having appointed killer Kissinger to lead the 911 investigation in the first place was like saying, welcome to the Twilight Zone. Did Kissinger quit because some of his clients were about to be exposed and tried by him? A little conflict of interest Henry?

This address to the country should have been said at least 15 to 20 minutes earlier. But of course he had much more important business to attend to, he was listening to the Goat Story with the 16 second graders from 9:05 till at least 9:12 and possibly as long as 9:23.

Bush speaking to the country from Emma E. Booker Elementary School.
http://www.AttackOnAmerica.net/BushAtEmmaEBookerSchool.mov

85) 9:30 a.m.: United Airlines begins landing all of its flights inside the United States.

9:32 a.m.: Secret Service agents burst into Cheney's White House office. They carry him under his arms -- nearly lifting him off the ground -- and take him to the security of the underground bunker in the White House basement. What took them so long?

9:32 a.m.: The New York Stock Exchange closed.

9:33 a.m.: According to The New York Times, American Airlines Flight 77 was lost at 8:56 when it turned off its transponder, and stayed lost until now. Washington air traffic control sees a fast moving blip on their radar at this time and sends a warning to Dulles Airport in Washington. Is it conceivable that an airplane could be lost inside United States air space for 37 minutes? Stand Down.

9:35 a.m.: United Airlines Flight 93 goes off course near Cleveland, Ohio where it makes a 135 degree turn, and is now headed to the southeast. United Airlines Flight 93 is 375 miles from Newark, New Jersey and 280 miles from where it was now headed, Washington D.C.

Also reported about United Airlines Flight 93: ABC News has learned that shortly before the plane changed directions, someone in the cockpit radioed in and asked the FAA for a new flight plan, with a final destination of Washington. This should have been a big red flag, a problem aircraft usually diverts to the nearest field. Did the Pilot do this to signal Air Traffic Control?

9:35 a.m.: American Airlines begins landing all of its flights inside the United States.

9:36 a.m.: Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport instructs a military C130 aircraft that had just departed Andrews Air Force base to try to identify American Airlines Flight 77. The C130 reports it is a 767 and it is moving low and very fast.

9:37 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 77 is lost from radar screens and impacts the western side of the Pentagon. The section of the Pentagon hit consists mainly of newly renovated, unoccupied offices. The Pentagon says American Airlines Flight 77 hits them at 9:37. Other published reports have American Airlines Flight 77 striking at 9:40 to 9:43; The New York Times even published 9:45. (The photos taken before the Pentagon "E Section" collapses at 10:10 a.m. show a hole that sure does not look like a Boeing 757-223 hit it. There were no holes in the Pentagon where both jet engines would have gone through? Why?)

At 9:37 NORAD says the F-16’s from Langley were still 105 miles and 12 minutes away. Incredibly, this means their average flight speed was only 14.3% of their top speed in trying to intercept United Airlines Flight 175 before it hits the Pentagon. If these F-16’s flew at top speed, they would have been there just after 9:37.

Langley is 130 miles from the Pentagon. F-16's have a top speed of 1500 MPH. Minus 105 miles left from 130 miles equals 25 miles covered in the 7 minutes from 9:30 take-off to 9:37. 60 minutes divided by 7 minutes equals 8.57, times this by the 25 miles covered, equals 214.3 MPH. divided by 1500 MPH equals 14.3% of their top speed. How could these two F-15’s possibly be going one seventh of their top speed in trying to intercept American Airlines Flight 77? Even the story about first flying to NYC does not account for this unbelievably slow speed because they got the message to redirect to Washington D.C. within a couple of minutes of take-off, and NYC and Washington D.C. are almost exactly the same direction (north) from Langley. Stand Down.

Three more of the 7 air stations on full alert were within range of Washington D.C. Tyndall AFB in Panama City, Florida is 800 miles from Washington D.C., from the time they scramble and flying at top speed, they could have reached Washington D.C. in 35 to 40 minutes. Homestead ARB in Homestead, Florida is 1000 miles from Washington D.C. from the time they scramble and flying at top speed, they could have reached Washington D.C. in 45 to 50 minutes. Ellington ANG in Houston, Texas is 1250 miles from Washington D.C. from the time they scramble and flying at top speed, they could have reached Washington D.C. in 55 to 60 minutes.

