Should we forgive the creator of this universe as he or she has given the living lifes confuse of why make them confuse about why this universe is created and there are so many suffering and confusing and yet he or she didn't appear to show this world of his or her present exist.

Sorry 3rd choice unsure error.So if u are unsure pls don't vote but can write on ur post.

so far all I am confused about is what you just said?

I hope u understand now. Should we forgive the creator who create this universe.And there are so many people suffering,and why he or she wanna create it.Yet many people always say that God or Goddess or any supper intelligence forgive our mistake instate of the creator mistake.Therfore we may wanna or may no wanna forgive the creator.

If he or she don't created then there will be no one suffering and having the doubt of whether it's exist.

Perhaps the created love killing ,and seeing many living life suffering of pains,illness,hate,stress etc.

It reminds me of that court hearing that when Jewish priest trialed god, this was some time after the holocaust, does anybody remember what it was called? They claimed that god broke his covenant with the chosen people (The Jews) and allowed the horror that came upon them to happen when he promised to always protect them. so they prosecuted God but god never showed up for the trail and was found guilty for breaking his covenant with the Jews. And the punishment was to give them the nation of Israel.

It seems like you are a deuteronomist Transform you believe god is involved in the lives of humans, if the OT is an accurate document of history then it is true God did get involved in everyday human life when necessary, but this trial can prove a point for both deist and deuteronomist. One the Jews were right that god does exist and God broke his promise, but on the other hand Deist will say ha god did not show up for the trial so he has no say in everyday human life.

I think God is not responsible for anything, but so many religions say he does intervene in life, then he would be responsible.

Well the Jews forgave god and took Israel when it was given to them.

edit: my computer went crazy made corrections

Yea i forgive the creator mistake.

This is a selfish question.
One of the basic tenants of life is free will.
Where exactly is it written that we can have free will, until we believe that god should interceed.
Many diseases, like cancer, are mainly a product of mans distruction and lack of respect for what sustains him in this life, the earth
How easy it is to blame god for our own foolery.
How easy it is to blame god for all that is wrong in our life, our boring job, crappy family...yada...yada...yada
It is the victim mentality which causes the victim reality in which we live.
Those of us to take responsibility for our own actions and life find this question selfish and beyond contempt.
Time to grow up

there is only one main thing that can be blamed in the scheme of things, man. End of story,he may hide behind whatever facade he chooses, but essentially we are responsible for our own actions.

I do agree, but a lot of religions like judaism does say god will protect them in times of great need or that bad things happen when god is punishing his people.


Read Genesis or some where in the OT I don't know if it is different between the Jewish and Christian religion but this was told to me by a Jewish follower, That God would protect the Jews and intervene to protect them, like when God came in to destroy the city of Sodom I think, because they were un-righteous. I'll but the verses up if I could find them

I'm a deist and I bet God has better things to do then care about little humans.

wow-bizarre very cool topic!
anyone ever read harold kushner's "why bad things happen to good people"?
it's sort of borderline deist, or theist, but the idea is, that god set the whole thing up, and then chose not to interfere with his own laws. i never ever bought the n.t. comment about "not a sparrow falls" myself.there is free will, even though certain events are preplanned by the creator and can't be altered, even by him/her.
it's like the old paradox "can god make a boulder that he can't move?"
my answer is, unequivocably, of course he can! because gos created inertia and all other laws of science, and does not violate them!
this is also why, say for instance, if you ever go to the lourdes miracle site, you will find hundreds of crutches, left behind by people miraculously healed, but
NOT ONE SINGLE ARTIFICIAL LEG!
my vote is, i forgive god.

@Transform:

What are you on about??
Count me out, you make us sound like a bunch of lost children cursing upwards...

god created the laws of science?

absolutely.men only discovered them!

The power of prayer is very well known.
Prayer is thought, thought is energy, combine that energy with millions of prayers and you can get a miracle, as you like to call it.
We are all here to learn thru free will, and god does not interfere with that free will.
How you choose to live your life is how you will be judged.
The whole idea of life is to grow spiritually. Flesh is the test of spirit.
Keep blaming others for your inertia, and you fail the test.

I agree. God intended a universe of balance, and He cannot get involved into every bit. He is not just a God of love, but also a God of order and justice. He's not going to turn over the table just so one non-believing person would get a better job or a wife. Ever since humans fell into sin, sin is our master. We are all born theDevil's children! But God sent His Son as a sacrifice, so that God Himself could adopt us as His own child. Therefore, those that really do believe in salvation are God's children. Since God is our Father, we have the ability to ask our Father of anything we want. All it requires is us asking for it and having faith that we will recieve what we want. Now, of course, God will sometimes let certain things happen for the better. For example: To God, a christian's death is less important than an opportunity to save a non-believer. Because God knows the His children will be with Him. He is only worried about the lost. Kind of like a doctor. A doctor does't give medication for those who are healthy, but only for those who are sick. The price for the medication....? It may be a persons life. But no matter how terrible life may be, GOD is not to blame because He is in our best interest.

