heels turn face usually are cool

even tho master roshi was a bit of a perv, hes a character.
(early in the draagonball series, woz he the strongest character on earth? )

No, Kami and Mr. PoPo were stronger. So was Piccolo Snr. Tao PiPi, General Blue, Andiord 8 etc were also stronger.

Basically anyone who could stand any length of time against Goku after the Tournment Saga was stronger than Roshi, as Goku only surpassed Roshi after the end of that saga.

I just realised this thread exsisted.

And it is here I will announce my love for Majin Bu in his first form.

Vegeta is also very cool.

They're my characters of choice in the game.

To comment on an old post I have to say, Gohan may or may not have been out classed, I admit he was losing to Buu after Buu absorbed Gotenks but he wasnt completely down for the count usally when a z fighter is down their clothes are in shreds and they are all busted open. If you watch the episode, when Goku arives just before Buu have to sneak up on Gohan to absorb him. Gohan is still standing and he don't seem to be to hurt either, not to mention he could have went ssj and got even stronger as the z fighters usually do after all fails in normal form. The kais may have waken a hidden power turning Gohan into "mystic Gohan" by training him and meditating, but usually after hard training a sayjin still can become ssj and get even stronger than their awaken form. I doubt turning ssj would have weaken him.

Goku in ssj3 just could stand up to Buu. Compared to how Gohan was holding up in "mystic" form, going ssj would have been much stronger than Goku ssj3.
( "mystic" gohan was just about the same as vegeta ssj. no?)

Oh, I also love Android 18.

DBGT... i hated the guts out of this show, but after watching like 3 episodes i got hooked ! its got a great plot and stuff, but i dont like the fact that every enemy they face until the final episode kept becoming more spikier and stronger... .

I hear secret pleasure

Android 18 wa the best.

gogeta and veggito were interesting combos.....

The ending of GT was pretty lame. I think it would have been better if they were still established families that knew eachother...

majority of fans agree that gt was crap and not fit to stand in the same light as dragonballz....

Hmmm super sajian 4 was quite funny though...

there was supposedly SS5-8 and pics as well (final SS8, gokus hair turns white)
but all proved to be rumours
including SS pan
and SS Raditz

Interesting, I am guessing Pan never turns SS because she is female...?

she doesnt cause only pure saiyains do.
she is half human/sayain descent

Oh because she is 3rd generation.

Gohan, Trunks and Goten aren't pure saiyans


I actually remembr Toryama saying in an interview Pan and Bra couldn't turn SS because only males could. No idea why.

yea sorry forget
sexist me thinks.....

Probably, although DBGT itself was pretty poor, and the English dub was awful.

i think he made DBGT as a moneyspinnner to betta appeal to the american market.....

He didn't make DBGT, he wanted to end it after Buu. It was Toei Animation who wanted to continue and made DBGT. Akira did some character designs and rough plots, but it was Toei Animation who made most of DBGT, Toriyama was essentially absent.

Thats probably why it sucked. The genius behind it was gone.

yea true

I love DB / Z but hate GT on levels unheard of! Animation, Dub, and Wording is bad in both the Japanese and American, It's like Naruto is going to be, except the Japanese voices are good for Naruto but they wont be for the american version...

Broly of Movies 8, 10, and 11 is my favorite character but 11 is just PITIFUL!

I think KoRn's music would go well with all three though and anything with a dark setting in general but I would love to hear it in #8

Rage Against the Machine would have been great for Broly 10 and 11, aswell as Cell Saga..

I liked DGBT's Animation, but the dub was terrible

70-90% of the animation was pure crap! It was like Dragonball (the original)

It was better than that Although not as good as the movies

Starting at Movie #8 the animation went up dramaticly. 8-12 were all better than any of the series graphicly... Personally I like the movies best anyway!

12 was visually stunning.

13 wasn't bas either.

sayian transformations in DBGT for most fans was a litlle unrealistic, i think

13 was better than 12 in my opinion visually I just forgot to mention it.

I haven't really seen any of the dbz films, only one that was on channel 903 the other day about someone who looked like frieza's brother...

He probably was Frieza's brother

I have all the movies, 1-10 from the US, the rest DLed off Kazaa. Except the Lost Movie were all the villians come back at once, I haven't got that.

So, who is the legenenday super sajin? Brolly or Goku?

Broli

How come goku can go super sajin 4 and beat him then?

Goku didn't go SS4 until decades later

You think broli could have done, in time?

his power level neva surpassed SS2
so i doubt it.

thats pretty odd considering he seems to beatt the crapp out of everyone soo easily which would suggest he has the ability to turn into ss3 ... or even 4.. there is such exageration of Broli's power in movie 8 and 10.. its like he has the same abilities as ss4 but doesnt change in appearence..

Just because he could beat up the SS1's doesn't mean he could go SS3 or SS4 though. The Androids for example could destory SS1's too but wouldn't have lasted 2 seconds against an SS2 let alone 3 or 4 (until Super 17 appeared that is)

i thought the animation for him was quite cool....

DBGT was well animated, although a lot of the character designs for the minor and supporting characters sucked.

^Yeah I noticed that, it really bugged me considering how well the could animate the other main characters.

I was really disappointed with the dragon designs. Li Shenron was cool, but the rest were pathetic for what were to be the last villians of the show.

Other than Bittorent sites, does anyone know good sites for downloading DB/DBZ/DBGT eps ? www.saiyan-city.com use to be good until it shut down and reappeared again ..

I think Kazaa and other p2p programs are about it, most other sites (especially torents) wont do them because they're licensed

My favourite anime torent site is http://www.animesuki.com, but it also wont do Dragon Ball because of the licensing issue.

Hercule used to annoy me so much, I really disliked that plot line.

I thought he was quite funnt actually, I just got sick on him getting more air time than Goku during parts of the series.

officially, was gogeta the strongest character eva?

I don't know, he wasn't ss4...

Gohan was a big flop later on...