Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums > White noise and it's meaning

Merlin420

Feb 28 2005, 01:05 PM

Ok well i am looking for someone out there interested in discussing the pro's n cons to the exsistence of ghost's and whether or not they try to communicate with us or if it's us with the problem of mental illness?

also looking to talk in depth about how they communicate with us and if it has meaning. are ghost's ever gonna reveal to us the secret of life after death and if so why haven't they already done it are there rules to the after life preventing them from doing just this?

plus curious is your opinion on the theory of resurrecting afterlife memories by surgical/medical means and also are those scam artist who call themselves phycics really what they claim or is it just a typical game of manipulation.

someone interested in debating this with me jump right in the more people the better but don't stray off subject. try and keep it close to home so if to many people reply we canmake sense of it all

The Blue Merlin

Bogeyman

Feb 28 2005, 01:30 PM

Hey Merlin welcome to the forum

Well if your question is about evp/itc well then ...there is no argument that the voices are there ...this has been proven time and time again, and if you doubt it you can do it yourself to prove it...without expensive equipment.
Here are some ordinary joes that do it day in and day out

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/grassharp/

Now where are the voices coming from ...that is the question ?
The curent favoured theory is that they ARE from the afterlife and indeed this is what most of the voices say when they are asked.
This is not a subject anyone can be swayed on without researching it themselves....so if you want to dig deeper try
www.worlditc.org
www.aaevp.com
these are two of the best most reputable sites for evp.
This subject has been flogged to death here and there are many many threads on the subject...so i'll leave it at that !
If i've missed your point apologies

DoubtingThomas

Feb 28 2005, 03:36 PM

Actually, Bogeyman, there is an argument.

The only time I have ever been able to hear the voices in EVP recordings is when they have been enhanced (for example, in the White Noise trailer). Enhancement in this case is more correctly expressed as modification. I can modify an EVP recording to play nothing but random noise. It definately casts doubts on the validity of many such recording.

Also, most EVP are incredibly suggestive. Try listening to one without the subtitles/explanation and see if you can determine what it says. Then do the same with subtitles. You will notice that you are instantly able to tell what the voice is saying. This is the human mind at work, the greatest pattern-recognition machine ever. It tends to find a suggested order in random chaos, even if said order is not present.

Lastly, there is no theoretical mechanism as to how the voice of a dead person can wind up on a tape recorder without someone hearing it during recording. In all, there simply isn't enough evidence to prove that EVP is a genuine phenomenon.

Merlin420

Feb 28 2005, 03:39 PM

QUOTE(DoubtingThomas @ Feb 28 2005, 08:36 AM)

Actually, Bogeyman, there is an argument.

The only time I have ever been able to hear the voices in EVP recordings is when they have been enhanced (for example, in the White Noise trailer). Enhancement in this case is more correctly expressed as modification. I can modify an EVP recording to play nothing but random noise. It definately casts doubts on the validity of many such recording.

Also, most EVP are incredibly suggestive. Try listening to one without the subtitles/explanation and see if you can determine what it says. Then do the same with subtitles. You will notice that you are instantly able to tell what the voice is saying. This is the human mind at work, the greatest pattern-recognition machine ever. It tends to find a suggested order in random chaos, even if said order is not present.

Lastly, there is no theoretical mechanism as to how the voice of a dead person can wind up on a tape recorder without someone hearing it during recording. In all, there simply isn't enough evidence to prove that EVP is a genuine phenomenon.
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personaly after much investigation and research i find that evp is the next big hoax of our time many people putting countless hours into it for fun as a hobby

Bogeyman

Feb 28 2005, 03:46 PM

The voices are real....dont believe me ,try it yourself !!!!!!if at first you dont succeed try again.....they are there.
where they are from i dont know.

Bogeyman

Feb 28 2005, 03:51 PM

QUOTE(DoubtingThomas @ Feb 28 2005, 03:36 PM)

Actually, Bogeyman, there is an argument.

The only time I have ever been able to hear the voices in EVP recordings is when they have been enhanced (for example, in the White Noise trailer). Enhancement in this case is more correctly expressed as modification. I can modify an EVP recording to play nothing but random noise. It definately casts doubts on the validity of many such recording.

Also, most EVP are incredibly suggestive. Try listening to one without the subtitles/explanation and see if you can determine what it says. Then do the same with subtitles. You will notice that you are instantly able to tell what the voice is saying. This is the human mind at work, the greatest pattern-recognition machine ever. It tends to find a suggested order in random chaos, even if said order is not present.

Lastly, there is no theoretical mechanism as to how the voice of a dead person can wind up on a tape recorder without someone hearing it during recording. In all, there simply isn't enough evidence to prove that EVP is a genuine phenomenon.
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DT....Have you tried it yourself.I could link you up to loads and loads of people who were sceptical about this...as a matter of fact they were so sceptical that they had no problems in trying it for themselves because they knew they would get nothing.......But they did and they do and they are now obsessed and continue to this day.But thats not proof enough i realise that so thats why i say get a new tape and try it.
But hey look i could argue with you about this point and that point for months if you'd like....why not try it for yourselves and then we'll talk about it......thanks

Bogeyman

Feb 28 2005, 03:54 PM

Merlin
In which direction did your "much investigation and research" take you ?
Tell me where and what sites or references you have used in the research....thanks !

