I believe that the majority of the people on this site dont belive in telkinetic/psi/*u get the idea* is because its something that they can't see. Its something that they are having trouble comprehending. This *new discovery* can not be explained away as some nerve at work in the hands, ive tried many reasons why other people say its fake and non of them have proven true so far, for me neways. Just becaue u can't see it doesn not mean u cant feel it. There are monks training in tubet who can generate there own heat, there is that guy from rippley's who can warm a wet cloth with his hand, proven with videa recording heat thermal thing. I want to know why so many people want to dismiss the whole thing as a fake or not real.
Ive gotten kinda rusty, since i havent been on i 2 months, so i need people to start debating against or with me, i need to put some people on their places, well, attemp to neways, flame away, flame me all u want, im waiting.
O yea, i havent mentioned everything i wanted but i need to get into debating again. I am kinda rusty so plz dont flame me on the fact that this mightn't be one of the best topics on this particulare theury thing.
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Hmm, maybe i should try again tomoro morning there arent to many people on right now since its night time in america, im going now, feel free to post tho, ill bump it back up tomoro morning my time, l8as.
my theory of normal people:
they are scared to beleive of it or think it impossible or against their religion to even read this.
non-beleivers on this site:
the fact that they cant flare as you have said.
they are scared to beleive of it or think it impossible or against their religion to even read this.
non-beleivers on this site:
the fact that they cant flare as you have said.
I think there could be some that are scared of finding that something like this can happen but I think it's mainly because they haven't seen it for themselves. I can read all I want and watch all the documentaries there are but in the end I don't think Ill ever believe till I've witnessed this or have done it for myself. I've heard of some amazing thing been done but I'll never be happy till I have seen it for myself and investigated it fully wth nothing left out. I also doubt anything other than objective abilities will be proven.
QUOTE(Chris_com28 @ Mar 16 2005, 06:38 AM)
I think there could be some that are scared of finding that something like this can happen but I think it's mainly because they haven't seen it for themselves. I can read all I want and watch all the documentaries there are but in the end I don't think Ill ever believe till I've witnessed this or have done it for myself. I've heard of some amazing thing been done but I'll never be happy till I have seen it for myself and investigated it fully wth nothing left out. I also doubt anything other than objective abilities will be proven.
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I second that despite they many claims I have not seen anything of the sort of phenomenal psychic powers if it is the real thing and you want to prove it why don't you go out in the middle of time square stop traffic and show the world. Why keep something like that in the dark or try to play some cheap parlor tricks? Show the world in front of the biggest of all skeptics New Yorkers if they even care to stand still, and maybe then we will try to unlock our potential.
As for the monks drying wet towels yes that is true I've seen it, but there has to be some logical explanation, like the fast vibrating movements of the muscles in the body, when that happens it increase body heat hence they dry the towel.
Most people live in a box... they never venture outside the box, they dont want to believe there is anything outside the box, and if confronted with the possiblity that reality is more than what they preceive they freak out. Frankly I try not to convince people(unless they show interest) that things exist beyond their world. This is simply for the reason that telling somone their is 11 dimensions is too much for most people to accept.
These people suck anyway, only a small few ever do anything productive with their life. The rest of them just go to work, go home, sleep, eat, and never express themselves in any artistic fashion.
These people suck anyway, only a small few ever do anything productive with their life. The rest of them just go to work, go home, sleep, eat, and never express themselves in any artistic fashion.
the reason i think people dont believe in this and a lot of things is they a scared of anything that might be stonger faster smarter than they are
The problem with "high-end" psychic phenomenon is the generally elusive nature of it. It does not tend to repeat itself in a "controlled" fashion such to allow for further, or more critical, analysis.
Repeated duplication of a phenomenon is the Holy Grail of scientific or public inquiry, as it allows the phenomenon to be "tested" or "evaluated" again and again, thus either eventually exposing the "hoax" or expanding our understanding.
