AFTER WATCHING ALL THE NEWS COVERAGE IT REMINDED ME OF THE ST. MALACHY PROPHECIES PREDICTING THE FUTURE POPES.

BELOW IS THE FIRST PARAGRAPH FROM AND A LINK TO A WEBSITE REGARDING THESE PREDICTIONS.

The next Pope will be the last according to the prophecies of St. Malachy. The line of Pontiffs have almost come to an end. Malachy undertook to list in advance the proper succession of Roman pontiffs from Celestine II (1143) to "the end of the world."He did not name them, but revealed the successors under symbolic titles, set down in Latin. His prophecy contained a motto for 111 Popes starting with Celestine II (1143).

http://www.jpdawson.com/lastpope.html


DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SUBJECT?

Hmmm yes, i too was reminded of this prophecy, however the next pope won't be the last. According to one version, the pope after the next pope will be the anti-christ - but still the pope.

i would not worry, kalki will destroy them

Uh who?

In the current verisions printed there are 2 popes left but in the earlier printings the next pope is the last.

Well Sylvia Browne said the next pope would be the last so I'm convinced. Convinced that there will be several more

I guess I should have wrote is the next pope the last pope and would anyone really care............. lol

I must tell you sir that I could care less if the next pope is the last one or not, maybe it would mean the end of Catholicism as we know it... (I could only hope) If this is true though, I have to hope that they at least make it a good one. Nice and relatively young, wiry frame and healthy... You know, go all out.

On a more serious note, I had never heard of these prophecies... There seems to be a prophet for EVERYTHING. Jeez, don't these people have more interesting things to do in their own times then to make cryptic predictions about the feature that are virtually adapatable to any situation the believer wants them to be? I guess I have yet another thing to look into.

Adaptable to any situation gee that sounds more like every seer in the history of the new age movement then Christian prophecy. As to the next pope being the last it would actualy be one of the most important events in history no matter who you are and probably a disaster. If the church falls a lot of charities will cease to exist that are largely funded by it. For my part I hope the next Pope is as good as this one. John Paul has done a fantastic job.

Adapatable to any situation is true of ANY prophetic vision as it would seem. It doesn't matter whether or not the view comes from a "christian" or a "new age" nutjob (not my words), the point is still the same. The reason these prophecies have been around so long is because they are worded so vaguely. If they weren't, the would surely have perished as quickly as they came. Christian prophecy certainly isn't above that. Hell, I've heard the destruction of the the temple compared to the book of Revelation. Then later on down the line, we compare it to our present day situations. That doesn't even mention all the people who undoubabtly drew parallels from it and their present day situations over the last nearly 2 millienia.

More onto topic however, I was half joking about the whole hoping the papal office fails soon thing. They serve there purpose for their people; just because I don't too much care about them doesn't mean I want them out of the way. To do that would be like me saying that only my truths are fact, and I certainly can not say that as I do not know this. But I can tell you now that I'm not buying into that notion about the state of charity falling into obscurity if the Church falls. I must tell you that there are many charities which exist because those who have are willing to give to those who have not. They aren't necessarily guided, or funded, by the Catholic church. As long as these inner-city shelters, orphanges, and soup kitchens exist, charity will never fail. But that's not what we should be striving for anyway. We should be fighting for social JUSTICE. The biggest disaster for many people if the church falls would be a shaking of faith, and I certainly do not view this as a bad thing. Maybe then, people will stop being so self-content and begin to reach out to one another to find meaning on this earth rather than reaching blindly out to a entity who's existence can't be ascertained. (And is ultimately irrelevant to true happiness in my opinion)

Many charities would survive true but many more would fold with out the funding and backing the church gives. As questionable as some of the actions the Catholic Church has taken they have(and still) done a lot of good in the world.

I agree with that, I am not against the church for what it does to help out humanity. I believe that it is very necessary.

I would love to see exactly how much charity work the church funds though if anyone has some numbers, I personally can't be bothered to look them up.

If charity and giving makes it so important than the United States goverment and most of the European nations give far more money and resources than the Catholic Church

Did you by any chance expect the Catholic Church to be rich? European countries have markets adn companies and industry...the Catholic Church has its bible.

i don't see the big deal about the end of the world... i can't wait.

Hurrah! Jesus Christ and Chyren too!



Kalki is the hindew messiah, the final avatar of Vishnu the preserver of humanity, who is foretold to straighten out the world.

