What is love? This topic may have been done before, but oh well...I'm sure I'll put a unique twist on things.

This is what I apparently wrote for my away message while I was drunk last night, and reading it this morning I think it rings some kind of truth... The kind of truth only a drunk man would lament...

"I'm tired of it all.
Of stupid girls thinking they're going to find their true love. About stupid Under the Tuscan Sun, Sex and the City, and the freekin Ice princess. Love and sex is all a method of control, and is a mass delusion. Animals do not fall in love, they find mates to reproduce. Love is a twisted perversion of the human mind, and exploited by the media, and engrained into young girl's minds. There is no love, only servatude.

Yeah, I need a girlfriend.... or maybe a shotgun."

Anyways, that got me to thinking, what if Love is just a human delusion (Perhaps very complex), and the only real attraction is sexual because we are all really animals who wish to find a mate and reproduce.

Any bright ideas?

I think because of the development of the human conscious from early homo sapiens we have become aware the instinctual desires of the body and come aware of the consequences that come with them if we acted upon them (psychological development in morality). Hence we created rules when it comes to mating whether through culture or religion.

Love is like a learning curve when young men and women feel strong desires for one another and can't understand them they just call it love. But then they meet somebody new and feel something much stronger they then change their mind and call this love. After a while we take the meaning of love from current culture or religion and use that meaning to find their "true love" or one can make up their own meaning ex: Love means a lot of money, a good looking body, higher intelligence, etc.

I don't believe love is an delusion we have evolved into a higher conscious of self and body that we can look pass the biological factors of attraction, and find a meaning in why we want to mate with another.

I can believe that, as our brains evolved so did our concepts of "love" along with complex things like "honor","dignity", ect. ect.

But I feel that now our concept of love is changing yet again, as a society. Look at the divorce rate in this country, and what our TV says we should value.

this is a good question, i believe that animals do "love" each other, take for instance those animals that stay with there mate and help raise there offspring, humans are that kind of dirivitive, we find a partner and when we mate with them, our intelligence allows us to realize that while with one mate the chances of our offspring growing and developing will increase if the man stays and helps nurture...

But wouldn't you think animals are more concerned with survival, and aren't able to grasp the concept of love? Perhaps when they mate they have understood that their mate is an ally and will help them survive, but not a lover. Not one who can care or think about the others needs and wants...

I just think that love is sometimes one of the worst human emotions to have; it leads to grief over lost loved ones, it can hurt when couples break-up, and it is abused and misused by those who have learned to manipulate it.

Desire and sex is a much more understandable concept I believe, then love. Love is very very abstract, which leads me to think its either unatural or purely a human belief.

i agree with you, but what i think is that all of those "extra" feelings humans expierience from love are just more developed feelings animals are expieriencing

Gahhhh... Who would think desire and despair would come in the same package though?

Animals definetally have no respect for each other and they don't know whats right and wrong. However, humans can love each other. Love not just an emotion, but a conviction. Most people can't put their finger on it, but many smart people know the caracteristics of love by which they recognize it. Love is caring, patient, kind, friendly, not selfish etc... It is always concernet about the other person, love is honest. It is not a human perversion in the mind. The order of operation in life is not to reproduce; but to first have love, and then reproduce. It seperates us from animals really. They don't love each other because they don't respect each other. They may make friends, but thats probably as far as they'll go. Its all a matter of opinion. If you believe that humans are a special creation by God, then you know that humans have the capacity to love, and animals do not. Its just the way God made us.

“Tis better to have loved and lost than to never had loved” Shakespeare.

To quote my long departed mother, “Some say love is blind, they forgot about dumb and stupid!”
She may have had a point. But if love is a drug I hope everyone becomes addicted!

I believe that God made man in His image not physical but with His ability for unconditional love (Agape).

All the best
Irish

I agree with the first concept about love. But, what did you mean when you wrote "not physical"? Are you saying that God made us in His spiritual image, or were you reffering to something else. I am just curious because I have been researching the subject myself, and since we have shape, God must have one too. Therefore, it either tells us that spirits have shapes and sizes, or that God is not just a spirit, but has a distinct physical presence with shape and size.

But anyway, I agree that love is something God-given.

