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Thylacina
I have a ghost in my house that I've known about since I was about ten, I believe it's the ghost of a little girl wearing 70's style clothes (I know this much because I had a dream about her when I was 13). I first encountered her in the living room when she pulled on my t-shirt. After that she shook my bed and woke me up in the middle of the night a few weeks later. Then as time went on I noticed that some things in my room had been moved, mostly the toy horses I keep on my bookshelf.

About a year ago I had a strong feeling that something was buried in our backyard. I felt a strong pull towards a tree my mother planted near the back fence. I went there and I was about three feet from the tree when the feeling stopped. Now for the last few days I've been feeling as though there's something about the house that isn't right and that the little girl is trying to tell me something. What should I do?
Tia
You could always look up the history of the house or talk to any long term neighbours, see if a little girl ever did live there.

It sounds like you believe the girl may be buried there, what about missing persons lists?
vulturetotem
Light a white candle and say a little prayer, ask her to go
into the light, works for me...
Fable
I agree with delving into the history of the house and surrounding area. It certainly can be the more accurate and relieving way of sorts to clear things up. At least then you wouldn't be in the dark about the feelings you have.
Mervyn
Have you tried digging in that spot ? ?
Hoagy
yeah, sounds to me like she wants you to dig up her bones...

better be ready to call in the police if you find anything tho...
Fable
It doesn't necessarily have to be skeletal remains. It could possibly be a memento that was close to the 'entity' or maybe something that could have been used in a murder. Sure I'm drawing quick conclusions, but if something happened that was foul play in the past, anything substantial could add up fast.
Shivel
Okay. Heres whats i say you should do:

1. Write a question on a peice of paper, leave the pencil on the pad and see if anything happens (if the ghost is as active as you describe then it should have no problem writing on the paper). You could also try a voice recorder and ask it questions and what not.

2. Set up a video camera/web cam in the place where the ghost would most likely be seen.

3. Check out that tree of yours..Either dig a hole or stick a long pole in the spot that the ghost brought you to (the pole will help determine if theres anything besides dirt in that spot and it wouldnt make a mess)

Hope that helps at all.

ForRizzle
How about a Weegee board?
Elvis
QUOTE(ForRizzle @ Mar 8 2005, 07:30 PM)
How about a Weegee board?
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I believe you mean a "Ouija" board wacko.gif

Noobs today, eh? hmm.gif tongue.gif
MJB222
I heard rattlesnakes can actually see ghosts.

Anyways if the ghost tries to communicate, just ask her.
typical skeleton
I strongly advise against using an Ouija board. If you believe there is an entity, then you may also believe there could be non-human entities.

It's this type of entity that can be dangerous, and will be drawn to the use of the Ouija board. Not to mention that your "spiritual guard" may be down when you do use the board because you are attempting to contact a spirit, thus leaving yourself open to many things.

Don't use a board, just my advice.
gazerbeams
I'm gonna assume that you still live with your parents, in which case you shouldn't go around digging up the backyard (not that it wouldn't be interesting to see what you found, but I doubt your parents would be too impressed coming home to find you ruining their lawn.) Instead, I'm gonna say that investigating into the history of the house would probably be the best option. If your library has an archive of old newspapers on display, you can check for articles pertaining to your home. As well, theres a good chance that any info on a missing child is available to the public (even someone who went missing in the 70s.) Use your imagination when looking into your homes history -- the answers are generally in the weirdest place you think to look. Either that, or they'll somewhere glaringly obvious, take your pick.
Bio-Mage
Oh dear...a hippy ghost...sounds terrible tongue.gif

Anyways I think you got some good advise already here. Find as much as you can about the house, occupants, neighbours, local news and similar incidents as you can. I would definetely try the digging too. My suggestion to you is to get someone to do this with. Safety in numbers and saves you from spooking yourself from all the tension. thumbsup.gif
Thylacina
QUOTE(typical skeleton @ Mar 9 2005, 01:38 AM)
I strongly advise against using an Ouija board.  If you believe there is an entity, then you may also believe there could be non-human entities.

It's this type of entity that can be dangerous, and will be drawn to the use of the Ouija board.  Not to mention that your "spiritual guard" may be down when you do use the board because you are attempting to contact a spirit, thus leaving yourself open to many things.

