And why did he?
Genesis 6:4(KJV)
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Yes we can be tempted, but ultimately its our choice...

Good question SP...
In heaven you will still have the free will you have now... But sin will no longer exsist..
Its like what if every car on earth was destroyed... You wouldn't be able to drive, you could still remember it, but you couldn't do it...
But part of forgivness is forgiving yourself... You have to be able t forgive yourself of what you have done... Learn from your mistakes but don't dwell on them... SO honestly, I don't think we will remember our past sins in heaven, simply because we wont care about them and we wont want to remember them....

LOL
I don't need to gang up with anyone to take you on zandore... j/j

Gods creation is subject to Gods justice... Thats just the way I see it...

Amen...


LBD

I asked god if he existed and I received no answer.

if u ask God if he exists, you already have your answer because ur asking God...
LBD makes a good point, God's creation is under God's justice, just like children under their parents rules.

Were you sincere?

Did you turn your back on him when you felt you were not answered?


LBD

Is there a God to answer?

well i guess we will all find out eventually wont we?

But do not be too disappointed.

so why do people have to argue and fight? i know im not a good example of not fighting and all that but why do we do it? if eventually we will all know what is the truth, why is there fighting? why do people have to prove christianity wrong if the truth will eventually be found?

LOG you have been doing a very good job of not fighting.I don't know.....Maybe for the same reasons that sometimes Christians (some) have to disprove Evolution.

I don't like fighting either, and I am always respectful of others beliefs, but I will stand by and defend my beliefs to the bitter end... But thats just me...

LBD

A sound statement and a good one in theory but how can you live the future without knowledge and accepttance of the past. Even if heaven is such a blissful place in order to awknowledge it, their most be some memory of past sins to experience such a high. Also want and need is different so their is a possibility that a person in heaven can commit sin, If free will exist.

Unless what LOG said is true.

He did not quote the bible directly but I have no reason to disagree if the bible writes of this he read, I read it long time ago. Do you agree with this statement that in the kingdom of God there is no evil to commit sin.

Yeah I do...
The things that tend to make alot of the bad things happen in life wont exist... Greed, lust, anger, need... (just to name a few) There will be no sin in general...

LBD

This almost makes me want to convert back to christianity.

But! I don't think so, if there is no knowledge of sin to commit in the kingdom of God then what sin could the fallen angels have done to be casted out of heaven? It contradict's LOG statement does it not?

Anger, Vengeance, Wrath, Jealousy are just some of the emotions that God has so these will also be in "Heaven" right beside love and.....

No...
He wont have anything to to be angry with...

LBD

But you your self said that you could not second guess God.

u see, the angels dont have free will... they dont have a choice... all except for lucifer, that is... after a while, lucifer began to think highly of himself, being the most beautiful angel, and he even thought himself greater than God, and, if im right, tried to overthrow God... he got banished from heaven for that, and thats where satan came in... in heaven, all sin, anger, lust, jealousy, they will all be gone, because satan, the cause of sin, will not be present... satan is the world, he has influenced the actions of the world happening right now, starting with putting hate in the terrorist heart, then 911, then the hate and anger our entire country felt. i felt that anger, but this war is a product of satan and his influence, the world, the chaos in the world, is all a product of satan, or lucifer.... now, someone mentioned the tsunami that happened and asked why it is that God allowed it to happen, well, look at what the tsunami brought... yea it brought death, and destruction, but it also brought out the love of one person to others... those people in the tsunami, the victims, helped complete strangers, saved others lives... so, yea, the tsunami was bad... but it also brought good.

These are emotions that according to the Bible God used to describe himself .

I can't second guess God, who said I am...

Hmm... I think they do... Lucifer wasn't the only angel to rebel...

