When you hear the word pyramid, most people think...Egypt!! For those of you who love your history, may of read about the pyramids in Mexico!!!

But what about these...






Why are there 3 major pyramid sites...?? Why are they so far away from eachother? These cultures never mixed remember...

What were the Chinese thinking when they built these...? Or did they?

Chinese pyramids

http://www.hallofmaat.com/read.php?1,31547...5474#msg-315474

Ones of the same origin who gave out the scientific and mathematical knowledge to build them as those who built the Egyptian ones. Those again being the angels of Enoch.

I'm under the impression that 'god' and 'angels' are beings from another planet. They're always noted as being, coming above - and the technologically ignorant could very easily considered these beings gods, angels.

The stone age tribes of the amazon don't believe that We are gods when we occaisonally fly in by helicopter. Why should we think our ancestors were primitive.
Theres a big difference between technologically primitive and gullible.

They are not beings from another planet in the 'alien/ufo' sense of the word. God created those planets. Technology doesn't make someone a god.

Uh huh. Angels and Aliens

OR maybe, just maybe, its a coincidence? Triangles being the easiest ancient structure to make?

Not the easiest but the shape was definetely well known. Thats why the pyramids are so rare as major structures Manfred.

Are there any details on the architectural design specifics for these pyramids? Do they match the geometrical arrangement and perfection of the Egyptian ones? Draw lines on the world map and see if the 3 sites form a perfect triangle ( ).

By the way there are small pyramids in Greece too. They were built on top of hill near some of the cities and used to gather moisture and funnel it through pipes into the city as a water supply. Not a big thing but I thought to mention that

Manfred, they are not just 'triangles' they are an elaborate pyramid shape, with perfect mathamatical proportions which line up with a constellation, and did originally shine with their limestone coating which has been taken off and re-used for many of the buildings that now stand in that area.

The Egyptian ones that is. Still, these follow the same form.

Although described as pyramids, I think these chinese burial tombs are actually closer in concept to the bronze age tumuli found in Britain. For starters, they're covered in earth (some even have trees growing on them). The pyramid shape is more by accident than design.



There's a good article about them here

Personally I’ve been to the Egyptian pyramids, and been to over eight different sites in Mexico including the famous Avenue of the Dead with its Sun and Moon pyramids. Personally, after walking on them, apart from the obvious shapes they have hardly anything in common. In the Mexican case it’s the easiest means to build a tall structure, wide at the bottom and getting smaller towards the top.

Just outside Mexico City.

Oh and a point of intrest, the pyramids of Teotihuacan (just outside Mexico City) rise as high as twenty-story buildings; the largest in the world!

And trust me, it is as big as it looks and it takes a long time to climb to its top.

Ok...so its not a coincidence.

*eats his words* needs salt

Yes at first look the evidence is overwhelming isn't it.
You're thinking how can these sites NOT be connected.
But this is as I have been pointing out to the guys here who believe all that they read or seen in a book because they've heard of the author.
In this case for instance the author has gone a long way to make sure no one says
"ah but where is the scale of each site and have those angles been measured ?"
So because of their shortsightedness I get another £1,000,000 form my publisher and hit the best sellers list.
Hancock and Sitchin are very guilty of tricks of the trade like this.
They do it all the time and nobody who wants to believe will notice, That'd be like admitting you were wrong to yourself
Hard to face if you've shot your mouth off claiming that what you believe is the whole and absolute truth
here endeth the lesson

well i think that triangle shapes are easier for pyramids then circles.. imagine a circle pyramid

The pyramids in China weren't originally covered in earth.... the jungle took them in over time.......

Can you verify that?

well think about it, these pyramids are near forests, dont you think they will eventually take over and cover the pyramids?

well think about it. Don't you mean "lets speculate endlessly without resorting to any facts"

woah, I thought it'd be easy to find proof that forests and jungles grow... but a google brought me nothing helpful... all global warming propaganda

so... maybe forests and jungles don't grow? heh

I googled the same thing and discovered that in ideal situations forests can expand by as much as 1% per year
Of course thats only Ideal situations
You're not going to get an answer to this question without taking into account the climate of the time
the type of forest
The human factor
The rainfall
The soil
etc
etc
the list is endless

Uh....then it wouldn't be a pyramid. It would be called a dome

Pity you weren't around to explain that to the Cuicuilcans when they built this

ladies and gentlemen I give you The Circular "Pyramid" Of Cuicuilco
The high rise buildings that can be seen in the far left of the picture are in mexico city


CUICUILCO: MEXICO'S MYSTERIOUS PYRAMID

All experts agree that the Cuicuilco pyramid is the oldest structure in the Anahuac Valley, which houses modern Mexico City, and the very first monumental construction in the Americas.

