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| I never said anyone forced me to read this. However, this is like reading a book about cooking and finding half the book filled on grooming dogs. Oh, and thank you for proving my point on making unnecessary posts when you could just send the person a message. |
Perhaps you should have sent Fenris, Reese2, Falco Rex, and Babs a personal message as opposed to making unnecessary posts like your last one ?
geez louise!! 
what happened here?! its like yer all turning on each other!!
*lil' irish vamp takes cover from the onsault(sp?) of negativity being hurled around the forum*
the mib got to ye didnt they??
what happened here?! its like yer all turning on each other!!*lil' irish vamp takes cover from the onsault(sp?) of negativity being hurled around the forum*
the mib got to ye didnt they??
More info. on MIB.
here
click on Men in Black_also click on Varginha... fascinating information on MIB.
here
click on Men in Black_also click on Varginha... fascinating information on MIB.
| QUOTE (Babs @ Jul 4 2004, 03:40 AM) |
| Fenris...are you what we call a debunker? Debunkers debunk anything. Feni, you are the type of guy that if a UFO hit you on the side of the head, you still wouldn't believe. |
BABs, If you read anything I wrote in this thread, you obviously didn't understand it.
If I was a debunker then I wouldn't have any respect for Reese's position.... where she is skeptical of any initial claim until ALL other normal causes are ruled out.... but she herself believes. What I've said all the way through is that people shouldn't be so blindly willing to believe in things they have no actual personal proof of. Too many people want to believe so badly that they fool themselves.... like the Mars case, with hundreds of people claiming to have seen a UFO where they self evidently actualy saw Mars!
Once you take out all the explainable causes your left with barely a couple of percent that is truely unexplained.... Unless a 'ufo' does hit me on the side of the head then I'm likely to believe that its most likly that the truth of those unexplained sightings is something mundain... But its only when you get to that stage where its opinion Vs opinion and everyones is equal.... before that you have self delusion and the likelyhood that SOMETHING hit you in your head, repeatedly..... but my opinion is that it probably more resembled a 2*4 than ET's lift home!
As to the person saying this argument is in the wrong place.... given MiB's, as presented, supposedly deal exclusivly with the UFO phenominon then the two are inextricably linked. Also, as Moe pointed out.... no-one forced you to read it.... or are you claiming a MiB was stood with a raygun to your head? And yes, MiB where heard of before the film.... but also in fiction....and simerlarly nutballs found the idea compelling and a convenient vehical for their paranoid delusions back then too.... the film just made more people aware of the idea.... and more paranoics and over-imaganitive folks who can't tell the diffrence between fiction and fact... joined the 'game'
...as I pick myself up off the floor 
Fenris...You haven't read anything I've posted, either, or you would know that I look at all sides of the issue... or I try to, before I come to a conclusion or opinion.
If you have gone into:
virtuallystrange.net
you would see that there are all sides argued there_ and investigated.
Here's an interesting article about a woman seeing a UFO.... and others are talking about Venus being in the picture, similar to what you and reese are saying. People are trying to convince her that what she saw was Venus.
hit:
virtuallystrange.net
then hit latest 100 messages: UFO "Only Venus" July 5/04...Bruce Maccabee
Now, I'm not saying she made a mistake....I wasn't there, I simply don't know. But I am inclined to believe what she saw because I have seen a UFO.
Fenris...You haven't read anything I've posted, either, or you would know that I look at all sides of the issue... or I try to, before I come to a conclusion or opinion.
If you have gone into:
virtuallystrange.net
you would see that there are all sides argued there_ and investigated.
Here's an interesting article about a woman seeing a UFO.... and others are talking about Venus being in the picture, similar to what you and reese are saying. People are trying to convince her that what she saw was Venus.
hit:
virtuallystrange.net
then hit latest 100 messages: UFO "Only Venus" July 5/04...Bruce Maccabee
Now, I'm not saying she made a mistake....I wasn't there, I simply don't know. But I am inclined to believe what she saw because I have seen a UFO.
