Just wondering: Which of you think that Time Travel will one day be possible, and which of you think that it is impossible? Just want some statistics... cya!

Adam

I think that with time we will discover a way to travel through time. Who knows? This ability could be right under our noses without us knowing so!

:-* Dakoda

In theory, I believe it's possible. In reality, I believe it COULD be possible. :D

Homer[glow=color,strength,width]

i definalety think it is possible, and i think it happens now,by that i mean that years from now it will happen even if it is just a mind thing and not actually a physical thing,so i think that when it does happen,surely they come and see us now.i know i would. ;)

C.

That depends on what you think that Time Travel is. Rellu going back in time and change things so that they are changed in the futere. Or going to anther dimension and that there is our past.. If you mean the second it is possible. But if you mean the first, it can't be done because the past is gone, and something that is gone can't be visited.

Odin Supreme  8)

Picture this: Let's say I was to walk down the street and see my future self. Okay okay. And then I grow up and go back in time to see my younger self walking down the street. And then that younger self grows up and so on. Time seems to be a continuuous loop. So if we time travel, whatever we do has already happened in another part of this time line, hasn't it? So the only way anything in the past, present, or future can change, is if someone or something from OUTSIDE time comes in and starts messing around with things. THAT is when timelines change and create other universes! Just a theory I just made up... pretty interesting I think.

Anyway, the past isn't just GONE... is it? If the past is gone, then there is no foundation for the present or future, and we wouldn't be here. Last year, I took a vacation in California... so the past is still there... if it wasn't, I couldn't have gone to California and I couldn't be remembering it right now. Well, that probably doesn't make any sense, but oh well.

Adam

Odin,

Knowing that we do not yet have such knowledge and technology that may someday enable us to visit the past or future, I would not jump to such conclusions as the past being completely gone, since there is no evidence to prove that being true.

JF,

You've got a pretty good theory going their, though.

Dakoda

Well, I didn't really meant that the past was gon, but that it is behind us, it is over, like a book that you have closed..

Odin Supreme 8)

Okay. The book is closed. But that book still has a story in it, and maybe that story has a mysterious character in it with strange technology... a time traveler. So sometime in the future, a time traveler has to go back in time to make that happen... thus, the book is opened. Like with the Egyptians... they were able to make huge pyramids... possibly with the help of somebody from the future. So until one of us decides to go back in time and help them, that book HAS to open. What do you think?

If there is some memory or awarness of the past, I say the book is never really closed at all.

Dakoda

Hmm, well another possibilaty to go to the past is by the mind. I think that the brainwaves of humas still excist after their death. So if we can "collect" them ans then "listnen" to them we are in the past.. There is another thing that I was thinking about. If the past is there, there is aslo an future, so it must be  possible to go there, if it is possible to go back..

Odin Supreme 8)

Picture this... Just an example: If somehow your life came into contact with a time machine so many years from now... you could easily test your theory by simply making a promise to yourself.
   By this I mean... Ok... I know that In the year 2036 i will come back to the past and 2 hours from today... write down on a piece of paper... the winning lottery numbers and drop them off on my current desk.
  Now myself... If I kept that promise to myself for the rest of my life, and I actuall had the chance to do so. Then 2 hours from now... I'd be so rich. 8)

Ah, I think I see what you're getting at! That's the kind of stuff that I fantasize about at night--it gets me pretty excited over what future technology holds for us--all the more possiblities of better life styles, more freedom, etc. I hope I'm not getting carried away with the topic here... ;D

Dakoda

Well... the future has a lot in store for us that is for sure. If we really think about it...our technology is so advanced right now that we know time is all that really holds us back from doing anything technological. Given the right amound of time and effort...if we can think it right now... it will happen someday.
  I think, in my opinion, that the majority of civilization already accepts this theory. And because of this we are (well I am) at a stage in evolution where we know our purpose isn't to build and create technological wonders. We will do it... none the less, but I myself am just opening up alot of doors to spirituality and have started doing so within the last couple of years. Thus I think that within the next little while people will start asking them selves alot more "why are we here".
 I read a book called "The Celestine Prophecy". It spoke a little about this in one of the chapters. I won't go into it too much but highly recommend the book to anyone with an open mind. James Redfeild is the Author. Look it up if you get a chance. 8)

Mystify,

       I find your post a little confusing.  

