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MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (CNN) -- Police said on Sunday they don't know why Terry Ratzmann, 44, burst into a Wisconsin church service and opened fire, killing seven people and then himself.

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Terry Ratzmann's motive for killing seven people, then himself, is unknown, police said.

Ratzmann stopped to reload his handgun during his assault Saturday on the Living Church of God service at a Sheraton Hotel in Brookfield, police said.

No suicide note or other documents have been found, and there was nothing in his background "that would jump out, as to why he would have done this," said Brookfield police Capt. Phil Horter.

Church members and relatives have told authorities that Ratzmann was facing some employment issues, Horter said, and that his employment might be "coming to an end, or was scheduled to end, in the very near future."

Also, two weeks ago, Ratzmann apparently became angry at something that was said during a sermon and walked out of the room, Horter said.

Ratzmann entered the service about 20 minutes after it began, police said, and uttered nothing before pulling out the gun and opening fire. He shot 22 rounds, stopping to reload an additional magazine into the handgun.

A woman who witnessed the shootings, however, said Ratzmann did speak, telling worshippers he had three clips of ammunition and he intended to kill all of them -- and himself.

Some church members who knew Ratzmann confronted him, telling him to stop and asking him why he was shooting, Horter said. Ratzmann apparently did not reply, but fired a few more rounds before fatally shooting himself.

He was one of five people pronounced dead at the scene. Three others died later at a hospital, Brookfield police Chief Daniel Tushaus said.

The church's minister, Randy L. Gregory, 51, and his son, James Gregory, 16, of Gurnee, Illinois, died, along with Harold Diekmeier, 74, of Delafield; Richard Reeves, 58, of Cudahy; Bart Oliver, 15, of Waukesha; Gloria Critari, 55, of Cudahy; and Gerald A. Miller, 44, of Erin, The Associated Press reported.

Marjean Gregory, 52, of Gurnee, was hospitalized in critical condition and Matthew P. Kaulbach, 21, of Pewaukee and Angel M. Varichak of Helenville were hospitalized in satisfactory condition Sunday, a hospital spokeswoman told AP. A 10-year-old girl police identified as Lindsay also remained hospitalized.

The victims were in the same general area of the room, police said.

"This is a terrible tragedy," said a statement posted on the Charlotte, North Carolina-based Living Church of God Web site. "We are cooperating with the authorities to find out what happened."

Police executed a search warrant at Ratzmann's New Berlin home, where he lived with his mother and a sister. Among the items seized were three computers, Horter said, along with what police believe were the remaining bullets and a .22-caliber rifle.

"There is no evidence to lead us to any other suspect or individual," said Tushaus. "We have no evidence of a conspiracy or any organized plan."

Shane Colwell, a neighbor of Ratzmann's, said he spoke to Ratzmann a few times a week as they both worked in their yards.

"He was a completely average guy," Colwell told CNN.

He added that he has spoken to Ratzmann's mother, who he quoted as saying she was "just in shock and feels terrible for the victims."

Brookfield is a community of 38,823 people located about 15 miles west of Milwaukee.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/13/wisconsin...ings/index.html
Firien
Another sick story in a sick world. Thats really sad.
absinthegreen329
Why would someone shoot up a church, that is just sick? Thank goodness this person had really bad aim, 22 bullets and seven people, it could have been worse. That is still absolutely horrible though.
BabyBash82
Hm.. he hit more than 7, only seven died.. and who's the say he didn't shoot each person more than once? He could have hit with all 22 shots.
Monkyburd
7 is perhaps the most holy number around. Interesting...

Also interesting that he seemed perfectly normal until this event. Very odd.. How certain are the witnesses that it was him? hmm.gif
absinthegreen329
QUOTE(nicksoslick @ Mar 16 2005, 06:19 PM)
Hm.. he hit more than 7, only seven died.. and who's the say he didn't shoot each person more than once?  He could have hit with all 22 shots.
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You are correct, thank you.
__Kratos__
He probably found out the truth of religion and flipped... chaos is the answer, chaos is the path, chaos we seek to be free.

Interesting though... christian based faith but JEWISH last name. I ponder and I ponder.
AztecInca
I guess you can never trully know whats going on in anothers head!
Walken
Very sad indeed.
Celumnaz
Mind Control?
Seraphina
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Mind Control?


....

......

........seriously, what? huh.gif

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James Gregory, 16


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A 10-year-old girl police identified as Lindsay also remained hospitalized.


And the number of young victims of America's gun culture continues to pile up...
wunarmdscissor
no sera repeat after me...


"we dont have a gun problem"

"we dont have a gun problem"

etc etc

then quote some redundant facts on violent crime.
Redneck
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And the number of young victims of America's gun culture continues to pile up...


There is nothing to indicate that this individual had anything to do with the "gun culture." The "gun culture" is by and large made up of decent people, people who don't deserve to be maligned as criminals and psychotics.
Seraphina
Hey Wun, you were right tongue.gif
Celumnaz
control freaks still on the "guns are evil creatures who jump into peoples hands against their will so they can kill kids" kick?

Anyway, aboot the mind control comment... from an old post from 2003...

QUOTE(Celumnaz Sep 5 2003 @ 08:56 AM)
It's possible.

Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...6148&RS=6506148

Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brain waves
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?...1134&RS=3951134

These are some pretty old patents... technology's probably gotten a little better since these were issued... 


I like a good conspiracy... and that's one way socialist control freaks can get the legislation passed they want. Create a crisis, and then be the hero by "solving" it.

I said it with a "?"... cause I'm not saying it's fact... but just that it's bizarre, this kind of thing doesn't happen every day shooting up a chruch like that.

Guns weren't a problem until the 60's & 70's when socialist programs started proliferating over here. Create a crisis and then be the hero when they "fix" it, keeping the sheep ever dependant on big daddy govt.
Redneck
I never quoted any statistics, or said there is no problem. I said the problem is not the "gun culture" per se.
Seraphina
So...what you're saying Celumnaz...is that you believe it's more likely that there's some "leftist" conspiracy, using mind manipulation to get innocent people to wander around murdering folk, in an attempt to push gun legislation...than it is that some scum bag, despressed and on his way out of his job, finally cracked, got his gun, and went on a rampage? huh.gif
Celumnaz
I'm saying it's possible...

am I not allowed to think these thoughts? Or maybe I should ask permission first? It's not like I'm acting in any capacity as a legislator, lawyer, judge, psychologist...

I'm with the rest up there... it's sick... someone asked why someone would do something like that...

being demented is one reason

If the great intelligent Hillary Clinton can claim a "vast right-wing conspiracy" can't I have my little scenario, which could be true however improbable or unlikely you want to dismiss it?

I mean... the patents are out there... the technology exsists, has exsisted, and I would be disappointed if it wasn't weaponized by now and being used by our black suits for... stuff...
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