Fenris wrote:
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| But it's only when you get to that stage where it's opinion vs. opinion and everybody's is equal...before that you have self-delusion and the likelyhood that SOMETHING hit you in your head, repeatedly...but my opinion is that it probably more resembled a 2*4 than ET's lift home! |
...in your case it probably was a 2*4!
reese...something for you. It is interesting conversation about sightings on a darkened military reservation by a project boss for computer aviation simulations procurement. There will be more on this information if you keep up with the hitlist.
hit:virtuallystrange
hit latest 100 messages: Latest From The Pro From Dover...Alfred Lehmberg...July 5/04
hit:virtuallystrange
hit latest 100 messages: Latest From The Pro From Dover...Alfred Lehmberg...July 5/04
| QUOTE (Babs @ Jul 6 2004, 06:40 PM) |
| ...as I pick myself up off the floor Fenris...You haven't read anything I've posted, either, or you would know that I look at all sides of the issue... or I try to, before I come to a conclusion or opinion. |
I HAVE read what you've been writting.... and you've basicaly jumped on the bandwagon of every bit of unsubstanciated heresay waving your little "We love ET" flag that cropped up on as little 'fact' as "He was a fireman so I believe him."
The only thing you appear to 'look' for is any piece of circumstancial or fabricated nonsense that corralates with what you WANT to believe. The old "Here is the conclusion, now what facts can we find to substansiate it"
From what you appear to have claimed as 'facts' if I couldn't look out my window and varify it myself, I wouldn't believe you if you said the sky tended to be BLUE.... so you can imagine the size of the pinch of salt I take your claim of a sighting with.
Fenris wrote:
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| I wouldn't believe you if you said the sky tended to be BLUE...so you can imagine the size of the pinch of salt I take your claim of a sighting with. |
About as big as that 2*4 that someday may hit you.
Just what I was saying, you're a .... *DEBUNKER*
Instead of debunking, Fenris, why don't you offer some info. on MIB's....pro or con. I'd be interested and I think others would be too.
I am begining to think that some people just like to argue. This thread has become a game of cat and mouse called " Ive got you now , you son of a beeyatch."
Fenris...I was reading today and came across exactly what we are talking about. This article reminds me of you.
hit: ufo updates
Alien Abduction Tales Offer Clues on Memory...Will Bueche (42 content lines)...July 2/04
..."human secularism with a _DASH_ of materialism."
hit: ufo updates
Alien Abduction Tales Offer Clues on Memory...Will Bueche (42 content lines)...July 2/04
..."human secularism with a _DASH_ of materialism."
I could point out that the first real documented report of the MIBs' came from Albert K. Bender. A well-known UFO crank, who ran a magazine about Flying Saucers that was folding due to lack of interest...
And then he came out with this "Being harassed by mysterious Men in Black" story..Lo and behold, interest in the UFO phenomenon picked up after this..
Just a little too convenient for me..
And then he came out with this "Being harassed by mysterious Men in Black" story..Lo and behold, interest in the UFO phenomenon picked up after this..
Just a little too convenient for me..
That is interesting Falco, but 'theSource' just gave us that information a page or two back.
I am looking forward to 'theSource' coming back and talking with us.
...adding another thought, there are more articles on the MIB at the...
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/ site. Go into the site and do a search for MIB's.
but 'theSource' just gave us that information a page or two back.I am looking forward to 'theSource' coming back and talking with us.
...adding another thought, there are more articles on the MIB at the...
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/ site. Go into the site and do a search for MIB's.
This thread started to look a bit dangerous with all the 2x4's being swung all over the place, but I wondered back in anyway (fools rush in...etc. 
).
The "UFO debate" going on here is a different subject which belongs in another thread, so I'm staying out of that one.
).The "UFO debate" going on here is a different subject which belongs in another thread, so I'm staying out of that one.
