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Accused Mass-Murderer Became President!

by Sherman H. Skolnick and Lenny Bloom
www.cloakanddagger.ca
www.skolnicksreport.com

The following is an item from Sunnyvale Ca. from the 2000 election.

"SUNNYVALE, CA --- Telling reporters and critics to 'stick to the issues that matter', Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush declined to answer questions Monday concerning his alleged involvement in a 1984 Brownsville, TX, mass murder, in which 17 people were ritualistically murdered and skinned.

'I will not stoop to discussing that,' said Bush during a campaign stop at a Bay Area software-packaging plant. 'We've got people across this country without health care, a broken educational system, taxes that are way too high, and all you want to talk about is something THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED 16 years ago? I'm sorry, but I find that offensive.' " (Emphasis added).

Bush, the son of a billionaire, was strangely living in the most impoverished place in America, Brownsville; living nearby to and also inside the headquarters of a Satanic Cult of which he was a member. Bush disappeared for three days during which ALL of the other of his fellow Cult Members was slaughtered. After he reappeared he could not explain where he had been. The local prosecutor continued to pursue Bush, sole Cult survivor, on mass murder charges for six months thereafter, heavily pressured by Daddy Bush to stop the investigation. For asking these questions the reporters were threatened with reprisals later by Bush and thereafter have feared for their life. Currently, as to 2004, Bush and Kerry have long been members of a Satanic Cult, Skull & Bones (Yale).

MORE DETAILS:

Following the attempted assassination of President Ronald W. Reagan, shortly after his inauguration, 1981, George Herbert Walker Bush, as Vice President, on a day-to-day basis, until the end of Reagan's second term, 1988, actually ran the White House. In 1988, Daddy Bush was himself elected President, actually Bush's third term.

In so doing, the elder Bush was violating the U.S. Constitution, 22nd Amendment, restricting the President to two terms.

During that time, and even before, Daddy Bush and son George W. Bush, had financial and satanic cult links with the drug trafficking from Colombia through the Brownsville/Matamoros area. Brownsville is in the U.S. right smack on the Mexican border above Matamoros, Mexico.

At one time Daddy Bush owned Texas Commerce Bank implicated in the drug traffic through their branch in Venezuela. Jeb Bush living in Venezuela with his Latino wife ran that unit, starting about 1979. They laundered the drug proceeds from Colombia and from there, through Mexico to the U.S. The Bush Crime Family has for many years been business partners with the co-founder of the Medelin, Colombia drug cartel, Carlos Lehder. [See, the website series, www.skolnicksreport.com "The Chandra Levy Affair".]

This was convenient to Daddy Bush having been with the CIA since 1959, through their adjunct, principally owned by the Bushies, Zapata Petroleum, later called Zapata Offshore, still later their interests joined with Pennzoil which by an induced bankruptcy took over Texaco. [See, "Oil & Honor---The Texaco-Pennzoil Wars" by Thomas Petzinger, Jr., 1987, G.P. Putnam's Sons.]

The satanic cult mass-murders revolved around in the Brownsville/Matamoros area. Among those involved were El Padrino Cult; and located outside Matamoros, Rancho Santa Elena, having human sacrifice chambers; and the satanic ritual sacrifices and mind control conducted by Aldolfo De Jesus Costanzo with others. The Bush Crime Family with their dope trafficking, Colombia through Matamoros, Mexico/Brownsville, Texas, were interlocked with these situations.

The ranch was reportedly involved in snuffing out dozens and dozens of primarily Latinos useful as "mules" in the drug trade and controlled through sexual satanic rituals and mind-control.

In the 1980s, Daddy Bush, actually running the White House, and former head of the American secret political police, was in perfect position to be part of the drug trafficking. The elder Bush was the head of the South Florida Anti-Drug Project, supposedly clamping down on drug trafficking from Colombia to Mexico.

