German book claims Nazis tested crude nuclear device in 1945; hundreds killed
Last updated 4:17pm EST 03/14/2005
BERLIN (AP) - Nazi scientists trying to build an atomic bomb set off a test explosion two months before the end of the Second World War, killing hundreds of people in eastern Germany, a German researcher claims in a book published Monday.
Hitler's Bomb theorizes that the March 1945 device didn't achieve fission, but did scatter telltale radioactive particles at the Ohrdruf test site. It also claims that Nazi Germany briefly had a working nuclear reactor, something historians generally dispute.

Author Rainer Karlsch, an economic historian, offers no first-hand proof, saying his account is an interpretation of available evidence and he hopes it will spur more research.

He said soil samples from the Ohrdruf site he had analysed for his book turned up above-average levels of radioactive isotopes such as cesium 137 and cobalt 60, though he quotes the testers as saying the site poses no radiation hazard.

However, access to what he believes was ground zero was barred because of old munitions at the site, which served as a Soviet military training area in East Germany after the war.

A U.S. mission that arrived in Germany with American troops in 1945 to investigate the German atomic bomb program concluded that the Germans were nowhere near making a nuclear weapon.

Karlsch doesn't claim they were near. But based on witness accounts recorded after the war, postwar Allied aerial photos and Soviet military intelligence reports, he argues that a test blast happened March 3, 1945, at Ohrdruf, then being run as a Nazi concentration camp. He says there probably were several previous tests.

"Hitler's bomb - a tactical nuclear weapon with a potential for destruction far below that of the two American atomic bombs - was tested successfully several times shortly before the end of the war," the book says.

Gerald Holton, a professor of physics and the history of science at Harvard University, said the main scientists in the Nazi atomic bomb program never mentioned a test blast or having built a working nuclear reactor.

British intelligence bugged the scientists, including key planner Walther Gerlach, while they were interned at Farm Hall manor in England after the war.

Any claims of a Nazi test blast "would have to have a lot of documentary evidence behind it," Holton said.

"It also would have to be checked against the remarks that Gerlach made during his period at Farm Hall ... where none of that sort of planning was discussed by him or anyone else."

Karlsch says scientists around Gerlach had "a certain amount" of enriched uranium from an as yet unknown source.

The German device probably was a 1.8-tonne cylinder containing enriched uranium, he writes. The amount of uranium was small, meaning the conventional explosives used to trigger the device did not set off a vastly more destructive nuclear chain reaction, Karlsch said.

That would mesh with an account Karlsch said he found in Soviet military archives, apparently based on information from a German informant, that said the blast felled trees within a radius of about 500 metres.

Witnesses reported a bright flash of light and a column of smoke over the area that day, and residents said they had nausea and nosebleeds for days afterward, Karlsch says.

One witness said he helped burn heaps of corpses inside the military area the next day. They were hairless and some had blisters and "raw, red flesh."

Karlsch concludes that the blast killed several hundred prisoners of war and inmates forced to work at the site. Two months later, on May 8, 1945, Nazi Germany surrendered after the Soviets captured Berlin.

The book also seeks to turn attention from famous physicists like Werner Heisenberg and Carl Friedrich von Weizsaecker, who historians believe were often ambivalent about building a nuclear bomb for Hitler, to lesser-known but fiercely ambitious scientists and Nazi officials who Karlsch theorizes were directly involved in the testing program.

Physicist Jeremy Bernstein, who edited the Farm Hall transcripts for the book Hitler's Uranium Club: The Secret Recordings at Farm Hall, said a key question was where the enriched uranium could have come from.

"To enrich uranium, you need an plant the size of Oak Ridge, and the Germans never had one," he said, referring to the sprawling U.S. facility that produced enriched uranium for the Hiroshima bomb.

Russian officials were unaware of any such test by the Germans, said Nikolai Shingaryov, a spokesman for Russia's Federal Nuclear Agency. "Of course we don't know everything, but we don't have data about this," he said.



