Canadian Rottweiler
Mar 8 2005, 07:12 PM
QUOTE(Walken @ Mar 8 2005, 11:03 AM)
lol, yeah.
Saying that, when my cats play fight, they always scratch and bite around the necks. Maybe it's because thats not how they hunt that they do that.
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She meant body by something like a Jaguar tearing off a leg,or biting into the stomach and savagely ripping it apart.
Seraphina
Mar 8 2005, 07:23 PM
I don't think jaguars bite at all to kill - they kill with a single punch like action to the body...generally the rib cage. The probably use their teeth to hold the animal in place, but it's the punch that does the damage.
Other wounds, such as claw marks, have been found on dead livestock...anyway, the point was that there's no evidence whatsoever that it's the work of dogs. All the evidence points to big cats
Canadian Rottweiler
Mar 8 2005, 07:24 PM
QUOTE(Walken @ Mar 8 2005, 11:12 AM)
Oh...so confuseing.
You'd think jaguars did the same. you learn something new evreyday, I guess.
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Yea,they all have different hunting habits in one way or another.
Walken
Mar 8 2005, 07:28 PM
Uh-huh. It just seems strange though.
CR, can you tell me a bit more about how per-rarn-uh's hunt. And how to spell that why you're there, lol.
Just an intrest of mine.
Canadian Rottweiler
Mar 8 2005, 07:29 PM
QUOTE(Seraphina @ Mar 8 2005, 11:23 AM)
I don't think jaguars bite at all to kill - they kill with a single punch like action to the body...generally the rib cage. The probably use their teeth to hold the animal in place, but it's the punch that does the damage.
Other wounds, such as claw marks, have been found on dead livestock...anyway, the point was that there's no evidence whatsoever that it's the work of dogs. All the evidence points to big cats

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Why are we still discussing this.Everybody agrees these are illegally smuggled cats,which they are.So case closed!
Canadian Rottweiler
Mar 8 2005, 07:31 PM
QUOTE(Walken @ Mar 8 2005, 11:28 AM)
Uh-huh. It just seems strange though.
CR, can you tell me a bit more about how per-rarn-uh's hunt. And how to spell that why you're there, lol.
Just an intrest of mine.
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Ok,it's Pirahna,i like em too.They hunt in packs,each fish takes 1 bite out of the prey,normally 1 bite of meat is enough of a meal.They never miss,and they always get a rounded chunk.The prey eventually dies of blood loss,then a crocodile, or anaconda etc. will come and eat the rest.
Walken
Mar 8 2005, 07:31 PM
Well, it's still an intresting topic which is inspireing further discussion to similar topics. In fact, now we're talking about hunting habits. If its worthwhile, it should stay open, I say.
Walken
Mar 8 2005, 07:32 PM
Are the urban legends true? Like that they strip cows of all but the bones, for example?
Sorry, but when you get a species like pirahana, your bound to get some good stories, even if they're not all true.
Seraphina
Mar 8 2005, 07:35 PM
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Why are we still discussing this.Everybody agrees these are illegally smuggled cats,which they are.So case closed!
Because I brought up the autopsies when someone said that a couple of redneck hunters said it was the work of dogs
Canadian Rottweiler
Mar 8 2005, 07:37 PM
QUOTE(Walken @ Mar 8 2005, 11:32 AM)
Are the urban legends true? Like that they strip cows of all but the bones, for example?
Sorry, but when you get a species like pirahana, your bound to get some good stories, even if they're not all true.
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Yea,we can keep this goin and discuss hunting habits. And yes,pirahnas's do that to animals.
Walken
Mar 8 2005, 07:39 PM
Hmmmm...
Thats kind of cool.
Do pirhanas fight eachother?
And what size groups are they usually in?
Canadian Rottweiler
Mar 8 2005, 07:42 PM
QUOTE(Walken @ Mar 8 2005, 11:39 AM)
Hmmmm...
Thats kind of cool.
Do pirhanas fight eachother?
And what size groups are they usually in?
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They get along quite well,and are very smart.They normally go in packs of 20-100+
Walken
Mar 8 2005, 08:08 PM
Yeah, I'd heard that they were very smart.
I've also heard they use sophisticated hunting tactics, although I'm not quite sure what to beleive in that deparement.
