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A&M
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What do you think?

Its fact, no?..
twinstead
I would love to believe there was an Alien crash there. I suspect, however, that then, as is probably the case now, it was a testing ground for military technology that we wanted to keep secret. At first a UFO cover story sounded good, but I think after they thought things over they realized they were opening a can of worms, and changed their story. I believe they didn't change the story for damage control to hide the fact they found a UFO, but for damage control because some numskull decided to run with the UFO story initially when there were probably much better ways to cover up their secret military tests. Like weather balloons wink2.gif

Typical government stuff, especially in those paranoid years in the dawn of the Cold War.

All of the secrecy involved there would be just as real if it was simply a military post testing new technology or they were hiding crashed aliens.

I will stick with the military technology theory, but for some reason I just can't dismiss the whole UFO thing out-of-hand; I'd love for there to be flying saucers and aliens.

A&M
Yes, that may be true... But thats what "they" want you to think right?
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"Almost immediately after the announcement had hit the World the F.B.I. insisted that all radio stations stop transmitting the news. Walt Whitmore , the owner of Radio KGFL, received phone calls from Clinton Anderson ( Congressman for New Mexico), Senator Dennis Chavez - both threatening to withdraw his broadcasting license if he transmitted an interview he had recorded with Mac Brazel. Radio KGFL - The owner was told " Do not broadcast or lose your license! "
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"Government Records: Results of a Search for Records
Concerning the 1947 Crash Near Roswell, New Mexico

United States General Accounting Office
National Security and International Affairs Division
Report to the Honorable Steven H. Schiff, House of Representatives



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On 8 July 1947, the Roswell Army Air Field public information office in Roswell, New Mexico, reported the crash and recovery of a "flying disc." Army Air Forces personnel from the 509th Bomb Group were credited with the recovery.

The following day, the press reported that the Commanding General of the U.S. Eighth Air Force, Fort Worth, Texas, announced that Roswell personnel had recovered a crashed radar-tracking (weather) balloon, not a "flying saucer."

After nearly 50 years, speculation continues on what crashed at Roswell. Some observers believe that the object was of extraterrestrial origin.

In the 1994 Report of Air Force Research Regarding the Roswell Incident, the Air Force did not dispute that something happened near Roswell, but reported that the most likely source of the wreckage was from a balloon-launched classified government project designed to determine the state of Soviet nuclear weapons research.

The debate on what crashed at Roswell continues.

Concerned that the Department of Defense was not providing all available information on the crash, the late U.S. Congressman from New Mexico, The Honorable Steven H. Schiff, demanded a new, detailed investigation. Schiff pushed the GAO to search for all government records concerning the Roswell crash.

This official report--by the Director of National Security Analysis--is considered the most complete ever made by the U.S. Government on this case. It examines a wide range of classified documents dating from July 1947 through the 1950s. These records came from numerous organizations in New Mexico and elsewhere throughout the Department of Defense, as well as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and the National Security Council.

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et's daddy
QUOTE(twinstead @ Mar 15 2005, 05:39 PM)
I would love to believe there was an Alien crash there. I suspect, however, that then, as is probably the case now, it was a testing ground for military technology that we wanted to keep secret. At first a UFO cover story sounded good, but I think after they thought things over they realized they were opening a can of worms, and changed their story. I believe they didn't change the story for damage control to hide the fact they found a UFO, but for damage control because some numskull decided to run with the UFO story initially when there were probably much better ways to cover up their secret military tests. Like weather balloons wink2.gif

Typical government stuff, especially in those paranoid years in the dawn of the Cold War.

All of the secrecy involved there would be just as real if it was simply a military post testing new technology or they were hiding crashed aliens.