LBD

ok, but WE will not have the feelings... WE wont have the need for sin... in this world sin is usually an emotion or act done or felt based on experience or events that happen, such as anger for a death of a family member, or sadness of a death of a friend... i know i had anger, and sadness, and bad thoughts when i experienced the first of the many deaths of my friends... its a hard feeling to get rid of... real hard, sometimes you dont want to go on with life, because you think that no matter what you do, it will end and u will be forgotten, sometimes you want to kill urself, ive tried, then i realized it is a VERY selfish thing... in heaven, we will be happy for eternity... we will never age, never get sick, never go through pain... happiness with no strings attached, no sin to cause pain, no sin to ruin perfect happiness.

How do you know he won't be angry about anything/something?

Haha... Trying to corner me in huh... j/j lol

Well I guess I can't honestly say then... But I don't see what could get him angry, when there will be a perfect peace... No sin...

LBD

I don't know what was that about LOG but can sombody answer this



The point I was making was knowledge of sin. If Lucifer had free will then there most be knowledege of of evil in heaven. To my understanding the body us in heaven, but the spirit is free to do whatever it want's whose to stop us from gaining the knowledge to commit sin in heaven!

Also I can't recall a moment in the bible were satan temted somebody? Can you point out one?

I see what your saying...
But the reason for a person to sin, and an angel to rebel are probably different...
In heaven we wont want to do things that are "sinful"... We'll be too busy being happy... Just what I think...

Sure, I can help you out with that...

Lucifer tempted Eve in the garden... He also tempted Jesus while he was in the desert for 40 days... There are two moments...

LBD

LBD, i agree with ur post, humans and angels, totally different, probably have different thoughts about rebelling... lucifer thought himself greater than God, which doesnt conflict with not having free will... he still worshipped God, he is an angel, but he thought himself greater until it was too much, then he rebelled... then he was cast to the lake of fire...
no sin in heaven, only happiness, PURE unpolluted happiness....

How would it be different free will is free will, if heaven is so blissful then why Lucifer was not happy and we will. How can happiness occupy us for so long won't boredom kick in.



Lucifer never tempted Eve it was a cunning snake it never said Lucifer or Satan, it only said snake and it's punishment was to walk on its belly. Propaganda against the Cannites who worshipped a snake animalia God like the Egyptians. But Jesus, yes I remember now the bible does write of this.

pretty sure that lucifer was the snake, think about it.... lucifer referred to as a dragon, a serpent, and a snake happens to be the one to tempt eve, i think it all comes together...

But still it does not say Satan or Lucifer, are you not the who say take the bible literally don't interpret, so it was just a snake in the book of Genesis.

Please read comletely before commenting please...

It's simply the way it works...It would happen with any creature with opposable thumbs and able to think logically...Give a Lion an opposable thumb and a logical train of thought, and they would "sin" if you will. Nature is automatically both good and bad. In order for the lion to survive, they must kill. Add to this, Logic and a usable thumb, and they would kill each other...

Example...Please don't rip this apart...it's simply an example...
Cavemen lived in a time when the only violence was thrashing about at an enemy and making noises. The louder and more aggressive ones usually won, and the loser would leave (much like apes). One day, Caveman, during this competition for land or food, picks up a rock and bashes the intruder in the head, and kills him...Something sparks in his head, "wow, me think he dead!? Wait, if he's dead, he can't come back again. He can't ever try to take my things again." = LOGIC

Therefore, I won't say everytime, but most of the time, the intruders were killed to prevent them from coming back. This is simply nature at work. Animals to the SAME THING. YES animals kill their own kind. They simply do not do it malevolently like we do sometimes. Add to them the ability to think creatively and they too will kill malevolently.

Murder and "SIN" is a byproduct of logical thought. Some minds can handle the thoughts, some can't, and thus murder and/or crime(s) occurs. This is just an example of "SIN". It was simply incorporated into a book to try and persuade man to "not kill each other". Which makes perfect sense. It is a GOOD RULE.