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| Reese posted: Should we have been discussing Big Foot here? I must have missed the witnesses that have said they have encountered the MIB because they spotted the 7 ft. hairy beast deep in the woods.. Let me know, because I do so hate to post things that don't belong... |
Ironically, a self-proclaimed 'investigator of anomalous phenomena' by the name of Jon-Erik Beckjord claims that he had encounters with MIB-like individuals while investigating Bigfoot. I guess if one looks deep enough it's possible to find an MIB reference in just about any paranormal subject.
I'm convinced that the reported cases of MIB from the 1950s through the 1970s were due to government/military/law enforcement agents, journalists and reporters, or simply hoaxes. I do not believe they were aliens, robots or 'metaphysical beings.' Reports of MIB seemed to have dropped off through the 1980s and early 1990s -- that is, until the first movie came out.
I noticed something similar occurring with another mysterious anomaly known as Mothman. I read John Keel's book "The Mothman Prophecies" around 1976. After 2 1/2 decades of talking with people about UFOs, cattle mutilations, ghosts and assorted cryptids, in all that time I encountered only one other individual who had heard of Mothman.
Interestingly, after the movie came out, not only did everyone and their Great Uncle Jack now know about Mothman, there were people everywhere claiming either they had seen it themselves, or knew someone who had.
Yeah, right.
The same thing happened with the MIB. They had become little more than a footnote in UFO lore, until the first movie (which was actually based on a comic book, BTW) brought the subject to the public's attention once more (albeit in the form of entertainment, rather than another conspiracy theory).
I consider myself a skeptic, but I also do not have a problem with what anyone chooses to believe. However, I cannot accept the whole MIB secret government/alien task force theory based on a few old and sketchy reports of guys in dark suits acting strangely (now that I think about it, I've encountered MIB at every wedding reception and wake I've ever been to!
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reese...the hitlist's reports and investigations go through painstaking scrutiny and discussion.
Here's more on the Varginha case. They are discussing things in depth...thought you'd like to see how they arrive at opinions and conclusions. So you see, I don't just jump to conclusions... or as Fenris said_have an over-active imagination.
hit: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/
hit latest 100 messages: New Varginha Case Revelations...A.J. Gevaerd...July 8/04
Here's more on the Varginha case. They are discussing things in depth...thought you'd like to see how they arrive at opinions and conclusions. So you see, I don't just jump to conclusions... or as Fenris said_have an over-active imagination.
hit: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/
hit latest 100 messages: New Varginha Case Revelations...A.J. Gevaerd...July 8/04
| QUOTE (Fenris @ Jul 2 2004, 01:04 AM) |
| How strange Babs..... you ask for 'facts'... you get facts..... you stop responding (and you HAVE been here!). Whats up? are Facts not to your liking? |
Well, now what's happened to fenris?
reese...answer to your comment on me studying this UFO stuff all my life....sorry, I've been studying this stuff for over a year now.
the Source...
Wow. ...more just came in on that 'fireman' incident in Clermont County, Ohio. There is a video.
Kenny Young is the man I talked to at the UFO organization here in Cincinnati about my UFO sighting.
here
hit latest 100 messages: UFO "Accident" Claim By Fireman_Video Report...Kenny Young...July 9/04
This is in Pierce Township, Clermont, County, Ohio. The street, Merwin, is right down the road from here....well, a few miles. This is an incredible video about the incident and the MIB.
Wow. ...more just came in on that 'fireman' incident in Clermont County, Ohio. There is a video.
Kenny Young is the man I talked to at the UFO organization here in Cincinnati about my UFO sighting.here
hit latest 100 messages: UFO "Accident" Claim By Fireman_Video Report...Kenny Young...July 9/04
This is in Pierce Township, Clermont, County, Ohio. The street, Merwin, is right down the road from here....well, a few miles.
This is an incredible video about the incident and the MIB.
reese...I hope this video helps you out....you can call the fire dept. with this information. 
Babs I just wanted to commend you for doing so well under this onslaught.
As a Christian who (get ready for this) actually believes that The Bible is true, I've faced similiar onslaughts and I can just tell you to stay strong and don't let it get you down.
I started on this topic because I've been interested in the Men in Black as long as I've been interested in U.F.O.s in general, which is AWHILE.