I will stick with the military technology theory, but for some reason I just can't dismiss the whole UFO thing out-of-hand; I'd love for there to be flying saucers and aliens.
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i havent heard that explanation before

very interesting, the ufo story was just an unwisely chosen cover up

i think its possible but i dont believe it

you stick with that, ill stick with the ufo story and maybe someday we will both have the answer
twinstead
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you stick with that, ill stick with the ufo story and maybe someday we will both have the answer


LOL deal. I really hope you are the one who's right though.
A&M
I cant link the pic here for some reason, but the picture gallery here shows many "real" looking pics from around the world. Would it really be such a shock if we all found out that Aliens are real? Aliens who look just like us?

Would the general public go crazy like the goverment thinks? Would people be so freaked out they would commit mass suicide around the world, just from knowing we are not alone?

I dont think so...

The world is a different place now from the 1950's. (Most) People have open minds and wouldn't flip out about knowing the truth, they are, in fact- the people who already believe we are not alone.

It would be alot to take in, but it wouldnt drive me or anyone i know to want to die just from knowing.

Also, if you dont think Roswell was real(the UFO crashing part), how do you explain that "lazar" guy(forgot his name) who claims he worked at Roswell, and that he took apart other worldly craft through backward engineering? He had proof that he wasnt lying. He also claims he saw a folder full of the goverments Alien pictures and pictures of UFO's. I believe he claims many Aliens looked almost human.

Could they already be here?
twinstead
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Could they already be here?


I suspect that the aliens, if they do exist, do not come from another planetary system hundreds of light years away, but live here.

I think assuming that aliens must come from space and must not be human isn't thinking 'outside the box'.

But at the end of the day, we really have no idea who they are, where they come from and honestly if they even exist.

In my opinion, that is exactly what would happen if an advanced people were to visit us, or even live among us, yet not want us to know they exist; they would be only rumors.
et's daddy
i can believe that the aliens already live here somewhere

soooooo much we dont know about this planet

how about the surviving Atlanteans being now in hiding and considered the aliens ?
A&M
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Mar 20 2005, 07:18 PM)
i can believe that the aliens already live here somewhere

soooooo much we dont know about this planet

how about the surviving Atlanteans being now in hiding and considered the aliens ?
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et's daddy- please elaborate... I work alot and cannot stay up on all the mysteries i'd like to. Is this old news you speak of, or..?
et's daddy
wasnt anything i read just a theory i made up that seemed possible

sort of a gathering of theories

if Atlantis was real and most of them were lost
then the survivors went into hiding with their technology
they could be coming out now and being viewed as then aliens people see

of course that could also be the farthest thing from the truth
The Roswell Man
alien.gif who all know its noting e.t but was a government secret program right? huh.gif alien.gif
A&M
QUOTE(The Roswell Man @ Mar 21 2005, 11:32 AM)
alien.gif who all know its noting e.t but was a government secret program right? huh.gif  alien.gif
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Well, no we don't. Everybody that i've ever talked to doesnt believe that at all.

What with Bob Lazar coming out, saying he has seen alien beings and alien craft at Area 51 only makes me believe we are not alone.

Lazar claimed he worked for an unknown branch of the goverment,The United States Department of Naval Intelligence or the "Alien" branch- if you will. Yet when goverment officials were asked about this specific branch of goverment, it was totally denied by any and every person working for the goverment. Many laughed at the thought, and demanded proof... So, Here it is:

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An actual tax statement recieved for working for this branch of goverment that "doesn't exist".
dmgspycat
I agrea with Twinstead on this one...it is purely man-made technology. Probably military in origin but who's I don't know. Tesla was supposed to be working on some far out craft guided by radio waves. Just as an example. FBI also took everything the man was working on after he died. Though while he lived the US military pretended not to care. I think the secret would really lie with the private international corporations that built up Germanys war machine. Germany was the first to start working on the A-bomb, they had rocket propelled craft...they had radio controlled bombs and god only knows what the hell they were doing in Antarctica just before the end of WW2. We even sent our own forces there to deal with that in Operation Highjump but I do not think there was some kind of alien or e.t. involvement. Sorry to burst your bubble on the e.t. thing but it is just not practical to travel millions of light years to another planet. Look into RCA and Raytheon or General Electric. And just think what Tesla could do with electromagnetic radiation. Understanding the technology they were dealing with is the key to the UFO mystery. Alot of this technology went underground after we raided the Nazis underground bases where they were working on things of this nature but it is hard to nail down the facts.
Babs
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Mar 20 2005, 06:18 PM)
i can believe that the aliens already live here somewhere