As such, many people do not feel they should believe in that which can not be repeatedly observed.
Repeated duplication of a phenomenon is the Holy Grail of scientific or public inquiry, as it allows the phenomenon to be "tested" or "evaluated" again and again, thus either eventually exposing the "hoax" or expanding our understanding.
As such, many people do not feel they should believe in that which can not be repeatedly observed.
Well I would be pretty worried if someone had power that could control me... or overcome me wouldn't you? Having a friend with those powers or being around someone with that would be like hanging around someone who has a gun and could shoot it anytime...... you just don't know...... 
I would have to agree with these two answers already posted before;1.I would have to actually witness it to believe it 2. The high end psychic phenomenon are hard to recreate in lab settings. 
Still doesn't mean they aren't completely real though 
Psi Seeker, seek no further... I take it you're a member of the Believer's Corps of Approachable Conveyance... and now is the perfect time for you wanting to debate!
The Uppities have engaged us in debate wars, and we could use you to debate for us on any type of psychic phenomenon, please support the fellow believers in the Believer's group thread in Gneral Off Topic Discussion... and if you want to read about the debate just read back about four pages.
The Corps need your help in this time of UM debate! Stand with us who strive for what we believe!
Still doesn't mean they aren't completely real though QUOTE
Ive gotten kinda rusty, since i havent been on i 2 months, so i need people to start debating against or with me, i need to put some people on their places, well, attemp to neways, flame away, flame me all u want, im waiting.
Psi Seeker, seek no further... I take it you're a member of the Believer's Corps of Approachable Conveyance... and now is the perfect time for you wanting to debate!
The Uppities have engaged us in debate wars, and we could use you to debate for us on any type of psychic phenomenon, please support the fellow believers in the Believer's group thread in Gneral Off Topic Discussion... and if you want to read about the debate just read back about four pages.The Corps need your help in this time of UM debate! Stand with us who strive for what we believe!
perhaps one day we shall find out 
i myself don't believe. it's just hard to understand how it happens logically. i admit not everything can be explained, but i guess it's not something i'm not used to.
that's why i'm just an illusioness.
that's why i'm just an illusioness.
I think that most people don't believe because they're not meant to. Try to understand this, what i mean is, there are some people who are good at Mathematics for example, and others who are good at philosophy. One subject has a definate answer no matter how you look at it. (1+1=2. Definate answer)
And the other has many answers to the same question depending on the person answering. So maths is calculated, philosophy is felt or without a definate answer that everyone accepts. So no matter how hard you try, the person who is good at maths, never quite understands philosophy. No matter how hard you try some people are meant to understand certain things and not others.
All (or most) of the believers can 'feel' how metaphysical things are different but the non-believers wont understand this until they have reached a definate answer that cannot be denyed and can be calculated over and over again( 1+1 will always equal 2 no matter how many times you calculate it).
Thats my theory. Right or wrong? I guess you can't caulculate that!
And the other has many answers to the same question depending on the person answering. So maths is calculated, philosophy is felt or without a definate answer that everyone accepts. So no matter how hard you try, the person who is good at maths, never quite understands philosophy. No matter how hard you try some people are meant to understand certain things and not others.
All (or most) of the believers can 'feel' how metaphysical things are different but the non-believers wont understand this until they have reached a definate answer that cannot be denyed and can be calculated over and over again( 1+1 will always equal 2 no matter how many times you calculate it).
Thats my theory. Right or wrong? I guess you can't caulculate that!
QUOTE(Leviathon @ Mar 18 2005, 03:16 AM)
I think that most people don't believe because they're not meant to. Try to understand this, what i mean is, there are some people who are good at Mathematics for example, and others who are good at philosophy. One subject has a definate answer no matter how you look at it. (1+1=2. Definate answer)
And the other has many answers to the same question depending on the person answering. So maths is calculated, philosophy is felt or without a definate answer that everyone accepts. So no matter how hard you try, the person who is good at maths, never quite understands philosophy. No matter how hard you try some people are meant to understand certain things and not others.