Remember at 8:40 the FAA notifies NORAD that American Airlines Flight 11 has been hijacked and at 8:43 a.m. the FAA notifies NORAD that United Airlines Flight 175 has been hijacked. So at 8:43 a full 54 minutes before American Airlines Flight 77 hits the Pentagon, NORAD admits to knowing about these two airlines being hijacked. With a 54 minute start -- besides of course Otis ANG who were already in the air (at 8:52) and Langley AFB fighters (finally ordered to scramble at 9:24 – airborne at 9:30), both Tyndall AFB and Homestead ARB fighters could have beaten American Airlines Flight 77 to the Pentagon and Ellington ANG fighters had an outside chance. Of course both air stations in Florida, Tyndall AFB and Homestead ARB, should have been sent to protect Air Force One in Sarasota -- but incredibly they weren’t sent there either.

At 8:56 the transponder on American Airlines Flight 77 stops sending the IFF beacon. This is 41 minutes before it hits the Pentagon. Again besides of course Otis ANG and Langley AFB fighters, if ordered to scramble at 8:56 Tyndall AFB fighters could have still beaten American Airlines Flight 77 to the Pentagon. Stand Down.

NORAD Press Release: http://StandDown.net/NORADSeptember182001PressRelease.htm

AP Article On NORAD PR:
http://www.AttackOnAmerica.net/8MinutesAway.htm

Two New York Times articles apologetically describing this:

Pentagon Tracked Deadly Jet But Found No Way to Stop It
http://www.attackonamerica.net/pentagontrackeddeadlyjet.html

Chronology of Plane Crashes: Orders, at the Time of Impact
http://www.attackonamerica.net/ordersattimeofimpact.html
http://www.standdown.net/

No, wait, the passenger and crew were actually demolition charges in disguise! That way, when the plane crashed into the building, they were automatically launched into the exact position they needed to be in to bring down the towers later on!

only sadistic pukes could joke about such a topic-you are obviously linked to the sick satanists and will never acknkowledge the evidence and obviously do not care about respecting the new yorkers and their brave firefighters who were sacrificed that day, whose blood is dripping off your chin and fingers as you laugh and joke about something that a normal person would simply take interest in or disregaurd without ridicule in respect to those who the assumed conspirators are trying to redeem

Don't even try it, Sunofone

I laugh at you. I laugh at your attempts to find a super-villain to rail against. I laugh at your ferverent desire to be the one superhero who can save the entire world from the forces of evil. Don't even pretend you have any right to the moral high ground. Your claim that the brave firefighters and New Yorkers were assassinated by their own government is as insulting as any joke I could make.

Get over yourself. You, like me, are nothing more than an insignificant mote in the universe. Tilt at all the windmills you like, but none of them will ever become a dragon.

only because the CIA working in conjunction with Bin Laden won't let them.

I thought OBL died in the Daisy Cutter assault on Tora Bora.

Nah, that was one of Saddam's doubles doing a little moonlighting.

id still love to see the answer to the question, if it wasnt that plane that crashed into the pentagon where the heck did it go ?

did the actual plane and passengers land and hide at area 51 ?

i mean really id love to hear an explanation

That's an easy one. The plane didn't exist. It was made up out of whole cloth. The CIA in conjunction with the airline companies hoaxed the entire plane so they could blow up the Pentagon.

The plane was a hologram. The US government placed holographic projectors along the round the planes would take and projected the image of 757s.



Believe it or not, I've actually heard someone claiming that.

But then, there was an unexpected electrical field generated, and the plane disappeared, and reappeared instantly in Norfolk Harbor, and....wait, I got my stories mixed up.

LOL@Aquatus!

I'm going to try and be fair with you joc even though you rag on most of us as "conspiracy nuts" for no good reason. First of all, I am no physicist but I'm pretty sure that a plane as big as a 757 does not "disintigrate" just look at the Pennsylvania crash. That plane fell out of the sky like a bullet(so we are told) and even that left debris, especially the turbine engines. The plane was scattered over an 8-mile radius which is why some people feel it was blown out of the sky, but back on point it still did not disintigrate. Answer me this joc...why would authorities take all the Virginia DOT film footage and lock it up? Does that sound like normal procedure? Things just dont add up. Maybe you are right that a plane hit but was it a 757? Where's the footage? At this point we can see that it was either a bomb or a missile or a smaller plane. So we are not a bunch of nuts yet. Not until authorities come clean with the evidence. As a side note, government witnesses are a dime a dozen so they cant be necessarrily trusted. The Warren Commision has proven that.

Thats the point where you should put on your glasses.