soooooo much we dont know about this planet

how about the surviving Atlanteans being now in hiding and considered the aliens ?
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Hey, this isn't far off...I read of the Atlanteans or an advanced race that migrated inland.....I mean they journeyed inside the earth. They come out of the poles to fly around (earth) and into outer space. blink.gif
Neo2005
I still don't know what to think in terms of Roswell to many changed stories to find anything concrete
A&M
QUOTE(dmgspycat @ Mar 21 2005, 05:11 PM)
I agrea with Twinstead on this one...it is purely  man-made technology. Probably military in origin but who's I don't know. Tesla was supposed to be working on some far out craft guided by radio waves. Just as an example. FBI also took everything the man was working on after he died. Though while he lived the US military pretended not to care. I think the secret would really lie with the private international corporations that built up Germanys war machine. Germany was the first to start working on the A-bomb, they had rocket propelled craft...they had radio controlled bombs and god only knows what the hell they were doing in Antarctica just before the end of WW2. We even sent our own forces there to deal with that in Operation Highjump but I do not think there was some kind of alien or e.t. involvement. Sorry to burst your bubble on the e.t. thing but it is just not practical to travel millions of light years to another planet. Look into RCA and Raytheon or General Electric. And just think what Tesla could do with electromagnetic radiation. Understanding the technology they were dealing with is the key to the UFO mystery. Alot of this technology went underground after we raided the Nazis underground bases where they were working on things of this nature but it is hard to nail down the facts.
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I think you are on to something, I agree the secret could lie in the German war machine, but not how you think. Someone let the cat out of the bag, thats why the militaries original story of a crashed ufo was retracted. Lets face it, if you are in a war and you have the best most advanced craft and weapons imaginable, you dont want to just use it right away, kind of like saving the best for last or for when you have no other hope, thats when you bring out the "big guns"(And who's to say when we might have needed it against the Germans?)...

When someone realized it was a mistake to let the whole world know about our newfound technology and aircraft advances, because back then this kind of technology was a fairy tale, they wisely denied the original story. If they hadnt, they might run the risk of (A)Scaring the American public and (B)If it was known of and not denied, who's to say a spy couldnt just sneak in and steal the technology, because it would be a fact(and not a closely guarded secret like it is today). But as it is, its just a rumor. And every since the Roswell incident- Area 51 has been the most secure military installation in America, just how it should be.

Also, am i the only one who believes Bob Lazar when he says an Alien(who was still alive) was taken to Area 51 along with 3 other Alien bodies?(the other 3 had been deceased since the crash.)
Babs
Has anyone read The Day After Roswell...by Col. Philip J. Corso? Fantastic stuff. I imagine it would be hard to debunk this guy. He talks about the mysterious leap in technology back at the time after the Roswell crash in 47'. The entire field of circuit miniaturization exploded on the scene with the invention of the transistor and the first solid-state components. Transistor replaced the vacuum tube (Thomas Edison) in radios..... and microwave, laser, etc. (these inventions were used for military purposes and commercial products for the masses) came along behind that. These inventions kept coming til they lead all the way to the word processor and personal computer we have today. And think about the fantastic advances in our weaponry because of these inventions. Before that we lived in the dark ages and progress was very slow.

Corso, who was in the military, says the Roswell crash was the beginning of all these inventions. He says they took stuff off this UFO craft and the scientists, universities, companies and the military itself (without knowing where it came from) studied, re-studied and reversed engineered all this debris for years. And BINGO!
A&M
Thats a great point babs! I have even heard of people saying the internet is around today because of the technology we aquired from unearthly visiters, possibly from roswell. No im not talking about that "alienware" commercial, this story has been around since the internet first appeared.