During the 1980s, U.S. drug enforcement was near totally compromised and corrupted. A huge, heavy opus, mentioned in a moment, tells how the top people in the elite units of U.S. drug enforcement actually worked the other side. From time to time, they went to parties at palatial estates in Mexico and elsewhere owned and operated by the major drug lords. The drug police rubbed elbows there with movie stars and big shots from Hollywood, users as well as traffickers with dope. [In recent years. George W. Bush, William Rockefeller Clinton, and Mexico President Vicente Fox have visited and stayed at the estates of Mexico's major drug lords.]

For naive, poorly informed persons to risk their neck reporting drug lords to the drug police is both tragic and laughable. [See that very thick book about the top drug enforcers, being for sale and totally corrupt, "The Underground Empire---Where Crime and Government Embrace", by James Mills, Doubleday, N.Y., 1986.]

One of those convicted of the satanic cult mass murders in the Brownsville/Matamoros region and elsewhere was a fellow named Lucas. When George W. Bush was Governor of Texas, he mysteriously granted clemency to this mass-murderer. Yet, there was no basis in law or fact for the Governor to so favor Lucas, other than the Bush Crime Family was in business with him in respect to the drug trafficking and satanic cult operations of the Brownsville/Matamoros region.

With terrible-to-look-at pictures, the horrors of the one or more satanic cults so operating in the Brownsville/Matamoros region are detailed in a little-known, hard to locate book, "Hell Ranch" by Clifford Linedecker.

By 1999, some reporters had attempted to question George W. Bush as to some of the foregoing, while Bush was planning to run for President in the U.S. 2000 Election. As the head of an investigative group and Founder/Chairman, since 1963 of the Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, Skolnick began relating, on various radio talk shows, the problems the reporters were having in confronting George W. Bush with his apparent complicity in the satanic cult mass murders in the Brownsville, Texas area.

Quite some time thereafter, several websites did acts in some ways relating to all this. They palmed off as apparent jokes and parodies, purported stories about the Brownsville/Matamoros horrors. Whether their purpose was reputed damage control for the Bush Crime Family or to simply somehow make jokes about the satanic mass murders, remains for such website handlers and operators to explain.

These websites apparently gave the impression to poorly informed, naive people that the whole series of events in the Brownsville/Matamoros region were purely imaginary, and never occurred and there was no complicity of the Bushies including George W. Bush.

Obviously to detail all the persons and entities involved with the satanic cultists, human sacrifice locations, and drug-traffickers and mind-control dictators, in the Matamoros/Brownsville region would and could fill a series of encyclopedias on the dope business, satanic cults, corrupted dope enforcers, and related topics.

[A book that does go into many related details is "The Strength of the Wolf---The Secret History of America's War on Drugs" by Douglas Valentine, Verso Books, 2004, New York. The American CIA needs the drug lords to be able to penetrate otherwise hard to spy on nations, is a theme of the book.]
ATTACHED PICTURES OF THE CULT MURDER SITE

1 -LEADER

2 - HIGH PRIESTESS OF THE CULT

3 - MURDER VICTIMS

4 - REPORTERS EXCAVATING BODIES
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/acccused.htm
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more strange stuff in tx-strange but true
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The Strange Death of the Woman Who Filed a Rape Lawsuit Against Bush

By Jackson Thoreau

opednews.com

Early one Saturday afternoon in July 2003, I made a simple phone call to Margie Schoedinger, a Texas woman who filed a rape lawsuit against George W. Bush in December 2002. I expected to leave a message on a machine, so I was caught a little offguard when Schoedinger answered.

She, too, sounded somewhat surprised I had called, saying she hadn't heard from many other reporters. But she talked to me for a few minutes about the legal action.

"I am still trying to prosecute [the lawsuit]," said Schoedinger, a 38-year-old African-American woman who lived in the Houston suburb of Missouri City. "I want to get this matter settled and go on with my life."

Well, Schoedinger hasn't gone on with her life. In fact, three months after I spoke to her, she died in an apparent suicide. And this matter remains unsettled.