The Men in Black far pre-date the films. As a matter of fact when the first one came out I remember thinking "Well if there is anything to there Actually being Men in Black, then this movie will do a great job of creating an instant Laughter Curtain around them". Unless you find the idea of government dis-information a complete impossibility, then you'd have to admit that IF someone high up wanted to discredit eyewitness reports of Men in Black, then they could'nt have done much better than making sure a big budget COMEDY blockbuster got made.
Just some food for thought.
I had a lot more info. on MIB's before my computer went down. I am trying to get the info. back...sometimes they tell you that looking into this area_UFO's_ can get pretty dangerous. You know... things happening to people and computers crashing.
This is the second link that didn't work...hope it works this time.
http://www.theparafiles.com/articles/mibs.html
Sorry. Here's another site I came across....interesting.
here
...and adding these:
here
here
You know... things happening to people and computers crashing. This is the second link that didn't work...hope it works this time.
http://www.theparafiles.com/articles/mibs.html
Sorry. Here's another site I came across....interesting.
here
...and adding these:
here
here
I don't believe in them in the least. And it was a stupid movie, the secound was even worse.
Here's a write-up on the fireman incident. Greg Boone thinks people should ask for credentials and the government should investigate anyone impersonating an agent. It seems that if the MIB's had come to his house he would have been a little more colorful.
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/
hit latest 100 messages: UFO "Accident" Claim By Fireman...Greg Boone...July11/04
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/
hit latest 100 messages: UFO "Accident" Claim By Fireman...Greg Boone...July11/04
Wow!....MORE VIDEO
I am bringing this to you on this thread because I feel that it backs up the 'fireman incident' or at least gives you some UFO background on Ohio. It is free, available and on-line, a 5 minute video.
The video is a reenactment of Ohio's UFO sightings, featuring MUFON Director Bill Jones and produced by Kenny Young (the fella I reported my UFO sighting with).
here
hit: latest 100 messages: Video Report: Y2K Encounters....July 11/04....Kenny Young
It's an incredible video!
I am bringing this to you on this thread because I feel that it backs up the 'fireman incident' or at least gives you some UFO background on Ohio. It is free, available and on-line, a 5 minute video.
The video is a reenactment of Ohio's UFO sightings, featuring MUFON Director Bill Jones and produced by Kenny Young (the fella I reported my UFO sighting with).
here
hit: latest 100 messages: Video Report: Y2K Encounters....July 11/04....Kenny Young
It's an incredible video!
Ok, Babs, I'll bite....
As much as I hate to interrupt all the posts you are posting to yourself, answer me this; Why is this 'incredible' video? It is nothing but 'dramatic reinactments'.
Other than why you think this video is so 'incredible', you don't need to post much to me, as it really is falling on deaf ears now.. You have proven yourself to be into the 'hype' of many simple situations. To think that this video is 'incredible' and also try to pull it off as some great piece to your fireman story, hmmm... (Leaves me scratching my head in awe of you, really)
I think you have proven something here, but it sadly doesn't pertain to anything 'paranormal', or 'extraterrestrial'.... 
Now, carry on with your stimulating posts... They really are getting rather scintillating.. (In the fanatical sense, of course) 
Reese
As much as I hate to interrupt all the posts you are posting to yourself, answer me this; Why is this 'incredible' video? It is nothing but 'dramatic reinactments'.
Other than why you think this video is so 'incredible', you don't need to post much to me, as it really is falling on deaf ears now.. You have proven yourself to be into the 'hype' of many simple situations. To think that this video is 'incredible' and also try to pull it off as some great piece to your fireman story, hmmm... (Leaves me scratching my head in awe of you, really)
I think you have proven something here, but it sadly doesn't pertain to anything 'paranormal', or 'extraterrestrial'....