“our technology is so advanced right now that we know time is all that really holds us back from doing anything technological.”

Please can you elaborate on this.


Tommy

Tommy,
    Sry about the confusion. It was hard to put into words what I was thinking.
 Let me try again :)
Our technology right now is very advanced compared to what we know about past technology. We are at a stage in evolution where we know that it's just a matter of time (most not to distant) that we create or accomplish even better technological advancements.  ie: We as humans want to someday fly humans to other planets(besides the moon...like mars). Well so far... we've done and accomplished many of the basic steps and are alot closer to getting there than ever before and it's just a matter of time. We know that it WILL be possible and not just a dream. As most people from the last 100 years or prior would have laughed at the idea or never thought it possible.

If that doesn't kind of help... forget it cause I'm having my own difficulties with it here. lol :D

Mystify,

Although I have yet to read James Redfield's Celestine Prophesy and the Nine Insights, Mentalcase and myself discussed a little about it. MC stated there was a part in there which had insight into vortexes and other dimensions and the like. Sounds interesting, and as I told MC, a little far fetched. Did you read the whole book? And what do you think of the book?

Homer[glow=color,strength,width]

Actually I did. 3 Times :) and four copies later. I end up buying a few for other people just so they can read it and I must say and very honestly that at the time I read the book... it was the one thing my life really needed. It was very inspiring and opened up many new doors for me that I could never close. I normally don't promote things like this, but insist on reading it if you ever get the chance.
I have also read the tenth insight, which I also thought was good. But the first was better. If you go to the web site... you will get alot of info.

www.celestinevision.com

The "Celestine Prophecy" is strongly based on spiritual awareness.  There are parts which sound a little far-fetched, but not far enough to dismiss.  If you need a grasp on your spiritual side James Redfield captures that with every book he has written. Other books he has written; "Celestine Vision", "Tenth Insight", "Secret of Shambhala In Search of the Eleventh Insight."  All great books!


P.S. Since I'm promoting this, shouldn't i be getting paid?  Where's my percent?  ;D

Maybe someday we will invent a computer program that can receive messages or files from the future.  The mind and/or spirit is very much unexplained. Someday we will know more about remote viewing and premonitions, and possibly find a link between time travel and the mind/spirit. :)

hmmm.... I wonder. Do Aliens have time travel capabilaty??? hmmmmm..... intresting

If we created some sort of inter-temporal communication device, and we told ourselves, "okay, in the future, I'm going to use this to talk to my past self", then we would get a message right away from our future self! Interesting, eh?

Adam

Mistify,

If you consider the theory of aliens being people coming from the future, then I think it could be very much possible.

Dakoda

So, if I typ this here and in 2 hours I go back in time and I post a reply to this, but before I posted it. Wouldn't it be dangerous, because I would never had posted this, because I would be wondering how my reply came here.... ???

Odin Supreme 8)

interesting... confusing, but interesting... and thought-provoking...

Adam

That is why folks... time travel isn't an everyday hobby yet. To many capable screw ups in time lol

The way I have always understood the way "time" travel would work is that you can speed up, or slow down time, but you cannot travel into the past. History has been written, and can't be "unwritten", but you can slow time down by speeding yourself up or speed time up by slowing yourself down (theory of relativity).

For those of you who know not what I am speaking of,
The faster you get to the speed of light, the slower time progresses, at least to you. Once you have attained the speed of light, time would seem to stop completely. To speed time up, (to travel into the future), you would have to do the opposite, which would be to slow "the speed of light" down around you, while retaining the normal speed of light in the surrounding area, thereby making you attain a much lower speed of light, you would appear to be comatose to the world around you, but it would all pass in a blur.

