Silver C of course you are a Goddess. We are all a part of the God and Goddess and they are a part of us. Technically that makes us all Gods and Goddesses. I like to think of us as Gods and Goddesses in training.

As a lot of ya'll know I have been through a very hard time recently. As I lay there screaming in pain in the hospital, I called out to my Goddess. She came to me; she held me and comforted me like I was a child. Illness, pain, Death is a part of life as are joy, happiness, and hope. We learn from them. They are a part of being alive. Being a christian does not spare you from illness, nor does being any other religion. The Gods help and comfort, but the rest is nature. I think healing comes from with in us. We have the ability to change our fate and heal ourselves to a point. Everything dies that is life.
79kip- (excuse that my cat decided to type something. I wonder what it means... )

If you put it that way...

And I'm glad She was there to help you when you were in need *hugs* Her love is the best of all.. that of a mother...

You're really kewl, ya know?

She's a goddess becuz she understands people and has a firm sense of right and wrong. We should all be like you, SC

As Ashley said, you can believe whatcha wanta, but be careful about the Satan thing... Just wanta see you all in Heaven one day...

Oh yeah I did sound a little insulting there about the Egyptians... sorry...

And it was just their army. God does this just to show us His powers. Hehe, to tell ou the truth, I think I've seen to much of His powers... lol...

I respect your beliefs, and I really do hope to one day meet you...

i second the motion....i believe in the existence of God...it'e like the wind....i can't see it but i can feel it...

it's the so called faith................i know someday all of us will realize this thing.......but i respect your views guy.I do agree with DAKONG......

And what if God is the evil one trying to convince you to follow him, and an afterlife with him would be hell, and Satan is the good one which is trying to help us, and afterlife with him is paradise?

Stop trying to twist people's beliefs Stellar. You're an athiest, you really have no need to be discussing God, nor God's conduct whatsoever, especially not the way you do.

Hey, man calm down! I'm trying to be nice to you, so don't lash out on me.



Thanks, Gaurdian.

no prob dude

I think being "like me" would kill a few people *snickers*

*takes out bug spray, lighter fluid, and matches*

Who should we get first?

Just kidding! Hey, but you are pretty cool.

yeah...a believer and skeptic in harmony

tis been a long time since i've seen one of those...

Who's a skeptic?

Im not twisting anyones beliefs. Im not telling him that the alternate version is correct, I'm simply saying that, as she told me to be careful about the whole Satan deal, she should be equally careful about the whole god deal...



I can talk about it all I like. You're not the one dictating the rules here.



Im not lashing out, I'm asking you a question. Why do you always assume people are angry?

Your a skeptic on the Christian deal, yet i'm a skeptic on the theory of evolution, aren't we all skeptics and believers

I know your a deist, and I respect you for that. I hope you didn't get me the wrong way

You show no compassion(IMHO)

I'm not a deist... I'm a believer in the Goddess and gods...

if anything I'm a Shamamic Druid.

I wish I could see one, then.

Uhh dude I'm male

And it's okay I know what you meant but you did say it in kind of a mean way... but it's okay





Awesome

Sorry I misunderstood you. A Shamamic Druid eh? Interesting...just to point out, my religion has demons, angels and miracles, so its quite assuming of past mythologies. But I'd like to know more of your philosophy/religion, maybe its like mine...

Someday.. maybe.

Tell me how you got that from my post? Did you get the same from DaKongs post?

Either way, I'm not required to show compassion... I can be as cold as I like, as long as I'm not insulting.



Argh. I wrote he at the beginning, I dont know why I wrote "she" after that. Must be a habit I developped... you know... with so many of my posts directed at ashley...

Stellar has Ashley on the brain!

Its just the impression you give to me....cold. I've met a few good skeptics that like to accept the victories I offer, but you are pure knowledge and just stick to making sure nothing goes wrong...kinda like the police .

Im not here to get victories, I'm here to get my point across as efficiently as possible.

Hehe, quite the person filled with wisdom you are

I'm unarmed...you have ignored SilverCrougers post...Ashley is in your mind!

Could you possibly rephrase that...?

ROFL Do I gotta?

