I wanna know if there's an actual proof that things can exist outside of time..
and if so.. what would be the consequences..
would they age, what will they know, and how the hell is it to live outside of time..
any experience ?

I come to conclude time does not exist it's just an illusion of the mind the right question would be can things exist outside or reality.

here's a link to my explanation on time

Now reality is something that can't be explained what we perceive or project what is reality, the information that says this is real like objects cannot be tangible. Therefore the possibility that things do exist outside of our perception or projection is extremely likely.

A universe without time is a universe without space. A universe without space has no matter, energy, or distance. So unless there are other forces in nature a universe without time cannot exist...

The words pompous and pretentious spring to mind.

You can't reject the theory of time and then refer to something as "now" since now refers to a moment in time.

It is nonsense to say time doesn't exist - time is not some absoloute entity it is simply a label to describe how we perceive things.

im sorry if im mistakin, but i think that what pancake wanted to say..
is that our perception over time is different from what you say, like only a label to describe now we percieve things..
i think he ment to say that we use time as a continues thing, without a beggining or an end.
that is only the order of what we do things, not really time passing by..
that the mind tricks us to think that becouse of past memories or things like that..
for example, when we are asleep, we can dream a whole dream, which will seem like it took even more than a day.. but it actually took about 10 minuts top...
meaning that the mind can pervert time...

Isn't that what I said.



When I say now I mean to say is that since reality never started then it could never end how can time time something that never started or will never end. You could use time all you want to label past, present, or to plan the future. But the thing is that reality is existent without time. when I say we live in the now, I'm just trying to say realize that reality never changed only you changed within in reality. you are just living one big moment in reality.

Reality never started? You have got to start doing drugs my friend. What you must realize is that even though you experience time as a sequence of events, time is always ticking away. It has been ticking ever since the beginning, thats right the BEGINNING, of the universe.

When you say "reality is existent without time?", I interpret that as meaning if there was no such thing as time reality would still exist. That is a strange assumption to make considering if there was no time your taking away a dimension. What happens in physics when you have only 2 of 3 axis in a three dimensional space? You can specify the vertical placement and the horizontal placement, but without the distance above ground you are lost to how far(or close) the specified position is. If someone told there was a party at jackson and third ave, apartment number 6, but did not tell you what time to be there how would you know when to show up? Reality is predictable and physics works because time exists...

now read "The fabric of the Cosmos" available at your local bookstore and then tell me otherwise. Until then im going to have to debunk you until you realize the truth...

"There is no spoon"

Time must exist for change to exist. If there was no change, you could not tell how long it has been or will go. But if you change, as in change position, change form, change anything, you now have time. You have yourself at position A, and at position B. You can easily say, before position B, after A, during A, and so forth. You have time. But if you have a 2d drawing, it is not within the time dimention, unless you want to be strict and say the paper will deteorate and then there does involve change. But hypothetically, an object can be without time. I believe Light has no time. It is moving as much as it can in the physical universe, and uses all of its energy for moving, none for aging. But then again it fades and so forth...bla tricky to explain and even to understand.

Time must exist for change to exist. If there was no change, you could not tell how long it has been or will go. But if you change, as in change position, change form, change anything, you now have time. You have yourself at position A, and at position B. You can easily say, before position B, after A, during A, and so forth. You have time. But if you have a 2d drawing, it is not within the time dimention, unless you want to be strict and say the paper will deteorate and then there does involve change. But hypothetically, an object can be without time. I believe Light has no time. It is moving as much as it can in the physical universe, and uses all of its energy for moving, none for aging. But then again it fades and so forth...bla tricky to explain and even to understand.

if you are in a car traveling 60 miles per hour directly north and you change lanes for the few seconds that you are changing lanes you are only traveling 59 mph north and 1 mph east. This concept also applies to the spacetime continuum, at the speed of light time does not exist because light travels so fast through "space" it has no speed in the direction of "time". This is an interesting and mind boggling realization, it means were you to reach the speed of light time would be frozen... you would not be able to slow down(ofcourse this is as of yet impossible because it takes an infinite amount of energy to propel something to the speed of light, not to mention the traveling particle must be massless.)