I am in no way saying that "God" doesn't exsist at all. I believe he's out there, somewhere. However he is not the "God" that is written in some book. What good in an "Experiment" if the subjects of the project know they are being tested?? And I garantee you, "God" is either disappointed with us, or is just laughing at how "ignorant" we are.

SOME QUESTIONS JUST SHOULDN'T BE ANSWERED (PERIOD)

These are just my humble opinions guys. Be gentle

Thanks

ur right, it doenst say that it was satan, nor lucifer, so i guess the snake just tricked them for no reason... now about lucifer, he was not going against not having free will, he was just holding himself in higher regards than anything, including God, when he thought himself better than God, im sorry, he didnt revolt, he thought himself greater than God, and God threw him out of heavan.
see, we will not get bored, because boredom is a human emotion, our emotions, our existence is going to be on another level when we die... our soul will be released, our spirit, and we will be forever living in the glory of God, heaven will never be boring, anyway, its endless and infinite.

LordBailey thanks for your post but I'm just going by what the bible say and questioning it, not science and development of philosophical thought on morality.



LOG

Boredom, if this emotion is not felt in heaven because it is bodily and not spiritual.

Happiness is an emotion so if we are elevated from the body, then a bodily emotion of happiness does not exist in heaven, then so if it is not eternal bliss in heaven, what is it then?

i dunno, havent gotten there yet, jk.... anyway, maybe the eternal bliss is not aging, not getting sick, not experiencing sadness... who knows.. i only said bordness is a bodily emotion because thats what i believe.. you get bored in the mind, u get happy in ur heart... happiness comes from, in my opinion, a totally different place than lets say boredness.... just a thought

Not a good thought. To comprehend this emotion you need your brain, the natural endorphins released when happiness is interpreted in the mind often increase the heart beat making it feel like it comes from the heart.

obviously heaven on the terms of the bible can't be discussed logically not enough information it's just an dead end conversation, so forget it.

good idea..

Mine would be why was I born? My birthmom tryed to abort me ..so that would be my question..

i would give him a great hug and i won't ask anything...............just thank him for making me experience how life is to be treasured............though sometimes pressures are really side by side!

the reason .why you existed is that HE has terrific plans for you.......and i am glad that you are here!

Wow!! Thanks thats nice!!

You were meant to live.

i would ask god am i going with you when i died or with you know who .
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no prob girl! we are meant to live a life of purpose

i think you can be pretty sure abt that.....it's the so called faith if you have accepted Christ then no doubt we can share a banquet in heaven.......

I would ask this:
Can Trent come to?






(i know it duszn't make sence,but i'd really rather not get into it)

I would ask him if he would leave since even the thought of his existance has caused more problems on this planet than he is worth.

(hypothetically speaking, since I don't believe there is a god that exists outside of the mind of man)

Sorry bud we bring up our own problems, God didn't cause any problems but we brought it uppon ourselves.

indeed we did create the problems
problems like:
using a "higher being" to inflate the egos of its worshippers, placing human life above all other
using a :higher being" to justify any act
using a "higher being" to absolve oneself of individual responsibility

just to name a few.

I am not to answer your question. But, Lostchild1962, I believe that is because God loves you. However, even God does not force us to do good. We must choose the good for others.

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Yes we do And its religious people that think that their way is the only one way to god, or only one truth, and that they are holier than thou that causes them problems.

All the best
Faeden

those who are, lets say christians, and they think highly of themselves, they are not being humble... i know i mess up and probably do that, and i know that i do make it sound like you need religion to get to God... that is not true at all... u need only faith in God, and u only need to ask God to come into your heart and save you... thats all... u dont need to be known as a christian or muslim or whatever... religion is made by man, the denominations are made by man, the truth, the information, the commandments, the facts that religion is based on, that is made by God... so religion is not needed... but if i had a question for God, i probably wouldnt ask Him anything, id thank Him for sending Jesus, and i would think Him for putting all the bad experiences and sadness and temptation in my life i have experienced, because im a stronger person and i have a very strong faith.