Don't use a board, just my advice.
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I wouldn't dare. Those things are dangerous and I've heard too many scary stories to go anywhere near them. I don't even think they're sold here.
Thylacina
QUOTE(Fable @ Mar 8 2005, 07:05 PM)
It doesn't necessarily have to be skeletal remains. It could possibly be a memento that was close to the 'entity' or maybe something that could have been used in a murder. Sure I'm drawing quick conclusions, but if something happened that was foul play in the past, anything substantial could add up fast.
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I think its a memento of some kind. All I can tell about whatever's buried is that its a black box and its about three feet down. I'd dig up that area if I could but my parents would skin me alive if I did.
scipherel
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All I can tell about whatever's buried is that its a black box

You better tell us your complete story because they are all trying to guess it.
absinthegreen329
You should find a way to ask about digging up the back yard. Say something like, "Hey mom and dad ::bat eyelashes:: I have a project I need to do, can I dig a teensy, eensy, weensy hole in back yard? Please?" Now, Before I get flamed, this is not lying, technically this is a project that she wants to do, so there is no lying involved.

When it comes to the ghost in your room, I would be scared, but I wouldn't use a Ouija board. Even though I don't think that they work, you couldn't pay me to use one of those, just on the off chance that it may work.
Thylacina
QUOTE(absinthegreen329 @ Mar 11 2005, 10:45 AM)

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Oddly, I'm not afraid of having a ghost in my room. Usually I get spooked very easily, but this spirit or entity or whatever it is doesn't frighten me. I guess its because she doesn't hurl things around or make scary noises. She's just a little girl after all.
Thylacina
QUOTE(scipherel @ Mar 11 2005, 07:34 AM)
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All I can tell about whatever's buried is that its a black box

You better tell us your complete story because they are all trying to guess it.
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Alright, I didn't mention this before because I didn't think it was overly important. I have a mild psychic ability, and a lot of the time my 'premonitions' occur when I'm asleep, but sometimes they occur when I'm awake. I had a vision the same day I felt the pull towards the tree. I saw a small black box or case buried three feet down. That's the only reason I know those details.
scipherel
Anything more to add ?
Why is your parents gonna skin you alive if you dig that black box ?
Be careful when digging 3 feet down, you might hit a gas pipe. It's illegal to dig
in Australian law.
flamethrower
i say STAY AWAY. you'll be just putting yourself in deep.

it'll probably still bother you till you fulfill it's demands. that's just it, it's using you.

okay, i know you all are going to yell at me or something, but truthfully, i think all ghosts/spirits are evil.


if it was me... i'd be messing around and see what it wants.
Shivel
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I wouldn't dare. Those things are dangerous and I've heard too many scary stories to go anywhere near them. I don't even think they're sold here.


Thylacina, you shouldnt be afraid to use a oujia board. There is absolutely nothing scary or paranormal about them whatsoever; I got mine at Toys R Us for cripe sake.. I suggest that you try it out for yourself to see just how not dangerous it really is. If you cant buy one then you can make your own very easily.
sub_x0ne
QUOTE(JayMan895 @ Mar 12 2005, 07:58 PM)
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I wouldn't dare. Those things are dangerous and I've heard too many scary stories to go anywhere near them. I don't even think they're sold here.


Thylacina, you shouldnt be afraid to use a oujia board. There is absolutely nothing scary or paranormal about them whatsoever; I got mine at Toys R Us for cripe sake.. I suggest that you try it out for yourself to see just how not dangerous it really is. If you cant buy one then you can make your own very easily.
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I'm not sure that's the truth. I myself haven't seen anything happen but my sister had books flying around her room after she used one and someone else I knew asked it to do something and it flung things. I don't know wether to believe this or not.
ROGER
This may not be helpful, but I worked for a while putting Grave Markers in cemeterys when I was younger. The guy I worked with would use two divining rods to find the location of unmarked or forgotten grave sites. It never worked for me, but he was right all most all the time. Just get a couple of bent, heavy gauge wires and have a go at it. Couldn't hurt if nothing happens.
scipherel
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I suggest that you try it out for yourself to see just how not dangerous it really is.

And if something bad happen, do you hold responsibility ?
Thylacina
QUOTE(scipherel @ Mar 13 2005, 07:48 AM)
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I suggest that you try it out for yourself to see just how not dangerous it really is.

And if something bad happen, do you hold responsibility ?
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I'd rather not risk it. no.gif
Thylacina
QUOTE(ROGER @ Mar 13 2005, 07:33 AM)
This may not be helpful, but I worked for a while putting Grave Markers in cemeterys when I was younger. The guy I worked with would use two divining rods to find the location of unmarked or forgotten grave sites. It never worked for me, but he was right all most all the time. Just get a couple of bent, heavy gauge wires and have a go at it. Couldn't hurt if nothing happens.
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Okay, I'll try it. Can you get gauge wires at a hardware store?
Rose Red

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I wouldn't dare. Those things are dangerous and I've heard too many scary stories to go anywhere near them. I don't even think they're sold here.
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No kidding! I even personaly know someone who almost died. unsure.gif
absinthegreen329
QUOTE(Rose Red @ Mar 25 2005, 06:43 PM)