And here are some more problems. The closer you get to traveling at the speed of light, the more mass you have. Using Einsteins E=MC2, (energy equals mass squared) and remembering that Light is a form of Energy, you would begin to have energy course through you, causing you to heat up, and make you luminescent. The closer you get, the larger, the hotter, and brighter you get. So, if you were to attain the speed of light, three things would happen, in stair-step: 1.) As your mass increases, you would occupy all points in the universe simultaneously, 2.) the second your mass squares its initial self, you become pure energy, 3.) and become energy in light form.

So to effectively "Slow time" you would have to accelerate and decelerate yourself to and from the speed of light like a strobe light, assuming of course that you could be turned from energy back to mass, and could survive the heat you would generate. If you were to try to go backwards in time, you would have to go faster than the speed of light.

To travel forward, you would have to do the exact opposite, you would have to "slow down". For example, say you were to make a chamber, in which you could control the exact speed of light on a scale. You enter said chamber, and operator outside of the chamber slows your relative speed of light down to say 5 mph (meaning light would only travel at 5mph), and you on scale with the speed of light would slow down accordingly. The speed of light outside the chamber would still be 670,878,000 mph
(math for this is 186,355 miles per second, x 60 seconds, x 60 minutes = 670,878,000).

So, the light inside the chamber is:
5mph (approximatley 5/6,708,780 of the "normal" speed of light")

and the light outside the chamber is:
670,878,000 mph.

Now for the "fun" math.

One second of time inside the chamber, (6,708,780) times one second of time outside the chamber, (670,878,000) = 4,500,772,908,840,000.

4,500,772,908,840,000 divided by 186,355 (light normal speed per second) = 24,151,608,000 times normal time.

So, 1 second of "slow" time would be equivalent to 402,526,800 seconds of normal time, or 6,780,800 Hours, which, if my math is correct is 766 years. And that, is ONE SECOND.

and problems with this are:

The slower you get, the more mass you lose, as well as energy. So you would end up 5/6,780,800 of normal mass, and energy accordingly. Meaning, you decrease, but not in density, and would be 5/6,780,800 of normal body temperature.

I think my math is right, if not, lemme know where.

ChrisStrickler

  Yes, Professor, you forgot to include leap years(1 extra day each four years) into your equation. Thus, the formula should look something like this;

:o

PW  :D

even with the leap years (191) included, adding 191 days wouldnt make it a year. I also dropped the decimal point off of the years, cause I didnt feel like converting it backwards into days hours minutes seconds.

ChrisStrickler

You say that history can't be unwritten. But when was history. For the people of tomorrow this is history, but for us is this now so...

Odin Supreme 8)

Here's some intresting stuff....
Pretty cool...

Got this off a site that someone put as one of they're fav's. Thre was a lot of good stuff there.



'Scientific people', said the Time Traveller, 'know very well that time is only a kind of space...'
H. G. Wells: The Time Machine

Time is the perfect murderer. Every day it indiscriminately kills around 40,000 individuals worldwide. Rich and poor, black and white; all succumb to time's insidious erosion of their bodies and minds, and it seems as if there isn't a thing we can do to stop its merciless onslaught. People often talk of killing time, but ironically it's the other way round.

If only it were possible to hinder the passage of time; then we could extend our transient lifespans. The Roman writer Horace succinctly summed up our mortal predicament in a sentence over a thousand years ago: "Life's short span forbids us embarking on far-reaching hopes."

To stop the clock and live indefinitely has been a recurring dream throughout the history of mankind, but will the fantasy ever become a reality? It is the author's belief that the flow of time can be controlled, and that, incredible as it seems, various individuals have inadvertently moved backwards and forwards through the 'fourth dimension' the official scientific description of time. These timewalkers will be looked at in some detail later, but first let us take a cursory look at the nature of time from a scientific viewpoint.

