Ok Jesus came from a place where men and women were not white, then how come we worship i white god and i white jesus? If jesus was like man and took the form of man then how come he wasn't black or asina? Who says jesus is white? If jesus was white in a coloured community does that not mean that white people our godly, i don't think so, because that would be racist? So is our bible wrong, or is God racist?
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Because when Christianity hit Europe... that's what they knew. By then it was a couple hundred years past Jesus even being alive. So when they did paintings and murals of him.. they made him like themselves. Technicaly, he's not even supposed to have long hair.. it was a tabo for men to sport thier hair long... that was for women to do.
the *earliest* depictions of Jesus, he was modled after Apollo. Olive skinned, short black hair, and holding a lamb.
Little known is.. Apollo kept a flock of sheep... and he was depicted with olive skin, short black hair, and holding a lamb.
the *earliest* depictions of Jesus, he was modled after Apollo. Olive skinned, short black hair, and holding a lamb.
Little known is.. Apollo kept a flock of sheep... and he was depicted with olive skin, short black hair, and holding a lamb.
Thats a very good point but we still think of god as white 2day, and the virgin mary is white in all churches, and she wasnt a direct product of god
He was of a mediterranean jewish decent, tan.
Yeh well u get the point, im trying not 2 get the spelling of races wrong cause i dont wana offened
Jesus was born a Hebrew, so he was Arab looking. He wasn't black, white, or Asian but Herbrew. 
Yeh but the point is, jesus isnt white!!!
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Yeh but the point is, jesus isnt white!!!
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I know full bloods that are white and i'm naitve American No lies! but jesus white?
I'll go with the theory he's not white. he's some other color.
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Thats a very good point but we still think of god as white 2day, and the virgin mary is white in all churches, and she wasnt a direct product of god
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Not in every church she is not, in some she is known as the Black Madonna.
Jesus was an olive/tan colour, as was everyone from that area.
And, as God is not a person, It can't be a colour.
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Jesus was born a Hebrew, so he was Arab looking. He wasn't black, white, or Asian but Herbrew.
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I never remembered hebrew being a race, but a language and culture.
I agree with SilverCougar the only reason he is white because nobody knew of any other races, and saw they saw Jesus as white. Today some ignorant people actually believe the white race is superior over other races so Jesus had to be white cause God looks white. And another odd note he is somewhat small and skinny for an carpenter.
However did you know the Ethiopians and many black nations show Jesus as a black man, I'm not sure when christianity reached these nations but obviously they never knew what a Jesus looked liked and made him there own.
Some people just take Man is created in gods image literally.
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I agree with SilverCougar the only reason he is white because nobody knew of any other races, and saw they saw Jesus as white.
They knew of other "races" (I don't like that word. Gene pool is more accurate.) There were Moors, Arabs, and others living in the Roman Empire. There was a lot of trading between cultures. But if you want to sell an idea to a bunch of white people you make it white.
Ahh but it says in the bible that god based peole on himself, on his own apperence!
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They knew of other "races" (I don't like that word. Gene pool is more accurate.) There were Moors, Arabs, and others living in the Roman Empire. There was a lot of trading between cultures. But if you want to sell an idea to a bunch of white people you make it white.
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Well that is true but the overwhelming population of the European catholics did not know of the ancestry of Jesus, by 70 ce the area of the Jewish/Arab and Christian/Arab ancestry were no longer part of the population of rome, and some parts of the middle east. The first known paintings of Jesus and Mary or any other disciples were not created until around 1200 ce and bloomed in 1300 ce when the Renaissance started to emerge, as to whether there were any other paintings of christ before hand I do not know enlighten me if you do know. And I believe it was around 1000 ce when the church started to use images to describe Jesus in the church wih stained glass. And all of them were white
God is in all of us, whether we're red, black or white. God really can't be given an accurate description, because God is an entity. As for Jesus, history & the bible pretty much gives the description of how he should have looked - Middle Eastern - a person of color!
But each race, culture, etc. gives the description of Jesus in their own likeness. By doing this, it gives them the feeling of being closer to Jesus & God.
But each race, culture, etc. gives the description of Jesus in their own likeness. By doing this, it gives them the feeling of being closer to Jesus & God.
teen_freek, whatever point it is you're trying to make, if you believe in Jesus, his skin color is't going to interest you more than what He did for you. So, what Im trying to say is that skin color does not matter at all. But fortunately, for you, there is a movie called Bruce Almighty. 