Try adding commas... Cuz I have NO clue what you said.

norman, maybe yo were the devil's child, but not me; i and the rest of humanity are children of god!

Should we forgove the creator of this thread?

1. NO

2. YEAH RIGHT NOT A CHANCE

3. TO FORGIVE HIM WOULD DO THIS IDIOTIC THREAD JUSTICE

Vote now...

We are all born theDevil's children!

Not me bub. I am well aware of where I came from.

Glad I was'nt the only one

Should we forgive the creator? Ha Ha...

I seriously doubt any creator would ask for, or want "our" forgiveness... What does it need that for?


LBD

There is nothing to forgive! He gave you life, what should be asked is will God forgive His creations? Man fell because of his own ignorance of the the difference between what is right and what is wrong that was even given to him (Adam) by God directly.

Thats already been answered...
Well at least from the christian view...

LBD

I edited it to give understanding for my response.

1.Forgive God/Goddess mistake to create this universe which lead many life suffering from illness,hate ,stress,killing ,greed.etc.

2.Do no forgive God/Godess mistake.

3.Unsure wannna forgive his or her mistake.50%-50%

4.God/Goddess is always right and he or she forgive our mistakes.

I added the (choice 4) for those who think God/Goddess is always right and he/she forgive our mistakes.

I'll take option 4 lol.

We should forgive period....

The ego knows no bounds

Especially for people who believe they are God.

Ouch...not very christian of you!!!tsk...tsk...tsk

Did it hurt?

Forgive him for what exactly?? It's not God's fault that humans choose to do bad things, when God created the world He GAVE it to us, it's not His fault we wrecked it. Don't forget that he gave us the gift of free will and what we choose to do with it is completely up to us.

If he created us, sure it is. Afterall, he "programmed" how we act and react to the evironment that he put around us. Since he knows all things, its evident that he did this willingly.

Blaming God is a realy easy way to blame someone else for what YOU do wrong, why not just take responsibility for your own actions.

Where's the option to blame yourself??? Why such a bias poll?

I dont blame god because I dont believe he exists. If he does, however, and he is all knowing and all capable, then yes, its his fault. If you build a robot to go and kill people, its not the robots fault for doing it.

well because god loves to take credit when good happens...its only fair that he takes credit for the bad as well, its not one or the other, its both

Although this is just the quote from a book (Although the series incorporates philosophy,) I think it explains very well WHY you should forgive. Forgiveness can surely smite vengeance.

"There is magic in forgiveness -the magic to heal! In the forgiveness you grant, and more so in the forgiveness you receive." - Terry Goodkind

Why not forgive? Why is there reason to hate out of ignorance, bias, or blindness? There is no reason to hate, because by hating you narrow your mind and weaken your perception. Something that may have seemed good before can take on a whole new shape when you hate something that relates to it. We are not ever going to have everlasting peace or bliss, but we can forgive!

Don't put blame on anybody, because blame can be a very terrible thing.

I'm not quite sure what your talking about here.
There is no creator

Well, God gave me this life... Even though it mainly sucks lemons... Though on the other hand, he gave me my steadfastly caring friends... Is there a right answer to this?!

Once again proof positive that we live in a victim reality world.
Blame others...blame god...blame everyone else because I am perfect...jeez

so if someone lives, lets say, down by a lake, and CHOSES not to learn to swim, and drowns, it is God's fault? or say a man murders 100 people, that is God's fault? NO, that is free will, my friend... the will to chose what we do, to chose what we learn and to chose to be good or evil...

God doesnt take credit, people give the credit to Him to Glorify His Name, because the good that happened was not possible without Him.

I actually happen to agree with you Lover.

Similarly, when bad things happen it's never God' fault. Never. Just like all the genocide and death and destruction of the OT.

The same people who are quick to say only good things come from god but bad things exist and happen in a vacuum special plead and suffer the cognitive dissonance of splitting hairs when defining God as omnipotent.

Yes because if he exists and is all what you people say he is, he made the person so that the person chooses not to learn to swim, and he made the circumstances forcing him in the water not knowing how to swim.



Yes, because god "programmed" how the person would act to the environment around him and god then made the environment around him. Couple the two together and god programmed the person to kill 100 people.

Ashley,

do you think your a god?