All (or most) of the believers can 'feel' how metaphysical things are different but the non-believers wont understand this until they have reached a definate answer that cannot be denyed and can be calculated over and over again( 1+1 will always equal 2 no matter how many times you calculate it).
Thats my theory. Right or wrong? I guess you can't caulculate that!
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And the other has many answers to the same question depending on the person answering. So maths is calculated, philosophy is felt or without a definate answer that everyone accepts. So no matter how hard you try, the person who is good at maths, never quite understands philosophy. No matter how hard you try some people are meant to understand certain things and not others.
All (or most) of the believers can 'feel' how metaphysical things are different but the non-believers wont understand this until they have reached a definate answer that cannot be denyed and can be calculated over and over again( 1+1 will always equal 2 no matter how many times you calculate it).
Thats my theory. Right or wrong? I guess you can't caulculate that!
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I disagree, and that was a bad analogy philosophy attempts to solve questions about life for people to live a better life there is nothing that can't be understood in philosophy unless you can't read or comprehend logic. Math some people will never get it as fast as others but if you study and work at it you can learn and understand. and here is a teaser can you tell me why 1+1=2, a great question engineers and mathmatician must go through in college, 1+1=2 is not that definate of an answer.
If the psychic phenomena do exist then people should be able to do it, all men are created equal, except in physical and psychological ill mishaps. If you can do it I can do something exact or similar. Some of you have told me to meditate to exercise my own abilities but after that I'm on my own. No one can tell me what to look for. I only can come with it is not real until otherwise somebody does something in front of me
or until somebody guides me to what I should do or feel give me a book to read, or a workshop I can go to anything, that I can do to tap in my psychic abilities. I won't deny knowledge whether true or false, tell me what to do any of you psychics, I'll try it and if your right, trust me I'm going out side and play tricks on people
joke, but damn sure enough I will be on your side.QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Mar 18 2005, 10:37 AM)
QUOTE(Leviathon @ Mar 18 2005, 03:16 AM)
I think that most people don't believe because they're not meant to. Try to understand this, what i mean is, there are some people who are good at Mathematics for example, and others who are good at philosophy. One subject has a definate answer no matter how you look at it. (1+1=2. Definate answer)
And the other has many answers to the same question depending on the person answering. So maths is calculated, philosophy is felt or without a definate answer that everyone accepts. So no matter how hard you try, the person who is good at maths, never quite understands philosophy. No matter how hard you try some people are meant to understand certain things and not others.
All (or most) of the believers can 'feel' how metaphysical things are different but the non-believers wont understand this until they have reached a definate answer that cannot be denyed and can be calculated over and over again( 1+1 will always equal 2 no matter how many times you calculate it).
Thats my theory. Right or wrong? I guess you can't caulculate that!
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And the other has many answers to the same question depending on the person answering. So maths is calculated, philosophy is felt or without a definate answer that everyone accepts. So no matter how hard you try, the person who is good at maths, never quite understands philosophy. No matter how hard you try some people are meant to understand certain things and not others.
All (or most) of the believers can 'feel' how metaphysical things are different but the non-believers wont understand this until they have reached a definate answer that cannot be denyed and can be calculated over and over again( 1+1 will always equal 2 no matter how many times you calculate it).
Thats my theory. Right or wrong? I guess you can't caulculate that!
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I disagree, and that was a bad analogy philosophy attempts to solve questions about life for people to live a better life there is nothing that can't be understood in philosophy unless you can't read or comprehend logic. Math some people will never get it as fast as others but if you study and work at it you can learn and understand. and here is a teaser can you tell me why 1+1=2, a great question engineers and mathmatician must go through in college, 1+1=2 is not that definate of an answer.