No kidding! I even personaly know someone who almost died. unsure.gif
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Do tell...
Lostchild1962
I would look up the history first as well..sounds interesting tho..
silentxxxpoet
idk...you need to help..iguess...but its chancy...and actually in seria and italy way back...people lived off "weeges..." and little serian girls and boys played with them...some went off and the room or tent they were in..they were gone..no traves...but the UNFLIPED weegee board...so what do u think it spelt......



i think there is something round my house...i feel im always being watched ...specially when im sleeping...

my grandmother died in my room...and her bed was at my feet...and lately..my 100degree water bed has been cold down there
Nipheliem
Well if she is trying to contact you, that is actually great. Ur important to her and I'm glad ur getting help.

If you do the ouija board, don't use the actualy board and heart. The best way is to use a crystal on a thread and make a ouija board on paper how ever make it a semi circle and then on the bottom have goodbye and goodevening. now hold the pendulum in the middle of the page and ask questions. The pedulum should swing to the letters for you. And then after talk to her, see if she can help point the direction of where she is buried. You should actually play this outside or even in your own room.

take pictures of the back yard. if she really is looking for help she might just give u a clue in ur pictures. If not, don't give up yet. Just because you don't have picture proof doesn't mean that ur prediction isn't right.

You can also use automatic writing or even get a friend to learn hypnosis. or do a seance!

there is so much you can do. You can use metal rods to communicate (rods you also look for water with)

But if u want to video tape, or record, try doing it around 3 AM. If not, do it whenever you want to.

I would type more but my leg is falling asleep lol

Good luck
aRainbowTurned2Stone
QUOTE(Thylacina @ Mar 8 2005, 07:37 AM) [snapback]515890[/snapback]

I have a ghost in my house that I've known about since I was about ten, I believe it's the ghost of a little girl wearing 70's style clothes (I know this much because I had a dream about her when I was 13). I first encountered her in the living room when she pulled on my t-shirt. After that she shook my bed and woke me up in the middle of the night a few weeks later. Then as time went on I noticed that some things in my room had been moved, mostly the toy horses I keep on my bookshelf.

About a year ago I had a strong feeling that something was buried in our backyard. I felt a strong pull towards a tree my mother planted near the back fence. I went there and I was about three feet from the tree when the feeling stopped. Now for the last few days I've been feeling as though there's something about the house that isn't right and that the little girl is trying to tell me something. What should I do?


I don't know why I'm replying to a 2-month-old post, but what the heck. It's not like I have anything better to do at the moment.

The girl is probably a trapped entity in your home and the odd feeling you had out in your back yard is probably something that the girl buried there, not the bones of the girl herself. Chances are, if you get out a metal detector, you might find a small box or some other container with a buried pet or some favorite keepsakes belonging to the girl. Whatever it is, it seems to be important to her and she can't move on until it's found. I doubt very seriously that if bones turn up that it be anything more than a beloved family pet like a dog or a cat. Kids often bury their pets on the property in which they live. Maybe something bad happened to the pet? I don't know, just sort of doing some stream-of-consciousness thinking here.

That's my .02
thenightspider
Well she obviously contacted you for something original.gif
If it was me though i'd have a dig around and try and contact her......I do agree not to use a ouija board or anything like that....I think wait for her to contact you again and see what happens that time. Try to get to know her......but not too much. You might be able to help her out by watching and listening. Try not to be scared.....maybe you should post back???
najaesouljah
It's interesting that you have ahd this feeling for awhile. I also think you should look into your houses history. If you go around just digging things up you might not like what you find
ourworldsbeyond
QUOTE(Thylacina @ Mar 11 2005, 08:12 AM) [snapback]520616[/snapback]

I wouldn't dare. Those things are dangerous and I've heard too many scary stories to go anywhere near them. I don't even think they're sold here.




Hello Thylacina! ;-)

Ouija Boards are sold everywhere...

I wouldn't hold ANY store in what you *hear*. Gossip/fear-mongers are always wrong. I have been using my board for over 25 years and I can tell you, with *absolute assurity* that neither demons, Satan or even hell *actually* exist. The only real danger there is or ever was are the things that we create in our OWN minds just as you are doing so right now. Otherwise, NONE of them exist at all.

What you are reading here did not come out of a book or was stolen from somebody else or is based upon hand-me-down nonsense. It also has *nothing* to do with my 'belief' system either but has been gleaned and learned from *actual* and *proper* experience for a long time Ok?

NONE of them are at all true and the 'stories' that you've heard have all been concocted through lack of proper education concerning this form of communication and ignorance of the *actual* 'what is'.

It has always been that people will always fill in the gaps.