One eye witness account should not be enough to base the Bible on. What if I said I saw Zeus last night, and he gave me the power to shoot thunderbolts yet I have never proven that I can shoot thunderbolts. Should I be respected and believed? NO. For all we know, someone dressed as Mary that knew how to sweet talk could easily have someone confess "honestly"

I've also noticed people almost joking about SilverCougar, does that mean we joke about the Bible as well?

Meh I'm used to it. I get a ton of snide comments by verious people. About my beliefs, my looks, my art... *shrugs*

I know what you mean...I just hadn't seen member I respected get slammed so much. Hopefully people will learn eventually, but for now it's best to ignore it all.

You are entirely missing the point and the last sentence there. Shall I requote?



They are BOTH telling the same account millenia apart and without knowing about the other. Excluded texts AREN'T availble to the general public unless you know about them and pre-internet, just about NO ONE knew about them. This account of seeing Mary happened in the 70's onwards. And it's not the only case where such information has been passed, either through dreams or visions which has been written previously in excluded texts. That there is the credibility. No one can be making up something which they didn't even know existed and then years later see it written in an excluded text, unless what they the information they got WAS correct to begin with.

I do believe there is a reason such texts have been kept out of the public's eye for so long. And part of that is the fact that they remain pure texts.

Hmm, Im starting to understand more, I was quite a bit confused I see. Although I still question how YOU know and they didn't, I can believe you, even though strange things like this happen every day. It's a good story but it's still not very convincing.

God tests our faith to see who we really are and where we lie in the piont of or thinking. Things may kill people and people may kill people, but god does not reward us till the pearly gates and the is with eternal life without pain and suffering. he gave us ten simple rules to follow and if you can't he will still take you into heaven but he wish to know who knows and who does not know.


But remember we are not here to judge people but to share or thoughts

I thought he knew everything?

The recent terrorist attacks in NYC and Washington demonstrated a hideous form
of evil that we were not accustomed to. Many are turning to God for strength and
healing. Others are asking why a loving God would allow this to happen. This question
could be generalized to, how can a loving God allow evil things to happen? People have
raised this question before. I believe the only answer is given in the Bible because it is
only through the Bible that we are able to understand God. He is so awesome that we
must look outside of ourselves for answers. We must look to His special revelation
(the Bible) for the answers. Let us start by looking at what the Bible reveals regarding
God's attributes (1) (i.e. what is He like?):

1)Life - God is alive like no one else. He does not depend on anyone or
anything. (Jeremiah 10:10)
2)Unity - God is one in number. Having the one divine nature, the three Persons of the
Trinity are one God, not three Gods. (1 Timothy 2:5)
3)Immutability - God is unchanging. He is the same, yesterday, today, and
tomorrow -- forever. (Psalms 102:25-27)
4)Infinity - God is without limits. He is not limited like we are. (Psalms 145:3)
5)Truthfulness - God is genuine. He is reliable. He always tells the truth. (1 John 5:20)
6)Faithfulness - God is reliable and loyal (Hebrews 10:23, Deuteronomy 7:9)
7)Eternality - God has no beginning and no ending. (Deuteronomy 33:27)
8)Immensity - God cannot be measured. (1 Kings 8:27)
9)Omnipresence - God is everywhere at once. (Psalms 139:7-10)
10)Omniscience - God knows everything. (Job 37:16)
11)Omnipotence - God is all powerful. He is The Almighty God. (Genesis 17:1)
12)Wisdom - God has all the know how. He always knows what to do, when to do it,
and how to do it. (1 Timothy 1:17)
13)Holiness - God is above all things and set apart from sin. (Habakkuk 1:12-13)
14)Righteousness and Justice - God always does the right thing and He is fair.
(Psalms 145:7, Isaiah 45:21) God demands payment for sin. His Word explains that
without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin (Hebrews 9:22)
15)Goodness - God is good and does good. (Nahum 1:7)
16)Love - God is caring and loving. (John 3:16)
17)Hatred - God hates evildoers. (Psalms 5:5)
18)Grace - We sin against God but He gives us what we do not deserve. (Ephesians 2:8-9)
19)Mercy - God shows us compassion. He does not punish even though we deserve it.
(Deuteronomy 4:31)
20)Longsuffering - God is patient with us His people. (Psalms 86:14-17)
21)Sovereignty - God is in charge at all times. He is in the highest position.
(Deuteronomy 10:14)

