If God wants to make people see how great he really is then why would he send them down to hell? Instead of sending them down to hell then why doesn't he let them stay in heaven and help the people who didn't believe in him abother chance to? Some people have to see to believe, and if God doesn't give them another chance to see that he's real then everyone might as well go to hell. People disearve a 2nd chance...even a 3rd or 4th chance. If God loves us like a father he wouldn't disown us and send us to hell, he would try to teach us, make us believers. He can do that in heaven too. He's a selfish spirit if he doen't treat us like his children, we are all of his children, he should believe in us that I can believe in him. It's a 2 way street, he needs to understand us too, forgive, and teach.

Raises alot of thoughts and questions..

People GET a second chance. It's called reincarnation, and for some that comes after hell.

And if a killer reincarnated, was still a killer, thats a passion for them.
Same thing, go to hell.

"IF YOU'RE NOT GUILTY ABOUT IT THEN DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT."

They will, if they do the same again. And again, and again and again until they make amendments for what they have done.

This idea of God as a big cosmic judge concerned with the minute details of all of our lives is becoming increasingly obsolete.

reincarnation? what happened to spending 'eternity in the pit'? where is the chance for reincarnation?

Bah..I hate the phrase 'send ppl to hell'..God doesnt send ppl to hell: we have freedom of choice whether or not we want to go to hell..

Look at it like this; choosing to accept Jesus Christ as ur personal saviour costs you nothing, is an absolute free gift..so I just accepted him with the justification that even if heaven doesnt exist, what have I lost by believing? And if it does exist, well then I'm getting into heaven because of it. Its a win-win situation lol..

- Dark

I dont believe in god, and i think if he is real im incredably angry at him, god sends people who dont beleive in him to hell, what about people who have been brought up in a different religon, and people who have never heard of god, is he gona send all those porr poeple 2 hell?

Natxx

Ashley, I suggest you study first. Reincarnation? No ... GOD believes that your life on EARTH is a trial, you can live life right, or wrong. He leaves it up too you, GOD gives you more than enough chances.

Yeh life is a trial, but its only 2 decide if u go 2 heaven or hell, but what about people who havent heard off god, and the people who repent on there death beds, of course ur gona say sorry when ur diein, that dont mean you should get 2 heaven

natxx

Hell or some ind of similar doesn't seem that much of a bad thing under a two conditions.
1) This hell isn't permanent and the soul only stays there till the person learns to grow.
2) The person is sent to Hell not by a conscious God but by the nautral laws of metaphysics that science has yet to prove publicly-that all like spirit energy attracts. Eg a good aura will attract a another good aura.
I don't understand the whole we send ourselves to Hell. Isn't it God who made up the rules to get into Heaven? Didn't "he" mention that he dislikes gays and so they wont be getting into Heaven? Doesn't that mean that "he" chooses who goes into Heaven and who is sent to Hell?

I am confused, are you actually saying there is a hell?

No, but I'm not saying there isn't. I believe all our actions affect us in some way. My point there was that Hell wouldn't be that bad and maybe quite logical. Though my version would probably be quite different from others.

ah, now I get you.

maybe it could be all the crappy things you have done throughout life come back and bite you in the ass. I don't think it (if it exists) will be a cavernous dark place with devils flapping about and souls wailing in eternal torment as I dont believe the concept. I think when we shuffle off this mortal coil, that mass of energy (the soul, for want of a term) gets absorbed back into our natural surroundings.

Hoagy

So you believe we have no real afterlife?

Okay, this whole reincarnation thing is crap. Why would God want to torture us in Hell for a while and then once we're really sorry he'll go "Okay, you can go to heaven, but only this once, if you screw up again you're goin' to HELL!" Honestly.... if he loves us he would send us to heaven first and teach us all of the wonderful things God is. Why the heck would he send us down to hell to torture us if he knew that we didn't understand god and didn't believe? If he really loved us he would help us understand in heaven, and not let us burn in hell because we didn't believe him at one time in our lives. Our lives are just a little while, an eternity in heaven or hell is forever. So forever damn us God for you not showing us who you really are and send us to freakin' hell!

Not in the sense that it is being talked about here, no.

Sending people to an eternity of anything would be hell.

People who have never heard of Jesus Christ will not go to hell because they have never had the chance to accept Him. Those who have heard of Jesus Christ, and choose not to accept Him on their own free will do go to hell. And the thing about asking for forgiveness on your deathbed, God knows if you're really sorry, and actually believe He exists... He knows all.