Mysteryman
Mar 8 2005, 09:21 PM
They do *wrestle* with each other, but not fighting viciously.
During mating times, one may fight another male to overcome the female resulting in offspring of the winning fathers sperm.
Panthera leo atrox
Mar 8 2005, 10:25 PM
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Jaguars, for example, don't kill by biting the neck. They instead deliver a single savage blow to the body.
Typically, jaguars kill large prey animals such as capybaras by biting into the head and crushing the skill. They have the most powerful jaw muscles of any cat, since they go after such tough targets as skulls and turtle shells.
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I watched a documentary about jaguars once...one of them killed a girraffe
A giraffe? Was is in captivity?
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Cheetah's and lions are the only big cats that suffocate their prey by biting the neck.
All big cats except the jaguar use a suffocating bite to the throat or clamp the mouth shut as their main method of killing.
Mysteryman
Mar 8 2005, 10:29 PM
QUOTE(Panthera leo atrox @ Mar 8 2005, 05:25 PM)
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Jaguars, for example, don't kill by biting the neck. They instead deliver a single savage blow to the body.
Typically, jaguars kill large prey animals such as capybaras by biting into the head and crushing the skill. They have the most powerful jaw muscles of any cat, since they go after such tough targets as skulls and turtle shells.
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Sounds interesting/delicious/good way to die (not!) - Jese!
Canadian Rottweiler
Mar 9 2005, 10:34 AM
QUOTE(Panthera leo atrox @ Mar 8 2005, 02:25 PM)
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Jaguars, for example, don't kill by biting the neck. They instead deliver a single savage blow to the body.
Typically, jaguars kill large prey animals such as capybaras by biting into the head and crushing the skill. They have the most powerful jaw muscles of any cat, since they go after such tough targets as skulls and turtle shells.
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I watched a documentary about jaguars once...one of them killed a girraffe
A giraffe? Was is in captivity?
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Cheetah's and lions are the only big cats that suffocate their prey by biting the neck.
All big cats except the jaguar use a suffocating bite to the throat or clamp the mouth shut as their main method of killing.
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Nope,all big cats (excpt jaguars) CAN use that to hunt,but it's not their main way,as it is with lions and cheetah's.
XSAS
Mar 9 2005, 10:56 AM
We know big cats are loose in the UK I don't feel they are an undiscovered species though, so I don't think there is any mystery in this discussion and feel it can be laid down to rest... anyone agree?
Mysteryman
Mar 9 2005, 09:42 PM
I agree in somewhat of a way. But this might not be the truth to it. Maybe these cats aren't from zoos or illegally and lost while being smuggled in. Maybe their just random cats small or large and are just a mystery of what their doing their. But of course, theirs a very, very high chance most of you are right in the way that their smuggled in and lost.
XSAS
Mar 9 2005, 10:18 PM
No one has ever to my knowledge brought up the snuggling of big cats to the UK... it is not common or even a trend... they were pets that were released after the keeping of wid animals laws changed in the 70's... I don't doubt for one minute that they have inter bred but where not talking about a crypto or undiscovered new species here.
Mysteryman
Mar 9 2005, 10:20 PM
So they just released all the kept-pets? Theirs a good reason. But also, like Panthera Leo Atrox - people told me that usually the case is that it could of been illegally smuggled in and on the way their, some were lost, etc.
Panthera leo atrox
Mar 9 2005, 10:40 PM
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Larger cats often hunt prey with a body size equal to, if not larger, than their own and here the nape bite is not always successful in dispatching the victim. In such circustances the throat bite is used. Here the cat will hold the struggling animal with it's paws whilst applying a bite to the victims throat. Unlike the neck bite, which despatches the victim quickly. the throat bite takes longer to kill prey. It is also debateable as to the exact cause of death and indeed this probably varies depending on the relative sizes of prey and predator. The most probable and common cause of death from the throat bite is that of suffocation, with the windpipe of the victim being crushed by the cats powerful jaws. Some also suggest that the lower parts of the skull may be damaged in the bite, thus affecting the victims central nervous system.
One further variation to the throat bite has been observed in the big cats such as the leopard. Here the cat locks it's jaws around the muzzle or mouth of the victim and holds it until the animal has suffocated.