© The Canadian Press, 2005

The real threat that Nazi Germany posed is still not fully understood, and as more facts now come to light sixty years later, we have to wonder when the truths behind 9/11 will start surfacing

What how 9/11 is that related to the article.

An amusing story but doubtful. If Hitler had a bomb like this that was testing succsesfully he would have put it into use. Heck I"d fully expect he would have been testing any serious prototype on concentration camps left and right just to mass kill as many jews as he could before he went out of power. It really seems an improbable theory which means that yeah its just like the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense.

all though they did have some amazing prototype Aircraft that if the war had gone on longer may have brought the fight, or at least the bombings to U.S. soil. History may have been quite different.

I believe what he may be saying, is that Germany and others in Europe may have had a hand in 9/11...

Dunno about that, but I would like to hear more, just to clarify this post for myself and the others in here

if 9/11 was planned, I doubt anytime soon there will be any information leaked. maybe 10 years after everyone who witnessed it or was in on it was dead, then they would release SOME information.

Hasnt it been proven that the German Scientists were brought over to America to finish their work on the bomb??
Im an american, And i know for a fact, we are just new age'd nazi's.. Well at least our government.. Well hell, Americans follow our government just like ther Germans did.. Now all we need to be told is that we are the supreme Race, and that we must purify the world, so we can take it over and start another World War.. Personally, I think someone just needs to bust a slug in bush..

Ypur absolutely right we don't round up minority groups and mass slaughter them, we don't burn any books deemed dangerous, we haven't tried to conqour the entire world, we don't arrest or execute people for making statements like you just did. Um wait how is any of that like Nazi Germany. Be greatful this country is nothing like Hitler's rule if it was you'd be shot to death for saying that.

The difference is now, that we slaughter people from a nice safe distance away. A man on a computer pressing buttons gets to do mass slaughter.. No we arnt mass killing people in gas chambers, Yet we have the right to attack both Military, and non military people in other countries for no reason? We dont burn books, correct: There is a nice new way of burning books, its called keeping you in the dark, and when someone does find something out they shouldnt know about, call them crazy.. Very simple, and draws less attention.. "We dont arrest people for making statements like I just did??" Actually there was a 6TH grader that Wrote a letter similar to what I did, and guess what Shirlock, HE GOT ARRESTED!!!
Maybe you will go into how we dont put barcodes on people right?? Tell that to people in americas prison system. Our Government is just smarter then what theirs was.. The amount of people in prison in the US has more then TRIPLED, since the late 70's early 80's.. Why would the government do that, I hear you ready to ask.. Well its because They make OVER 100$ US PER DAY, PER CHARGE, THAT AN INMATE IS IN PRISON FOR! But dont worry, the inmate gets a good 47 cents a day out of that, to put toward their education.. pffff.. Just cause u dont like to have the finger pointed at our government, doesnt mean that our government doesnt need to change the OBVIOUS things that are wrong..

Its a long way from war to genocide. As for no reason really what do you mean by that. Obviously not IRaq there are plenty of logical reasons there. As to the kid lets see documentation. Where exactly was it sent? Which news media reported the story. Its not that I dislike people pointing fingers at the goverment its that I find ultra liberals who attack the govt annoying. If the US is that bad why don't you move? Could be because while this country isn't perfect its better than every where else? We have more rights and freedom then any one. You use the freedom but ignore the fact you have it. If this was Germany you and the kid would be murdered period end of discussion. As to hiding information what information? Any naive moron can write any thing he likes and publish it and people will read it. Do they release every bit of info on every thing they ever do? Hell no but no sane person who thinks the matter through would think any less. Grow up and study what Nazism really was. Maybe then you'll realize how lucky you are not to live in the US.

Brought over? No they fled here from Hitler's regime. Its well documented Hitler wanted nothing to do with as he called it "that jewish physics."

After world war two there were actually several secret programs intended to bring all the best german scientists from the war into america before russia got to them, despite the fact that they were nazis and several had been tried for war crimes. One was "Project Paperclip", a program designed to allow nazi scientists to stay. After several U.S. scientists protested, including Albert Einstein, the government claimed that it was safer to have them here than in Germany. They may also have wanted to keep them to make sure that Germany could not get an atomic bomb and rebuild its war machine.