"well, God never showed Himself to me, so i can't believe in Him" God tries to get you to see Him all the time. Whether it be through somone preaching the His word, or something miraculous happening in your life. Even something like this week when on the forum we were talking about fear of God, and when i went to church, the topic was exactly that... fear of God. That's the type of thing that keeps my faith strong, especially with the countless times things like that have happened.

But I have to ask, how do you really know?

Because it says in the Bible.

ah, so it is written, so shall it be...

i agree to that

Do NOT judge man for where they will go, etc. That is up to God and the angels that deal with such things. It has been written, 'man was not made for judgement', so therefore, leave judgement to the experts.

I have said this before, but it is relevant again...

I really don't think it is God who sends anyone to hell... It is our own sins that send us there... So in a sense, we send ourselves to hell...

LBD

AH....But it was God that made Hell right?

The wages of sin is death. For anyone in this world to say that they do not believe in God is actually them rebelling against God. Everyone believes in God. Like someone said earlier, believing in Jesus is a free gift. So, you know not accepting Jesus sends you to hell, then why do you still choose not to believe? See, it's your choice. If you know the book of Revelations, it talks about the Lake of Fire. This place is actually different than hell. Even hell and death itself will be thrown into the lake of fire. Nobody spends an eternity in hell. The lake of fire is actually a place where your punishment is based upon your works. That is, you had a good life, but never believed in God, you're punishment won't be bad.

See, we're all sinners and deserve death and hell. Jesus came and died for our sins. At the point of his death, God threw all the sins of the world onto Jesus. He paid the price for them. If you don't believe that, then your price isn't paid. If you don't even believe in God or hell or Satan, then what are you worried about? Or am I true that everyone believes in God?????????

Ask the christains that question. THERE IS NO HELL. therefore, god can't send us there. I don't believe he has that type of power. He is an intellect like us, but in soul-like form, and much more evovled. He can't disturb our free will, which, by the way, living in fear of hell and sin is doing.

QueenoftheNight what is your religion.

Don’t have one. I believe in god, but differently then Christian’s picture. I believe Jesus was not the "son" of god, but god himself in human form. I believe god is simply an evolved intellect, with similar emotions and what not... in soul-like form. I believe that we have complete free will, and no one can disrupt that. I also believe that all animals and plants have souls, but the earth is kind of one connected soul with god, as is all the plants of universe. I don't believe in hell, or sin. I believe everyone is born good, not evil and sinful like Christians think. I believe that murder and all that is done for a reason (sickness and what not) and you are not going to be punished for something you did in our mortal world. I believe that when you die, you will understand everything god knows and will share with you the questions of the universe and how things came about ect. I also believe in evolution. I believe god wanted us (plants, animals, ect.) to grow and evolve on our own. If you want to know more, PM me.

Yes... Whats your point my friend...

Not trying to back me into a corner are you?


Ah saucy your posts are always so nice to read... I was actually thinking about writing a post about the lake of fire, but you got to it first....

LBD

A Ha! So does that mean, Jesus being our Lord and Savior and all, would save any one who calls out to him?

All those sent to hell would eventually would believe in God because to experience hell is to have a feeling that the Holy Bible is true, therefore God is correctly real. And once he who calls out to Jesus believes, will be saved by Jesus....me thinks...

am I close?

P.S. If you think i'm stating that hell/God is real....i'm not(I believe in it though).

Hailo, your taking what he said out of context...

Nobody will spend an eternity in hell because thats not Gods punishment...


LBD

Yeah, that makes a lot more sense...

Now would I do that?
Then what is Hell? What is Hell for? Why is there a Hell? Last but not least....What is Gods punishment?

Glad you asked...

Hell is a waiting place...
Hades is broken into two parts... The place where the good went, and a place where sinners go... When Jesus died he went to the good portion of Hades and unlocked it, so now who so ever goes there just go straight to Heaven...
Now Gods punishment is the "Lake of Fire" (sounds pretty bad, but I would say its not half as bad as Hell), but this place you are given a punishment suited to the life you lived... You are judged according to the way you lived...


LBD

*is amazed that nobody has challenged Saucy's ludicrous statement that "everyone believes in God."*

Dante, following Virgil, the Poet from Mantua, comes to the gate of Hell; where, after having read the dreadful words that are written thereon, they both enter into Hell.

“THROUGH me you pass into the city of woe:
Through me you pass into eternal pain:
Through me among the people lost for aye.
Justice the founder of my fabric moved:
To rear me was the task of Power divine,
Supremest Wisdom, and primeval Love.
Before me things create were none, save things
Eternal, and eternal I endure.
All hope abandon, ye who enter here.”