I don't believe in God or Jesus and my point is as a person who has been brought up 2 believe in God i have found may things to change my faith.
Bruce almighty is the only movie where god is black, and the christian church went mad about it, 4 flip sake the church warns that sponge bob makes children gay, but if god has already picked whats going to happen to us all, then murders and gay people(who i have no problems with btw
) are all Gods fault
Bruce almighty is the only movie where god is black, and the christian church went mad about it, 4 flip sake the church warns that sponge bob makes children gay, but if god has already picked whats going to happen to us all, then murders and gay people(who i have no problems with btw
) are all Gods fault
God wanted a universe of balance. He gave us free-will, fully aware that eventually something might go wrong. But can we blame God for being bored and simply wanting some excitment? God is not black nor white.
We do not know if colors exist at all in His dimension. All we know... or believe... is that Jesus was born half Hebrew. What other DNA strand He had is a mystery. But that is why I believe in the Bible UFO connection. God made a supreme race which directly represents Him. The world is not perfect. We just have to accept the known.... or believed facts and live with it.
We do not know if colors exist at all in His dimension. All we know... or believe... is that Jesus was born half Hebrew. What other DNA strand He had is a mystery. But that is why I believe in the Bible UFO connection. God made a supreme race which directly represents Him. The world is not perfect. We just have to accept the known.... or believed facts and live with it.
Hey well look im a 14 year old girl and i have read the bible and i fail to see how it is believeable, now look out 4 the name natalie cathcart cause when im older im gona write a book and show people just how easy it is to write a peice of fiction, because to me thats all the bible is!!
Suppose you wrote about about the distant future... What if what is now known as sci-fi won't be a thousand years later? Did't we land on the moon? Did't we invent the airplane? And does't the Bible predict the end? Well... If one chooses to believe it, he/she has nothing to loose. And chances are that he/she will have something to gain; and if its the truth, then it nullifies all the other chances. So, its a book thats 50 - 50 true that you claim to be fiction. So, if we're that dumb, the least we can do is ask ourselves... "Which belief does more to benefit mankind?" Surely the Bible does.
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"Which belief does more to benefit mankind?" Surely the Bible does.
You only need to look at what society was like when ruled by the law of the church, when compaired to the huge leaps and bounds made after religion stopped being the defining element in our culture, to see that this statement is absolute rubbish. Religion has, to date, done far more harm to humanity than good.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3958241.stm
read and learn
btw haven't any of you heard of the black madonna
I can't believe you're even discussing this.
Jesus was born of jewish parents
If you want to know what he looked like go and look at a Rabbi at your local synagogue
If he was a caucasian then you think the bible might have mentioned it
I.e. Mary was delivered of a son and he was a white guy, which was odd.
Still must have been a miracle of some sort, a woman getting pregnant like that when her husband was away and her not getting stoned to death for adultery.
I must admit though I applaud the brilliance of her excuse.
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btw haven't any of you heard of the black madonna
I can't believe you're even discussing this.
Jesus was born of jewish parents
If you want to know what he looked like go and look at a Rabbi at your local synagogue
If he was a caucasian then you think the bible might have mentioned it
I.e. Mary was delivered of a son and he was a white guy, which was odd.
Still must have been a miracle of some sort, a woman getting pregnant like that when her husband was away and her not getting stoned to death for adultery.
I must admit though I applaud the brilliance of her excuse.
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a woman getting pregnant like that when her husband was away
According to the Bible Mary was pregnant before they got married. 
Teen-freek... you make some very good points, based on logic. Welcome to this forum, Natalie.
I agree with Seraphina here
... Religion/Church is an instrument of man to control others... which is why history demonstrates corruption within the church... it's all about power.
The "skin color" issue is a "near-sighted error" of early Christians.
I agree with Seraphina here
... Religion/Church is an instrument of man to control others... which is why history demonstrates corruption within the church... it's all about power.
The "skin color" issue is a "near-sighted error" of early Christians.
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yeh and that in itself is a sin!!
"The "skin color" issue is a "near-sighted error" of early Christians. "
Not just early christians
Go and ask the pope if he thinks that jesus was a black guy.
It's constitutional racism in my opinion.
And yes i realise that is only my opinion before any die hard R.C.s want to dispute it.
At the end of the day that is what faith is for.
It glosses over all the errors nicely doesn't it
Not just early christians
Go and ask the pope if he thinks that jesus was a black guy.