What we call time is still something of a mystery. Until the German mathematical physicist Albert Einstein (1879-1955) came along, scientists regarded time as an absolute, universal unchanging something that flowed steadily on in one direction like a might river; from the past to the future. Einstein proved that this was simply not the case at all. Long before experiments verified that his reasoning was correct, Einstein told the sceptical scientific community of his day that time was elastic, reversible, and actually ran at different rates in different areas of the universe, which made a mockery of the traditional notions of time laid down by the English scientist and mathematician Sir Isaac Newton (16421727). Einstein said something revolutionary that seemed nonsensical initially; that objects which are moving age slower compared to stationary objects. As an example, imagine there are identical twins. One of them climbs aboard a rocket which takes off from Earth and begins a five-year space voyage at a speed very close to light's velocity (which is 186,281 miles per second). When the astronaut returns to Earth, he would find that his terrestrial twin is now 50 years older than him!

Einstein's incredible theory of time-dilation has now been proved in many ways. If we had two highly-accurate atomic clocks, and we placed one at an airport and one in Concorde and flew it to New York and back, we would find that the readouts from the two clocks would be different when they were subsequently compared, because the clock on Concorde would have ticked slower than the stationary clock in the airport. Time-dilation has also been observed in sub-atomic particle such as the muon, which decays on average after 2.2 microseconds. These particles are created when cosmic rays enter the upper atmosphere, and are so short-lived, they ought not to persist for long enough to reach the Earth's surface, but they do, because they are moving so fast that their time-scale, relative to ours, is slowed down.

If you are still not convinced that there is more to time than meets the eye, you should go out on a cloudless, moonless night and look up at the stars, and you will be participating in a type of time-travel yourself, because you will be seeing the stars as they were many years ago. If you see a faint fuzzy patch of luminosity to the upper left of the Pegasus constellation, you will be looking at the Andromeda Galaxy, which is the nearest galaxy to ours. But you will not be seeing this galaxy as it is, but as it was 2.2 million years ago, because it is so far away, the light from it takes that long to reach your eyes here on Earth. In other words, you will be looking back into the remote past when you look up into the sky. Astronomers recently announced that a cluster of galaxies known as Abell 2065 had been discovered in the Corona Borealis constellation that were a billion light years away, and that the light from these remote stellar objects had started its journey to their telescopes around the time mankind was (supposedly) beginning to evolve from the primordial sludge on Earth.

The following story is an account of a man who inadvertently strolled into the past early in July 1996 in Liverpool City Centre.




Shop in another dimension - Cripps of Bold Street, Liverpool, in 1955

Frank, an off-duty policeman from Melling, and his wife Carol, were in Liverpool one Saturday afternoon shopping. At Central Station, the couple split up. Carol went to Dillons Bookshop in Bold Street to purchase a copy of Irvine Welsh's book, Trainspotting, and Frank went to a record store in Ranelagh Street to look for a CD. About twenty minutes later he walked up the incline near the Lyceum which leads out to Bold Street, intending to meet up with his wife in the bookshop, when he suddenly noticed he had somehow entered an oasis of quietness. Suddenly, a small boxvan that looked like something out the 1950s sped across his path, beeping as it narrowly missed him. Frank noted that the van had the name 'Caplan's' emblazoned on its side. When the policeman looked down, he noticed that he was standing in the road, and immediate thought that was strange, because the last time he had seen the bottom of Bold Street, it had been pedestrianized. Frank crossed the road and saw that Dillons Bookshop was no longer there. In its place stood a store with the name 'Cripps' over its two entrances. The policeman was understandably confused. He looked in the window of Cripps and saw no books on display, but womens' handbags and shoes. The policeman turned around and saw that the people were wearing clothes that would have been worn in the Forties and Fifties, and this really unnerved him. He realised that he had somehow walked into the Bold Street of forty-odd years ago. Suddenly, Frank sighted a girl of about twenty, dressed in the clothes of a mid-1990s girl; hipsters and a lime-coloured sleeveless top. The bag she carried had the name Miss Selfridges on it, which really reassured the policeman that he was still somehow partly in 1996. It was a paradox, but the policeman was slightly relieved, and he smiled at the girl as she walked past him and entered Cripps. As he followed her, the whole interior of the building changed in a flash to the interior of Dillons Bookshop. The policeman was back in his own time. He grabbed the girl by the arm at the entrance of the bookshop and asked her: "Did you see that then?" and the girl calmly said, "Yeah. I thought it was a new shop that had opened. I was going in to look at the clothes, and it's a bookshop."
The girl just laughed, shook her head, and walked out again. Frank said the girl looked back and shook her head in disbelief. When he told his wife about the incident, she said that she had not noticed anything strange, but Frank was really adamant that he had not hallucinated the episode.