Relax, its only a generalization....as i've heard so many insulted at my religion and yet I wonder why they weren't responded as ludicrous...

It's not a generalisation...what Saucy is attempting to do is justify the twisted notion of his god's unjustified regime over mankind by claiming we all "believe" in god...therefore, by denying him, he are rebelling against him.

I do not believe in god...I consider his existance a supposition...a myth, utterly without evidence of logic. I have no reason to believe in him, nor do I believe I ever will. I'm sure there are a great many people who believe much the same thing as I do.

Then, of course, we have the many, many religions other than Christianity, who I'm sure would be quite offended by Saucy's biased and, quite frankly, arrogant claim. "I'm right, and secretly, you all know it."

Don't be ridiculous.

I'm not trying to. The population of the world may believe in God or not. He said that everyone believes in God.

No, I remember many posts of people exclaiming how unforgiving, unrespectful, how ruthless or greedy they can be...I don't want to be portrayed as that.

I'm sorry if Saucy said that. I'm sure it was just a mistake, everyone can be wrong.

You're right, obviously they can be Unless he's trying to say that simply knowing about the mythology surrounding god amounts to the same as "believing" in him.

By that logic, I know about the stories of Zues...however, by not believing in him, I am rebelling against him Armed with this knowledge, I shall have to take precautions.

When my time comes, I'd best make sure I'm buried with a fire retardant blanket, incase those Furies come looking for me...while I'm at it, I should also pack an extra large bag of dog buiscuits, to fed off Cerberus.

It might also be a good idea to carry my visa, just incase Charon doesn't accept mastercard

Going to Heaven through Hell. Self delusional! Why answer?

No doubt about it!



Wrong! Jesus came in order to teach with his life the way we must undertake IF we want to avoid to fall into Hell or Devolution!



Wrong! At the point of his death, his Inner God forgave only the sins of Jesus



The Cosmic Christ paid the price of the sins of Jesus as he did when incarnated within Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Mohamed, etc., etc., etc.



Even if you believe that your price isn't paid. Because it is not a matter of believing, it is a matter of developing your Inner Christ within!



If you believe in God or hell or Satan, but you do not develop Christ within, then you must worry about! Because in hell there are many who believe in God!


Enraged Sanctimonious Demons dwell within the sixth gulf of Dante’s hell; these are the hypocrites; which punishment is, to pace continually round the gulf under the pressure of caps and hoods that are gilt on the outside, but leaden within.

There are many who believe on the cleansing of their physical bodies, yet, they never shower, thus they are durty! Likewise there are many who believe in salvation, yet, they are not saved, because they do not clean themselves psychologically.

It will be good to read IMITATION OF CHRIST by Thomas A, Kempis!

The first one, you're wrong, it even says that all the sins were put on Jesus and he was seperated from God at the mean time, why would Jesus yell out, ELI ELI, llama sabachtini(sp?) (My God, My God why have you for saken me?).

The second one, Buddha was no cosmic Christ but a Hindu who said how can God exist with all the suffering so he started his own religion to achieve inner peace. Buddhism says nothing about a God, just some Buddhist view Buddha as a God. God said to have no other God or worship any idols. Krishna has many idols made of himslef and worshiped like Shiva, ganish (goofy elephant looking God), and so on. Jesus was Jesus he was never incarnateed as anyone else, where are the bases of these claims?

I meant that everyone believes in a God at some point in their life. The bible says everyone believes in God because we were programmed that way, but try to purposely ignore Him or cover Him up. The words used exactly was vain imaginations. You actually have to be taught not to believe in God. Nor did I even mean specifically the Christian God. The Indians believed in a great spirit in the sky. Even Greek mythology and such believed there was a god above all. People that are blind and deaf, such as Hellen Keller, knew there was a God, but didn't know his name. Everyone believes.

Saucy, all that you've demonstrated is that culture lacking in understanding of the world around them tend towards spirituality. As I've said before, mankind, as a sentient being, has a need to question their existance...spirituality is one of the many ways in which man decides to find its answers...that is, of course, before the modern era, where we're able to answer most of these questions ourselves.

The bible is a several thousand year old mythology...I hardly think its take on human behaviour, based on knowledge and ideals of that period, is going to be especially accurate. I think you'll find that there are a great many people in the world who do not, and have never, believed in god.

Most untrue statement ever. That's why America is over 80% Christian and the world's leading country. You've demonstrated lack of researching.