I've a discussion recently, a discussion that brought up thoughts I had never had before. An accepting thought, and a thought and controversy so mighty I knew I had to share it with everyone that will ever read this. This is good, evil, and neutral.

While you read this, please open your mind and try not to flame at anything, just post your feedback in the most honest and peaceful way possible -- my intention is not to stir hateful or angry emotions, just to inform -- and sorry if it's a bit long and if you don't like the story form, it's the easiest way to explain it all -- but if you have an open mind to this topic, I can bet anything that your thoughts will become wiser.


Once upon a time, an unknown, unseen, and oblivious force created life. This life evolved over billions of years, creating cells, bacteria, and eventually evolving into life forms such as dinosaurs, humans, lions, tigers, and bears. We have explained this using what we call science -- something we created in order to explain the natural world around us, using logic and a set of laws as the only guide.

Over time, many things came to debate the factuality of this, and many held the same beliefs as their ancestors. This does not mean it is right or wrong, it is simply a theory, and simply exists never to be known to be correct or incorrect. This force I will call X for now. X is the force we cannot comprehend, X is the thing between the chicken and the egg, it is the answer and question to everything.

Once upon a time, humans grew what the current society calls "civilized" and were no longer "primitive" They learned to debate and question, and this new found power brought more than just friendly debates -- it brought conflict and competition. A thick line was drawn, splitting existence into three forces. For now, we will call the first force, evil. The second is called good, and the "abstract" third is called balance.

The society conformed to one side or another, and did based beliefs on this. The thick line was left long empty, and lonely for it's previous inhabitants. Balance was a force thought to be the haughty belief of evil, while the evil would accuse this of the good. These two forces clashed and fought forever, never to cease. Balance lived in prosper because of it's peace, although it had no inhabitants, it was it's own universal equilibrium.

In the eyes of Balance, it's opposition forces of good and evil took a single, powerful form. They merged into something we will for now, call perfection. Another line was drawn, between corruption and balance. People were divided once again between these two forces, but all and all, balance was losing the battle.

In the lands of people drastic changes were happening. More and more people were turning to radical, man made, and abstract ideals. Less and less were accepting what is and what will always be, accepting the world for whatever it truly has been for all time, and devoting their lives to a cause -- they were the parents of the martyr, " One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause, or principle."

Few had belief in balance now, and those who did were struck down by the cruel blades of those on either side. In the mist of all this chaos came a dividing force, a power so mighty that neither side could do anything to stop it. This force was totally unknown, it was the line between balance and perfection. It's name is acceptance.

Wisdom was a factor created. Those who had it were a step closer and closer to acceptance, and eventually peace between the two mighty rivals. Acceptance was the glue holding it all together, acceptance was the dove in the swarm of shadows. The time of this quickly was forgotten, but it remained true in the minds of the few. Ever since then, those who have come to learn acceptance, have been the martyrs holding the together.

After great suffering, the people eventually learned that balance nor perfection can ever be achieved. We strive to better ourselves, we strive for eternal perfection, but perfection is not possible. Always balance and perfection will be at unrest with each other, but the unrest does not have to mean conflict. The unrest is debate, but kindness and a peaceful existence. All people expressed their love for this near peace, they wrote music, drew pictures, painted, danced, sung, and loved. And still, the force they held closest to their hearts was hope.

Good and evil still existed, but they existed to balance eachother and yet they still strived for their own version of perfection, yet all and all, the race became a happy race....And they all lived happily ever after, yet they all knew that perfect balance was impossible, because perfection is a quality they created, and just another warrior against balance.

You know this is what I've been trying to say to people that evil and good are equal-opposites. One can not acknowledge one without the other, that's why I reject any religion that is dualistic which is almost all of them. Most religions believe that their is an ultimate good and ultimate evil.

By reading your post I can see you sort of believe it also, you think evil and good are two separate entities. That is dualism and the perfection of dualism is to strive to have perfection in good or perfection in evil. But because we all have free will there is no true definition on what is good or evil on a universal level, what one perceives as good can be evil to another. The reason why perfection can't be attained because you most acknowledge an opposite to recognize good or evil whatever your path is, and that is enough to falter your perfection. Which you called balance.

I believe in monism all opposites complement each other. Pleasure is equal and opposite to pain. And pleasure can be pain and vice versa. In monism we strive to perfection to be oneness with ourselves in body and soul, you called it balance but the thing about that word is that it says their is evil and good put separate and are at neutral grounds. Oneness is their is evil and good but are together and equal and their is an universal enlightenment of the two. I believe in reincarnation, but not of this world but somewhere else, to continue our journey of perfection in oneness.

This is why I don't believe in satan or devil or a god of evil, nor do I believe in a god who is righteous and just. I belive God to me whoever he/she/it is, is everything and nothing. A god who is unspeakable for man to speak of, because of the dualism of language can't help me explain this God. To say God is good would be easy but the opposite of good is evil. What is the universal truth of good there is none. To even say he is one is unthinkable with our lack of knowledge and restriction of language, the opposite of one is many. But whatever God is, God is in perfect oneness of the universe.

That's my goal "oneness" to become a God myself.

Thanks for your post The Raven it was a good read.

Flame away.

I would have said that the opposite of good isn't evil.
Evil is a man made thing, spawned by organised religion.
I call your x factor pantheism.
Theres no hell
theres just us and x

Then marduk where does good come from if it is not man made?
And if evil is not the opposite of good then what is the opposite of good?

Nice Raven,
You have an excelent understanding of reality. I usually explain it with yin and yan.
You spin them and you get grey. That is the center, the one.
You see this all the time. One persons good is another persons evil. The two will never agree as long as they only see good and evil. People want to see everything in black and white, but reality is not like that. You might say a murder is evil or you might say that person is sick. There is something wrong with his brain to make him behave like that. If you are able to treat that person and cure his brain. Maybe that person who cured of his illness saves the life of a guard. He was evil now he is good do you let him out? He is still a murder.
Good or evil and shades of gray.

That is just what I am feeling, Super Pancake. I think you would have loved to participate in my Brain Sponge Theory thread, but unfortuneatly several individuals tainted it with their ignorance and it quickly died. It was a theory on how a god is possible, how it became that way, and how and why to use the rest of your mind, to its fullest potential. I, as I usually do, also strongly support what Darkwind is saying.

As you may have noticed, I changed my avatar to a home made one. This is not the symbol for Zelda, but a symbol of three forces, the forces I named in the previous story.

Balance, Perfection, and X, which I have now named paradox. Paradox is a word fitting because it's the only thing that will fit, since X is so unexplainable we cannot comprehend. X is the ultimate answer to all of our questions and thoughts, and X is one of the things that drives the race foward. The purpose of life is contained in X, but unfortuneatly, we will never know that, and anyone who read the story should know why.

This force of tri-balance can explain many things. God, Satan, demons, angels, everything. Good and evil are merely and simply perception. Our lives are based and biased upon it, and it seems as though too many have forgotten and/or denounced this ultimate equilibrium that we once seemed to have respected. I never knew so much knowledge could be stored and come from one single thought.