Hi all

I have taken some of another post and changed it some what, to ask for your opinions are on what love and hate is, and where it comes from? these are my beliefs and opinions on it.....

Love to me is an emotional vibration of the highest level of vibrational consciousness, where hate is the lowest form of vibrational consciousness.

Love radiates from the highest levels of the spirit world, where hate radiates from the lowest realms of the spirit world. The vibration of the love energy vibrates fast and quickly and is light, and the hate energy vibrates slowly and is heavy and dark.

Love comes from the god force, where as hate and all the other negative emotions connected with hate, comes from the darkness that is void of the god light.

Anyone that says that animals cant feel love are either ignorant, or have never owned an animal. Animals have souls way above human ones, look how a dog can give unconditional love, and never ask for anything in return, human kind has been trying to do that for 1000s of years, but has never managed it, the dog can do it effortlessly. The example of how an animal can love unconditionally, even when its being abused and mistreated is a form of exceptional love that is rare if not unheard of in humans.

Love to me is the highest form of emotion, because it creates, its one that brings human kind together.

Hate has a huge amount of power just as love does, both love and hate are powerful, but its what one you feed that determines who you are.

Hitler and the atom bomb ect are all products of hate, which to me is enough evidence that hate is a powerful, but low dark energy.

War is the ultimate expression of hate, but then war is beneficial for no one, war is bred from hate, and kills people, war is the lowest form of act on the planet today. Hitler started a war with hate not love, need I say anymore

I think that love and hate are pretty equal in power, its just that they are both different ends of the spectrum. When you throw a boomerang both ends are of equal weight, they need to be to fly right so it can return to you, just as love and hate need to be equal for nature or the universe to exists. When we throw out love we will get it back just like a boomerang, when we throw out hate we will get that back just as we do love, in many cultures its called Karma. Its the same with positive and negative you need them for a battery to work, but that doesn’t mean we can not live our lives with love and the positive does it? The earth realm is smack bang in the middle of the light and dark realms, so your going to get a balanced face of nature, as nature can be peaceful and beautiful, it can also be harsh and cruel, but that doesn’t mean we as humans have to be that way. Maybe mother nature is trying to teach us something, and that lesson is that being destructive is hate, and being peaceful is love, its just that we as a race are so caught up in our own self destructive emotions of hate, greed, and anger, and ignorance, that we refuse to see it.

CHEROKEE WISDOM

An old Cherokee was teaching his grandson about life. "A fight is going on inside me"; he said to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves."

"One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego."

"The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith."

"This same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

Hate is apart of human nature, but then so is love, again ill quote back to the Cherokee wisdom I put in my above example to put my point across. We all have free will, and yes its natural to feel both love and hate, but that is exactly why we all have free will, because its up to us to choose which one we are going to give into or embrace.

Some will say that negative and destructive emotions are natural to man but, hate, anger, and conflict, where not apart of Jesus, Gandhi, Buddha, and all the other great people that walked the earth throughout history, they chose love over hate, so they are not apart of all human kind, they where individuals, they are not apart of the some that can not over come the negative emotions that all humans have in side them, all the great religious leaders won the battle with light vrs darkness that was going on inside them selves as individuals. Again we are individuals and all have free will, and its not until human kind understands that free will is up to us all as individual beings, that the reality will sink in that hate is moving human kind backward, and that love is moving human kind forward. We can not see life as it truly is, until we find that peace within our selves as individuals and that you cant find that peace through hate only through love. And its not until this realisation has manifested into the hearts of the living that human kind as a whole can be at peace.

Some close them selves to love because it hurts when we lose our loved ones. The more you lose those you love, the more you hurt yes, but its that kind of hurt that teaches us the true value of love. If you live a life with no love because of a fear of losing love, then you will live a pretty selfish and unhappy life. Its the understanding of being eternal, that helps me know that love is also eternal, and because I am aware that love is eternal I also know that I have not really lost any love one, because love never dies. If you cant love or care for others, then you defy the who reason to live in the first place, love is what keeps us all connected, if everyone went around hating and never loving then we would all be distant and cold, and life would be worthless. Love makes life worth living.

Some would say that its better to be hateful than loving, because its easier that way, because you dont get hurt that way, I think this is not a healthy way to think, because hate just breeds more hate and will eventually consume you, love breeds more love and will eventually set you free.