Without *proper* education and, being faced with something that people don't really understand (but often only 'think' they do) people will then make the rest up right there and then. In being a generally negative and dramatic species, we ALL tend to blow out of all proportion *anything* that frightens us. We draw dramatic pictures to embellish that fear so that others may 'feel' our forebearance. Over time, this fear is doubled - then spread around to all and sundry - and imprinted in our memories to then become a 'fact'. In truth, it was always a long way from it. (Such as 'the glass threw itself across the room" - No it DIDN'T! "A demon attacked me!" - No it DIDN'T - "I was possessed!" - No You were NOT!).

The Ouija Board is only a telephone to another world of existence and it is our lack of understanding and *proper* knowledge concerning this other world that we have now embellished and imprinted so many lies upon it that it's going to be very difficult indeed to get rid of it.

Not a single one of those lies are at all true. In TRUTH - there are NO doors, NO demons, NO 'Satan', NO 'dark entities going for your throat' - NO entity to kill or harm you. And I would KNOW because I have spoken to thousands over those years and so, know exactly what is there. What is there are NOT the 'things' anyone 'believes' them to be but are 'people' who can ALL be handled very easily indeed.

And so, *never* 'believe' hand-me-down GOSSIP or the tripe that we have all been force fed with. Take a deep breath. Look for yourself and you too will see, feel and hear, with your own senses that, every word I have just said is absolutely true and is completely verifiable by anyone and everyone willing to LOOK too.

I have and I am still here. So will you be too. You'll see.

Meantime, all the advice given above was both excellent and helpful. However, apart from what was said, I would also suggest that you find your local Spiritist church and ask them if they can send someone round to help you with this. I believe that this little girl needs help and so, she should get it at the earliest opportunity. All the physical stuff will still be there when she's gone but, it should be her first and your research second Ok?

But, whilst you're doing all of this yet, just bear in mind that, at no time did this little girl show you any sign that she meant any ill intent towards you. And so, you have nothing to worry about. And, by the way, it could also be that, it's not so much bones you're looking for but maybe an old Teddy or doll that she lost and couldn't find. It could easily be something as mundane as this Ok? Obviously, it will be rotted away by now. But, evenso, if you *tell* her that her Teddy is still there then she will 'see' it and take it home. But, whatever happens, do get that professional psychic around wont you (from the church)? It's time she wasn't there the poor thing. It shouldn't cost you anything more than perhaps a small donation in the church box.

I Thank You For Your Time

Bob Daulby ;-)
LatinGuyNY
She just doesn’t know that she is dead if this is the entity that is there of a little girl. Ask your Sprit Guide to help her go into the light. We all have Spirit Guides and they are always with us. She is confused and when she died she didn’t know that she was supposed to go into the light and stayed earthbound. There might be other entities there with her you are unaware of that might be keeping her there as well. You can hire a local medium if you don’t know how to do it.
Lady_Anvilabeel
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Meantime, all the advice given above was both excellent and helpful. However, apart from what was said, I would also suggest that you find your local Spiritist church and ask them if they can send someone round to help you with this. I believe that this little girl needs help and so, she should get it at the earliest opportunity. All the physical stuff will still be there when she's gone but, it should be her first and your research second Ok?



Good one, Nicely put Bob original.gif
Wookie McFly
Thylacina:

Your initial thoughts on ouija boards are correct. Aside from Bob's assertion that demons, Satan, and hell do not exist (which directly conflicts with about 4000 years of written history and experiences, including a good portion of people on this site), demons most certainly do exist. They may not be in the classic Judeo-Christian form, but they exist. You may not believe in the Devil, but he believes in you.

As members have said in reply to your posting, ouija boards are seriously bad news in the wrong situations. I'm not saying all the time, but enough of the time for it to be more risk than gain. Just don't do it.

As far as the girl and the box in the yard go, I would get someone (or more) people involved. It's usually not best to go into unknown situations alone. While there doesn't sound like much of a risk in your particular case, better safe than sorry.

As previous posts have said, first action is research. Always always research a place and its inhabitants before you start a physical investigation.

I would also talk to your parents, fill them in on some or all of the story. It's their house too and they should have knowledge of the situation in case some stuff is rousted when you dig. There are many instances where digging and disturbing of houses/grounds excites far more activity than first thought. (I'm not trying to scare you, but I would be remiss if I didn't mention it).

Then I would dig. Depending on what you find, whether its the box (and what's in the box), a body, or something else, your actions following change. I have no idea with regard to the box, need to know what's in it first. If it's a body or a possible weapon, you need to call the police (no statute of limitations on murder).