Now, carry on with your stimulating posts... They really are getting rather scintillating.. (In the fanatical sense, of course)
Reese
reese wrote:
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| ...you don't need to post much to me, as it really is falling on deaf ears now |
right. ...Is that why you have responded? Actually, reese, I thought you and Fenris had "fled the thread". As far as me posting to myself...I think there are people out there that are interested in this subject; look at the views.Question for you reese. Where is that info. you were going after....you know that 'fireman deal'?...Why is it that you say you are going to do something, and then don't.
| QUOTE (Babs @ Jul 12 2004, 06:50 PM) |
| I thought you and Fenris had "fled the thread". |
I didn't FLEE anything, I simply got bored responding to a stupid little girl who wouldn't recognise a fact if it bit her on the arse.
You asked for facts... I posted them... after a slience from you you post what you claim is facts... and when the links are looked at they are mearly pointless drivel from other self-deluding freaks.....
Clearly you have too much invested in your fantasy to be part of a 'discussion'... and your pathetic GAME is very dull
can any 1 plz tell me about the MIB and story's about them
No such thing.
They're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS in a MOVIE.
They're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS in a MOVIE.
| QUOTE (Fenris @ Jul 12 2004, 02:25 PM) | ||
I didn't FLEE anything, I simply got bored responding to a stupid little girl who wouldn't recognise a fact if it bit her on the arse. You asked for facts... I posted them... after a slience from you you post what you claim is facts... and when the links are looked at they are mearly pointless drivel from other self-deluding freaks..... Clearly you have too much invested in your fantasy to be part of a 'discussion'... and your pathetic GAME is very dull |
1)Let's see, I'm a stupid little girl...
Older and wiser than you, Fenris.
2)And, I'm a self-deluded freak...
If I am a self-deluded freak and you respond to me...what does that make you?
3)"Clearly you have too much invested in your fantasy to be part of a 'discussion'"...
All you and reese do is tear down, name call...you haven't contributed a thing... unless that destructive talk and debunkery is your contribution.
4)... "and your pathetic GAME is very dull"...
If my game is so dull, why are you participating?
Could we get this thread back on topic or it will end up having to be closed - and can we have less of the personal attacks please.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Sorry, SaRuMan...back on topic.
I found something that I had before, but you will have to go to:
here
Do a search for: Melvin Tucker... Men in Black.
Then hit: Encounters with Men in Black- (Minneapolis Star Tribune)
It will be number 7. There will be two articles of great interest.
I found something that I had before, but you will have to go to:
here
Do a search for: Melvin Tucker... Men in Black.
Then hit: Encounters with Men in Black- (Minneapolis Star Tribune)
It will be number 7. There will be two articles of great interest.
Well Babs, I have to say that a lot of your links are merely gates to other forums,where opinion rules over fact. This is hardly evidence of the kind we need to see to make an informed decision based on evidence.
I suggest you stick to genuine articles and evidence rather than supposition and theory if you want us to take you seriously..
I suggest you stick to genuine articles and evidence rather than supposition and theory if you want us to take you seriously..
At least they are interesting.
...and I thought this was a... do you believe question? I am bringing info. to the thread. I don't really know about the MIB's, Falco. It is a very interesting subject. Although, I have to admit, no one came to see my husband and myself after our sighting...(of course we didn't report it back in 73) but acccording to some of these accounts you don't have to report it to have a visit. I'm not sure about these supernatural appearances, but like I said people have reported UFO's blinking out...so who knows?
...and I thought this was a... do you believe question? I am bringing info. to the thread. I don't really know about the MIB's, Falco. It is a very interesting subject. Although, I have to admit, no one came to see my husband and myself after our sighting...(of course we didn't report it back in 73) but acccording to some of these accounts you don't have to report it to have a visit. I'm not sure about these supernatural appearances, but like I said people have reported UFO's blinking out...so who knows?
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| I suggest you stick to genuine articles and evidence rather than suppostion and theory if you want us to take you seriously. |
I wasn't aware that I was on trial here; I didn't know this thread was about me. I am merely presenting material, Falco, you will have to make your own decisions.
....ever think of contributing yourself?...some material on MIB's that is...pro or con?..I have an open mind.
