Odd.. There are documented reports since at LEAST the 70's involving visits from the MIB. (MIB movie made in 1997)

It's kinda like someone saying "Aliens and UFO's were something created in E.T. and Close encounters of the third kind"

But we all know sightings of this kind have existed for thousands of years.

In response to the forums showing how stupid we are..

Not once will i ever poke fun at someone's beliefs if they differ from mine. I'm open to every opinion, and i love to debate. But damn man, never call someone stupid for what they believe in. It's just not cool.

Babs-

I hardly take offense to you disagreeing with my facts... You aren't exactly anyone that I would put much faith in to get fact from, since you believe that a fireman or police officer are above embellishing facts. Believe me, I take no offense....

I am sorry but I can choose who to tell about my experiences and who not to.. Or was that a demand on your part?

So, let's leave it at the part that you don't think I know what I am talking about. You go about your existence none the wiser.



Reese

You better fear me Falco... And Moe.. you too.... Grrrr

Even growly old wolves need rest....

Funny how a lot of so called sightings strongly resembled the STEALTH BOMBER in design..... now no doubt to a conspiricy theorist who has more interest in perpetuating their fantasy they would see that as 'collaboration' with little green men.... "Gosh, they must have based the design on UFO technology!"

Most rational people would realise that the only reason the flying object was unidentified was that a few people saw the test flights of that odd looking PLANE and 2+2=5 for them!

If some people where told to shut up it was likely to have been CIA or FBI trying to keep the plane secret till the government went public with it... rather than some fictional MiB bull****!

The old chestnut is "Its a weather balloon stupid!" but it IS the case that most such 'sightings' are mundain things viewed by the over imaganative. I've been stood next to someone who SAW a UFO..... funny, I only saw a plane!

Fenris is allowing everyone's personal opinions.. What he is trying to do is 'school' some people that should be grateful for the free lessons.

Everyone can stand to learn from time to time, and it speaks volumes about ones dignity to pony up and admit they need some 'schooling'..

Lessons taught the hard way, are often lessons that could have been learned the easy way..

Babs, CMA- I do hope at the end of all this, you have gained some insight. You have a great chance at really going far, but you have to be receptive to things that you do not know.



Reese

Not really. I think its obvious that Babs Wants to believe so despratly that she blinds herself to any other possibilitys... which is no skin off my nose.

However, like my aproach to Theology, I don't much care what someone believes however I do try to make sure there is more than one opinion presented and that rhetoric or overactive imaginations aren't presented as unchallenged 'facts', so that others reading have a variety of outlooks to consider, which encourages them to make their own minds up rather than simply accepting what they read.

You certainly do a good impression of someone who is desprate to believe!

I have no problem accepting that you saw 'Something' that you 'believe' to be a UFO.... however if I had stood next to you at the time I suspect that I would have been able to identify it as something mundain as I did last time I was stood next to someone who 'saw' a UFO.... he 'wanted' to believe too whilst I just delt with what I was actualy seeing!

What can I say Fenris?...you are just above it all.

Real info... you mean really real not just hearsay twaddle from over imaginative gullable folks?

How about an event where we KNOW what it is that all too often sparks a rash of 'ufo' sightings..... IE something where we know when its going to happen and also know that there will be a rise in the reports of UFO's from those gullable folks who so WANT to believe!

Try This BBC news report.... facts enough for ya?

Are you sure we ain't related Falco?

Who knows' Fenris? Both Dad and Mom really used to get around in their younger days..

Especialy when seen against This

I had a quick look for any record of numbers of UFO reported sightings for that year.... only found one for Australia.... but as predicted, look at the peak Just when the Astrologists predicted there would be one!

I may have a diffrent opinion about UFO's, however I have more respect for belief from someone who looks to eliminate normal possibilitys before jumping to any EXTRA-ordinary conclusions.

I appreciated you putting the word true in quotes, denoting that it was subjective and disputed 'truth' from your perspective rather than presenting it as a definate artical. A small diffrence to some I know..... however I lived with a linguistics major and notice such things

You want info on MiB, check film scripts! Its the ONLY facts there are on MiB!!!

You want FACTS about how people delude themselves when they want to believe in something so badly that they forego reason.... thats what you got! Mars, satalights, tricks of refracted light through atmospherics, WEATHER BALLOONS.... all UFO's if you listen to such people.... anybody in a dark coloured suit... ooooh gosh, MiB's.... too much movie watching, too little rational thinking!

Babs, you are so thick headed that I don't even think you would be truly receptive to anything new.