All the best
Faeden

Faeden - that's a very good post (and points) you just made.

A couple of comments I'll toss out.

On animals - I do not know if I would consider the soul of animals to be "higher" than peoples or not. I only say this because a ranking (for lack of a better word) of souls never dawned on me. I do think they have souls. I know they are quite capable of amazing amounts of love. I've met a few in my time that seemed capable of hate as well.

Love and hate - I don't pretend to have the answers to where they come from. But, I agree with you that love is the center of the teachings of many great religous leaders. Like you said - it all boils down to which wolf you feed. I think the trick to it is to realize that it sometimes alot easier in this world to feed the wrong wolf and you sometimes have to make a little extra effort to feed the good one. Ya see, that bad wolf that lives in ya can sometimes trick folks and make them forget all about the good one.

Hi Frogs

I think the more you starve the hate wolf within you, the weaker it becomes, when the hate wolf is defeated, then you have won the battle, and loving becomes effortless, just like all of the religious leaders preached.

Animals are not capable of hate in my opinion, when animals are aggressive its because they are in fear of there lives, or of there off springs lives, or they are just acting as animals do, in order to survive, some animals have to kill to survive, its not anger or hate, its just an instinct that they have, Humans can survive with out killing, in fact we humans thrive even more with out it. Animals dont have hate inside them, they only have the instincts that allows them to survive, animals can seem brutal and maybe they can be, but they dont have a conscious belief in right and wrong. we as humans are supposed to know right from wrong, but unfortunately so many people dont use that knowledge of right and wrong, they ignore it to peruse selfish greed’s and needs. Humans are expected to be civilised, animals are not, and rightly so….. .Are animals threatening the very planet we live on? no we are.

All the best
Faeden

faeden

you have outstanding thoughts..geee............i wish i can write those kind of stuffs too.........i am a frustrated write .lol

Mind if I steal that!


Very well written post.
For me, love and hate go hand in hand and you can not have one without the other.
If we did not know hate, how could we understand love...and vice versa.'
When one is awake the other sleeps by your side, ready for the call to waken.
All you have to do to awaken it is call out to it.

Faeden,
Those are very outstanding words..!! Maybe we are born with both emotions? or the way we are all taught differently? Do we live what we learn?

About the animals..they do love unconditionally..

I dislike war as well. its useless.. The Cherokee Wisdom is so true..

The last part got me, it is true it is easier to not care and turn yourself off to everyone. Its a lot of work(for me)to put myself out there. but you are right, hate and anger breeds more...I

And I will steal both of those, Fantastic - kudo's to you both!

Hoagy

You cant experience love without experiencing hate, because how would you no that you love someone if you had never hated, how would you no that you hate someone when you never knew what it was like to love or be loved?

natxx

Hi all

Thanks for all your replies by he way you can steal that Cherokee wisdom, I stole it from the Cherokee it for all folk to share.

All the best
Faeden

Too bad that most people view love as quid pro quo. Only the ego can be hurt there. Love is like a smile, cannot be spent or lost, it's just a matter of whoat you do with it
And hate = fear to me

Love and Hate, What do you embrace?

Thats a simple question...

Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and he who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God; for God is love. - 1 John 4:7-8

I know there are people who don't like us christians quoting the bible so much, well sorry...

I see nothing good comming from embracing hate... Love is such a great thing... Thats why it hurts so much when we lose someone we love, because love is the single greatest thing in this exsistence or any exsistence...

LBD

Hi Aumha



I totally agree, that’s why many people that are angry and hateful live there lives in fear.

Whether it be fear of god, or the fear of life its self, they are like bullies in a sense, they seem to find comfort in hating others and putting that same fear into others.

Hi lightbeyondthedark



I dont think there is anything wrong with quoting the bible if its used in the right way like you have done, but many use it to twist the word (Love) and what (God) stands for so they can justify there own hateful beliefs against others. That quote from the bible you just gave is a perfect example of how the bible should be used.

All the best
Faeden

Like good and evil I don't see them as separate entities, but two faces that are inseparable, show me a love that is pure from hate. Its impossible there both extreme words of caring and are subjective to a persons view point.