Good point and I"m inclined to agree with the Govt. I'd rather the inventions of the scientists wound up in our hands then in Stalins.

Really? The Us doesn't?

Of course Hitler would have developed something like a nuke. Those Nazi bastards were always on the look for new weapons the further their perverted cause. But really a nuke? I don't think so. It was probably a conventional bomb which would spread some nuclear material.

But the book says it was tested just outside Berlin. Now I'm not an expert in Nuclear decay, but if it was tested there wouldn't the traces be still around? I don't think Uranium or Plutonium decays so fast that the traces would be gone after 60 years.

So I think the story is a bit exaggerated but not unlikely.

"They may also have wanted to keep them to make sure that Germany could not get an atomic bomb and rebuild its war machine. "
Germany was dead.
It was Russia getting their hands on the same scientists that they were worried about
The nazi's luckily hated communism even more than the U.S. did which made them excellent bedfellows
Go ask werner von braun.

World War II: NAZI Atomic Program

It is widely assumed that the Germans did not produce an atmoic bomb during World War II because they lacked the resources to devote to the project during the War. The actual reason is much more complicated. Actually tremendous resources were avaoilable to the NAZIs. Many were poorly utilized. Some claim that the leading German scientidsts led the research now a fruitless path on purpose. There is little evidence to substantiate this claim. We do know that other factors affected the NAZI bomb program. Driving out leading physicists because they were Jews or sympathetic to the Jews deprived the NAZIs of some of the greatest minds in physics. The failure to use the sciences of captive narions and the view of nuclear physics as Jewish scince were other factors. Also Hitler was uninterested in long-term projects.


German Science
Germany in the early 20th century had the strongest scientific establishment in Europe. German scientists rotinely received the largest number of Nobel prices in scientific fields. This did ot chnge until the NAZI's seized power in 1933. After the NAZI seizure, Jewish scientists as well as anti-NAZIs their position. After 1933, America became increasingly dominate in Nobel scientific awards. Despite a decline in German scientific dominance, the NAZIs still had access to a huge scientific establishment for their weapons and armament program.


German Nuclear Physics (1938)
German physicists Otto Hahan and Fritz Strassmann at the Kaisser Wilhelm Institute demonstrated the phenomenon of nuclear fission. Lise Meitner (1878-1968), an eminent scientist who became famous working at the neutron bombardment experiments with Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassmann (who both got the Nobel prize for physics, while Meitner did not). NAZI Germany had an aggressive military weapons. This discovery by German physicists raised the possibility of a NAZI German nuclear weapons program. This terrified the European scientists that knew Fascism first hand. The Luftwaffe was already the being used to terrify Europe. The consequences of a NAZI Germany armed with nuclear weapons was too terrifying to imagine.


Kristallnacht
The NAZI campaign against Jews culminated in Kristallnacht, an brutal explosion of violence against Jews in Germany. Before Kristallnacht, the NAZIs had killed Jews in concetration camps and prisons behind closed doors. On Kristalnacht Jews were attacked and killed openly on the street or in their homes. There intentions cold no longer be doubted. The consequences for the atomic bomb project that among leading pysicists were many Jews or anti-NAZIs. These men recognized the true nature of the NAZI regime more than others the potential danger of a NAZI atomic bomb. After Kristallnacht, even men who might have had moral quams about building an atomic bomb, were prepared to do virtually anything to stop the NAZIs.


World War II
NAZI Germany in the first years of the War seemed unstopable. Hitler launches World War II with the invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939. The initial operations were dazzling successes for the Whermacht and Luftwaffe. Poland was smashed in a few weeks (1939). After Denmark, Norway was seized in a daring operation (1940), providing the Germany Kriegsmarine bases that greatly enhanced their operations. Then the stunning offensive in the West seized not only the low countries--but France. The French Army was the bulwark of the Allies war effot and was desimated by the Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht in weeks (1940). The Wehrmacht next lauched a stunning attack on Yugoslavia and Greece (1941). Then Hitler launched the operation he had dreamed of for years, the invasiobn of the Soviet Union which at first appeared to be a huge success.