It's constitutional racism in my opinion.
And yes i realise that is only my opinion before any die hard R.C.s want to dispute it.
At the end of the day that is what faith is for.
It glosses over all the errors nicely doesn't it
i for one don't worship a white Jesus. I know that my Savior was hebrew.... the reason why most depictions of Jesus are of a white man is because either the picture was made by a white person a few hundred years back... their idea of beauty was a white person with long flowing hair, not a middle eastern with short hair.
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yeh and that in itself is a sin!!
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"The "skin color" issue is a "near-sighted error" of early Christians. "
Not just early christians
How many other "Errors have there been? Not just early christians
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You only need to look at what society was like when ruled by the law of the church, when compaired to the huge leaps and bounds made after religion stopped being the defining element in our culture, to see that this statement is absolute rubbish. Religion has, to date, done far more harm to humanity than good.
You seem to confuse religion with the Bible. As far as christianity, the Bible always preceded religion. Religion did't make the Bible. The book made the religion, and God inspired the book. Again, religion is baloney. Don't listen to it. Rather, listen to the Bible because thats where our basis of morals and values are. What seperates us from the animals is that we're a special creation of God designed to subdue the earth and live forever. But ever since man sinned against God, the doctrines of men have corrupted our thinking and our lifeline depleted ever since. If you follow the wisdom of Jesus Christ our Lord, it does benefit mankind more than we'll ever know.
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listen to the Bible because thats where our basis of morals and values are.
This is the same bible that talks about slavery, has stories (in the old testament certainly) where people are specifically instructed to kill non believers, where homosexuality is called "abominable"...I could go on, but honestly, must I?
The bible is most certainly not the basis for moral values. Morality (more specifically altruism) is a result of natural selection.
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listen to the Bible because thats where our basis of morals and values are.
This is the same bible that talks about slavery, has stories (in the old testament certainly) where people are specifically instructed to kill non believers, where homosexuality is called "abominable"...I could go on, but honestly, must I?
The bible is most certainly not the basis for moral values. Morality (more specifically altruism) is a result of natural selection.
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Look up
Deut 21:18-21 on how to discipline your child.
If say Winston Churchill was purple would it make any difference to his accomplishments?
Colour of a mans skin makes no difference at all
Colour of a mans skin makes no difference at all
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listen to the Bible because thats where our basis of morals and values are.
The bible is most certainly not the basis for moral values.
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Excuse me? Have you ever gotten your hard head to read what Jesus said (which if you know anything is what Christianity is based on). I'm sure Jesus preached to kill your neighbors and think high of yourself above others.
Excuse me? Have you ever gotten your hard head to read what Jesus said
No actually I haven't which must make me an awful sinner.
I keep checking my bible but can't seem to find a gospel according to jesus anywhere in it. Do I need to get a different version or am I making an elementary error.
No actually I haven't which must make me an awful sinner.
I keep checking my bible but can't seem to find a gospel according to jesus anywhere in it. Do I need to get a different version or am I making an elementary error.
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listen to the Bible because thats where our basis of morals and values are.
The bible is most certainly not the basis for moral values.
Excuse me? Have you ever gotten your hard head to read what Jesus said (which if you know anything is what Christianity is based on). I'm sure Jesus preached to kill your neighbors and think high of yourself above others.
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listen to the Bible because thats where our basis of morals and values are.
The bible is most certainly not the basis for moral values.
Excuse me? Have you ever gotten your hard head to read what Jesus said (which if you know anything is what Christianity is based on). I'm sure Jesus preached to kill your neighbors and think high of yourself above others.
u show me in the bible where jesus preached that and i'll become an atheist. U are utterly misinformed, i suggest u reread for ur self and then post.
^^UHHH what the heck are you talking about? I said it in sarcasm.
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Excuse me? Have you ever gotten your hard head to read what Jesus said (which if you know anything is what Christianity is based on). I'm sure Jesus preached to kill your neighbors and think high of yourself above others.
She didnt say that the bible didnt have morals in it, she said that the bible is not what morals are based on. To say that morals are based on the bible means that there were no morals before the bible.