Time is just a word. There is a deeper meaning to the word i unfortuatly don;t know what it is

Ok then tell me reality was not there before the universe.


Well like I said before time is just a label you use it to have order in reality.


Yes physics does work but I'm talking about reality please tell me how does reality obey physics or is it not objects in reality obey physics


Look forward into reading it nothing good for the brain like knowledge.



You guys act like I said time did not exist in physics, I am talking about reality before the universe started there must have been reality but does it mean the current laws of physics was the same can you prove the laws of physics were the same, to my knowledge of "M Theory" and multiple dimension, each universe has different laws of physics. Thus the possibility of physics without time is feasible. And when this universe ends does reality goes away with it, I don't think so, but reality will always be, no matter who or what will be there to perceive it as real.

Reality and physics has nothing to do with each other because the law of physics is within reality the laws of physics does not govern reality, what it governs is objects, (masses or whatever you guys call it) in reality.

I believe that time only exists here on earth. In the spirit realms time is irrelivent. Like that one saying in the bible for example about a day in heaven is like a thousand yrs on the earth or something like that..

Now that I think about it because of physics that Zaus reminded me of, then yes objects can exist outside of time my question of reality is a different subject and irrelevant to your question sorry I wasted your time. I cannot answer this but, Zaus put it like this though.

By his explanation it might be a chaotic place where objects get lost in space and can't tell where they are positioned or where they are going.

take a close look at this quote... at the top... right after your name... whats that say? YESTERDAY, 11:08 AM. I let my point stand...



physics is the theoretical framework of reality. are you trying to say physics doesn't explain reality?



physics tries to explain reality... oh I give up, wait no i dont.



First of all "M-Theory says nothing about different universes having different physics, where are you getting your information?

Second of all heres "M Theory" in a nutshell:

"M-Theory" explains our universe enclosed in a three-brane, with possible extra dimensions that are very small and curled up in calabi-yun shapes or very large dimensions that cannot be seen. This is because visible light(made of open strings) cannot leave the three-brane dimension we live in, thus visible light cannot show evidence of multiple dimensions, even though the extra dimensions are required for string vibrational patterns to create the fundamental particles of the PHYSICAL(A.K.A. reality) universe. These particles make up the standard model that, if the properties of which were slightly different, the universe would have unfurled completely different and we wouldn't be here arguing over such a stupid idea...

just read the god damn book and leave me alone.

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Look Zaus please don’t get mad about what I post, just kindly don’t respond, if you don’t like it don‘t post, I can take a hint when my post are ignored. Who cares life is to short.

I am not into physics like you obviously are, but when programs on PBS, Discovery Channel, the History Channel, TLC, or any educational channel talk about string theory or super string theory or M theory. And have award winning credible scientist say other universes exist and singularity are just membranes of parallel universes colliding to cause the big bang and a chain reaction starts, exploding other universes, and they become stable and expand until they collide again starting all over again for eternity. These universes have different laws of physics and particles, and when they expand a collide again they make new universes with different laws and particles.

I don’t know why I said “M Theory” maybe because they said M theory was String, Super String, and other theories but together. What do you expect me to think. I’m not a physicist I wont argue what these people say, I think there right, I don‘t have time to spend years studying physics. So if other laws exist then how could the laws of physics of this universe be the definite law of what is reality, could it not be possible that other universes have different particles, strings or more or less membranes and different laws. Using what these scientist say, Why I can’t philosophize that the laws don’t govern or explain “reality.” And if there theory of colliding universes are true then singularity will never be solved, reality just exist in my opinion is that a fact no, but the big bang being the beginning of reality is not true also.


I'm sorry for this bold and foolish statement I should of said it differently. I just wanted to say, the idea that time moves forward is actually nothing more than just a psycological process that creates the illusion of time passing by. I was not looking to define what physics is.

Thank you Super Pancake. It takes a strong person to admit they were wrong, so many people just wont accept the truth. I'm sorry for being so agressive, but im glad you are smart enough to change your stance when faced with facts.


BTW all the info I got was from "Fabric of the Cosmos".

P.S. Sorry agian...

to answer the subjects question, i will say "no" things can not exist outside of time as with out time there is no space and with out space there can not be anything, sorry if this has allready been stated