Has anyone heard of this case? It was a poltergeist outbreak that occurred to a single parent family living in Enfield, UK. It was widely publicised at the time (late 1970's) and a book was published about the whole ordeal, titled 'This House Is Haunted' by Guy Lion Playfair. I have read the book, and regardless if you believe the story or not, it makes for interesting reading. You can find more info HERE

I just wanted to get peoples opinion on this case.

Hoagy

It sounds familiar. I'll have to delve deeper.

Interesting story Hoagy, will have to look into it some more.

It was one of the most violent and dramatic poltergeist cases in history. Ed and Lorraine Warren also wound up investigating the case and there student Lou Gentile(my mentor) stands as one of the few people who has access to the actual evps from the house which he regularly plays at lectures.

ffs Hoagy your avatar scared the sh*t outta me!

And, nope, never heard of it. Scary thing is, I live right next to Enfield (borough of Barnet)

Haha! sorry Galor,just keep thinking 'it's only Vincent Price'.

Ed Warren was in that case? I have to be honest that I dont ever remember hearing any connection with the Warrens, are we talking about the same case? I don't remember reading about them in the book either, mind you, it was a while ago...

Hoagy

Not sure if they're mentioned in the book haven't read it. They refer to the case in several of there books(The Demonologist comes to mind off the top of my head) as well as on there site. Yes I"m quite sure it was Einsfield two voices speaking with a thick cockney accent describing themselves as Ed and Fred. I've heard the recordings both from Lou's files and the Warren's lectures they rank among the best EVPs ever taken probably because the voices were actually audible as well as recordable some thing generally unheard of in the field.

Ed and Lorraine Warren that’s them, I have been trying to think of them so called "demonologists" for days. I think I saw them on TV ages ago, It might have been some other American "demonologists" but I think it was them, anyhow them types of Satan obsessed people are a pain in the back side when it comes to investigating the paranormal.

Anyway they where asked to leave the studio, because some real paranormal researchers where trying to have a intelligent conversation about a haunting and all Ed and Lorraine bless them could do was blame everything on Satan and evil spirits, which was not going to help anyone, so some researcher politely made a point about how can you help anyone or learn anything about a paranormal situation if you blame everything on Satan, and they became angry like most extremist folks do, and where asked to leave, as no one was learning anything while they where accusing everything paranormal as demonic or "satanic" or was the work of the devil.

In my opinion Ed and Lorraine Warren are an embarrassment to paranormal research, its a blessing that people like them in the paranormal research field are rare, it causes people to have dilution’s, even though they are thankfully rare, people like them do do some damage to real paranormal investigation, but mainly in America, I am just glad we dont have people like that here in the UK in paranormal research, I actually think they are nice enough folk and likeable, just ignorant about the paranormal and have been taught by people that spend there whole life fearing Satan and God for that matter, they have a one track mind and to be a good Parapsychologist you need to have an open mind to all possibilities, not just a "all spirits are evil full stop" attitude.


The guy that actually investigated the Enfield poltergeist Maurice Grosse is my most favourite paranormal investigator, he really knows his stuff, and had been doing it for decades and has helped so many people in his many years of research, and even did an investigation at a haunted location with the paranormal investigation group that I used to be apart of, but I never got to meet him oh well maybe another time

All the best
Faeden

There is also more information on this site: here.

Something just doesn't seem right about all those photos. The images of the girl levitating seem extremely convincing because of the fact that she doesn't look like someone who has just jumped.

I'm a photographer and it I find it hard to explain how things look when someone jumps but those images just don't fit with someone who is jumping from their bed!

However... So many things seem so fake. Such as the mothers comments on the situation.

"But let's look at the next picture which show a similar thing happening but this time the mother is in the room. Now when I questioned the mother on this, I said what was happening at that time ... Janet was lying in bed and I was talking to Janet ... I asked then what happened ... I don't know but Janet was suddenly flying through the air ... I said let's get this straight, you were talking to Janet, and what did she do? Get out from the covers, go to the top of the bed and jump? ... The mother said NO, I was talking to Janet and suddenly Janet was flying through the air ... I said, Are you sure? ... Absolutely positive ... So how did Janet get into that position if she lying down and talking to her mother? This just did not happen once, twice or three times but just kept happening and usually in the middle of the night. The last picture is a close up of Janet in the air."