You would be surprised how many people do mistake such simple things as planets, airplanes, and military crafts for UFO's. It really isn't as uncommon as you think.

The above quote is from the bottom of the home page of the link you provided. I guess I am unsure of why you posted a link to this guys' site? If it is to prove something, the only thing it proves to me is that he has an extensive list of literary references. He does not personally sift through each report to check it's authenticity, he relies on the hard work of the authors of these books to do that for him. (If they even start out doing it with an unbiased approach.) The people that investigate such phenomenom are just as important, if not more, as the actual honesty of witnesses to UFO's or MIB's. So, he compiled a bunch of sightings, big deal. Anyone could do that.

I guess I am having difficulty understanding why you are coming in here so brash and with nothing but wittless sarcasm? You say that you see everything Fenris and I have pointed out, yet you are fighting us, for some reason.

I want to be clear here; I have no desire to force you to change what you believe. NONE.. You are probably too far gone at this point anyway.. You have spent many years reading and soaking up every piece of literature about UFO's, that you haven't even stopped to question where the content comes from. (Which should be the first step to enlightenment)


There are many people that write books or go on TV claiming all sorts of things. When there is hype all around a town, for instance, the 'human condition' is condusive to provoke people to step outside of their normal boundaries of moral fiber, and turn to things for excitement's sake. (For fear of being left out of the hype, and unique situation)

If you see everything that we are saying, yet you still stand on your soap box screaming, "The MIB's are real, because the fireman in my town said so", it leaves me questioning, are you really aware???


As I said, I have no desire to try to impose something new on you. You have said that you have seen a UFO, once. At night. (Back in 1974, I think you said) If someone was to see anything at night, how can you be sure that it was a UFO? Oh, I know, because it dematerializes, in a clear night sky.. Did you know that Cirrus clouds would not be noticed on a night sky. Even if the meterologist says that it is a clear night, that does not mean that there are no Cirrus clouds. It means they are very high up and almost impossible to detect, forming above 20,000 feet. If there is a plane very high up, at night, and it appears to 'dematerialize' then wouldn't you, or anyone as a logical thinking person, want to rule out possiblity of something so easily explainable? When you soak up all these sightings of other people, you are allowing them to impress your mind with their beliefs, without questioning theirs, at all.

You said something before about sightings happening mostly at or around bases. I told you, that is just not true. I believe that there could possibly be more 'reported' sightings around bases, but not legite UFO's.

Do you even see here how you sound to others'? I know you want to believe, I get that, I really do. But, you must be stringent with what you allow to influence your thinking. There are many people, like yourself, that want so badly to see something, and to make right what they saw, that they forget to stop and ask questions. You are prey for an ever thriving business growing stronger by each imperceptible mind.




Reese

From what I've read from you, you 'may' need the services of someone who been on them (j/k)

Of course you would like to discount psychology dear as there are plenty of FACTS concerning the type of self delusional behaviour that those who construct such elaborate fantasys like... MiB's being real. It gives them something to focus on other than the dull dispointing REAL world that they find themselves in where they are not important and not noticed.... a fantasy that due to the effect of mass media has grown so that many of the various consipricy theory fantasys overlap and provide 'facts' (Hearsay!) to reinforce each others delusions.

Blue-Scorpion Have you actualy got an argument behind your assertion that existance of MiB's is "Most likely" or is that simply another example of 'blind wishfull-thinking'?

MIB as in a secret government organization that monitors UFOs and may even have contact with extraterrestrials? Naw.

MIB as in a handful of encounters with mysterious, human individuals (or as in movies with loads of CG aliens and funny situations)? Yeah, I'd say it's very possible.

Fenris, by the above statement you give the impression that people began to believe in Men in Black or MIB after the 1997 movie "Men In Black". Yet, reports of men in black go back long before that; thus, making your statement inaccurate. If that is not so then prove me wrong; BUT you (Fenris), Reese2, Falco Rex, and Babs should damn well not post your pathetic argument about UFOs in "Do you believe in the MIB?" section so people like myself wouldn't have too read through all of that pointless BS in hopes of finding something about the MIB!

nobody held a gun to your head and forced you to read the posts, dude. Ever hear of a library ?

I am sorry Socol, bust doesn't the entire 'exsistence' of MIB's directly relate to and on sightings or encounters of UFO's?

Should we have been discussing Big Foot here? I must have missed the witnesses that have said they have encountered the MIB because they spotted the 7 ft. hairy beast deep in the woods.. Let me know, because I do so hate to post things that don't belong...

Next time, feel free to read something else.... I wouldn't want you to be out of your element....


Reese