Understanding these attributes is key towards understanding God and answering
questions about Him. From attributes #9 and #10 we know that God knew the recent
terrorist acts were going to happen. From attributes #11 and #21 we know He could have
stopped them but chose not to. From Exodus 20:13 ("You shall not murder") we know
that God considers these acts sinful. Sin means missing the mark of what God
commands for human beings. So the question remains why did He allow the attacks?
Some are saying that God gave us a free will and we choose to do these things. However,
God does not approve of these actions. That is certainly true but it is only part of the
answer. We pray every day for miracles so why didn't God stop these horrible acts of
war? We do not know specifically why God allowed this to happen. Tragedy befell Job
and God never told him why. Furthermore, Job's friends wrongly tried to say it was a
result of his sin, and God was displeased with their explanation (see the book of Job).
However, the Bible does provide some answers that can be very helpful.
These answers are unique and unequaled in other religions! We should recognize that
the Bible does explain the following:

1)How did sin begin?
2)What has God done about sin in the past?
3)What is God currently doing about sin?
4)What will God do about sin in the future?
5)How has God used sin in the past?

How did sin begin? We know from the first book of the Bible, Genesis, that God
did not create sin. Genesis 1:31 tells us that everything God originally created was good.
The problem started when we exercised our free will and disobeyed God. Being free
moral agents with self-determination, God gave us the choice to obey Him or sin. Sadly
we chose sin, the sin force entered the race, was propagated to the first child (Genesis
4:8) and exists in every one of us to some degree (Romans 3:22-24). The terrorists were
exercising their free will when they committed these recent hideous crimes. The careful
reader may ask, why did God allow sin in the first place if He is omnipotent and
sovereign? It is at this level that we, as finite human beings, cannot completely
understand. Furthermore, God has told us that He has not revealed everything to us: "The
secret things belong to the LORD our God, but those things which are revealed belong to
us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law." (Deuteronomy
29:29 NKJV) Dr. Floyd Barackman has said this: "Since God's absolute sovereignty and
man's responsibility are both the teachings of Scripture, we must accept these humanly
irresolvable truths by faith."(1) It should comfort you to know that roughly 2000 years ago,
God sent Jesus, His only begotten Son to this earth to condescend and take on human
flesh. He dwelt among us and demonstrated the loving character of God to us. As a
matter of fact, He was God (#2). He also faced terror in a way that we never will.
Sinful men crucified Him but God had a plan. "This man was handed over to you by God's
set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death
by nailing him to the cross." (Acts 2:23 NIV) As hard as it is for us to accept, the Bible
teaches that God is always in control and always has a plan--even for these terrorists
attacks! Please read on, the best is yet to come!

What has God done about sin in the past? God has solved the problem of sin for
each and every one of us! We know that God is perfect and demands perfection (#13).
However, we also know from everyday life, and the Bible, that people commit sins
(Romans 3:9-18). Obviously there are different degrees of sin. Here we have witnessed a
grotesque and awful act of sin. We know from attributes #14 and #17 that God takes sin
seriously. However, He also possesses grace (#18), love (#16), and mercy (#19). So how
does a loving God full of grace remain holy and just? The Bible explains that Jesus died
on the cross of Calvary to satisfy God's justice, holiness and hatred for sin. Now when
anyone applies His vicarious atonement to their personal sin, God can then show His
love, mercy and grace to them. We also know that when someone asks God to apply Jesus'
work to their lives, he or she receives the Holy Spirit (third person of the Godhead, see
#2) (John 14:16-17) who gives them strength to live a holy life and overcome personal
sin. Death no longer holds terror to true believers because His Spirit bears witness with
our spirit that we are children of God. Furthermore, His Spirit ministers to us through the
Bible and assures us that death is but a passing into His presence! So, sending Jesus
Christ (the second person of the Godhead, see #2) is what God has done about sin. This
is God's plan and solution for sin in human beings--and it works! If you don't believe it,
find someone who truly believes the Bible and has accepted Jesus as their personal savior.
Ask them about the changes that took place when they trusted Christ! People who refuse
God's solution for sin are capable of horrendous acts of sin.