Back on topic...if jesus really lived and was born to hebrews then I think he should be portrayed as such but I guess there's no harm in fashioning him to fit your own race as long as we all respect each others interpretation ...right? Im not a Christian but just wanted to throw my two cents in.
jesus was obviously likened to a mid eastern appearence, but I have a dream.........that someday that neither the color black nor white but only the color green would matter......money, money, money money,..mmmmooooneeeeyyyyy. $$$$. lol
QUOTE(teen_freek @ Mar 18 2005, 02:22 PM)
Ok Jesus came from a place where men and women were not white, then how come we worship i white god and i white jesus? If jesus was like man and took the form of man then how come he wasn't black or asina? Who says jesus is white? If jesus was white in a coloured community does that not mean that white people our godly, i don't think so, because that would be racist? So is our bible wrong, or is God racist?
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WTF did you get any idea that Jesus was white from??? He is NOT white, He is Hebrew/Jewish, fullblood. His entire genology is HEBREW. He was the promised Messiah of the HEBREWS, but He came for the souls of EVERYONE. That does not however, detract from the fact that he was Jewish.
Jesus was most likely brown or black... I seriously doubt he was white...
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Do I need to get a different version or am I making an elementary error.
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Well that's a matter of opinion since the 'Bible' has been cut to pieces to many times.
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listen to the Bible because thats where our basis of morals and values are.
The bible is most certainly not the basis for moral values.
Excuse me? Have you ever gotten your hard head to read what Jesus said (which if you know anything is what Christianity is based on). I'm sure Jesus preached to kill your neighbors and think high of yourself above others.
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listen to the Bible because thats where our basis of morals and values are.
The bible is most certainly not the basis for moral values.
Excuse me? Have you ever gotten your hard head to read what Jesus said (which if you know anything is what Christianity is based on). I'm sure Jesus preached to kill your neighbors and think high of yourself above others.
u show me in the bible where jesus preached that and i'll become an atheist. U are utterly misinformed, i suggest u reread for ur self and then post.
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Luke 19:27(KJV)
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Not a neighbor but he is giving an order to "SLAY" someone.
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Jesus was born a Hebrew, so he was Arab looking. He wasn't black, white, or Asian but Herbrew.
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I never remembered hebrew being a race, but a language and culture.
I agree with SilverCougar the only reason he is white because nobody knew of any other races, and saw they saw Jesus as white. Today some ignorant people actually believe the white race is superior over other races so Jesus had to be white cause God looks white. And another odd note he is somewhat small and skinny for an carpenter.
However did you know the Ethiopians and many black nations show Jesus as a black man, I'm not sure when christianity reached these nations but obviously they never knew what a Jesus looked liked and made him there own.
Some people just take Man is created in gods image literally.
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Right! God's image could just mean that we have 2 legs, 2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 arms, and 1 nose...But who knows. Could just mean that our soul is modeled after his/her/its...Ya never really know...
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Ok Jesus came from a place where men and women were not white, then how come we worship i white god and i white jesus? If jesus was like man and took the form of man then how come he wasn't black or asina? Who says jesus is white? If jesus was white in a coloured community does that not mean that white people our godly, i don't think so, because that would be racist? So is our bible wrong, or is God racist?
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WTF did you get any idea that Jesus was white from??? He is NOT white, He is Hebrew/Jewish, fullblood. His entire genology is HEBREW. He was the promised Messiah of the HEBREWS, but He came for the souls of EVERYONE. That does not however, detract from the fact that he was Jewish.
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Thats what im saying, every1 has been brought up to think that jesus it white, when he seriously couldnt have been!!
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listen to the Bible because thats where our basis of morals and values are.
This is the same bible that talks about slavery, has stories (in the old testament certainly) where people are specifically instructed to kill non believers, where homosexuality is called "abominable"...I could go on, but honestly, must I?
The bible is most certainly not the basis for moral values. Morality (more specifically altruism) is a result of natural selection.
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I like your style. We are ever evolving self-conscious creatures and I haven't seen a religion or a bible yet that shows us our true potential but rather inhibits growth through fear and usery.
QUOTE(teen_freek @ Mar 18 2005, 09:22 AM)
Ok Jesus came from a place where men and women were not white, then how come we worship i white god and i white jesus? If jesus was like man and took the form of man then how come he wasn't black or asina? Who says jesus is white? If jesus was white in a coloured community does that not mean that white people our godly, i don't think so, because that would be racist? So is our bible wrong, or is God racist?
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Think of it this way...man was created in God's image... there are multiple races in this world, that would mean God is a part of them all or he is a part of ourselves regardless of race...so likewise Jesus could have been white, or black, in whatever picture or whatever, but he represents something more than a nationality.
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