Hi Faeden hope things are going better for you after the lose of your dog keep smiling mate

You can't beat native american indian wisdom it's tops

Well "HATE" run my life for a long time i still struggle with it I think i always will its destructive force can stagger you and if i hadn't got help I would have hurt sombody and be in prison ( don't get me wrong i'm a nice guy who would help anyone but my temper if crossed had no bonds it frightened the hell out of me) the best thing i did was see a councilor it saved me it's made me like who i am again you could say it made a new man of me

And this is were the love comes in to play the love of my family and of my little boy who with out them i would be lost who love me with all my faults love concurs all never a true word spoken take it easy faeden mate

Indeed
Here is my fav.

Only when man kills the last animal:
Only when man poisons the last river;
Only when man catches the last fish in the sea;
Only when man cuts down the last tree;
Only then will man realize
He can't eat money

This topic reminds me of the song from the 80's...

"There's a strong line between Love & Hate...."

It's very hard to forgive and forget when someone truly harms your family and yourself. It's uncomfortable and you just don't know what to do; especially if it was your relatives who did this.
I have found, in order for me to regain a peaceful lifestyle I had to close the door to the relationships that are negative. But at the same time, I have an itty bitty "Peek-hole" so I can watch them to see if they have changed because deep down; I love those people, I just hate their actions.

I found that being truthful is the key years ago i would lie through my teeth in a relationship to keep them happy,to keep them off my back and have a quiet life in the end i was kidding myself. Now i can't stand lies or falseness i just can't lie anymore i tell the truth even if it hurts the person im telling it too not to hurt them but is just that i wont lie any more

A friend of mine once said a most wonderful thing:

Surround yourself with beauty, in every sense of the word...

I took that advice to heart and i must say i've never really experienced hate although my work takes me to some very hostile and messed up countries. Kindness and respect go a long way. There are always people and things i dislike and I do rant occasionaly but I keep them at a distance and direct my energy towards what I enjoy. This way it's easy to balance out the unpleasant so hate is... unnecessary (?)

Hi



They sure do, they go a lot further than being mean and showing a lack of respect that is for sure.

Can I ask you what you do for a living? You sound like you have a very interesting job.



Brilliant Turtle. How many people on this planet could learn from that?

All the best
Faeden

Love is the single greatest power in this existence...
Here are some great quotes about love...

Love, like a river, will cut a new path
whenever it meets an obstacle.
- Crystal Middlemas

There is only one happiness in life,
to love and be loved.
- George Sand

Love feels no burden,
thinks nothing of trouble,
attempts what is above its strength,
pleads no excuse of impossibility...
It is therefore able to undertake all things,
and it completes many things,
and warrants them to take effect,
where he who does not love would faint and lie down.
Love is watchful and sleeping, slumbereth not.
Though weary, it is not tired;
though pressed, it is not straitened;
though alarmed, it is not confounded...
- Thomas A. Kempis

Love is not blind - It sees more and not less,
but because it sees more it is willing to see less.
- Will Moss

Love is like the sun coming out of the clouds
and warming your soul.
- Unknown

To the world you may be one person,
but to one person you may be the world.
- Bill Wilson

Love is smiling on the inside and out.
- Jennifer Williams

The love I feel in one second is infinitely stronger then the anger I may feel for a lifetime.
-LightBeyondTheDark



LBD

This is an entertaining thread Faeden. I agree with your love/hate points but I have a bit different understanding of love and hate. It's kinda more simplistic in a sense. I see love as attraction and hate as deflection. So to me anything that attracts another thing and brings it close to it loves it. I.E. two people in love. If you try to destroy something your taking the most direct route of deflection and you obviously hate it. But the thing that puzzled me is when people say they "hate love."?!?! This was a stumper. To me I didn't understand how this occurred and wondered if my view of love and hate was totally off. Until I realized it actually isn't love they hate, because thats impossible, but it's actually them not hating love but loving hate. Since they are consumed with hatred instead of love they have brought hatred close by loving it. As for what they think they are hating is nothing more than a scapegoat they made up to blame their woes on. When I realized people do this quite often it made me pretty damn sad. Love is totally different for everyone, it's not something with a determined mass or quantity that you can judge and deem unsatisfactory, it is whatever you are attracted to, to simply put it. Do my views make any sense?