The Catholic Church is rich and wealthy. They protect their wealth by separating each diocese and then letting them go bankrupt when it's convenient.

And the Catholic Church does have it's bible and has re-written it when it does not suit there needs in the past.

Funny that he is supposed to come riding on a horse... Horsemen of the Apocalypse anyone? Jesus doesn't come riding on a horse at anytime during the christian apocalypse does he? (I don't think he does, but I thought I'd ask)

How would it affect the other worlds religions if the Catholic Church seperated?

Well, for starters the other religions would see an increase in believers... For the most part, people NEED something holy to believe in I think. They would find there way to something new, something different to once again give their lives meaning. It's not like doctrines of anything outside of Christianity would change though. They aren't THAT intertwined.

Actually, Kalki is supposed to come riding a white horse.
And in revelations, it says Jesus(Or somebody like him) comes riding... a white horse.

If the pope and the catholic church is no more it would have to destroy peoples belief in god and that would have to have a sevier ripple effect through out the worlds population.

You can't go 2000 years with a religion and then it just ends with no side effects.

The Catholic church is one of the richest organizations in the world and one of the most powerful politicaly. Why do you think they've managed to maintain Vatican City as a complete and independent nation for several hundreds of years even weathering Moussilini's reign? Interesting fact years ago a group of appraisers were allowed to assess the value of a portion of the Vatican's store of gold. Theyconcluded that if the church ever released its stores it would make gold largely worthless(remember through the middle ages when the church sold indulgences most of the nobility paid in gold).

So the loss of the pope and church could and probably would create a very sevier world economic recession on top of a religious revolt.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to confirm really... Just linking together how these religions have seemingly borrowed images from one another.

So if there are so many links then the loss of the pope would for sure hurt other religions.

Why would you reason that? The religions are intertwined in that manner... Would it affect the doctrine of Islam to see the pope position disappear? Considering that they don't believe Jesus was more than a prophet and because of this have a fundamental disagreement with Christianity, I doubt that it would matter much to them. Also, why would this bother Buddhism, or Hinduism? Taoism? Shinto? There are a ton of religions that wouldn't feel the problems of this, and neither would their followers. Now if people started commiting mass suicides because their religion has failed, THEN it would be a problem for all.

If the Catholic religion collasped then it would cause other religions to preach their superiority and to prove to their followers that they had chosen right. That their religion is the one.

And as any dying thing be creature or system it would clawing like a drowning man spreading all the dirty rumors and hidden false beliefs of other religions in an effort to drag them down also.

And the Catholic Church has enough wealth and power to do so.

But if the pope fell, do you think anyone would still be willing to listen? Keep in mind that the Pope is supposed to be god's voice on earth in essence. Wouldn't that roughly be equivilent to god falling? Wealth wouldn't help them here if no one cares anymore. And power? That fell the same day the papal office did.

EXACTLY so as the Catholic Church goes so humanity goes

If you reason to see it that way then so be it... There's really no way of proving either argument, as you proved by misconstruing my entire point last post. You won't have to worry about the fall of Catholicism anyway, its not happening anytime soon. (But even if it did, the idea of Christ and God wouldn't necessarily die... it's not the ONLY denomination of the church of christ)

The only way for there to be a last pope really would be to completely destroy the catholic church from top to bottom. Since that will never actually happen this side of judgement day its kind of a moot point.

The reason behind my post was easy can anyone name the leader of the Methodist, Bapitist, Southern Baptist, Luthern, and so and so.

These religions stem from Catholism. And everyone reconizes the pope.

And it is possible that any enitity be it a church or a government can collaspe.

What effect would it have on these other religions.

Just think of all the wars over the last 3000 years to prove which religion is the true religion.

In my opinion, the only money they receive is when people have mass and donate that money to the church. Thats how the Catholic Church still stands. I don't think they receive money from the government.


Thats interesting...maybe if the bible were re-written, I would suppose that other owners of the bible would have known so and exposed the fateful decisions of the church? If the church were to re-write the bible, then the church would have already been exposed of its fraudulence...

Thats only my opinion ...

The catholic church has done just as much evil as Hitler if not more. Get rid of all religions...what we all need is an independent conscience capable of being considerate towards others. Not blindly follow an institution of fundementalists who never experienced life. Last pope? The faster the better. The answer to life is within you.

The Catholic church will collapsed ?
Huh...this is the only church in the world that can produce universal miracles.
Most miracles are associated with the Catholics no matter how you are against it.
Anyway, i have my own belief not related to religion but i don't close my eyes on other things.