German Advantages
The Germans initially had some advantages in the race to build an atomic bomb and through 1941 led in the race. The invasion of Norwayi 1940 gave them possession to heavy water plants. They had access to uranium ore. The Germans also posessed a nearly completed cyclotron. Germany despite 10 years of NAZI rule still possessed capable scientists and engineers and what many believed was the world's most important chemical engineering industry.


Problems
There were many factors that doomed the German atomic bomb program. The major factor was that building an atomic was an enormous undertaking requiring the massive allocation of resources. Germany never alocated the needed resources. There were several reasons for this. Perhaps the two greatest were the success in the early years of the War which led the Germans to believe that they were going to win the War without major economic sacrifices or expensive new weapon systems. Also Hitler was never convinced that the atomic bomb was a practical weapon. An important NAZI scientist (Lenard) argued that nuclear/Einsteinian theory was degenerate "Jewish science" which helped to deny nucear science the huge allocation of reources needed to build a bomb. Jews were an especially important compent of the German physics community. The NAZIs thus seriously weakened Germany's abiliy to build a bomb. In this regard it should be remembered that the American Manhatten Project was an international effort, including not only American and British scientists, but scientists from countries overrun by the NAZIs. [Rhodes] There were as was common in NAZI Germany, serious internal beaureaucratic struggles.


German Resources
Many argue that NAZI Germany simply did not have the resources to wage World War II and build the atomic bomb. This is patently incorrect. The NAZIs devoted enormous resources to a variety of weapns projects. The V-weapon program was one such project. [Overy] It also had to be remembered that after the fall of France in 1940, the NAZIs had the resources of almost all of Western Europe at their disposal. The industrial resources rivaled those of the United States. It was not industrial resources that impaired the NAZIs, but rather the poor utilization of the Germany's industrial and scientific base> The scientific-industrial base available to the NAZIs was significantly expanded by their war-time agressons. The combined scientific and industrial capacity of Belgium, Denmark, France, and the Netherlands was substantial, especially when combined with that of the Reich and Italy. While the NAZIs did utilize the output of industries in those countries, there appears to have been no effort to utilize the scientic establishment in those countries. Here we are unsure as to why the Germans did bot more efficently utilize the potential. The NAZI belief in German superiority was one factor. The belieft that they had essentially won the War until the reverses in the East was another factor. The probably legitimate concern with loyalty was another factor. Not only were the industries of some countries like France poorly incorporated into the NAZI war effort, but the Germans made serious mistakes as to the weapons systems which were allocated resources. The NAZIs after their early successes did not believe that radically new weaoons were needed. When it became clear by1943 that this was not the case, only projects which offered short term results were persued as German resources were shrinking.


Heisenberg
Some claim that the chief theoretical physicist (Heisenberg) deliberately persued unproductive directions to prevent the NAZIs from building an atomic bomb. [Powers] This is intensely debated by historians. [Pais] Heisenberg visited noted Danish phyicist Niels Bohr in occupied Denmark (September 1941). This is perhaps the most disputed scientific meeting in history. Bohr and Heisenberg have very different accounts of their meeting. Heisenberg after the War maintained his purpose was to broker a deal between scientists on both sides not to persuecan atomic bomb. Bohr strongly disputes this. Given that the NAZIs were not actively persuing a bomb, many contend that Heisenberg's purpose was espionage. [Corwell] Bohr excaped from Denmark to Sweden (August 1943), and subsequently to London, and on to Los Alamos. An important scientic error also impeded progress.


War Developments
As the War began to turn against Germany, resources became more difficult to obtain and the bomb project required a massive industrial effort. In addition, the allied bombing campaign further complicating any important industrial project. The Allies after the War arrested nine leading German nuclear scientists.