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/agarman/bco/behind02.htm
Mysteryman
Mar 9 2005, 10:43 PM
Good find -
Anyone know the Las Vegas performers "Seigfreid & Roy" - Roy was bitten on the neck by his white lion during his performance. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
XSAS
Mar 9 2005, 10:49 PM
QUOTE(Mysteryman @ Mar 9 2005, 11:43 PM)
Good find -
Anyone know the Las Vegas performers "Seigfreid & Roy" - Roy was bitten on the neck by his white lion during his performance. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Yes I know what your talking about and I think it was his albino tiger not lion?
Panthera leo atrox
Mar 9 2005, 10:51 PM
It was a 7 (?) year old leucistic male bengal tiger.
Mysteryman
Mar 9 2005, 10:54 PM
Yeah you got it...I feel bad for Roy now. His face - and he can't even talk normal anymore. Sucks - and it was a trained tiger!?
Panthera leo atrox
Mar 9 2005, 11:09 PM
Yea, it was trained, but you can never guarantee that a wild animal will do what you want it to. People have been killed by big cats they raised from cubs.
XSAS
Mar 9 2005, 11:16 PM
QUOTE(Panthera leo atrox @ Mar 9 2005, 11:51 PM)
It was a 7 (?) year old leucistic male bengal tiger.
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Albino and leucistic are the same thing??? I think?
Mysteryman
Mar 10 2005, 12:51 AM
That sucks - What does leucistic mean?
Panthera leo atrox
Mar 10 2005, 12:55 AM
Albino means no pigment. Leucistic means some pigment. White tigers have stripes. Therefore they aren’t albino. Although it is by no means impossible, there has never been a true albino tiger or lion in captivity.
Mysteryman
Mar 10 2005, 12:57 AM
So its not albino, but luecistic? Strange - I couldn't find that word in the dictionary nor on the internet...Interesting -
Panthera leo atrox
Mar 10 2005, 01:57 AM
There's information on Google.
Mysteryman
Mar 10 2005, 03:43 AM
XSAS
Mar 10 2005, 08:20 AM
So what catagory does the Siberian Tiger come under??
Walken
Mar 10 2005, 03:43 PM
Tiger from siberia?
XSAS
Mar 10 2005, 05:41 PM
Very good Walken but I meant Albino and leucistic which is the Siberian catagory???
Mysteryman
Mar 10 2005, 08:35 PM
Siberian Tiger would be considered leucistic due to its black stripes which consists of pigment color so it is not fully albino, so therefore luecisitic (as learned by Panthera Leo Atrox, thanks)
droppo
Mar 10 2005, 09:04 PM
[attachmentid=12628] I think this is the "ABC" you were looking for in the UK...
Mysteryman
Mar 10 2005, 09:17 PM
Hah!, right! Lol.
Walken
Mar 10 2005, 09:19 PM
Lol, I love that show!
It's in the top 50 shows ever.
Back on topic, shall we...?
Mysteryman
Mar 10 2005, 09:38 PM
Heres what I've been looking for!
This guy made it to Ripley's Believe it Or Not & Guinness World Records for trying to look like a cat:

Walken
Mar 10 2005, 09:38 PM
Wow....now that guy looks like a cat....
And I spend nearly all my time with my cats!
Mysteryman
Mar 10 2005, 09:39 PM
Well he certainly achieved his goal -
Walken
Mar 10 2005, 09:40 PM
That top pic is actually kind of scary.
Walken
Mar 10 2005, 09:40 PM
That top pic is actually kind of scary.
Mysteryman
Mar 10 2005, 09:42 PM
Yeah it is - He had those plastic whiskers pierced and actually got his teeth cut and done!
Panthera leo atrox
Mar 10 2005, 11:19 PM
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So what catagory does the Siberian Tiger come under??
No leucistic siberian tigers have been found yet, but there are leucistic bengal/siberian hybrids.
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This guy made it to Ripley's Believe it Or Not & Guinness World Records for trying to look like a cat:
That guy's awesome! He's part Native American and his Native American name is "Stalking Cat", so he became obsessed with looking like a cat, in his case a tiger.
I bet you could seriously give someone a heart attack jumping out at them in the dark looking like that...
Mysteryman
Mar 10 2005, 11:23 PM
Imagine for Halloween, he went to houses and people would just think that it would be all make-up...but its real!!! hahah, corny joke I know - just ignore me. =)
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