Babs- you are obviously a smart person, i will read up on that book by mr. corso, thanks!
Babs
Thank you, A&M. original.gif I take Roswell pretty seriously. Is Lazer in the public eye again? I know he has been laying low for few years, all the publicity was getting to him. I believe what he says.
eckogangsta
It was an Alien Crash in my opinion.

Weather Balloon? Been Debunked.

Project MOGUL? Been Debunked.

Dummy Testing? Been Debunked.

Any other theories please inform me.

Then you have all the eye-witness accounts of alien bodies, strange hieroglyphic writings on debris, Government agents getting to Mac Brazel(original finder of debris) and telling him to never talk about the alien bodies he had seen.

The first week a disc crashed the government came out and said "A flying disc has been found and is now in the posession of the U.S. Army and is being shipped to Wrightfield for further inspection"
---Strange, pretty soon after that everyone across the country panicked and the government quickly said "oops, it was just a weatherballoon forget what we told you before" And the coverup rampage of the government began.

Once their coverups kept being debunked they still tried to make an excuse but at the current moment they have none since Project MOGUL was recently debunked.

One of the biggest Airforce Commander's during 1947 who was involved in the Roswell Coverup and was directly told by the President of the United States to keep Roswell's incident a secret and he never told anyone what he saw, even his own family. His granddaughter who always wanted to know what happened ask her grandfather what he actually saw at Roswell and why it was covered up, and after all these years of his keeping this secret from the world, he said on his deathbed:

"I saw creatures" alien.gif
The Roswell Man
the problem wiv bob lazar is he a credible witness tho huh.gif they were things he said about designs of ufos, programs etc that seemed intriguing, yet many were tring to discredit him. personally lazar case is conflicting, at best
Babs
Yes, I think they tried to discredit him and crack pots threatened him and his family, I believe... that is why he dropped out of the public eye. Well, we really don't know who threatened him...could have been the government. I don't know, that guy seemed to be so 'on the beam' (no pun intended). I believe him.
Babs
I was trying a while back to look up Lazar and found that he has gone back to his private life. I was hoping to hear more from him.
Babs
I saw a young Lazer on tv last night....sure wish he would come out of hiding and tell us more. alien.gif I think we can handle it wink2.gif ...

Trouble is... he got so much 'trouble' for his efforts, he got out of the spotlight. sad.gif
eckogangsta
What is it with people and Roswell?

They did not fly secret airplanes in New Mexico in 1947. There was plenty of room for that in California, where all the secret airplane projects were carried on.

And if it was a different countries techonology, it would have been released by now.

If what crashed was any kind of secret military apparatus, the Army would not have waited for a rancher to inform them of the crash before sending military personnel to examine the wreckage, five days after the crash.

Rockets and airplanes that were secret in 1947 are not secret now. If what crashed was a secret rocket or airplane, it would have been revealed as such years ago. Incredibly, the Army is sticking to it's weather balloon story, even though nobody believes it anymore.

Lets put two and two together people, its not that hard. But I know everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but COME ON ALREADY!

Most people truly know what happened. alien.gif

EDIT: I would also like to point out Roswell in inside the area known as "The Texas Triangle". It is one of the biggest UFO hotspots in the world.
Babs
Yes, I think it is a hotspot and we have quite a few hotspots for UFO's in the states.
A&M
You guys make some very good points. Can't say i disagree with any of them. It has been proven time and time again, people will believe what you tell them. So they told everyone it was a weather balloon. Its like they are saying to the eyewitnesses, "who do you believe, me or your lying eyes?".

Also, i dont know if i mentioned it, but Bob Lazar, in an interview, mentioned a new kind of technology that wasnt even invented at the time. You cant seriously believe he was lying? He is the key, please dont be ignorant to the truth!(I'm talking to the people who said "it was just a top secret weather ballon experiment", not to you wise believers)
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