If the psychic phenomena do exist then people should be able to do it, all men are created equal, except in physical and psychological ill mishaps. If you can do it I can do something exact or similar. Some of you have told me to meditate to exercise my own abilities but after that I'm on my own. No one can tell me what to look for. I only can come with it is not real until otherwise somebody does something in front of me
or until somebody guides me to what I should do or feel give me a book to read, or a workshop I can go to anything, that I can do to tap in my psychic abilities. I won't deny knowledge whether true or false, tell me what to do any of you psychics, I'll try it and if your right, trust me I'm going out side and play tricks on people
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In my opinion, some are at a higher level of understanding and at a different spiritual development stage.
The corolation between the differences is subject to the individuals ability to remain open-minded.
The key Super Pancake is an open mind.
Let go of all your preconseptions and programming and just BE.
This is a very hard thing to accomplish, for we all have been programmed.
The work is hard, but the reward is undeniable.
QUOTE(Super Pancake @ Mar 19 2005, 03:37 AM)
QUOTE(Leviathon @ Mar 18 2005, 03:16 AM)
I think that most people don't believe because they're not meant to. Try to understand this, what i mean is, there are some people who are good at Mathematics for example, and others who are good at philosophy. One subject has a definate answer no matter how you look at it. (1+1=2. Definate answer)
And the other has many answers to the same question depending on the person answering. So maths is calculated, philosophy is felt or without a definate answer that everyone accepts. So no matter how hard you try, the person who is good at maths, never quite understands philosophy. No matter how hard you try some people are meant to understand certain things and not others.
All (or most) of the believers can 'feel' how metaphysical things are different but the non-believers wont understand this until they have reached a definate answer that cannot be denyed and can be calculated over and over again( 1+1 will always equal 2 no matter how many times you calculate it).
Thats my theory. Right or wrong? I guess you can't caulculate that!
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And the other has many answers to the same question depending on the person answering. So maths is calculated, philosophy is felt or without a definate answer that everyone accepts. So no matter how hard you try, the person who is good at maths, never quite understands philosophy. No matter how hard you try some people are meant to understand certain things and not others.
All (or most) of the believers can 'feel' how metaphysical things are different but the non-believers wont understand this until they have reached a definate answer that cannot be denyed and can be calculated over and over again( 1+1 will always equal 2 no matter how many times you calculate it).
Thats my theory. Right or wrong? I guess you can't caulculate that!
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I disagree, and that was a bad analogy philosophy attempts to solve questions about life for people to live a better life there is nothing that can't be understood in philosophy unless you can't read or comprehend logic. Math some people will never get it as fast as others but if you study and work at it you can learn and understand. and here is a teaser can you tell me why 1+1=2, a great question engineers and mathmatician must go through in college, 1+1=2 is not that definate of an answer.
If the psychic phenomena do exist then people should be able to do it, all men are created equal, except in physical and psychological ill mishaps. If you can do it I can do something exact or similar. Some of you have told me to meditate to exercise my own abilities but after that I'm on my own. No one can tell me what to look for. I only can come with it is not real until otherwise somebody does something in front of me
or until somebody guides me to what I should do or feel give me a book to read, or a workshop I can go to anything, that I can do to tap in my psychic abilities. I won't deny knowledge whether true or false, tell me what to do any of you psychics, I'll try it and if your right, trust me I'm going out side and play tricks on people
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Yeah that was a bad analogy. Anyway, the point is you have to "feel" your way through things that are metaphysical. And some people can feel this easier than others. Like you said, all men are created equal, so anyone can learn but few people can "feel" before they are given proof. I think this seperates believers from sceptics.
And as for others guiding you or teaching you, they can only show you what they have been taught or experienced themselves. I have a theory that states that the time WE are in now is the discovery of our own abilities that up until now have been replaced by technology. So we are the discoverers. Or maybe thats just my excuse for the fact that no one has any proof.
It also might be easier if you asked someone to teach you something specific...
I believe it's possible for people to have these abilities.