German Assessment
Recordings made sureptitiously at Farm Hall in England reveal that the German had in fact made little progress in building an atomic bomb. They had achieved so little success that thy did not belief that that the americans had exploded atomic bomb when they heard the first reports. (Typical NAZI attitude.) The Germans never were able to build a self-sustaining nuclear reactor. They failed to appreciate the differece between an atomic explosion and a reactor. Nor were they able to calculate the critical mass needed for a bomb. They even believed that plutonium was element 91. [Klotz]

source http://histclo.hispeed.com/essay/war/ww2/c...nazi-abomb.html

As another man pointed out for me KevinM, project paperclip was the program used to bring over nazi scientists.. So before you jump on me, make sure your Study on Nazism as you put it, is up to date.. As far as hiding information.. Ummmm, What info is the government not hiding?? In WW2/1 sorry little rusty, We had the BAR Rifle, The most powerful accurate rifle of the time. However our government would not issue them out in fear of them falling into the enemies hands.. Instead millions of americans were sent to war with insufficent weapons for trench fighting. Hey maybe another one.. Stealth bomber, finished in the 70's yet it wasnt shown to the public until the 90's.. Now come on KevinM. You say we have more rights and freedom then anyone correct?? Canada? Netherlands? I dont live in these places, im just trying to name some places where they have healthcare for all people?? Wouldnt national care actually show that the government cares, rather then tax cuts for the wealthy?? Hell KevinM, maybe you are wealthy, and thats why you get so emotional, you want to keep those tax cuts!

Another thing KevinM, only rich people in america are truly free. Go to a ghetto fool, and ask ANY 1 PERSON, ARE YOU FREE?? See if they dont laugh in your face, or slap the taste out of your mouth. Goto our Prison systems and see all the PETTY MINOR CRIMES carrying people on 1-5 year sentences. But hell, get a man carrying Marijuana in jail for 6 months, that is 182ish days, = 18,200 dollars into government pocket. Minus the 45 cents a day, the "criminal" is making. Well maybe im just a naive moron as you said. But at least I dont live in the dark.

"maybe im just a naive moron as you said."
ah thats where you learnt that word !

However in this case Its much better to aim it at Kevin he thinks he's free
Not you

Woahh, Who the hell is this guy? rofl... Guess he has low self esteem..

If anyone has any idea wtf this guy is talkin about.. Please inform the rest of us.. I dont speak jibberish =(

Try this site
It may help you to understand
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/

Well Marduk, i checked Aim it at R M, and nothing came up on your learn to speak english page.. Maybe you can find it?
Anyhow, on a thread about nazi's and the bomb, all you have brought to this thread is Stupidity, and ignorance, your usual input. So if you have any knowledge on this subject please hop in.. If not, please continue to show everyone how much of an idiot you are, Not to mention, how much of an idiot your parents raised.. lol

OK, enough with the personal jibes please. Friendly warning this time

Sorry thistle.. But you should read marduks posts.. This guy is a piece of work..

uhuh

me -

Thistle are you as HOT as your avatar suggests? Even close will be fine...

Heh...I've been wanting to ask.

Seems to me if Hitler did have a nuke, he would had used it..if the holocaust did happen he also killed christians..Its hard to beleive some things like the history channel. Just sayin..

if the holocaust did happen he also killed christians
1. are you saying that you don't believe that the holocaust actually happened
2. Sure he killed christians but only those who were homosexual or who happened to be political opponents

Im not sure..I wasnt there..so much is made up..But does seem to me if he did have a nuke he would had used it..

Adolf was only getting insane at the end of the war.

He wanted to conquer Britain, not so much destroy or pollute it. Some say he wanted to conquer it, because he was very much influenced by the occult and thought britain had many spiritual places. Others say he just wanted one big united Europe for the arians. (I favor the latter explanation).

If he had a nuke (or dirty bomb) in the beginning he wouldn't have used it on britain because it wasn't neccessary. The germans were quite on the winning hand. (Until they were crushed by the russian red army at stalingrad which marked a turning point in the war). So why deploy such a weapon knowing that you will conquer a country where no 'pure arians' can live. (He could always turn it into a concentration camp).

At the end of the war Hitler was so drugged and mentally ill that he was like that iraqi dude who gave those interviews. He thought they were still winning and he still didn't want to pollute britain and the 'pure arians' who lived there.