There will be a Pope, either this one coming or the one after, but more likely the one coming, who will kill another Pope to take his place. He is the anti-Christ. That's why the 7 hills mean Rome. No, it won't be the end of the Catholic church - it will begin hell on Earth. There will also be one claiming to be Jesus, and people will believe him, when in fact he is not. After that Jesus will turn up. People will be expecting Jesu to be coming in Peace, but instead He is coming ion wrath. The wrath of God.

Speaking of blindness, you and a few others seem to suffer from it most. Utopia as you envision it will never be on Earth, with or without religion. Don't athiests and Non-Christians kill, start wars, embellish, spread hatred? My word they do. The problem isn't religion, it's humanity itself.

As much as you may wish it would, it would not. With or without a church, people would still believe in God that already do, and in turn teach their children and so on and so forth. Even without a church Christian books would still be available, especially the Bible. Then there's the fact that with or without a Catholic church, Judaism would remain unchanged, and they still believe in the same one and only God, they just don't accept Jesus.

Major opposition has never stopped Christianity.

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Even if you think the story is true then let me ask why not one of you Catholics has considered the fact that a pope was already murdered In 1978! Don't you remember ? His name was Luciani, I think his title was Pope John Paul I. He was right before the one we have now and was only in office for 33 days. He was going to clean the rats out of the Vatican Bank...remember Roberto Calvi? P2? Banco Ambrosiano? Anyway...bottom line here is he was murdered and people don't know it but he was going to clean house with a lot of things, he was a progressive and people liked him. In S. America he was friends with ArchBishop Romero who it was discovered later was murdered by right -wing death squad trained by the CIA. Don't forget to figure these things in your prophecies.

Ah, but the rub is that the God they believe in would not necessarily be the Christian God! RC is the largest Christian Denomination and if it died maybe half (at most) would remain Christian and the other half would go to something else. Either way, Christianity dies just a little more!

Books and holy script of defunct religions still exist, but the religions are dead, why would Christianity be any different?

If the church was to fall, there would certainly be chaos for a while. For many people, their religion is the only reason for them to live, and if they lost that, they would have nothing. But after a while, people would move on to other religions.

When it comes to the money aspect of the church falling, I'm sure they would make a big dent in every economy around the world. People would start freaking out and pull out of everything, thus leading many economies to crash I'm sure.


Anyway, these prophecies are so vague that I see no reason to buy into them. I don't think we have anything to worry about for quite a while.

Honestly I think it goes back to Christ's promise to the first Pope St Peter. He foretold that Peter would be the rock upon which the church would be built and the gates of Hell would not prevail against it.

Have any of you ever watched Jack Van Impe ministries?

That dude and his hot (but dumb) side-kick have been predicting Judgement day for the past 10 years. They keep using news clippings (from unreliable sources) and Jack's PhD in Theology to push their messages.

I actually found it funny to watch.

Sorry I'm off topic, but the issue reminded me of old Jack.



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The next Pope won't be the last and might be one in here.

Dionigi Tettamanzi
Francis Arinze
Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga
Joseph Ratzinger
Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino
Ennio Antonelli
Giacomo Biffi
Jean-Marie Lustiger
Claudio Hummes
Cardinal Angelo Scola
Count Christoph von Schoenborn
Crescenzio Sepe
Cardinal Dario Castrillion Hoyos
Angelo Sodano
Jorge Mario Bergoglio
Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone
Giovanni Battista Re
Juan Luis Cipriani
Keith O Brien
Sean Patrick OMalley
Cormac Murphy-OConnor
Norberto Rivera Carrera
Cardinal Carlo Maria Martina
Cardinal Marco Ce
Godfried Daneels
Ivan Dias 20
Miloslav Vlk (Czech Republic)
Jose Da Cruz Policarpo
Wilfred Napier (South Africa)
Cardinal George Pell
Cardianl Ruini
Silvano Piovanelli
Diarmuid Martin
Cardinal Edward Cassidy
Cardinal Edward Clancy

Pick your choice.

'Course I ain't a Catholic so my vote doesn't count, but I vote for scipherel!

I'm married with 2 kids

According to another thread, they are changing the rules and letting the Priests be married, that should go for the Pope too!

I was expecting that reply coz i read it too.

That's another thing why is it so important that priests and nuns be so devoted to God that they should forsake loving another.

What other major religions require this?