I gave an account of this strange timeslip on the Billy Butler show, and within minutes, people were ringing me and Billy at Radio City to tell us that in the late 1950s and early 1960s there had been a store called Cripps in the exact location where Dillons Bookshop now stands, and there had also been a firm called Caplan's in existence around the same time. What's more, I also received letters and phone calls from listeners who had also experienced strange things in the part of Bold Street where the policeman stepped into another era. A man who worked on the renovation of the Lyceum building in Bold Street said his digital watch went backwards for two hours one day, and on another occasion, he put down his safety helmet, and when he looked down literally seconds later, it had vanished, yet no one was within fifty feet of him.

A Radio City listener named Emma Black sent me a fascinating cutting from a 1970s magazine concerning a timeslip which apparently allowed a telephone conversation to take place between two people spaced thirty years apart. The following summary of this strange story may seem like an episode of The Twilight Zone, but I have heard of three other similar cases. An old woman named Alma Bristow of Bidston, Birkenhead, tried to phone her sister (who had recently lost her husband) in Frodsham, Cheshire. Alma always had difficulty dialling numbers on the old British Telecom analogue telephone because she had stabbing arthritis in her fingers. Alma had evidently misdialled her sister's number, as a man's voice answered. The man said "Captain Hamilton."

Alma asked if her sister was there, but 'Captain' Hamilton replied haughtily, "This is not a civilian number. Who are you?"

Alma gave her name, and as she did, she heard a sound at the other end of the phone that she hadn't heard since she was a young woman: an air raid siren kicking. "Sound like World War Two there." Alma joked.

There was a pause, then Captain Hamilton replied, "What are you talking about?"

"The air-raid siren. Sounds like the war's still on." Alma said, about to hang up.

"Of course the war's still on. Where did you get my number from?" said Hamilton.

"The war ended years ago, in 1945." said Alma, suspecting she was a victim of the Candid Camera Show.

Captain Hamilton was heard to whisper to an associate, then resumed the surreal conversation. "It isn't 1945 yet. If we trace you you'll be thrown into prison for this lark you know? You're wasting valuable time woman."

"Eh? It's 1974. The war's been over for years." Alma retorted, and then she heard the unmistakable rumble of bombing coming over the phone.

"We'll deal with you later don't worry." said Captain Hamilton, and he slammed the phone down. Alma listened eagerly for him to pick up the handset of his telephone, but Hamilton never did. Alma never knew if she had been the victim of an elaborate hoax, or whether she had really had talked with someone in wartime Britain.

The two previous stories about timeslips suggest that the events of the past are still going on somewhere along the fourth dimension. Isn't it ironic how the clock rules all our lives, yet we know virtually nothing about time? Our ignorance regarding the nature of time reminds me of a thought-provoking remark Einstein once made. He said: "What does a fish know about the water in which he swims all his life?"

I think I just added the longest post...Thank god for copy and post :)

Next time I think the link will work just as good.

Well, that's worth about eight average length posts! It's getting late, I think I'll take on the challenge of reading that tomorrow. ;D

:-* Dakoda

Mystify

I agree with both your comments...

Tommy

Nice post  ;D

So did anyone check my math? ;) i just wanna know if i am right or wrong... :D

Chris

Chris,

 Yes, the total number of years is incorrect.

 Given 24 hrs/day x 365.25 days/yr = 8,766 hours/year

 6,780,800 hrs. divided by 8,766 hr/year = 773.5 years.