As for the US? Probably the germans didn't had a carrier for it.

But I still think they didn't have one. Or, as happened more often, a high german military official stopped it from being deployed. Not all were war-criminals.
(If only someone had stopped the US from bombing Japan.

The German could have developed the bomb actually but never saw the advantage of using it in Europe. After all the aftermath of such action would hurt more Germany than any other country (if they won). I remember as well that sometime back I read on the discovery of documents that seem to implicate both Germany and the USA in secret agreements over the development of prototype weapons. I am unable to locate the link but I will repost once I do.

Also regarding something mentioned earlier...



Not only Nazis friend. Lets not make Germans the only bad guys. Most countries in history display identical if not worse traits. Plus the USA was not exactly innocent either. They did use the atomic bomb 3 days after the treaty with Japan was signed. How is that for terrorism?

Intresting ... but doubtful.

Hitler wasn't exactly rareing at the bit to invade england and subjugate it to his will like the rest of Europe for two reasons.
1. he was best buddies with the duke of windsor the former king
2. He acknowledged that the english have the same ancestral roots as the germans and as such represented a pure bloodline

His intention was to have churchill replaced.
we don't speak about it much now but up until Chamberlain got off the plane with his valuable piece of paper we thought hitler was a jolly nice bloke
Any books of the period confirm this.
In fact if it hadn't been for churchill the outcome of WWII would have been very different
Hitler would have been unstoppable if he'd been allied to the english and indirectly that would have allied him to the states.
It was regarded as just another European war up until that point.

But as the say, "history is written by the victor"
Theres no doubt that the attack on pearl was with Hitlers collusion.
If he'd been allied to england it would have been entirely unneccesary.
Just think what would have happend to russia with germany attacking from the west and Japan attacking to the east.

The russians would have just used the same tactic they always use when being invaded. They withdraw and burn anything on their way. The invading troops get no resistance but find nu supplies either. Which makes for the supply routes to become much too long (especially in winter) and the invading forces are weakened.
Then when they finally encounter russian forces they are no match.

This is called:


The russians did that with napoleon and with hitler. And russia sure is big enough to do that in two directions.

We were considered pure-bloods two... but still we were invaded (and we put up fight... ... it took them exactly 4,5 days to overrun us. But that's still a lot better than denmark ). We were treated relatively well though, in contrary to polish people. But hitler would still have invaded... that's what all small dictators do to over-compensate a minority-complex

But I think hitler didn't die but fled to england. I saw him the other day on this show called Fawlty Towers. He looked much taller though.

Short....but vague.

I doubt the Japanese would have gotten very far into Russia. They sure did gain victories over the Russian Navy during the Russo-Japanese war.
But they were crushed by the Russians at the battle of Khalkin Gol during WWII, and put their plans of invading Russia to a halt.

and the fact that during WWII they were fighting on two fronts already with the english in singapore and the americans in the pacific isn't to be taken into account.
Lets face it if things had gone diiferently most of the earths surface would now be german territory

"But I think hitler didn't die but fled to england. I saw him the other day on this show called Fawlty Towers. He looked much taller though. "


When the fed up German asks Basil to stop going on about the war, Basil kindly reminds him that they started it. “We did not start it,” protests the German. “Yes you did, you invaded Poland”, replies Basil!

Raus
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I agree..Hitler was very sick from something..One of his arms was dead,cant think now what it was..
But that all the meds did drive him mad..My father was in WW2 and said we should had never bombed Japan.

damn nazi

Ok for one thing where did you get the idea Hitler wasn't interested in invading Englad like the rest of Europe? They had full plans for the invasion it was named Operation Sea Lion. The main problem they ran into was a tactical blunder some people think was possibly as bad or worse then his attack on Russia. For months Germany's airforce was obliterating England's air strips. For all the hoopla people talk about the RAF it was frozen because its airstrips were destroyed by the bombing runs. Eventually the English managed to rally enough planes to make a run on Berlin itself and thats where Hitler screwed up. He took the attack personally and ordered German bombers to attack London. This had two effects. The first was to pull bombers off the more strategicly important runs that were keeping the English planes grounded. The second was to rally the English people behind the war effort more then ever before. That blunder pretty much killed the attack.