I'm sorry but, as a mother, this would be much more exciting to me than just "I don't know but Janet was suddenly flying through the air". Plus the photos of the mother just sitting there watching it has me thinking.

1. I'm a mother of a 12 year old daughter and you better bet that if my daughter started flying through the air I would not only NOT say "I don't know but she was suddenly flying through the air..." I would also be trying to grab her down from the entity in a panic to protect my child.

Either the other has no natural instincts or she is full of it!

2. I see a major scientific inconsistency. Scroll down to "Well you have probably heard the stories of levitations in this case..." and look at the images as well as the statements.

The first image shows the girl flying. On the bed to the right you see two girls. The girl on the left in the bed seems in shock and the girl on the right looks more amused than shocked!

The paragraph after that statement says:

"... here we believe we actually have a levitation of the girl (Janet) flying through the air in the first picture. Have a look at Margaret in the second picture below lying on the bed, a very strange thing for young girls to be doing at 3:00 o'clock in the morning. There's Janet flying through the air and Margaret is lying there with one foot up the wall and one hand up in the air ... You must admit a bit peculiar ... even if Janet has just jumped."

Now.. they are pretty much claiming that the first photo of her flying is form the same exact set only minutes apart, at most. If that was the case.. do you honestly think that girl #2 suddenly disappeared to her bed and girl #1 in the bed started raising her limps in her sleep when only moments ago she was with her sister freaking out!

I must research this information and my opinion is entirely based on this link provided by Hoagy but I feel this haunting is too full of holes and entirely false!

Hi rayce

You make some good points, and I used to doubt this case years ago, but what convinced me is the fact that the person that investigated the case at the time was Maurice Grosse, and anyone that knows about this guy or has meet him, will know he is passionate about getting to the truth about the paranormal, and detests people that make up stories or lies, he is as honest as they come, and he moved into the house when the activities where taking place for weeks, and witnessed the child levitating, you can even see in the photos, he is there when she is flying around the room and he is trying to hold the girl down. Now anyone that knows Maurice's nature will know its impossible that he would even consider faking something like this, and will also know that the Society for Psychical Research of which he was a high ranking member, is a very respected and professional organisation, and to think that he would fake anything risking the reputation of the society is absurd to say the least.

On one occasion the mirror newspaper wanted to do a article on the case, and went and stayed over night, things happened, such as some furniture got thrown against a wall and some other stuff, but nothing the journalists could catch in the act. The next morning just as the journalists where leaving, one of them made a sarcastic comment about how the whole thing was a fraud, as he said this a marble from the floor where no one was near just flew and hit him in the head, as did a child’s toy car that was also on the floor, they cut the journalists head, this convinced the newspaper journalist of the phenomena as he wrote a very different article for the paper that he was intending to, he went into the story thinking it was all a joke, but changed his mind after he had witnessed the marble and car flying of the floor and hitting him in the head.

All the best
Faeden

Guessing the "inteligent" researcher was that late great con artist Stevie Kaplan. Kaplan absolutely despised the Warrens and baited them every chance he got. Sorry they were the best in the field in there day and set most of the standards the amatuers that have come since work by.

No Kev, it wasn’t Stevie Kaplan, it was some of the most respected paranormal researchers in the UK at the time, that is why they where invited on the show, but the shows researchers made the mistake of inviting some "demonologists" that they never looked into, because they had novelty value, but soon regretted it as they obviously did not do there research on them before they invited them on because the "demonologists" where an embarrassment.

To this day just about every paranormal group in the UK that know of the warrens have shunted them, not because they wanted to, but because they have no choice, they talk trash taught by god fearing people, and do not contribute anything to paranormal research, other than waffle on about that Satan is responsible for this haunting and that haunting, and that Satan is all deceiving, and was tricking paranormal investigators into thinking that hauntings could be down to friendly or confused spirits, all they kept talking about was Satan this and Satan that blah blah blah. How can anyone learn anything with an attitude like that?