I love my wife (i embrace her frequently)
I hate my mother in law
simplicity is the key to all things
unless its electronic

The only other thing I love and embrace wholeheartedly is my God

I work in the humanitarian aid industry on landmine and toxic waste clearance projects so i mostly spend my time on ugly sites in war torn countries. I love the job and the people I work with, we do make a difference but you can imagine the troubling sights that we get to see - extreme poverty, despair and human misery at its worst. Yesterday you watched your tv and munched on chips and today your kids are hungry and your house is in ruins sort of thing... Plenty of reason to hate, more unfairness and injustice than anybody deserves yet most people are friendly, they stick together and live, care and go on. It's rarely as bad as it appears on the surface, these hardships bring out the best and worst in people and it's not just hatred and despair. The media project only the grim side, it's there allright but they usually forget compassion, humour, courage and little things...

Seeing this makes you think, it's a big reality check when it comes to defining 'problems' so I must laugh at people who feel underpriviledged when minor things don't go their way. I guess there's those who give it their best shot and live with the consequences and those who get discouraged and just point fingers. It's such a 'spoiled child' way of thinking. Reminds me of my teen sister in canada, who hates just about everything because she's too lazy to tackle any difficulties, she's just plain upset because they're there. guess I should give her a tour

LOL

Look at the Yin/Yang symbol (technically Buddhist, a popular subject today). For all the 'love' and 'good' side of it there is a spot of 'hate' and 'evil', and for all the evil/hate, there is a spot of good/love.

And that can be turned yet again. Nothing is created evil, thereby the spot of good in the bad, and nothing good, is immune to ever being 'bad' (except in rare cases, I'm talking generally here). Therefore, they in some way, create a balance, each having a part of the other, yet, each side moves more in one direction, both of which create a whole. And wholly at odds, yet with a spot in common with the other's majority, they are the twin sides of the two ways of life, in this world, and beyond.

Wow, I just got New Agey for ya.

To me Love and hate are very scary.

It's because the more u love a person,the more danger it will come to hate when the person betray u.As if u contribute a lot to a person or a job.Once it's being betray.Then hate will be very powerful. It will end up in hurting one of the person,fighting will be occur and may lead to dead.

Love and hate are scary But they always exist.

I think i need to add some more thing is just like if u are very religious to a religion or love to the religion.Once someone find the fault of the religion.U just can't take the comment and will have religion fighting against the person who find the fault.Because u always believe that it's always perfection.But in fact in this world nothing is perfection.

Love is like a river before it can flow, you must let it go.

That doesn't make any sense.
Nature does not just create a river and let it go.
How about...
Love is like a river before it can flow, you must melt the snow on the mountain?

some very interesting thoughts here.

on animals: I don't believe in souls. Whatever it is that gives life, it is equal to all living things to me. I agree that hate=fear. However, animals too are capable of killing for pleasure. We define animals as not knowing "right" or "wrong", but we don't know if this is true for all animals.

on love and hate: We surely can experience love without experiencing hate. A baby loves its mother perhaps, prior to ever hating anything (unless we define hate=fear at the most basic instinctual level). However, experiencing hate does give more insight into love. Love is a trust connection to me, where hate is a distrust connection. Connection being the key here, for we can not truly love or hate something we have no connection to.

Loving without hate? Maybe loving without extreme hate. Or extreme hate with barely any love. If the thing that makes love so great is its transitional quality, thats the feeling thats so good as you get closer to someone you realize you love, Then the only way for you to come into a loving feeling is to come out of a state of hatred. Like how you can't feel warm next to a fire unless your body is already less than the fires tempurature. Hmmm, but not extreme hatred though, but more of a repulsed state. I guess it's more of a hatred of circumstance, you don't feel hateful you just are where you would be as if you activley did feel hateful. So I guess I'm thinking next is are we born into a state of separatedness that is imbued with a natural hateful existence and are really working our entire lives to exprience the non-existence of this hatred?

Along the same lines of "without suffering your losses, one can never truely enjoy the spoils of victory". Also wise words and I also give kudo's to you guys.

And my grandfather, on my mothers side (Native American Sauk), told me something similar, except it involved bears. But the point remains, and it is a wonderful quote that everyone should teach to their children. BEAUTIFUL!

LOL
No it basically means like you have to trust you partners love before they can ever truly love you back or you have to let them go even if you love them, so they can love back, even if they are not loveing u back , but someone else.

So much good can be created through love...

Love your enemies, it may surprise them...



LBD