In terms of the use of the Atomic bomb against Japan I'll be the first to admit it was one of the most tragic and horrific things this country has ever had to do to one of its enemies. The key thing to understand is they really had no better options. The Japanese were fanatics. They considered the war the will of a living God(the Emporer) and were ready to follow him to there deaths. Why do you think that pilots were willing to fly kamakazi missions. Think about the Al Quada of today and how determined they are. Now give that kind of thinking an entire nation to back it up and over a thousand years of religious teaching and warrior tradition to reinforce the beliefs and you get some idea of what Japan was willing to do to win. If we had opted to go with a ground war the death toll for both sides would have been catastrophic higher then the combined slaughter of both bombs and the war would have dragged on another 2 years. As horrific as dropping the bomb was its alternative was not really better.

I don't know where you got that information, but the USA used the A-Bomb against Hiroshima on August 6, 1945, after Japan rejected the terms of the Potsdam Declaration. On August 9 a second A-Bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. Japan sued for peace on August 10 and the official surrender was signed aboard the battleship Missouri on September 2, 1945. An actual treaty between the US and Japan didn't come into existence until the San Francisco Treaty was signed in 1951.

Hitler had a plan to invade into Britain, but it considered it a grand prize, just as the territories of Russia were, but for a whole different reason.
For Hitler, the British empire, which ruled over 40% of the world, and 30% of the world population, and where the sun has never set, virtually creating the largest empire in human history, was an example of Aryan superiority.
He admired the British, you can see that clearly in Mein Kampf.
But when he realised the British were a threat to German triumpth, he started hating the Brits just as the French (mind you, the French were considered Aryans as well) and the anti-Nazi germans.
Also, it should be noted that if the UK would have been conquered, the Welsh, Scots and Irish would have been gathered up and led into concentration camps. Sorry pals, only the english were considered Aryans in the eyes of the sick Nazi bastards.
As for england - it's fate would have probably resembled that of Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, and the other "Aryan" nations (ie - leaving the monarchy intact, and making sure the parliament is led by local Nazis).


Also, I doubt the Nazis were close to a real nuke, cause:
a. they kicked all the Jewish scientists, and the majority of Germany's phyisicists were Jews (or anti-Nazi).
b. Hitler considered nuclear physics to be "jewish science" (Einstein was a Jew after all).... the Nazis thus burned most of the books regarding the subject, rather than reading them .

I see you've been reading Winston Churchills memoirs.
Thats where that idea originated.
Its a nice theory but its not true. The R.A.F. started strategic bombing in the ruhr on the 15th may 1940. The air raid siren in london wasn't even used until 25 june 1940
The reason Hitler lost the battle of britain was because we had R.A.D.A.R. and he didn't. It was also because we had Spitfires and he didn't. Hitler gave Herman Goering carte blanche on whatever supplies he needed to succesfully destroy the R.A.F. Goering asked for a squadron of Spitfires. Hitler wasn't impressed
It was a secret til well after the war ended which is why Churchill bent the truth ever so slightly.
The folks of england didn't need any encouragement to hate the germans.
We've always hated them
and the french
and the spanish
and the norwegians
etc
etc
We are a nation of shopkeepers pah. we are a nation of Xenophobes.
Thats why the one country we lost a war to ended up as our best friends
We speak the same language and have or at least had the same idea of demmocracy.
Plus you guys love our royal family far more than we do
They're germans you know

marduk, i dont think u speak 4 the majority, man plus a major factor why germans lost the battle of britain was not as simple as that. back on topic, evidence suggest the germans may have experimented with the idea of a atomic bomb, and maybe had working prototype, however due to the nature of the war at the time, i dont think the nazis wuld have had the resources since the materials wuld have been hard to come buy anyway.
it is a popular thought however that the nazis had a doomsday device that was more advanced than any allied weapon or had sum other plans afoot.