Psychic ability, i believe, is genetic. Psychic traits would carry down family bloodlines. In looking at that, we could also say that arrogance and disbelief in said psychic traits may also carry down bloodlines through genetics.
Now is psychic ability a dominant or recessive gene?
Hmm...would animals be able to use telekinesis? Now that is a question that scares me.
Now is psychic ability a dominant or recessive gene?
Hmm...would animals be able to use telekinesis? Now that is a question that scares me.
QUOTE(Leviathon @ Mar 19 2005, 02:18 AM)
Like you said, all men are created equal, so anyone can learn but few people can "feel" before they are given proof. I think this seperates believers from sceptics.
And as for others guiding you or teaching you, they can only show you what they have been taught or experienced themselves. I have a theory that states that the time WE are in now is the discovery of our own abilities that up until now have been replaced by technology. So we are the discoverers. Or maybe thats just my excuse for the fact that no one has any proof.
It also might be easier if you asked someone to teach you something specific...
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And as for others guiding you or teaching you, they can only show you what they have been taught or experienced themselves. I have a theory that states that the time WE are in now is the discovery of our own abilities that up until now have been replaced by technology. So we are the discoverers. Or maybe thats just my excuse for the fact that no one has any proof.
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Thanks for the advise Leviathon
QUOTE(Boli_Delish @ Mar 19 2005, 07:24 AM)
Psychic ability, i believe, is genetic. Psychic traits would carry down family bloodlines. In looking at that, we could also say that arrogance and disbelief in said psychic traits may also carry down bloodlines through genetics.
Now is psychic ability a dominant or recessive gene?
Hmm...would animals be able to use telekinesis? Now that is a question that scares me.
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Now is psychic ability a dominant or recessive gene?
Hmm...would animals be able to use telekinesis? Now that is a question that scares me.
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I don't know the scientist who mapped out our dna would have notice a gene that was odd either it was on or off. Maybe they do know about it and not telling nobody. But since the genome project was limited to a certain amount of people it is possible that there is a gene out somewhere they didn't map everybody, but there are to few genes that give people unique traits, but something like psychic abilities I don't see how such a gene would look like, their is roughly about 2400 genes we know what most of them do and their is a lot of them that don't make no sense or have no noticeable use. You might be right.
Let me ask you psychic's something, is your ability a physical thing like you use your body and is it a skill you develope or it just comes to you? I think I could answer whether it is a gene.
Psychic abilities can be trained but I think those who have it have only practiced because they had it naturally. Anyone can learn as you know, so if it was a gene that allowed us to have these abilities then wouldn't it be like X-men where only mutants had powers? I think it's simply an unexplored area of human capability.
Thanks Leviathon
O.K. then its not a gene if its something that needs to be trained, if it were more about instincts then I would say yes it coulld possibly be a gene.
O.K. then its not a gene if its something that needs to be trained, if it were more about instincts then I would say yes it coulld possibly be a gene.
I think most of you here got it all wrong. Many people are not being sceptics because they don't believe. Its only because of a plethora of ridiculous claims like "I can make psi balls" "I can start fire with my mind" and all that. Truth is that none of these people actually are psychic nor they have any idea what it actually means. Its not because we don't feel special, its not because we don't understand and we certainly have nothing to gain by proving you fake.
I am a big believer of ESP in fact but I try to be critical about the evidence presented rather than swallow things whole. Extrasensory events are indeed a great part of human history and there noumerous indications of people exhibiting uncanny abilities. Either precognition, telepathy or psycho-kinesis (the correct greek term meaning moving your soul energy ie transmit it) it would seem that the human mind has the ability to effectively reach out in more ways that just our limbs and senses would allow.
Here is a small history lesson on ESP:
http://www.psychicvista.com/articles/esp.htm
Here is one of a trully mysterious woman that was ESP gifted
http://www.mysteriouspeople.com/Nina_Kulagina.htm
Here is a link for the animal ESP remark someone made...
http://skepdic.com/esp.html
Have fun everyone....