When I asked her in July 2003 about the lack of media coverage, Schoedinger said she wasn't seeking publicity. She said she did not even know about a December 2002 article in the Fort Bend Star, the only U.S. mainstream media outlet that covered this story, to my knowledge. The Fort Bend reporter, LeaAnne Klentzman, said she even went to Schoedinger's home and talked to a man there, who said she could not come to door. While I reached and spoke to Schoedinger on my first attempt, maybe she wasn't ready to talk back in December.

Anyways, Schoedinger said she was surprised the case wasn't covered more because "it is true......People have to be accountable for what they do, and that's why I'm pursuing it."

To be sure, Schoedinger's accusations - which include being drugged and sexually assaulted numerous times by Bush and other men purporting to be FBI agents - are bizarre and hard for most people to believe. But her story fits in with those told by a growing number of people who say they were used as guinea pigs or whatever by members of the CIA or another U.S. agency who wanted to test out the latest mind-controlling drug or just have a strange form of release. And her death - let's just say government agents have made murders look like suicides before.

In her court petition, Schoedinger said police in Sugar Land, another Houston suburb where she said some assailants linked to Bush attempted to unsuccessfully abduct her from her car shortly before the 2000 election, refused to take a report or do anything about that incident. She filed a lawsuit against the Sugar Land department and said that in preparing its defense, Sugar Land police found out that she dated Bush as a minor. I didn't get a chance to ask Schoedinger about that tie and didn't meet her in person, but her driver's license listed her as being 5-foot-8 and weighing 125 pounds, for what that's worth.

The Fort Bend Star story quoted a Sugar Land police captain saying his department had no record of any complaints by Schoedinger. All he had to do was what I did - go to the Fort Bend County Internet site and do a simple search on Schoedinger's name in the area of civil court records. I found the lawsuit Schoedinger filed in December 2000 against Sugar Land police, and it even had numerous responses by the department's attorneys in that case.

Just wait. This story gets stranger.

When I started asking Schoedinger about certain details of the case, such as alleged surveillance at her home and if she was still legally representing herself, she politely ended our conversation. "I need to see what has been written," Schoedinger said. "I feel like it's best for me to end our conversation."

Obviously, she had learned to be careful about what she said and to whom she said it. I could understand her being leery about talking about her situation with a stranger over the phone.

But I remember being puzzled by Schoedinger's attitude after hanging up the phone. I wondered that if she had made up such a wild story, why she didn't come up with something a little less outlandish, in which people couldn't necessarily dismiss her as a kook. I wondered why she didn't seek publicity to at least provide some form of protection. I've long learned that being as public as possible is one of your best defenses against rogue intelligence agents. But she didn't even seem to want any media to cover her story. I told several writers I knew, some of whom tried to contact Schoedinger. None succeeded, as far as I know.

I remember thinking, "I hope she doesn't wind up on the wrong side of a gun." And sure enough, in late September, Schoedinger did.

The Houston Chronicle wrote a bare-bones obituary that stated only that Schoedinger "expired" on Sept. 22, 2003, and her burial was at Houston Memorial Gardens.

I called the Harris County Medical Examiner's office, and a clerk told me the cause of death: a "suicide" by a "gunshot wound to the head." I hung up amid bombs going off in my mind.

For one, using a gun to commit suicide is predominantly executed by males, according to psychiatrists and other sources like pharmaceutical firm Merck & Co. Women are more likely to overdose on drugs, although the number of gunshot suicides among women has increased in recent years.

Besides Pravda and Internet ezines - one of whom referred to Schoedinger as "deranged" - I haven't seen stories on this strange death of a woman who filed a rape lawsuit against the U.S. president and wound up dead nine months later. I can't say I'm surprised. Or even angry. I don't know what the hell to think. All I know is I was one of the last - if not the last - reporters to speak to Schoedinger, and she didn't sound "deranged" to me in July 2003. She sounded like someone who had gone through something weird and was trying to sort it out. She sounded like someone who wanted the truth to come out. And now she's dead.

If this had happened to Clinton when he was in the White House, do you think the story would have been covered non-stop on FOX, CNN and the right-wing talk shows? Do you think we'd have reporters asking Clinton and his people about this death in press conferences? Is FOX unfair and imbalanced to the point of being "deranged?"