Hi Norman
My understanding is from Baptist bible school. God made man in his image meaning with many of His own abilitys, examples.
1. The ability to either create or destroy.
2. The ability to pro-create or take a life.
3. The ability for un-conditional love. "Agape" you may want to research this unique hebrew word it does not translate well into english.
Not only did God create us in His spiritual image He created Himself in our image though Jesus. Now thats a compliment to us as humans and explains by action that He truly is Agape.
All the best
Irish

Technically love are just a weird varity of brain cells, I forgot what they're specifically called, but it's a feeling you get that involved with your nerves that when you touch someone or the person you like or love those senses go off to make you believe that it's love. When it's just a scientific thing, nothing special......

But aren't they also concerned with protecting their offspring? I imagine it would be hard for a wild animal to look after offspring on it's own as it would have to leave it to hunt. So it would be safer to stay with a partner.


Why would this be so?


Well that is certainly how it expresses itself in this world but that doesn't conlusively show that it's only a materialistic thing.
It could just be a "scientific" thing but it could also have came from a higher place first and this was interpreted by our brains and used to create physical changes.

I thought about this subject a while ago and it seemed pretty fake then but now I'm thinking about it again I have another thought.
It could be possible that love had a much higher maybe even spiritual meaning and this was used by nature to create a desire to reproduce. This could be why reproduction in humans requires so much contact with each other. Couldn't we have used many other methods to reproduce?
This would require an assumption but as long as other people are mentioning non-materialistic ideas...
It could be possible we all existed as pure love and were all there was and so would be God. Something caused us to separate and solidify into this material world. As we grew and became living things love was used as a way to create new life.
This probably has a few flaws though as I've been having trouble thinking straight recently.

Love is our purpose of life, or at least higher emotions like it. I believe their is love. Animals love their kin (at least most of them do) dogs love their owners, ect. You love your mother right? You would cry if she died... I don't believe that this is an illusion. ( keep in mind, I am talking about most of us )

There is no such thing as love...

Because God is not mere spirit. God is not singular. God is the Elohym, and the Elohym have both a spiritual and physical nature. Jesus is a good example of that. But anyway, back to love...

Why would you make that assumption?

Because I know so...

Love to me is an emotional vibration of the highest level of vibrational consciousness, where hate is the lowest form of vibrational consciousness.

Love radiates from the highest levels of the spirit world, where hate radiates from the lowest realms of the spirit world. The vibration of the love energy vibrates fast and quickly and is light, and the hate energy vibrates slowly and is heavy and dark.

Love comes from the god force, where as hate and all the other negative emotions connected with hate, comes from the darkness that is void of the god light.

Anyone that says that animals cant feel love are either ignorant, or have never owned an animal. Animals have souls way above human ones, look how a dog can give unconditional love, and never ask for anything in return, human kind has been trying to do that for 1000s of years, but has never managed it, the Dog can do it effortlessly.

Love to me is the highest form of emotion, because it creates, its one that brings human kind together.

Hate is the lowest form of emotion, because it destroys and is the one that drives human kind apart.

Here is something that many animal lovers will like.

"You think there will not be dogs in heaven?
I tell you they will be there before any of us".

Robert Louis Stevenson

Is there really a Dog Heaven?

For thousands of years, the dog has been mankind's best and most loyal friend. The first drawings by man indicate that the dog was the first domesticated pet on Earth. Even in prehistoric times, the wildest of wolves found a common bond with man in their quests to discover and share the world together.

When the life of a dog passes, grieving is often deeper and more devastating than when people close to us die. Perhaps this is because the dog gives us unyielding, unconditional love and devotion through its entire lifetime. No other species of living thing on Earth, including human beings, possesses the capacity to give so much, demand so little, and forgive so quickly. What a unique blessing this is. Ironically, it is often the unaccomplished mission of our lifetime as people!

When we lose our friend and companion, we inevitably ask ourselves, 'does this dog have a soul? Was his life on Earth his last? Does this spirit move up and on to a higher place?' After having given us the rare gift of his life, surely the dog must move on to an eternal place. Theologians and religious scholars are reluctant to decide, so for most, the question remains unanswered. As for me, I have known too many dogs in a special way that I have never known people. My heart knows the answer.

If you have any doubt, be comforted by this belief. The loving creator of all universes and creatures would not have blessed us with them, if He had not blessed THEM first. Is it a coincidence that this is revealed to us so clearly by the simple reflection of the word DOG in a mirror?