Disagreements as to its antiquity and the people who built it continue to this very day. Official records state that the Cuicuilco structures can be no older than 600 B.C., but revisionist figures claim the structure was built between 8,000 to 10,000 years ago, thus making it almost as old as the "Tepexpan Man," the earliest prehistoric dweller found in Mesoamerica.

Cuicuilco measures some 17 meters (56 feet) in height and has a diameter of 115 meters (380 feet). A series of ramps provided access to its uppermost tier, which housed a temple with a statue of Huehueteotl, the "Old God of Fire," the first deity worshipped on this continent.

The mighty circular pyramid is surrounded by smaller structures and rectangular buildings with well-finished floors which must have been houses.

Well the base is circular but not the pyramid it self.My grandma lives about an hour away from there so I should know.

Can you verify that?

Instead of me going through a bunch of searching to verify it you should do some research to see why I say that..... but the base is that when the forests and jungles start to grow on these structures they create a way for earth and other materials to start building up on them (taking thousands of years of course). Animals could leave dirt and spores they carry and the wind can cause spores to land there as well. Due to this after there is enough dirt for something to sprout it will and grow from there.... look at the pyramids in Mexico.... before we cut most of the jungle away all you seen was trees and a hill....... or maybe the people had done it at some point in history...

In Mexico City, Mexico there is in fact a completely round pyramid called TENOCHTITLAN 'Lake Texcoco', which is in fact an Aztec ALTAR! And it was discovered in 1982 when they were excavating Mexico City's extensive SUBWAY SYSTEM to the Zocalo (Main Square). The typical Aztec Style Circular Temple is dedicated to the wind God EHECATL or COATLICUE the Earth Goddess.

does anyone know what supposedly lies in the white pyramid? evidence of E.T visits?

apparently it was used for storing tea

herbal tea?

Then technically,they are temples and not pyramids,this is from the websters site:
1pyr·a·mid
Pronunciation: 'pir-&-"mid
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin pyramid-, pyramis, from Greek
1 a : an ancient massive structure found especially in Egypt having typically a square ground plan, outside walls in the form of four triangles that meet in a point at the top, and inner sepulchral chambers b : a structure or object of similar form

Aha, so because the Mexican pyramids were built in a jungle, you just assume - without doing any research - that the Chinese ones were also built in a jungle.

In fact they were built on open plains.

And the trees on them have been planted by locals.



And according to someone who;'s actually visited them

Always nice to read a thread where one half is trying to convince the other half and vice versa.

The fact is that despite all our technology and efforts, we don't really know anything. And I'm sure that, unless some book containing the thruth is going to be published (which marduk probably won't believe, because it is a book ), it will take a few decades (that's an understatement) before we start to really figure out our own past.

So until then, just explain your theories and views and read those of others. Don't try to convince each other that your views are right and theirs are wrong.
We're dealing with mysteries here, so nobody knows what's right and what's wrong. If someone would, it wouldn't be much of a mystery.

(If your not convinced by this post, well... hmm... )

Or on the other hand if you do want to know the truth right now you'd do better off joining this forum http://www.alternativearchaeology.org/phorum/index.php

N-Droe you know as well as I do that in a lot of cases the only motivation for being published is not so much a desire to see the truth told as an oppotunity to make money

The following authors have time and again shown an irresponsibility in their writings that clearly show a financial motive
Graham Hancock
Zechariah Sitchin

Read anything by those guys and youre diverting yourself from the answers

There are loads of others but these two are the worst of the bunch.

I know Marduk, I was just joking around. Relax man...



You're starting to sound like a fundamentalist Should we alert the government? (probably did that already by putting the word 'fundamentalist' in this post )

if you read my whole post you'd realize that at the end I said the people could have done it........

I'm a fundamentalist seeker of the truth
anything wrong with that
To alert the government you need to add the words Allah/Anthrax/bomb/Revolution/Osama Bin Laden
so now that I got their attention do you think you can find my motorcycle that was stolen from the side of the A12 in 1988.

But everything fundamentalist is wrong. Makes one close his or her eyes for other views.
But that's just my view on it
Whatever works for you.

I'm a fundementalist for the truth.
Is that so bad

No but only if you do not destroy a persons belief even if that truth is not correct (I don't want to say wrong).

I agree with Zandores view on it.
Since you never really know who's truth is right, even though you desperately believe yours is, it is in my opinion wrong to tell somebody that their views are wrong.