But, most of all, I would try talking to the girl if you can. Sometimes spirits just need to know they're not alive to move on. Or, if there is a specific purpose to the contacts you've been getting, then she may be able to quide what to do. Pay very close attention to any dream, sighting, or conversation you have of/with the girl. The slightest thing may be the ultimate clue to solving the problem.

OR, you can just ignore it. I'm not sure of the ramifications of this, it really depends on the spirit and what she needs. Things may just go away or she may get more persistent. I'm not in the situation, so I don't know.

Regardless, keep us all posted and I hope things go well.

Marty
ourworldsbeyond
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Thylacina:

Your initial thoughts on ouija boards are correct. Aside from Bob's assertion that demons, Satan, and hell do not exist (which directly conflicts with about 4000 years of written history and experiences, including a good portion of people on this site), demons most certainly do exist. They may not be in the classic Judeo-Christian form, but they exist. You may not believe in the Devil, but he believes in you.

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RUBBISH!

There is an old saying Marty and it is this:

"If 50 trillion flies eat exrement then does that mean we ALL have to eat it?"

I feel that I am going to have to state this around about that many times - so then, one more time wont hurt will it? And so, with enormous respect to you and everyone else here, I am going to repeat again that...

NOTHING of what *I* say has anything at all to do with any *belief* system on my part and neither has it been plagiarised or copied from anywhere else but is *solely* based on actual and proper communication and interaction with the otherside both UP *and* DOWN.

I also want to repeat again that, although I have stated this yet, not for a moment do I expect anyone to 'believe' a word I say. However, when I do say this, what I DO expect is that, firstly, you do not take my word for it alone but that, you do as I did and DO IT for yourself and NOT allow yourself to be influenced by books, films, The Bible, your great aunt, your cousin second-removed or your greengrocer. As an intelligent person in your own right, I *expect* you to do as I did and swallow ALL your fears, doubts and whatever else needs to be swallowed so that YOU, with your *own* PROPER experience and your own actual communication between YOU and our worlds beyond so that, whatever *I* 'say' becomes your OWN truth and NOT mine. When you can do this and stop repeating all the tripe we have all been held back with for millenia then this *truth* will become OURS. When you and I can possess this same truth then, together, we can manifest a far better future for each of us that is lived in light and not in the darkness that you are repeating and *making* true.

Because something has been written about for twenty thousand years and is adhered to by countless millions - if it is based on an *original* lie than, even after many eons of arduous repetition - no matter who by - yet it is STILL a lie and NOT a truth.

I am not 'suggesting' that demons and satan do not exist. I am stating it as a cold, hard FACT and, a FACT that is utterly verifiable by *anyone* willing to look where I did - BELOW and right inside the very darkness you're afraid of. I am NOT afraid of that darkness. I actually LOOKED for myself and found nothing even resembling demons and Satan down there. What is more, IF he ever existed at all then, I am TELLING you that *I* would be after him and not him me. I am bigger than Satan and the really good part is, though you don't 'believe' it yet, so are YOU. We *ALL* are! It is this BELIEF that will kill you - not *Satan*. Make him real in *your* head and, of course, he is real - but only to you. Make him real in someone else's mind then you double that darkness within YOU and not the person you are influencing. This is because the original lie is yours and not theirs see?

I do not tell lies - not here - not anywhere. I tell it like it *actually* is and is NOT something concocted out of my mind - as all this tripe was many eons ago and way before Jesus too. If you don't like it, if it frightens you then, there's not a lot I can do about that - unless you ask me or you actually look for yourself. Although I can help you yet, I would much prefer that you looked for yourself. Then you will *know* and not 'believe' so much nonsense ever again - just as I don't. (In fact, I have very few 'beliefs' left myself. We really don't need them).

Science, technology and medicine move on all the time. Why can't the paranormal world try it's damndest to keep up too?

Like religion - it's become very very stale whereby, just like religion, it repeats itself over and over again. Each time we repeat it, we, as it is in religion, become *instilled* with the same tripe that was churned up way before any of us were born - just as you're doing now.

It's time to move on! It really is. Leave Satan and all that cxxp behind us and, for just this once, try and see what *could* lay ahead in a whole plethora of worlds beyond that many of us will never touch if we constantly 'debate' 'argue' 'believe' or repeat over and over again, all the *fabrications* that never once had even the remotest speck of truth in ANY of them.

Throw the *BOOKS* out. Stop hiding behind 'daddy' and HIS fears all the time. They're NOT your own. YOU haven't earned them - and neither did he. Get your board out and ASK THEM - those on the other side - *YOURSELF*!