Cleveland Wheeler

All the best

Faeden

I think that best reflect my opinion on it, maybe love in it's purest form is absent of any vibration. Would that be possible?
I heard that someone discovered that love creates frequencies that reach more DNA than hate or fear. Has anyone lese heard of this? It was mentioned by David Icke in one of this lectures but it's a 5 hour one and I can't be bothered to listen to it right now. Plus there's the whole college issue.

Why? You simply substiuted one statement for another and didn't prove either.

Look, not to burst your beautiful bubble faeden, but hate has an enormous amount of power. Hitler's overpowering hate almost toppled the world in WWII, the atom bomb was hardly created by the powers of love, and a majority of world disputes are usually solved by anger, destruction, and war. Humanity has a huge potential for hate, violence, and destruction, and saying Love is more powerful then hate; well perhaps one day this will come to pass, but I have yet to see it now.

I'm a runner, and a competetor... and let me tell you what I've seen. Hate has a lot of strength in it. It's helped me win tough races, get into a frenzy before sports like football or wrestling, and I imagine it can be entirely benefitial for soldiers in time of war. I've tried doing the love thing, and the results just don't compare. There is power in hate, don't kid yourself.

Hi Monkyburd

Sorry to burst your bubble but.........



Please show me where I said that love was more powerful that hate ? I am fully aware that hate has a huge amount of power, both love and hate are powerful yes, its what one you feed that determines who you are. Your above words are odd as they pretty much agree with what I was saying, yet you seem to have a problem with my point. Yes Hitler and the atom bomb are all products of hate, what is it your point ? It was my point that hate is lower than love, I think that the atom bomb and Hitler prove that point perfectly, so thanks for bringing them up.



Again I am fully aware of mans potential for hate, I mean turn on the news and see all the wars around the world, you would have to be stupid not to know that. Again where did I say that hate was not powerful? Again I said that love is higher than hate. Not that hate has no power.



Yes!!! But then war in beneficial for no one, war is breed from hate, and kills people, so of course its going to benefit people fighting in wars, you have just given a great example of why hate is lower than love, war is the lowest form of act on the planet today. Hitler started a war with hate not love, need I say anymore

As for the sports thing I dont think that type of thing can be classed as hate, if you use hate when your taking part in sports then I have to question your techniques lol its just a game…..



Come again, please show me where I said there is not power in hate? Again I said that hate is lower in vibration there for radiates from the low dark realms from the spirit world, and love radiates from the highest and lightest I never said once that hate did not have power, if hate had no power then nothing bad would happen associated with it like war and murder would it ?

I think that there is such a thing as a healthy competitiveness, but you dont have to hate to win sports, even great boxers win with out hating there opponents.

Here is something that I have posted before on here, but shows what I am talking about well.

CHEROKEE WISDOM

An old Cherokee was teaching his grandson about life. "A fight is going on inside me"; he said to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves."

"One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego."

"The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith."

"This same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

All the best
Faeden

Well, I got the impression that you said Hate had no power in the fact that you called it the lowest, heaviest, darkest, most negative in all your statements. I would assume then you meant it was very low power.

And in sports, nobody won anything or got anywhere with a bit of "healthy competitiveness." You need to burn, to hurt, to feel pain to get the pleasure of winning. If you go into a race thinking, "Well, I just love everyone and we're all on a nice high vibration," you're gonna get your ass kicked. Perhaps I personally use hatered to get myself in the zone, but I'm sure others have utilized it's facets.

Of course, you could just make excuses and say,"It's just a sport" but to a certain extent how you play the game defines who you truly are.

War is in human nature, its the most natural thing to us. We measure our history by periods at war rather then by at times of peace. Conflict, hate, and agression are part of who we all are. Love it seems, has no place in this world sometimes. The more you love the more hurt you are when you lose those you love... so is it not better to be hatefilled in the first place?