There are some more odd twists to this case. I also found a 2002 criminal case related to Schoedinger in which Christopher Schoedinger, her husband, allegedly struck her. He pleaded no contest and was sentenced to a year in jail. Christopher Schoedinger had also filed for divorce. Then since 1997, Margie Schoedinger had filed for at least five assumed business names for various ventures - including a communications firm, health and beauty business, travel agency and publishing company. Could a "deranged" person start all those businesses or even know how to file a lawsuit?

Schoedinger's lawsuit can still be viewed on the Fort Bend County site at http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/localization/menu.asp - then go down to the bottom and click on civil court. Then type "schoedinger" in the plaintiff box and click search. You should find another lawsuit she filed against Sugar Land police, as well.

I can really understand media members being intimidated, even frightened, of the Bush administration. As I've detailed before, these are not Boy Scouts running the show. The Schoedinger death is just the latest in a string of strange ones surrounding the Bush family - Bush biographer J.H. Hatfield, Sen. Paul Wellstone, Sen. Mel Carnahan, and others that are detailed on various sites, including at http://members.boardhost.com/gwbush/msg/362.html .

For the record, I contacted Bush's media office about Schoedinger and have yet to hear back. Now that I live in the Washington, D.C., area, I can go down to the White House in person and try to get someone to speak to me about this case. As expected, I haven't had much luck with the Fort Bend County and other Texas authorities. So maybe I'll stand outside the White House, holding a sign saying, "Who killed Margie Schoedinger?" and passing out copies of my column on the case. It would make about as much sense as anything else in this matter.

For all I know, maybe Schoedinger did kill herself. Maybe she dreamed up a lot of this stuff. But I don't know, am I "deranged" to think it's weird that in this mass-media, detailed-information age, so few people are even asking any questions about how a woman who filed a rape lawsuit against the president could be dead less than a year later?

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm

Whoa...that was a wake-up call. I kew the SOB was evil but he REALLY seems to enjoy it too. Funny, the amount of murders tied to this man ever since he took office. The Brownsville thing was the icing on the cake. You know Suno...this guys whole history reads like a frightening Stephen King novel...and he is supposed to be leader of the "free" world. Me and my father actually contemplated moving to Canada or New Zealand...after 9-11 we just don't know what to expect from this administration or when to expect it...like we sleep with one eye open. I see Martial Law right around the corner...you?

Bush is an ass, I hate him.

And as for Hell Ranch, I'd much rather have Dude Ranch.

Bush is a murderer, look at all those people he killed in Iraq with his bombs, over a wee tiny bit of oil.

goofy.

Sunofone...I think I know what he(Bush) was doing in Sunnyvale,CA.
I was doing research on another topic and Sunnyvale was mentioned as the place where Echelon was created at Lockheed Martin. Margaret Newsham claims she designed the program at Lockheed. You mentioned in the above article that he was visiting a computer firm or manufacturer? I would guess that it was Lockheeds facilities. They are involved in all kinds of black projects too...anyway, here are a couple of sites with more info.http://www.techworld.com/storage/news/index.cfm?NewsID=2430ils.unc.edu/~brunkb/inls187/notes/surveillance.ppt

wow....is there an actual ranch? i live in Brownsville Texas. if that is indeed true, and there is a "Hell Ranch" here in my town, i might go looking for it.

[edit]...if it's in brownsville. i wouldn't go so deep into mexico. especially at this time. there are alot of people waiting to con spring breakers or any Americans, and recently, the Mexican government has been cracking down on the drug war, that's happening maybe 20 or so miles away from me.

How does liberalism even factor into this subject? Or how does attacking someones mental state help this discussion or shed light on the topic? Try again.

Please this person is so ignorant its pathetic. First of all I see no evidence Bush was part of the Matamoros cult. Second his refusing to talk about events that occured some time ago that doesn't relate to him is meaningless. I probably wouldn't have either.

