Maybe, just maybe mind, we don't ACTUALLY have bodies, and are just minds floating in an infinite space. Maybe our minds are closely connected to senses, and we are simply imagining the world around us, and everyone in it. I don't belive in this as such, but maybe it's true.

And maybe MY veiw of the colour red is different to your veiw of the colour red, we have just grown up to call that colour red. Maybe every colour is just that.

These are just some of my passing little thoughts.

like Matrix?

Why not?

Hans Moravec - "It is not only possible that we are living in a simulation - that we are a simulation. Its almost certain, that were are. THe odds are trillions to 1 that any other conclusion that is we are really real is false. "

SImple way to prove that false.

Look in the mirror, with someone else, looking together into the same mirror.

The color red you see, is exactly the same as the color the other person sees. Infact, everything is exactly the same as what the other person sees. So you're seeing EXACTLY the same thing as everyone else. If it was just your imagination, or if colors were not really colors, you'd see different to what the other person does.


True, all animals see differently. Humans see some color, and 3D. SOme animals only see black and white, or 2D, or no depth at all, some even see millions more colors than what we don't see, etc etc.

But all humans see exactly the same.

Let me play more tricks on your mind how do you know my mind exist, you could just be projecting this reality.

Except for the people who taste colors as well as see them. This is a perfectly normal capability, not some kind of mental illness. It creates no difficulties in life. Or so I am told.

And how, exactly, does one 'taste' a color?

*munch munch.. hrmm, tastes like yellow!*

We are all imagining everything.
This is no thread.
This is no forum.
This is no site.
These are no words.

Yeah mby ppl don't see everything the same....if you grew up seeing something as red, that another would, in your mind see as purple, it would still be red from their perspective...but you don't realize that your perspectives are different

Wow.......... trippy

Stand next to someone, and look in the mirror with them. Point to colors. You will both, no matter who it is, see the colors as the same.
Humans only have one vision, we've named the colors as we all see them.

Sorry Burns...not all humans see everything exactly the same. Millions of people are color-blind.

lol, that's true.

Well there could be genetic differences is all i am saying, mby light is bent different in different eyes and if somehow you could get into someones head then you'd see the color red differently than from how your eyes see it...

but since we cannot have the perception of others then how do we know.

Well there could be genetic differences is all i am saying, mby light is bent different in different eyes and if somehow you could get into someones head then you'd see the color red differently than from how your eyes see it...

but since we cannot have the perception of others then how do we know.

Stop thinking about how others view through their eyes for a minute.
Start thinking about how you view through yours.
Think about it, Your the only one on this planet that can see through your own eyes.
That is where everything becomes unreal.

That's my point, only you can see what you see, so who's to say ur not the only inteligent being and all that you percieve is from your mind, you just don't know

sure as hell aint a sentence! jk

Here is how I see things.

I can think 'this is my projection, my existence, you exist because I am projecting your existence' however, so can you. Now my wife's father died not long ago but he could've been thinking the same. I still exist after his passing. Therefore there is a common ground we all exist on or are projected to - the universe, milky way, solar system, earth...

We can observe things down to microscopic level, with electron microscopes we can see down to a hazy atom level (if anyone has images please send me a link).
If there was anything projecting in a holographic sense or even into our minds the earth or what we do through our lifetimes, to project on such a detailed level would IMO, take more space (for the information on what you are projecting) than what you are actually projecting.

But, it looks more like that atoms or even the subatomic particles are the material of 'projection'. Energy they are made of and with energy they can change. Each particle 'knows' how to interact - Laws of Physics and has substance due to energy.
The particles then do not require external SW/programming they simply interact according to strict rules with anything they encounter, no memory per particle either. Collectively, the universe with Laws of Physics in place is a projection/place (very real - but non-existent ) for our consciousness! It is our consciousness that is projected through the tinniest of wormhole/singularity/???/planck length to 'control'/???/experience THIS. From the 'other' side, our existence (with the extra time dimension?) looks like a weird 'energy' oscillation??? anything physical/time dependent is inconceivable and perhaps just as big a mystery also. hmmm

Just a thought...
Earth is but a playground for the creator / 'cause of existence' / life force? Maybe..
Through us 'it' gets to be fully everything and experience the creation?

No, I am not religious. By 'creation' I mean the universe begining with perhaps the big-bang? But that's another topic...

Another thought to ponder.

Everything any of us experience IS a projection. The light that hits your eyes, not only is it a reflection but it has taken time to travel and hence whatever you are seeing (the real object) is NOT what you see! It is a projection.

The touch of something. Also a projection - of the sensation of touch that has travelled through the nervous system via electrochemical impulses. This is much much slower than light and also takes time! Hence what you are feeling, although only a small fraction of time out is NOT what's really there. By the time we interpret the message - matter has changed. It's a matter of fact.

So, if our existence is really just an amazing projection this would also have to be taken into account and be 'coded' for.

Your reality is your perception.
Our perception is all we have to go by.
I thinks it strange that it's believed we only
have five senses. I know that I have gut
feelings, deductive reasoning, a sense of
danger etc. Don't all these factors sway our
perception of whats real??

I do agree that most everyone is going to
perceive colors the same but you have to
remember, everyone is different. Our thoughts,
reasoning, memories are all different, why wouldn't
our perceptions be different?

Well i wanna tell all of you that the color red i see was written in html code like this #FF0000 ain't no mistake that it is red.

Ok, perhaps I can enlighten a little.

A friend and I had a similar discussion recently about colors and perception. Whether it be red (or any other color), on its own it is a VAGUE reference. It is a reference to how our eyes interpret different color wavelengths. 'Red' can mean a range of colors but scipherel put it in a context - HTML code :



he has used RED in the context of HTML with a definition of #FF0000. There aint no mistake if you use this convention and scipherel's label of red.

Similarly, if I give everyone a chart with different wavelength light labels ie. one for red, blue, green, lightgreen, etc. etc. - for thousands (millions) of colors and everyone has a wavelength measuring 'device' then I do not think there would be any conflict if everyone could read their 'device' properly ie. point 'device' at color, read wavelength, look up on the chart and read out the 'universal' color. This however is too much for our brains to store unless you are involved in the paint industry - then it would be an advantage. So we resort to abstraction and 'red' becomes any number of similar colors.

There exists a 'semi-implied' perception of red, that is, red falls within a minimum and maximum range of wavelengths that represent the extremes of our perceptions. This is a 'gray' area and could be perceived as the borderline between two colors in the rainbow. It's all a matter of perception but if we had a universal chart of wavelengths and labels (various forms already exist in the paint industry) we could truly agree on a color.

BurnSide, you don't get what I'm saying. The colour I call 'Red' may infact be my purple to you, but we call it 'Red'. So if we pointed to the colour called red, we would point to the same colour, but in our eyes, they may be different colours. You won't see through anothers eyes. We can't prove this wrong, or right.

isn't it so wonderful that different people though created by the same
almighty god have different views, different tastes, different likes and dislikes.


why does god want all of us to be unique?
perhaps just like that.........