Interesting yes, but we need factual information. Especially if you're trying to prove your belief out. One silly link can ruin five serious ones..
...read post above, Falco...I didn't finish what I was saying.
You might not believe it, but I'm not trying to demonize you or put you on trial here Babs. But when you want to present information, my own personal belief is that it should be actual information instead of some guesses or some opinions. Posting your own beliefs is just fine. I do it all the time. But when we're trying to get some facts together, more opinion doesn't help..
I've been trying to contribute to this thread myself, actually;but I have yet to find any MIB information that isn't related to the movie or articles written by people who assume the MIBs' are fact in the first place. I'm not just going to post any link I find on the subject. I'd like it to be well thought out and researched..
The fact that I've been unable to find very much of worth on the subject alone would make me doubt if I already didn't...
I've been trying to contribute to this thread myself, actually;but I have yet to find any MIB information that isn't related to the movie or articles written by people who assume the MIBs' are fact in the first place. I'm not just going to post any link I find on the subject. I'd like it to be well thought out and researched..
The fact that I've been unable to find very much of worth on the subject alone would make me doubt if I already didn't...
Well, Falco, it is hard to find documented incidents. I guess that's why this subject is called a mystery. But just because you can't find any facts or documented material doesn't mean the subject isn't true or worthy of investigation. I do remember that some of the material presented here had documented incidents...but then you have the problem of believing what witnesses say.
"And the beat goes on" ....just like any other mystery.
"And the beat goes on"
....just like any other mystery.
i think that there is a so called 'men in black' or a simular organization set up by the government. because if the government claim that there is no such thing as aliens then why does Title 14, section 1211 of the Code of Federal Regulations, implemented on july 16 1969, make it illegal for U.S citizens to have contact with extraterrestrials or their vehicles? so that is my reason for believing there is a 'M.I.B' or simular organization.
See, now there's an actual fact to work with! Good job Pheenix! It does look a little suspicious doesn't it? At the same time I'm remembering those freaky laws that got posted a while back. If they have laws that declare it's illegal for fish to ride bicycles and such then it's no real surprise to me that there'd be laws in the books covering Alien Contact too..
There are a lot of weird outdated laws on the books...but I don't think what Pheenix is saying is weird. The government has rules and regulations pertaining to UFO's... how the military should conduct itself if a UFO or flying saucer should appear.
Now, what was that about fish riding bicycles?
Now, what was that about fish riding bicycles?
Pheenix...I have read some material where the government has said that they want people to report these MIB because 'they' don't know who the men in black are. The government is interested and would like to investigate.
Then again you hear reports where you are sure the government is in on a particular incident.
The government is interested and would like to investigate. Then again you hear reports where you are sure the government is in on a particular incident.
HERE'S a link to one of the first threads regarding the MIB on the forum. In it I post about the origin of the 'men in black' phenomena, which turned out to be a tale fabricated out of whole cloth by Albert Bender in the 1950's. Towards the bottom of the page is an updated article that delves even futher into the 'myth', any and all stories that involve mysterious men in black are just people's over active imaginations, paranoia, or out right lies.
Thanks Magikman...that's very interesting, some of the talk has been the same on this thread. Didn't know there was another thread on the subject.
Belive it or not there are Men In Black out there. They have showed up at all major Sightings, (especaily by the US Military) And have been at most of the Crashes.
Now who are they?
~Thanato
Now who are they?
~Thanato
I guess this topic is quite much talked about, esp. in the "Conspiracies and secret societies" section. As for answer to "Who are they?", first someone should ask if "They" exist. Isn't it funny that there are so many photos/videos about UFOs for example, while there is NONE (as far as I recall) about MIB? And if "They" exist, then I see as the most plausible explanation "them" being goverment agents adding impact to the "UFO" atmosphere that covered the states in the '60s and 70s.
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| I guess this topic is quite much talked about, esp. in the "Conspiracies and secret societies" section. |
Which is...the section we're right now.
I wondered who moved the messages. Could it be...THEM? OH NO! THEY'RE ON US!
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