Up until then, I don't care how many people in this forum or anywhere else for that matter, and I don't care what was written for how many years or whoever wrote it. I am *telling* you now that Satan does NOT exist - and neither do demons or 'fallen angels'. Utter tripe! (And I am writing this knowing full well that, over even your shoulder, someone not nice is reading this too thinking that I am up for grabs by those from the bottom. You know what? Let them try it. I am mere inches away from any of them and they don't bother me in the slightest. They wouldn't you either if you *really* knew what was going on instead of repeating this old fear that should have died donkey's years ago. It's not going to die while you're alive is it?).

When you can look for yourself, stare DOWN your own *instilled* fear - THEN you have an opinion that is entirely your own. Until then, all you are doing is repeating your grandma and not something totally your own - as I do. What I say are never *assumptions*. I speak as it really is and not what I *think* it to be. Do as I do and you too can do likewise - and grow WAY beyond whatever holds you back from advancements that are also yours and not mine alone.

Stop *talking* about it to then infuse others with your fear that isn't your own. DO IT and free yourself from all of this!


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As members have said in reply to your posting, ouija boards are seriously bad news in the wrong situations. I'm not saying all the time, but enough of the time for it to be more risk than gain. Just don't do it.

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And YOUR own - *personal* experience of the Ouija Board is...? From what *personal* experience do you base this *opinion* on pray tell?

Isn't it fascinating how so many people 'believe' their own 'beliefs' are more than enough to create reality? It isn't of course but, people 'believe' it anyway. I wonder why?

Meantime, until YOU have looked into your OWN darkness, you're in no position at all to challenge my advice in any way.

But, don't listen to me. Instead, practice it for yourself, learn, and you too will see this.


Bob Daulby




ourworldsbeyond
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She just doesn’t know that she is dead if this is the entity that is there of a little girl. Ask your Sprit Guide to help her go into the light. We all have Spirit Guides and they are always with us. She is confused and when she died she didn’t know that she was supposed to go into the light and stayed earthbound. There might be other entities there with her you are unaware of that might be keeping her there as well. You can hire a local medium if you don’t know how to do it.




Hello LatinGuyNY! ;-)

Thank God! A HUMAN BEING!

YES. YES. YES!

THANK YOU!

Bob Daulby
boorite
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled is convincing the world he doesn't exist." I'm not saying I believe in the Devil. But if he did exist, he might like to persuade people that he didn't. And he might succeed in persuading some. Then these people would go around swearing there's no such thing as the Devil. So the fact that someone shows up here doing exactly that is no evidence either way.

How would you prove to yourself that something doesn't exist, anyway? The most you could say is that you never encountered it yourself.
Wookie McFly
Well Bob, for someone who spends a great deal of time talking about his own *opinion* (as you said repeatedly) it is very interesting that you choose to attack me so directly for mine.

And while yes, as you say "20,000 years of written history" (which is an absurd exaggeration which reflects very little knowledge of the history which you so directly rip apart) may be based on a lie, then what isn't based on a lie?

I'm very glad that you have never had an experience with demons or the evil they embody or represent.

This does not mean that it doesn't exist. Regardless of what you say you "know".

As far as my personal experiences go, that is not the point or the directive of this discussion. It is sufficed to say that I am not hiding behind my father's beliefs or listening to my great aunt's stories; I have had my experiences and they back up what I am saying. As have very close friends of mine and many others.

The point being, you cannot prove that demons do not exist, just as I cannot prove to you that they do. We are discussing an ethereal and open topic, one which no complete answer exists. End of story.

Regardless, I did not intend for this to descend into personal attacks on each other and apologize for my part in parcipitating this. Hopefully it will not cloud any further communications we have on this discussion board.

--Marty

ourworldsbeyond
Marty

Nothing of what I said was a *personal* attack on you and I am asking that you don't take it as such. Without doubt, it is 'forceful' but, really, it is not an 'attack' at all.

And, it goes without saying that this, or anything else, will effect further, likely responses between us because, believe it or not, I don't attack 'people' unless I am attacked myself first.

I am very strong and forceful when it comes to Ouija Boards because Marty - and please hear me when I say this - I have been FURTHER than *anyone* else who EVER lived before me.

It is *because* I have gone that far - much further than you too - that I am in the position to BE strong and say, with *absolute* certainty that demons, satan and hell do NOT exist.

You mentioned proof? You want proof of their NON-existence? Of course I can prove it.

The next time you come up against a 'demon', instead of being afraid and adding to his/her power by exercising faith in 'demons', put 'demons' out of your head altogether and start up a conversation with him/her. Regardlless of any threats or whatever, treat this 'demon' with the same respect as you do everyone else - and we shall see whether *this* demon is *actually* a 'demon' at all.

Then, when (not IF) you realise that 'demons' don't hold conversations with 'mere humans' and is quite chatty really that, whatever we may think yet, this 'demon' is not too bad after all. Supposing then that, ALL 'demons' were just like this one - misinterpreted?