What is God currently doing about sin? The answer is that he is building His universal
church through the Bible, the atoning work of Jesus and His Holy Spirit (Matthew 16:17).
His church crosses all boundaries of race and geography. Today's miracles are in the
church, demonstrated in the lives of changed believers who have trusted Christ!

What God plans to do about sin in the future is defined through prophesy. The Bible
clearly explains that Jesus will return to earth again to rule and demonstrate how He
intended the world to function before mankind fell into sin. This is the doctrine of
eschatology, it is quite detailed and beyond the scope of this writing. If you believe and
study eschatology, it will give you the assurance you need to face whatever lies ahead!
So ultimately, God will destroy sin and terrorism will no longer take place!

How has God used sin in the past? God has used the effects of sin in the past to
chastise His people. The book of Habakkuk is an excellent example of this. It also
provides a rare dialogue between God and man regarding evil. Furthermore, much of the
Old Testament shows how God historically punished the nation of Israel by not
restraining the evil nations that surrounded them. 2 Chronicles 16:9 shows both God's
mercy and justice. We know that today, we are living in the times of the gentiles
(Galations 3:7-9). In other words God is working not only through Israel, but in every
nation and person across the globe that will believe in the gospel message of Jesus Christ.
Most likely, the recent terror is part of His larger plan to make sin clear to the world and
position the atoning work of Jesus as the only solution rather than punish America
specifically. This larger plan is clearly layed out in the Bible as mentioned above
(Biblical prophesy). However, we must remember our responsibility as a nation to honor
God and put our trust in Him--He is sovereign.

In conclusion, "why" may be the wrong question to ask (Deuteronomy 29:29). A
better question might be "what is my responsibility". This may be hard to accept but it is
the correct answer. We were made by God to obey, serve and glorify Him with our lives. If we have trusted Christ, we can honor Him through the direction of His Word and the Holy Spirit. We would not be here were it not for His creative work. His current solution for sin is redemption through Jesus Christ. He will ultimately remove sin but in His own time. We must examine
ourselves to see if we are in the family of God! Ask yourself if you have truly
believed and trusted Jesus with your sin. Once you have, you are a new creation
in Christ and born again. Please remember that God is sovereign (#21) and always
in control (Psalm 11). Even the evil acts that Jesus experienced (His crucifixion)
were under the complete control of God (Acts 2:23). Also remember that Jesus
cares and is touched by tragedies (John 11:35). Let us examine ourselves to
see if we are truly a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ. Next we should pray
for our leaders and encourage them to follow God's plan and laws.
Finally trust and obey in the Lord Jesus Christ and rest in the assurances of His Word.

1 Barackman, Floyd H. "Practical Christian Theology Examining the Great Doctrines of
the Faith"

Lil' Ms. Ashley,
It is obvious that you are talking in part by me and my topic of why I don't believe in God.

I would like for you to know that I was a believer in God, I believed in the cult, I believed that there was a magical man who created everything that I saw and touched. I believed that for the longest time until fate came around and torchured my innocent and young self. I still believed when I was getting beat, I still believed when I was getting raped every other night for months. I prayed every single night, that the 'bad man' wouldn't come into my room and take off his shorts and lie in bed with me. Hours after my crying and praying to God, there the bad man was coming inside my bedroom and into my bed. I prayed so much I cried, my pillow was drenched with tears. I was a child.
At Sunday school, they taught us to pray to God so that he would listen. After so many times of unanswered prayers, I came to the conclusion that He wasn't listening. or that he could care less. I began to stop believing shortly after the bad man was sentenced to prison for 15-40 years. You may say, "God answered your prayers." that would be a load of crap. If he did answer my prayers it would have been during the first time I prayed after the beating/raping.

Now that I am older, I DO know better. I am very intune with all of my surroundings. I now know that it was just lines (and lies) fed to me (and all members of the cult) for something to believe in. I do know the difference now, and that I won't subject myself to some bull fantasy that was a nice novel to sit down and read. Do you believe in everything that you read? The bible to me and most athiests is just a fictionious novel. No matter what any holy roller may say it won't change our views, so save your breath. I don't expect you to stop believing in your faith becasue I don't believe in them. I respect most who respect me, if you don't give me that, why should I give it to you?