Im the same way w/regards to my training

- Dark

Hi Monkyburd



No!! I am saying it comes from the lowest realms of the spirit world, Just because it comes from the lowest darkest realms doesn’t mean its any less powerful. I think that love and hate are pretty equal in power, its just that they are both different ends of the spectrum. When you throw a boomerang both ends are of equal weight, they need to be to fly right so it can return to you, just as love and hate need to be equal for nature or the universe to exists. When we throw out love we will get it back just like a boomerang, when we throw out hate we will get that back just as we do love, in many cultures its called Karma. Its the same with positive and negative you need them for a battery to work, but that doesn’t mean we can not live our lives with love does it? The earth realm is smack bang in the middle of the light and dark realms, so your going to get a balanced face of nature, as nature can be peaceful and beautiful, it can also be harsh and cruel, but that doesn’t mean we as humans have to be that way. Maybe mother nature is trying to teach us something, and that lesson is that being destructive is hate, and being peaceful is love, its just that we as a race are so caught up in our own self destructive emotions of hate, greed, and anger, and ignorance, that we refuse to see it.



No, its (Hate) that causes war… hate is apart of human nature yes, but then so is love, again ill quote back to the Cherokee wisdom I put in my post to put my point across. We all have free will, and yes its natural to feel both love and hate, but that is exactly why we all have free will, because its up to us to choose which one we are going to give into or embrace.



Yes we do, maybe that is a good example of why we are going so badly wrong ?



Hate, anger, and conflict, where not apart of Jesus, Gandhi, Buddha, and all the other great people that walked the earth throughout history, they chose love over hate, so they are not apart of all human kind, they where individuals, they are not apart of the some that can not over come the negative emotions that all humans have in side them, all the great religious leaders won the battle with good vrs darkness that is going on inside them selves as individuals. Again we are individuals and all have free will, and its not until human kind understands that free will is up to us all as individual beings, that the reality will sink in that hate is moving human kind backward, and that love is moving human kind forward. We can not see life as it truly is, until we find that peace within our selves as individuals and that you cant find that peace through hate only through love. And its not until this realisation has manifested into the hearts of the living that human kind as a whole can be at peace.



The more you lose those you love, the more you hurt yes, but its that kind of hurt that teaches us the true value of love. If you live a life with no love because of fear losing love, then you will live a pretty selfish and unhappy life. Its the understanding of being eternal, that helps me know that love is also eternal, and because I am aware that love is eternal I also know that I have not really lost any love one, because love never dies. If you cant love or care for others, then you defy the who reason to live in the first place, love is what keeps us all connected, if everyone went around hating and never loving then we would all be distant and cold, and life would be worthless. Love makes life worth living.



No because hate just breeds more hate and will eventually consume you, love breeds more love and will eventually set you free.

All the best
Faeden

No, because technically I would rather live my life as a viking. Seriously think about it, vikings pillage, plunder, murder, rape, and steal. The only love in that picture is love for destruction and hatred... and seriously, and in refrence to women, "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" As a viking, I could satisfy all my carnal pleasures, not deal with all that love and understanding bullplop, and have a glorious time! Grarr! As for selfishness...I would rather we call it "self-indulgence."

Ah, and when you die you get to go to valhalla! Yes! No loving god figure is there..thats for sure.



Are you sure that whole quote isn't interchangeable?

Man learns to be good, and serve god, and be loving, and be tolerable. He also falls in love with a beautiful girl who he loves. They are married, and have two lovely children.

Suddenly, the mother and both kids die in an auto accident. His life is ruined, and he spirals into despair. He ends up being an alcohaulic, and eventually dies from overdrinking; sad, alone, and in despair.

Sounds like love kinda trapped him on that one, huh?

Monkeyburd, so you are basically saying you would rather rape someone than be with someone that you loved and would love you? You seem like a pretty bitter person i feel sorry for you. Someone must have hurt you badly for you to feel so bitter. Blessings Jo

I'm saying that things would be a hell of a lot easier without love involved, we could be like the animals, who have sex and hunt for survival and to live healthy lives. Love complicates the natural way of things...assuming animals don't technically "love."

Hi Monkyburd



But love is involved isn’t it? And theirs nothing you or anyone can do about that. Life brings love with it, unless you shut it out.



Its been proven that animals are capable of love, I know for a fact that my dog loves me. If they dont love why do many animals grieve family members that either passed on or never return ?

All the best
Faeden

Animals do love and I'm quite sure the vikings did too. Personally I feel that life would be pathetic and depressing if humans were not capable of love. There would be no hope, understading, compassion and the alike. Not to mention very lonely. But hey thats just how I would feel. Blessings, Jo

And there's my whole point! There is something you can do, take up in arms and feed your carnal urges through other methods! Shut it out, perfect solution! Treat women as objects! Live on the basis of money and power! Hell, people have been doing this for ages, and having a grand ol' time with it!