I am a big believer of ESP in fact but I try to be critical about the evidence presented rather than swallow things whole. Extrasensory events are indeed a great part of human history and there noumerous indications of people exhibiting uncanny abilities. Either precognition, telepathy or psycho-kinesis (the correct greek term meaning moving your soul energy ie transmit it) it would seem that the human mind has the ability to effectively reach out in more ways that just our limbs and senses would allow.
Here is a small history lesson on ESP:
http://www.psychicvista.com/articles/esp.htm
Here is one of a trully mysterious woman that was ESP gifted
http://www.mysteriouspeople.com/Nina_Kulagina.htm
Here is a link for the animal ESP remark someone made...
http://skepdic.com/esp.html
Have fun everyone....
I am neither non believer or believer.
It is true there is so much we do not percieve, so much we can not yet comprehend that almost anything is possible.
However, I need evidence to support any hypothesis. (where lack of evidence does not disprove anything)
It is rediculous to assume that just because we have no evidence either way on the subject that it is impossibe. It is just unexplained.
I think we certianly can tap into "energy" outside of our bodies, or at least believe that we can. In the end, the beleif that we can do it is more important since we will only ever achieve it if we believe we can.
It is true there is so much we do not percieve, so much we can not yet comprehend that almost anything is possible.
However, I need evidence to support any hypothesis. (where lack of evidence does not disprove anything)
It is rediculous to assume that just because we have no evidence either way on the subject that it is impossibe. It is just unexplained.
I think we certianly can tap into "energy" outside of our bodies, or at least believe that we can. In the end, the beleif that we can do it is more important since we will only ever achieve it if we believe we can.
Personally, I don't believe in telekinesis, or psi abilities because there are so many people out there who claim to have these abilities, but are clearly hoaxing them. I am not closed to the idea, I believe that it may be possible, but only in very rare cases.
QUOTE(Bio-Mage @ Mar 21 2005, 04:51 AM)
I think most of you here got it all wrong. Many people are not being sceptics because they don't believe. Its only because of a plethora of ridiculous claims like "I can make psi balls" "I can start fire with my mind" and all that. Truth is that none of these people actually are psychic nor they have any idea what it actually means. Its not because we don't feel special, its not because we don't understand and we certainly have nothing to gain by proving you fake.
I am a big believer of ESP in fact but I try to be critical about the evidence presented rather than swallow things whole. Extrasensory events are indeed a great part of human history and there noumerous indications of people exhibiting uncanny abilities. Either precognition, telepathy or psycho-kinesis (the correct greek term meaning moving your soul energy ie transmit it) it would seem that the human mind has the ability to effectively reach out in more ways that just our limbs and senses would allow.
Here is a small history lesson on ESP:
http://www.psychicvista.com/articles/esp.htm
Here is one of a trully mysterious woman that was ESP gifted
http://www.mysteriouspeople.com/Nina_Kulagina.htm
Here is a link for the animal ESP remark someone made...
http://skepdic.com/esp.html
Have fun everyone....
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I am a big believer of ESP in fact but I try to be critical about the evidence presented rather than swallow things whole. Extrasensory events are indeed a great part of human history and there noumerous indications of people exhibiting uncanny abilities. Either precognition, telepathy or psycho-kinesis (the correct greek term meaning moving your soul energy ie transmit it) it would seem that the human mind has the ability to effectively reach out in more ways that just our limbs and senses would allow.
Here is a small history lesson on ESP:
http://www.psychicvista.com/articles/esp.htm
Here is one of a trully mysterious woman that was ESP gifted
http://www.mysteriouspeople.com/Nina_Kulagina.htm
Here is a link for the animal ESP remark someone made...
http://skepdic.com/esp.html
Have fun everyone....
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Hi, I believe in the Psychic Phenomenon. Thank you very much for clearly stating your opinion that the truth about psi is they can't do it.
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