KevinM

Feb 28 2005, 08:17 PM

World ITc is actually one of the most credible groups on the net. It was started by a scientist named Rawdive and is dedicated to producing evps under labatory conditions. I've had the chance to interview them more then once in fact and Mr Macy is one of the most credbile people I've seen on evps. AAEVP is another matter. WHat evps I"ve heard from them by and large are of poor quality and most likely fakes.

Silent-Storm

Feb 28 2005, 10:14 PM

I have tryed EVP and was successful, the program i used was adobe auditions, i kept to the simple filters and still got a result, from Chillingham Castle grave yard...
I heard two very faint voices of a young women and a boy, you can tell what they are, but i can't make out what they are saying..There was no one in that grave yard it was about 2am, we left the tape running and explored the grounds of the castle... just wish i
still had it to prove it can be done...

Bogeyman

Mar 1 2005, 11:47 AM

QUOTE(Silent-Storm @ Feb 28 2005, 10:14 PM)

I have tryed EVP and was successful, the program i used was adobe auditions, i kept to the simple filters and still got a result, from Chillingham Castle grave yard...
I heard two very faint voices of a young women and a boy, you can tell what they are, but i can't make out what they are saying..There was no one in that grave yard it was about 2am, we left the tape running and explored the grounds of the castle... just wish i
still had it to prove it can be done...
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You dont need to because even if you did ...it would not be believed anyway !
There are hundreds if not thousands of true honest to goodness real evp's on the net,In the grassharp group i mention above ...ordinary joes get together and provide their samples...everyday.But the debunkers will have you believe that it's all baloney....so in other words all these people get together every day to talk about results they're not really getting,on a subject thats not really real !!!! ?
Silent Storm .....you or i dont need to prove this one way or the other ...let anyone who doubts it try it for themselves ...then come back here and talk about it !

Bogeyman

Mar 1 2005, 11:50 AM

QUOTE(KevinM @ Feb 28 2005, 08:17 PM)

World ITc is actually one of the most credible groups on the net. It was started by a scientist named Rawdive and is dedicated to producing evps under labatory conditions. I've had the chance to interview them more then once in fact and Mr Macy is one of the most credbile people I've seen on evps. AAEVP is another matter. WHat evps I"ve heard from them by and large are of poor quality and most likely fakes.
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Kevin
I cant agree with you on this....Some more research will show you that aaevp was started by grieving parents who have lost children.The motivation for starting the association was to contact these children and to help others in coming to terms with their loss !
Hardly a bunch of Charlatans ? As with all organisations you will have scoundrels and people cashing in.....but careful investigation allows you to avoid these types.

scipherel

Mar 1 2005, 11:58 AM

Ye, try it first before you say something.
I will try it too but i'm still looking for effective tools to use.
Hey Silent storm, why did you change your avatar?

Bogeyman

Mar 1 2005, 12:38 PM

QUOTE(scipherel @ Mar 1 2005, 11:58 AM)

Ye, try it first before you say something.
I will try it too but i'm still looking for effective tools to use.
Hey Silent storm, why did you change your avatar?
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A plain old fashioned tape recorder with a new tape is a good start.Or on your midi system...whatever

Start recording,allow the beginning of the tape to run out...(the clear piece).
Do not invite all or any spirits present....ask for positive spirits only.Preferrably ask for a family member thats passed over,if you're religious say a prayer and ask for positive guidance and help,Tape for 5 minutes only....it takes a long time to listen back on 5 minutes even.
Ask your questions and allow about 30 seconds between questions ...(allow time for an answer).
Stop and playback...preferrably with ear phones !
If it doesn't work for you first time dont worry keep at it, it will.....sometimes it's possible to catch them off guard but when they're expecting you !!!
If you are anyway nervous and think you would be frightened to hear what may be spirits speaking directly to you....Dont do it,or seek advice.
I would advise anyone starting to start with a friend....but you must treat it seriously.

Silent-Storm

Mar 1 2005, 01:46 PM

QUOTE(scipherel @ Mar 1 2005, 12:58 PM)

Ye, try it first before you say something.
I will try it too but i'm still looking for effective tools to use.
Hey Silent storm, why did you change your avatar?
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Thanks for asking scipherel..
The last avatar i had didnt realy say alot part from a woman with a gun, this avatar was very kindly done for me by Snuffy, i think it says alot, i like what it means, and i love it...

Silent-Storm

Mar 1 2005, 01:49 PM

QUOTE(Bogeyman @ Mar 1 2005, 12:47 PM)

QUOTE(Silent-Storm @ Feb 28 2005, 10:14 PM)

I have tryed EVP and was successful, the program i used was adobe auditions, i kept to the simple filters and still got a result, from Chillingham Castle grave yard...
I heard two very faint voices of a young women and a boy, you can tell what they are, but i can't make out what they are saying..There was no one in that grave yard it was about 2am, we left the tape running and explored the grounds of the castle... just wish i
still had it to prove it can be done...
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You dont need to because even if you did ...it would not be believed anyway !
There are hundreds if not thousands of true honest to goodness real evp's on the net,In the grassharp group i mention above ...ordinary joes get together and provide their samples...everyday.But the debunkers will have you believe that it's all baloney....so in other words all these people get together every day to talk about results they're not really getting,on a subject thats not really real !!!! ?
Silent Storm .....you or i dont need to prove this one way or the other ...let anyone who doubts it try it for themselves ...then come back here and talk about it !
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Yes i totaly agree with you Bogeyman, you know what they say, don't knock it till you have tryed it..

Bogeyman

Mar 1 2005, 02:46 PM

(best ali g voice)

Aiiiiieeeeeee !