But if a world without love ever exsisted, say before humans evolved to ourselves today, wouldn't love be a nice thing to manifest? Wouldn't we evolve to feel love to fill that void in our lives? And wouldn't that describe it as a human creation?

And seriously, do animals love, or is it merely the way we (as humans) interpret it? My dog loves me, because he knows I love him? No.. he loves me because I feed him and keep him warm and safe. More like a mutual agreement; exchanging human love to shelter and safety.

Sorry, I editted it just as you posted...

Hi Monkyburd



Rather you than me.



Have u never noticed how dogs seem to love unconditionally whether they are fed or not? Or even if there owners abuse them? I think that shows a lot about the level of love an animal is capable of.

All the best
Faeden

Don't get me wrong, I don't treat women as objects and feed on killing and destruction, I'm just trying to prove this point. Personally, I have been in love, and it is wonderful, just so hard to find and interpret, and sucks to fall out of.

Just trying to work some of these problems out here, maybe confirm my own doubts by asking these questions, and digging for answers..so don't think I am really an angry viking.

I just think love is very unnatural in that grief and despair follow closely with it..along with its complexity.

As for dogs, yes, I knew you'd bring up that point, and I know what you're talking about. Perhaps after animals have been domesticated, their survival instincts diminish, and leaves room for love to develop fully. Maybe?

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Well speaking of love. Does anyone know why this is the symbol of it? Don't say heart cause your wrong. There is a life cycle displayed in the most simple of forms within it.

Edit: That was supposed to be a heart but it keeps wrapping it, but you get the point.

This a very intresting topic about love. i have loved before someone so i know how it feels.
my question though is . Whats the point in love if i cant have the one i love ???

thanks have a nice day

If you haven't had them how do you know you love them? How can you even assume what you feel is actually love? You can only really say you love someone when that person accepts it. Otherwise it's a useless endeavor and you might be holding on because you are already convinced life is full of love not for you.

Robert Heinlein said it best, IMO: "Love is that condition in which the happiness of another is conditional to your own"

So if two people are in love, each has feeling only if the other has the feelings of the same vairety? Or do you just mean happiness? I guess I don't get the reason why I should be unhappy that someone dosen't love me back because I don't put people into the position of dictating my happiness. Why would someone be unhappy when it's their choice to be miserable by continuing to live a lie?

"If you haven't had them how do you know you love them? How can you even assume what you feel is actually love? You can only really say you love someone when that person accepts it. " blankman12

So you dont believe in love in first sight? i dont think you have to have them in order to feel love. You can feel love whether someones accepts it or not i dont understand what you are trying to say. I think thats the same with hate, you can hate someone whether he accepts it or not.

thnx and have a nice day

Well you'll always have yourself and if anyone diserves your respect and love it's yourself.
Just because you can't have the one you love doesn't mean you should stop loving all together. An part of loving is accepting and respecting freedom.

I think the problem is with humans is, we have a hard time knowing what we need, most think they know what they want, and forget what they need.

I know its just a comedy movie, but have you seen the movie Bruce all mighty ? In it Morgan Freeman plays god, and Bruce says to god, "but I want my love (his girl friend) back", and god says "Since when have humans ever known what they want ?"

Many people want want want forgetting what it is we need. We should all be grateful for what we have, there are people in the world a lot worse of that most of us on here. Many people dont know what love between two people is supposed to be about, to me its supposed to be about, connection, respect, and trust. Many people are attracted to each other because of what "car they drive", "how much money they have", or "what they look like" or "if they are popular" They look on the out side of people to the things that are a small part of what matters when its comes to love, they dont look into the soul, rather they look into there wallets or bank accounts, or look at the social status one might be in of the ones they think they are in love with. I am not saying this is what you are doing, I am giving my opinion on what’s wrong with modern relationships now a days, people have a very shallow understanding of what love is. If they took the time they would realise that love is the essence of spirit, it goes way beyond fast cars, money, good looks, and social status. The higher powers what ever you wish to call him/her will give us what we need, not what we want. When I see people praying for things like to win the lottery or to get someone with good looks, or a fast car, I get angry, because they are asking god for things that are about the self rather than for the greater good. God will not jump to our demands just because we want something. People see beauty in things that dont matter in the long run, people always think of the now, rather than the longer scheme of things.