I am not saying that entities from the lower places cannot be - let's say ' difficult' (because many of them are). Some can ever look like demons but 'demons' they're still not.

I am betting that you didn't speak to this entity at all but ran off instead? (many would so, no shame in that Marty. I've run from ghosts way before now myself. But only once. After that, never again and never will).

You see, to suggest or to repeat the 'belief' of demons, means that we MUST also 'believe' that we CAN be possessed or that Satan and all that comes with that MUST also exist. You cannot have demons without all of that behind it can you?

It is the BELIEF in all this that MAKES communication through a Ouija Board all the more fearful. If you repeat the fear then others repeat it after you - but you'd still be wrong. (And I do mean - a 'flat' wrong and not a 'supposed' or 'maybe' wrong. It's a flat NO to this one I'm afraid Marty and not a personal attack Ok?).

What makes the whole thing worse is that, if you *insist* that a demon has just come to your board (regardless of whatever this 'Bob' bloke says) and you repeat this fear to one who will use it, well, for *your* benefit, they'll be one. (I would in their position). But, treat them all as PEOPLE and, you will see for yourself that, behind the silly facade is an ordinary, everyday bloke like you and me. They are *never* anything more than this. (Well, not from the lower places they're not at any rate. Go higher and you can communicate with all kinds of beings from everywhere. But, hide behind that fear and you wont will you?).

I am strong on something like this because, when you repeat this hand-me-down lie (that I *know* it is but that you 'believe' isn't - at the moment) you repeat it to those who half suspect something terrible is going to happen to them - and then 'believe' YOU rather than me - one who has been further than you see?

So, you want to check me out?

The next time you go to your board and are sure that you're in contact with someone from a higher place, ask them to come visit me. You can stay on the board and wait for a minute Ok? Do this and they will come back with news about me that will knock your socks off. When that happens, you wont question me again - but will learn.

Although I can sympathise with your adventures with someone low yet, because you concentrated so much on your fear, you allowed your fear to control your rational. (It isn't easy to do otherwise so, don't go thinking I'm calling you a girl Ok? I've been there too).

Next time, get in to that *person*. Ask them, what has made them so angry. Be sympathetic and listen properly - as you would any other angry person in front of you. When this person tells you, you'll know what to say next without me telling you. Let your guts answer for you Ok?

Take a very deep breath. Hold STILL. IGNORE the dizziing effects of facing your own fear. Ignore your trembling. (It's hell I know but you only have to do this ONCE. After that, it's child's play) This will be INSTILLED fear leaving your body once and for all. Face this 'thing' in front of you and TALK. Don't flinch. TALK and you will see what I mean.

Then, you will be on your way to far better things than 'playing' Ouija I promise you.

The *person* in front of you, I assure you, is FAR more afraid than you will ever be.

You'll see.

When you've got that far, come back and I'll show you what happens next Ok?

(Exciting? Huh! You haven't heard the best of it yet Marty - not by a lONG way you haven't. But, do this, and you will. That's a promise too!)

Bob Daulby

PS: I don't exaggerate truths that was written 20,000 years ago. Through your own Ouija Board, when you get going, you will hear of history that will stretch back to even much further than this. In the spirit worldS - 20,000 years is NOTHING. You'll also come to know of this too. Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating!
ourworldsbeyond
QUOTE(boorite @ Apr 30 2006, 10:23 PM) [snapback]1169469[/snapback]

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled is convincing the world he doesn't exist." I'm not saying I believe in the Devil. But if he did exist, he might like to persuade people that he didn't. And he might succeed in persuading some. Then these people would go around swearing there's no such thing as the Devil. So the fact that someone shows up here doing exactly that is no evidence either way.

How would you prove to yourself that something doesn't exist, anyway? The most you could say is that you never encountered it yourself.



I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. Can anyone prove that satan doesn't exist? Yes they can. I can and so can you.

Firstly, are you aware that, besides Jesus, there were *many* others around at the time who could also heal the sick and raise the dead? (Hmm... where did he drag that one from I wonder?).

OK. In the first instance, not once have we ever seen any real evidence that *anyone* called 'Satan' existed that was not of this world but was a part of it anyway. Secondly, if you research the origins of The Bible, (where we get Satan from) you will see that, most if not all of it, can be completely discreditted - including Satan along with that.

I only say this for those who would much prefer to research in the usual way and not my way Ok? It's all there - readily available to anyone who cares to look for themselves.