All the best
Faeden

Then bluntly these "respected" parapsychologists are a bunch of crack pots. I'm sorry I've followed the career of the Warrens for years and unlike most of the third rate con artists in the field they've spent over 50 years actually helping people. Parapsychologists babble about ghosts this and psychics that but when they day is done what have they done? Made lots of ubsurd claims they can't proved and left a lot of people with violent hauntings that the paras can't help them with. The Warren's provide actual solutions. Of course every one hates the idea of demons any more so its normal to shun them for actually admiting to the dark side of the spirit world.

And for the record its not "so called demonologists." Ed stands as the only Roman Catholic lay person in the world that is formally recognized as a demonologist by the Vatican. You can think demonology is nonsense but in so far as any one can claim the title it would be him.

They are crack pots are they, because they dont blame everything on satan?

Kev I am sorry mate, but do you ever listen to anything I say? I have never said and nor do a lot of Parapsychologists say that demons dont exist, but the Warrens do nothing but waffle on about Satan and how he is responsible for everything paranormal on earth, that is why they where asked to leave the show, because they where not contributing anything to the argument, just becoming hostile with there out dated god fearing beliefs.



What have they done ? Kev are you on the same planet as the rest of us? they have done a huge amount in gathering together all the evidence that we see today, and as you dont seem to be very similar with the work of a Parapsychologist I will help you in saying that many Parapsychologists dont believe in mediumship abilities and the paranormal they just study it.

Maybe you would like to have a look at the following link Are these the worlds best EVP's ever ?

All the study today into examining the paranormal and the after life, is done by rational Parapsychologists who are DR's, they are not called DR's Kev because they dont know anything, they are given that title because they worked hard to earn it and have proven them selves

All the best
Faeden

Yet the vast majority of main stream science considers parapsychology an embarrasing joke. Its yet to produce any repeatable results in its entire history. Also quite simply it gives no benefit. A parapsychologist can tell you yes its a spirit in your house and a violent one at that but then what? All they ever do is whip out the tape measures or call a psychic to try to make nice nice with the spoooks. As to them having doctorates your point being? Like most people I figured out a very long time ago that education does not prove inteligence. Heck if it did the US wouldn't be plagued by incompetent politicians.

So running about with a bible, blaming everything that is unexplained on Satan is intelligence is it Kev?

Is that why so many peoples lives have been ruined by god fearing and Satan obsessed people? because fear destroys peoples lives, and causes mental illness and dilution’s that cause people to roll about on a church floor like a snake, chanting gibberish in a dilutional and mentally disturbed manner? Is that the result of intelligent people?

Have you ever wondered Kev how these "satanic possessions" of people only happen where people are obsessed with Satan and the wrath of god?

Do you not think that the fact this type of "possession" only happen in communities that spread the fear of god and of Satan in places like the bible belt is odd ? Is it just coincidence ? I wonder…..

I dont know Kev, but I m thinking that maybe Satan seems to like possessing people in the bible belt more, because its nicer there in the summer. I am sure all that fear of Satan that these extremist folk create, keeps Ed and Lorraine Warren's work flooding in, how convenient

According to Ed and Lorraine they have all ready solved the problem to every haunting they "investigate" because its all Satan’s work, thank god for people like them, they sure do the study of paranormal research a world of good.

All the best
Faeden

Very interesting.....very interesting indeed.

Tell me Faeden do you always run your mouth with out any idea what your talking about or just when it comes to any thing remotely Christian. Any one who's spent any time studying the Warrens actual work, or writings knows they don't blaime EVERY THING on the demonic. What they do do is admit it exists and causes a lot of phenomenon that people to scared to admit the truth(like yourself or the average parapsychologist) won't. Most parapsychologists decry the existence of the demonic but go running to the Warrens or groups like them the minute a case turns violent. Also demonic posssession is a world wide phenomenon most common to third world countries where the practice of the worst aspects of the occult are still widely practiced as well as in the US where meaningful spirituality is giving away to pop psychology.

Hi Kev

All I can say is I am glad people like your self, and Ed and Loraine are rare in the study of the paranormal. Fair play and all that, but paranormal research needs to go forward, rather than back to the dark ages.