I have never attempted to destroy anyones belief
I am essentially a pantheist so its a little beyond my job description
changing someones belief in a falsehood is a different thing altogether
I believe i succesfully negotiated with adralameck until his belief in ECD was proved erroneous
Now is he mad at me for showing him that it was wrong
Or grateful now that he knows theres more information to be had
If you guys want to forego my experience and knowledge of these kind of subjects thats up to you
But in a few years time when you realise I was right all along it'll be a little too late to be friends
It'll also be years too late for you to catch up that hole in your knowledge which you'd been denying because you believed so strongly in something that wasn't true

Like a christian who dies and discovers theres no heaven
If it were you would you then curse the first atheist that told you the truth
or regret not getting to know him better and seeing what else he knows

This is all subjective
I don't need you guys to know the truth when I hear it
As far as I know you guys desperately need someone like me
Thats why I'm here
Call me devils advocate if you like but answer this question
who's knows more
you or the devil



Better to try a different approach don't you think
after all
putting me down will get you nowhere
I'm better than that
and I can prove it


n-droe you said " it will take a few decades (that's an understatement) before we start to really figure out our own past."
Who's the we in this case
I just think its you
lots of people don't want to wait decades so they've started without you
I'm one of them
Live with it or get with the program buddy

Ok, and how did you get all this knowledge? Did you study all the things you talk about for yourself and came to your theories? Or did someone tell it to you and you just beleive him/her? They remain theories.



I don't want to be buddies with someone who is s o convinced of what he thinks is true but has no real proof. Sounds like christianity to me...
You say you know, I say you think you know. And that's all right with me, as long as you keep respecting that other people think they know something else.
And I'm not puttign you down, I'm just stating my opinion on things.

Btw, what do you think causes aids? (just to check something)

The cause of A.I.D.S (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) is a virus called hepatitus.

" An HIV-positive person receives an AIDS diagnosis after developing one of the CDC-defined AIDS indicator illnesses. An HIV-positive person can also receive an AIDS diagnosis on the basis of certain blood tests (CD4 counts) and may not have experienced any serious illnesses. A positive HIV test does not mean that a person has AIDS. A diagnosis of AIDS is made by a physician according to the CDC AIDS Case Definition.

Over time, infection with HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) can weaken the immune system to the point that the system has difficulty fighting off certain infections. These types of infections are known as opportunistic infections. Many of the infections that cause problems or that can be life-threatening for people with AIDS are usually controlled by a healthy immune system. The immune system of a person with AIDS has weakened to the point that medical intervention may be necessary to prevent or treat serious illness. "

you were perhaps expecting me to say it is caused by homosexuals or God
non sequiteur
I am not a christian nor a homosexual
and I don't blame either of them
Some christians blame both
But thats right up until the point where they contract it themselves


"Ok, and how did you get all this knowledge? Did you study all the things you talk about for yourself and came to your theories"
I do my own research
If I hear a theory that makes sense i generally accept it until i find out the truth either way
I was once a big supporter of ECD and gods are astronauts
I have moved on and regret the time I wasted believing in things that aren't viable
It slowed down my quest for the truth somewhat

"I don't want to be buddies with someone who is so convinced of what he thinks is true but has no real proof."
I have proof but its amazing how few people are prepared to listen
I don't sound off on subjects I know nothing about
You'll never hear me talking about AE
I know very little about it
But I listen to those that do
And i'm a better person for it
nobody knows everything
I'm the first to admit I don't have all the answers
I do apparently have more answers than most but you'll only discover that if you stay open minded and objective
after all
do you love your mother
can you prove it ?
I'd believe you if you said you did because in that case your closer to the truth than I am

I think you're right Marduk, but I know an international group of people (of which memeber are doctors and virologistst) who would disagree with us.

And since there are some experts saying HIV causes aids and others saying aids is caused by other factors... who knows who's right. And exactly that's my point.

well i would say that the experts who say it is caused by H.I.V. are correct
because thats what they are succesfully treating patients for
If you don't think thats true go out and get yourself a g/f with H.I.V.
I'm sure you'll be ok ?
Possibly

at the end of the day knowing you are right isn't neccesary
knowing when you are wrong is essential

You've just proven my point Marduk.
Thank you

I'd be happy to prove any point you make
as long as its correct

It is true that a lot of Mexican pyramids are built in the jungle. But the most famous, The Avenue of the Dead, with its Sun and Moon Pyramids are built in the middle of a vast open plain. Also the other most famous was built on a small 1 mile wide island in the middle of an immense lake, surrounded by massive mountain ranges - that is where the modern day Mexico City stands. And a lot of these pyramids have been excavated. This was why I showed the photo of the Wind pyramid, (which is its name), because it was all in the same grouping of massive pyramids, under and around the modern day Mexico Cities El Zocalo!

The trees are planted to camouflage and discourage interest in them. You know what happened to the treasures in the egyptian pyramids.

Chinese are the bigest pyramid. http://www.crystalinks.com/pyramidchina.html

The reason alot of their ancient sites havnt been uncovered because they dont want to ruin them. EX: the army of soldiers they found were originaly in full color, but being exposed to the air they just turned to plain, dull color. My best friend is chinese, thats wher the info is from.

Youre talking about the terracotta warriors. They were originally painted to appear lifelike but the paint had gone long before they were dug up.
They were dug up by a conservation team so its unlikely they would have messed up that big. Some of them do have paint still, its just very dull