My way, is to - as I have just done above with Marty - is to actually face this 'Satan' thing - the thing that every Westerner fears most. (Which, by the way, Satan must have a fear of Easterners because there's no mention of him in their religious indoctrination is there? Or maybe they're not so easily led as we are eh? Perhaps that's it?). Go on your Ouija Board and call out *specifically* for him. When you do make contact with someone, what you'll find is that, although plenty of 'Satans' will turn up yet, when questioned about The Bible, NONE of them can repeat specific verses back at you. According to 'scripture' Satan can quote the Bible backwards can't he? Yeah right). NONE can tell you wheree Jesus body is (the *real* Satan could. Don't forget, he's the very next in line after God who knows more than any of us?) - or The Ark, or where Eden was/is or even what *the Tree Of life* ACTUALLY was and so on. Very soon, you'll notice that, either they go away or, they'll come back with all kinds of threats that they can never fulfil - but that the REAL Satan could *anytime* - and listen now - *without* waiting for you to get a silly board game out.

Question this Satan thing and you will see that, far from what I am 'saying' Satan does not exist.

Now, because you don't know me and so, know nothing about my work or what I have achieved with and through my board and, because you have so little actual practice of your own on your own board then, what I am about to say next wont mean a thing to you and may even sound just a tad off as well.

Never-the-less, I will say it anyway.

You have heard me say this before but, it must be repeated for the end bit Ok?

"I have been MUCH further than anyone else who has EVER lived before me" - In fact (and here's the end bit) I have been to the very BOTTOM of the lowest of lower plains in all existence and found nothing else there than a river. Next to that river was a huge wall - a wall, that is, of blackness - of oblivion. This means that, beyond that river, NOTHING ELSE exists. If I was to ever come across any Satan then NOW would have been a great time to do it. And, although there were millions upon millions entities down there of such an enormous negative power yet HE - Satan - was NOT there amongst them. Not only that but neither was hell either!

If you understood my research and of how long it's been going on then, you would know that, not only what I did was possible (and is actually done now) but that it is completely verifiable by *anyone* who cares to ask *anyone* from the higher places on the other side.

You see, the idea of me going that far was to prove, beyond all doubt that, my method, above all other methods before me, ALSO works. It works so well that, even if I did bump into Satan then HE would have to watch out for ME and not the other way around. And so, in knowing this, I can flat out challenge 'Satan' to do his best because even HE wont beat me!

What is more, so good is my method that YOU TOO could challenge him and YOU TOO would always win as easily as I do right now. Even if Satan EVER existed, I can beat him - and so can you. But, he wasn't there to beat in the first place.

Satan was invented by Rome as IT invented Catholicism through Saul of Tarsus - a former Roman soldier himself and a strict disciplinarian - hence the harsh discipline of that belief system. When you encapture people's minds, you can rule the world. And so, what do you suppose the Vatican does now? Satan was INVENTED in the first place. So, saying he doesn't exist is easy. But I didn't go that way. I went to meet him. And he wasn't there either.

So, whether you may 'believe' that I am about deception or not doesn't make a scrap of difference to me. I am saying that, IF Satan ever existed then he, nor his cohorts will ever bother me again or those who, along with me, find the truth - as IT is, for themselves.

It is not Satan that we fear the most.

It's The *Truth* we do. Why? God only knows.

Meantime, because I know what's there, I can also add with full confidence, there is *nothing* to fear at all.

Bob Daulby
laylaere2k6
QUOTE(Thylacina @ Mar 8 2005, 08:37 AM) [snapback]515890[/snapback]

I have a ghost in my house that I've known about since I was about ten, I believe it's the ghost of a little girl wearing 70's style clothes (I know this much because I had a dream about her when I was 13). I first encountered her in the living room when she pulled on my t-shirt. After that she shook my bed and woke me up in the middle of the night a few weeks later. Then as time went on I noticed that some things in my room had been moved, mostly the toy horses I keep on my bookshelf.

About a year ago I had a strong feeling that something was buried in our backyard. I felt a strong pull towards a tree my mother planted near the back fence. I went there and I was about three feet from the tree when the feeling stopped. Now for the last few days I've been feeling as though there's something about the house that isn't right and that the little girl is trying to tell me something. What should I do?



[font=Century Gothic][size=7] i reckon you should tell your parents about this and maybe they can move or contact someone about it. if already done you shouldjust try and foreget about it if you can not. then i sugest you move house. not to worrie you in anyway but you or your family could get seriously hurt. layla xxx
SecondHeartbeat
those are very long posts,it like friggen,takes up more than my screen
louie
is it warm or cold when she visits
DeadRobot
QUOTE(Elvis @ Mar 8 2005, 08:34 PM) [snapback]516548[/snapback]

I believe you mean a "Ouija" board wacko.gif

Noobs today, eh? hmm.gif tongue.gif

The 70's ghost kid could have been from Glasgow, Scotland tongue.gif so it could have required a weegee board and maybe a 6-pack of tennants lager.
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