Also Kev what makes you think I haven’t studied these things ? Maybe I have and that is how I come to my conclusions have you considered that?.

I have seen with my own eyes the horrible fear, chaos, and pain, mental illness, and suppression god fearing people cause them selves, and the others around them. My beef is not with real Christians who treat others as Jesus did, its with the extremists that use fear and terror to make people "repent" or to fill there pockets with cash. And to get rich of the fear of others.

All the best
Faeden

OK chaps, I did'nt want this to become a debate about the Warrens or Christianity. In defence, Kevin, I read the book about the Enfield Poltergeist case with both great interest and some skepticism. It was'nt until I had seen video footage (among other things) on a TV documentary about it a couple of years ago that I really thought that this was a genuine case. I can honestly, hand on heart say that I don't ever remember the Warrens ever being involved with this case. Maybe they have referred to it, but they are'nt mentioned in the book, and I am fairly certain they are not mentioned in the documentary either. Just to make sure, are we talking about the same case, maybe getting mixed up with another? Maurice Grosse happened upon the case purely by accident. He recently lost his daughter in a car accident, and believed it was a sign from her that he got called out of the blue to come in on the case.

Hoagy

Unless another poltergeist case occured in Einsfield England that specificly involved two girls who had a habit of levitating its the same case. The Warren's were present for the case and the levitations in question as well as having recordings of the original voices.

Fae and I'm very greatful groups like the Warren's exist to clean up the messes left by incompetent parapsychologists who don't believe in the demonic leave. I've seen for myself the havoc wreaked by the ignorant who dismiss Satan and his minions as dark age concepts.

thanks for the info on this case, hoagy. i had never heard of it. now i have to go and buy the book! the site was really interesting but it kinda feels like a hoax to me. in one of the pics the girl is smiling and i guarantee you if i were being levitated against my will, it'd be a long time before i smiled again!!

That particular link I posted does seem a little kooky, there are better ones, I just put that so it gave a bit of insight. I am not too sure if the book is still available, as the copy I had was really old, and it was given to me. You could probably find it in any good second-hand bookstore in my beloved England

Einsfield or Enfield?

I would be very interested to hear your experiences

I have just briefly glanced at the Warrens official website, which can be found HERE and so far I can find no mention about the Enfield case, although many other poltergeist cases are included.

Hey, If your intrested in this haunting/poltergiest, I highly recomend a book... by Will Storr. titled "Will Storr vs. th supernatural" Anyone read this yet? The Enfield poltergiest is a chapter and has much to do with Maurice Grosse. check it out.. great read.

wow I know this thread is old but great post Faden.

I think these cases are possible- But, this kid urks me, "Janet," she's a jokester, pulling these pranks, and I think was thriving from all the attention!...ex,. she was caught "bending spoons/ a rod while on hidden camera-
This other girl in the photo in the bed with the sister, who is that? where did she come from, where did she go to?
I notice too much of a cunning smile on Janet as she is being "thrown." The truth is probally they had some small activity in the beginning (a poltergeist) and as it deteriorated, the girls kept up the activity for the attention's sake--

The other girl was Janet's sister Margaret, just want to put my two pennys worth, Margaret was a good friend of mine( i say was because i havent seen her in a few years). and yes i believe what went on in that house.

I don't think Sunny is referring to her, in this pic Janet is in mid air and in the bed there are 2 people:-

http://www.zurichmansion.org/images/video/mg-le-2.jpg

Who is the person in what looks like blue pajamas?

Also in these pics there is what appears to be a 'face' and an arm of someone in blue pajamas:-

http://www.zurichmansion.org/ghosts/video1.html

http://www.zurichmansion.org/images/video/mg-pi-2.jpg

Is that person supposed to be there? It doesn't look like there's room for them

Well deff not a case of SP ok jokes a side...well noticed Gfunk, there's clearly a second person in the bed in blue PJ's...yes who is that person?

LMAO,....

I sure see alot of LOLs and smileys and SPs and "jokes" in the SAME sentences above! (last2) ..............b








gawd paranoid too!

There's something not quite right about that other person, it doesn't look like there's room for him/her and on some of the pics looking at his/her face sends chills down me!

(No offence intended if that is actually a person!)