I believe Joc was referring to "disintegration" in the sense of something large being turned into relatively smaller and unrecognizable particles, like paper in a cross-cut shredder, not into microscopic particles of dust. He brought it up when the topic concerned the size of the hole compared to the size of a jetliner, indicating that the size of the airliner would not directly translate into the size of the hole, because the main body of the airliner would "disintergrate"; becoming pieces of small size in comparison with their original size. Same thing with the plane that crashed into the field. It "disintergrated" into pieces small enough to be blasted, blown, or otherwise transported over an eight mile area. Obviously, the harder or more solidly produced portions of it, such as the engines, would not disintergrate, but the vast majority of the plane, being relatively thin aluminium, would tear as easily as paper.

Incidentally, if the government can't be trusted, then how can the conspiracy ever be shown to be false? If they release the evidence and it doesn't point to a conspiracy, why would you believe it? What would you consider evidence that there was no conspiracy?

The "government" is a neutral entity, that is why most people who blame the government for everything get dismissed as being "nuts". You have to be more specific when developing a theory. The reason I think the way I do is historical perspective. If I said to you auatus...Bush was involved with blowing up a Polish freighter in Miami harbor in the 1980's, why wouldn't you believe me? Sounds incredible? Just like 9-11 right? But check out one Orlando Bosch...a right -wing anti-castro Cuban and how the Bush law team got this "terrorist" off the hook. Considering the Bush family history and their closeness Colonialist powers why is it hard for you to believe that this was all meditated? I didn't just jump on the bandwagon on this 9-11 conspiracy...I have been reading about inside scoops for a long time...FOIA docs...covert ops against our own people...COINTELPRO...Operation Northwoods...BCCI...HUD scandal. You know aquatus...the staggering thing is that some of these events have the same key players...you will never learn this stuff in school.

It can only be learned at The Academy of Whacko Conspiracists.

I was gonna add something here but Aquatus1 and Joc have pretty much said it all

It is ok if you dont see where I am coming from. I tried to point out irrefutable stuff that is available through court documents. If you people are too lazy to read it for yourself that is fine but then how is your critisism justified?

After reading this whole thread, it should be noted that everything said here, by us "wackos" and "disbelievers" alike, only really points out that no matter what you belive, or hear, or read, or discuss, or argue about, no one is ever really certain of the absolute TRUTH in this matter. That being said, it would do us all good to open ourselves up to consider and contemplate those things that we don't necessarily agree with. Closed-mind pig-headedness just cannot be construed as constructive in any way, and is a contributing factor to the downward spiral of our civilization.

If i remember correctly one of this communities members was on the scene shortly after the crash, i believe it was Mentalcase. You may do well to ask him what he saw.

Dmgspycat, i'm more than happy to read these court documents time willing - are they on the net? have you a link?

We can't see any video of the Pentagon becuase the Federation of Bumbling Idiots scampered around and confiscated all the videos. Wha' happened?

"I went to the Pentagon and all I got was this lousy t-shirt with four blurry video frames"

I used to work in the Pentagon pre-911, and I had access to the security cameras, among other things. The cameras varied widely in quality. At any one time, several would be disabled, were being serviced, or were otherwise out of commission. The tapes were reused, leading to a deterioration of image quality.

Most of the cameras covered entrances, busy hallways and sensitive areas; they weren't scanning the skies for kamikazie pilots. And they typically only recorded a frame every few seconds or so. So it doesn't surprise me that none of the security cameras show the plane actually hitting the building.

What you do see in one is a big red-orange fireball, straight out of Hollywood. That's exactly what you'd expect from burning fuel, rather than high explosive, where you get a brief flash of fire and a big cloud of dust.

Two possibilities about holding evidence on the Pentagon:

1. Plane didn't hit Pentagon, if videos released it destroys official story.

2. Plane did hit Pentagon, creating straw man by later releasing video evidence to try and discredit 9/11 conspiracy.

Either way, it takes the focus away from other questions, such as 'why was there no protection provided for Pentagon?', and video evidence on the WTC that is available for study.

I lean towards option 1, but lack of video evidence of impact makes proving it definitively very difficult.

What kind of protection are you going to have for a jetliner on a suicide mission? You'd have to deploy missile batteries and radars a significant distance from the site in several directions, in a major metropolitan area(not to mention close to an international airport). This takes time, money and planning that would be spent on other more mundane threats.

And if there had been such a defense set up, I'll bet people here would be saying: "Isn't that convenient that the government just happened to be defended against just this kind of attack! It's obviously evidence of a conspiracy!"

A plane hit the Pentagon. There were witnesses. It knocked down streetlamps. Remnants of the aircraft's interior were recovered from the scene.