To answer your forum question. Why doesn't God help people? Well, Ms. Ashley, He doesn't exist.

*sits and waits for responce*

Tis okay, Stellar. Did the same with a friend at school

Uhh being as cold as you like won't get you many friends on the schoolyard, dude.


Kinda disregarded the "We are not here to judge people," there.

I'm at school again. Two cliques are fighting each other. One's the Believer Clique. The other's the Skeptic Clique. And I'm all alone in this seemingly endless void. I'd like a friend to join me.

Why doesn't God help people?

My Webpage
This is why

Hey Free... Do you mind if I sit and wait with you?

Im not "cold" in RL.

If your not cold in real-life then what gives you the notion that it's okay in a forum? Just curious...

He's not cold here... he's factual and ornery

You might think I'm cold, others dont. I, honestly, dont give a damn if you think I'm cold. Theres no rule here saying someone has to be warm or cold. I dont have to give a damn.

Oh sorry misinterpreted back there. I though you said that you were cold on the forums and just not in real-life.

sorry

my older brother was 13 he died of cancer. at the time i was only 6 and did not understand why god would take some one so young and make it so painful. to this day i still dont understand, i have delt with depression and drug addiction but still i can not see the reasons perhaps i never will. but i have come to this conclusion that solves all the problems..... god does not exist if he did no one would die painfully there would be no war, no hate just love and happiness. God is just an imaginary figure to give people hope and to know that even when they have no one that they still have god...

Your story made me cry.

I'm gonna say a little prayer for you tonight.

You know, I watched a documentary on Stone Henge earlier tonight and I heard something quite interesting. (National Geographic Channel)

During the ice age and early Stone age men hunted big game and this was a fun, succesfull and fruitful means of living. After much of the big game vanished from parts of Europe shortly after the Ice Age, men tried hunting and surviving on smaller game such as rabbits, which they soon found out would not support them like big game. Men turned to agriculture and farming, and this is when intense competition spawned. Disputes gradually spawned war and conflict, and probaby gave us the basis of the terrible and ignorant general society we have today.

Now, saying God is real, we now know that God has no hand in wars and conflicts, or death. Humans do, and it's a choice by those in power to take lives. Power has corrupted for a very long time, and look what a powerful and "mighty" government and society has given us?

Sorry about your loss GUY. Cancer is a hard way to go and that is one of the biggest reasons I don't believe either.

HELLO?!?! ASHLEY?!?!!
If you are gonna have a forum to bash nonbelievers why don't u respond to them? see my responce to your forum on page 6.

another thing. Athiests may talk about how they feel about God anyway they please. It isn't up to you to decide if it is right or wrong on the words used. ex. your cruelness to stellar. I thought christians and holy rollers were supposed to be nice, looks like the athiests are getting the better reputation on that.

ALIEN Child,
I so feel your pain. The pain can get to be so unreal that it feels like a million daggers tearing threw your flesh into your soul, making it so hard to breathe. Your tears fall continuasly so you find your self drenched in the sorrow. I know, I have been there more times than one. It does get easier day by day, week by week, year by year. Remember them memories and keep them dear inside your heart. When and if you marry, have children, watch them succeed know that you brother is proud of you. It is easier to deal with the pain if you always keep them alive in your heart.
If there was a God why would he/she favor some and not all of its creations? Seems like some people just have it good regardless if they believe or not. I can't pray for you casue I don't believe in the hype, but do know that you are in my thoughts. be strong and always know that your brother is there when ever you need him to be regardless if you can see him or not.

Stellar: I don't think that you are a cold person, I find your posts to be very intelligent and people who don't believe in the same things it makes it hard for them to become open minded. Sometimes you have to be cold and bitter to get your point across, just keep your heart warm, you don't want it to freeze. lol. keep it real!

I think gos doesnt help us because god isnt real, my mum is going 4 an op soon and she may have cancer, if god kills my mum he isnt only punishing my mum but me and my whole family and that isnt fair