I know this sounds tacky, but its true, real beauty, love and happiness comes from the soul, not material things.

All the best
Faeden

Wize words Faeden. Love does come from the soul,its up to you how you use it and to not to let it blacken.
Love is the best thing in the world but also your worst enemy.
A bit like fire to stone age men,you can nurture it and enjoy the benefits for all or it can burn your ass and make you never want to start the fire again.
But love is always better than hate, no doubt about that!
Try to love yourself too sometimes,,,,,oo er missus.

I believe you are right "love" really is overrated but I have been in love but if one is truly in love can their love fade. I am not quite sure. To procreate is one thing. But if that is all you want do it. But don't knock love until you try it.

Like ive said in other threads.

Being in love stimulates the same part of the brain as eating chocolate.

Nothing spiritual about it

Monkyburd I have bad news for you on the pirate thing. Seems the swashbucklers were social outcasts mainly because many were gay. It may not be quite what you had in mind on the high seas. but there again each to their own!
Eh! Monkey ya ever see the weeeeels on a ship?

Hi whoa182



And as I have said before else where, the brain is a tool for our spirit to feel different emotions in the physical world, the brain makes our physical bodies feel these things and experience these things, so that the spirit can have physical experience. So many people find the brain a terrible stumbling block to see the bigger picture.

Just because chocolate can stimulate a part of the brain that love seems to function in, doesn’t mean that love and chocolate are the same thing, or that chocolate or any other chemical can cause the brain to produce similar effects such as feelings that resemble love. You mean that love is nothing more than a chemical reaction in the brain and I see where your coming from, but to me, love is something that causes a reaction in the brain (not the other way around) that allows our physical self to feel it, because love is a spiritual feeling, and it comes from a spiritual place, its just that the brain picks it up like an antenna then our brain plays out the emotion as a physical feeling. Love (as all senses and feelings) to a spirit are probably much more overwhelming than it is to us in a physical body, as we only get as much of the feeling as our brain allows. Physical love is probably much more watered down than pure spiritual love is. Spiritual love must be pure in form, and anyone in a physical body that experienced pure love, would probably now be able to cope with such a powerful vibration of energy.

True love does not even come close to eating chocolate, so that is a strange comparison to make, you either personally eat some brand of amazing chocolate made in Willy wonka’s chocolate heaven that I dont know about, or you have never been in love or felt true love.

all the best
Faeden

Ah, ok cool. So people do look at the symbol of a heart and see more than a simple drawing of a human heart. I see it as a diagram showing, yes, the beginning (bottom point) unification with creator (mother), and then separating and becoming defined induviduals (male, female) until finally mysteriously being attracted back to each other and "falling" (the lines fall back down at the top) in love thus meeting again at one and I assume another heart takes it's course from this point foreward.

I looked at spades too, which are kinda like hearts except they don't meet at the bottom. So I figured a spade is a symbol of disunity. Spades are symbolic of a sword, so yeah that makes sense to me. And since the spade is an inverted heart it signifies a downward event. It begins with unification but yet never quite fully reconnects and keeps going on and on and on.

The Entire purpose of love is to give an incentive to mate and develop children. We feel "pain" when away from loved ones because our brain is missing on a mating opportunity. Thus it goes through the normal limbic system cycle (which I am sure you are all familiar with[just kidding]). But then why only be attracted to certain people? I have a theory that the emotional attraction exists in order to bear a child who will be more likely to possess genetic qualitys more important to daily life then others, although I find that the greater number of people fit for society to have had parents with bad relationships, as well as the unfit ones, it must therefore be used in order to create a Karmatic balance to keep others from suffering. Another reason may be that the child is thought to go through the least amount of suffering possible, so therefore the parents must be able to get along or the child will suffer miserably.

I feel pain when I am away from loved ones, because I love them, and I missing being with the ones I love. I dont look at the people I love as a "mating opportunity" the only one I see as a "mating opportunity" is my girl friend, most of the people I love, I dont think about mating with, because that would just be sick.

You can love someone and not feel a need to mate with them.

You make it sound like we dont have souls, and that love is just an emotion souly to keep the species going, plants mate and they dont feel love, not that I am aware of anyway.

I think Love goes a little deeper that what you say.

All the best
Faeden