MAGIKMAN :D

Chris,

There are a couple things wrong with your point. First of all E=MC^2 does not mean energy equals mass squared. It means energy equals mass multiplied by the speed of light squared. Another misinterpretation is attaining the speed of light doesn't mean infinate mass, as you stated and is commonly believed. The mass in referrance is "relativistic mass" or "mass energy". If it was "mass at rest" than you still wouldn't occupy all points in the universe simultaneously, for if you had infinate mass you would turn into a singularity(black hole).

That being said, I agree with your theory. I'm not going into the details of your math, but I understand what you mean, and I think it poses some valid points. Time, like speed or size or just about anything else is relative. Like you, I don't believe someone could just go back into the past. But again like you, I think that the rate of time can be altered.

Homer[glow=color,strength,width]

To expand upon my previous post, according to Einstein's theory of relativity, it is impossible for anything with mass to obtain the speed of light. And as for light itself, photon particles which make up light are massless. This doesn't mean that light can't be manipulated, because it surely can. Although light in a vacuum is constant, light here on planet Earth is not.

Homer[glow=color,strength,width]

Hence why I said you would have to become "Light". Light is energy, without matter. We are energy with matter. Lose the matter, and what are we? Pure Energy, according to most religions (spirit, etc).

Now, this is where you can tie time travel into ghost theories. All religions I have ever researched/studied (and I've studied a lot of em) believe in an "Evil" energy, ex: Satan, from xianity. This would be negative energy. I know this should be in the Ghosts/Supernatural section, but it does tie in here.

Positive energy would be your Angels, etc.

Bear with me on this one.

One of the things that is commonly associated with "ghosts" is a sense of coldness, of helplessness, etc.

One of the signs of positive religious influence is a feeling of warmth, of happiness, etc.

Warmth = Heat = Energy that is Positive.
Chill = Lack of Heat = Lack of Positive energy = Negative Energy (anti-energy?).

Could it be, that "Angels" are capable of time travel, or travel that is faster than light, while "ghosts" are incapable, hence the lack of heat and warmth in their presence?

This is where I get my belief that:

1.) Yes, it is possible to travel faster than light, however not "now" = not in physical form (the spirit is capable).

2.) Ghosts arent what people think they are. People see a "ghost" that resembles a little child that was killed, and they immediatly assume it was that child's "spirit" that is trapped here. What it could be, (and is, is my personal - belief) is a form of "anti-energy" that had come there trying to get "home" (heaven, for example).

But ANYWAYS... Not to drone on too much.

I will go see the remake of the Time Machine when it hits theaters. :D

Chris

There was also a game published in 2000 or in 2001 based on that book. (Time Machine..)

Odin Supreme 8)

A rudimentary Time travel device has already been invented. Before you all look at me as if i was nuts, let me explain!
I think it was a year ago or so but a group of scientists created a device that sends a minute particule back in time. What they found was that it acted like a 'portal' for want of a better word. It had to be opened first and the particule couldn't travel back any further than the begining of the experiment.
For example, if they sent back a particle 2/100th of a second into the experiment the particle could only travel back by 2/100ths of a second and could not go back before the experiment started.
They were working on a very small scale and with very small objects... i'll see if i can dig out the report i read on it (sorry my details are a bit vague, but i haven't read it for ages)  

So a particle is sent back in time to the beginning of the experiment in which it was sent back... is it possible that the scientists that are 2/100th of a second into the future are the ones supplying the particle to begin with?

Adam

I don't think so - i would of definately remembered that bit of it if that was the case!!
It certainly explains why no-one from the future has traveled back for a visit as you can only travel back as far as you machine has been operational for. Very neat, no paradox, well not too much   :D . Also although i implied, i didn't state it, using this method you can't go into the future and there is of course the other problem of you having to be a microscopinc particle wishing to see what the world was like 2/100ths of a second ago  ;D

yeah ps, i think the boffins called it "quantum tunneling"