Secondly wake up call for the religiously challenged. IT WASN'T SATANISM. While legitimate Satanism(by which I mean Devil Worship NOT the cult of Anton Lavey) does practice human sacrafice they aren't the only group in the world that does. In this particular instance it was actually a sect of a religion called Palo Mayumbe. For those who don't know Palo Mayumbe is one of a group of religions that were born out of the slave trade mixing African tribal beliefs and Christianity. The better known religions of the group would of course be Santaria and Voodoo.

read the book - also in my book any ritual sacrifice is satanic no matter what they call themselves anton lavey included-

I've read about the case(there are other books on the subject). As to callling all human sacrafice satanic thats frankly so profoundly foolish theres little response to it. Most religions at one time have included some form of human sacrafice. To give to major examples consider the story of Abraham and Isaac. For another consider the entire premise behind the death of Jesus Christ in Christian theology.

exactly my point "satanism"-god demanding the sacrifice of your eldest son as well as the ritual sacrifice of jesus christ are both good examples of satanism-christians have to be completely lost in order to be tricked into revering a mutilated corpse on a stick whose "rituals" are nothing short of vampirism and cannabalism-drinking his blood and eating his flesh--geeesh c'mon--

You think you’ll see the pearly gates
When death takes you away?
jesus saves?!
no words of praise
No promised land to take you to
There is no other way

wow
im not even sure where to start
but this seems as good a place as any
ummmmm......just why is Bush an ass ?
just how is he a murderer ? all the bombs that killed all those people in Iraq ? you really have no idea what youre talking about, the Iraqis did that to themselves. dont think i have to explain how anti-aircraft artillery works but if you'd like me to i will.

and sun where to start with that long winded opening ?
the presidents father is a billionaire ? not that ive ever heard
he ran the country for 12 years ? i think that would be news to the Reagan people
just who was that meeting with Gorbechev ? a robot ? as cool as that would be it was actually Reagan
just who was that that gave the speech to the UN ? a puppet ? they did a good job i didnt even see the strings
and the current president, he killed 16 people ? gee sun how about you go make a citizens arrest if you have proof ? save us all from this evil man

So every religion is in fact(or was) a form of Satanism apparently? ALl of them have done it at some point in there history, so there for all of them are satanism. Sigh you're starting to remind me of Jerry Fallwell there.

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Introduction -- AMERICAN CALIGULA (47,195 bytes)

1 --- THE HOUSE OF BUSH: BORN IN A BANK (33,914 bytes)

2 --- THE HITLER PROJECT (55,321 bytes)

3 --- RACE HYGIENE: THREE BUSH FAMILY ALLIANCES (51,987 bytes)

4 --- THE CENTER OF POWER IS IN WASHINGTON (51,699 bytes)

5 --- POPPY AND MOMMY (47,684 bytes)

6 --- BUSH IN WORLD WAR II (36,992 bytes)

7 --- SKULL AND BONES: THE RACIST NIGHTMARE AT YALE (56,508 bytes)

8 --- THE PERMIAN BASIN GANG (64,269 bytes)

8-b --- THE BAY OF PIGS AND THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION(46,903 bytes)

9 --- BUSH CHALLENGES YARBOROUGH FOR THE SENATE (110,435 bytes)

10 -- RUBBERS GOES TO CONGRESS(129,439 bytes)

11 -- UNITED NATIONS AMBASSADOR, KISSINGER CLONE (99,842 bytes)

12 -- CHAIRMAN GEORGE IN WATERGATE (104,415 bytes)

13 -- BUSH ATTEMPTS THE VICE PRESIDENCY, 1974 (27,973 bytes)

14 -- BUSH IN BEIJING (53,896 bytes)

15 -- CIA DIRECTOR (174,012 bytes)

16-- CAMPAIGN 1980 (139,823 bytes)

17 -- THE ATTEMPTED COUP D'ETAT OF MARCH 30, 1981 (87,300 bytes)

18 -- IRAN-CONTRA (140,338 bytes)

19 -- THE LEVERAGED BUYOUT MOB(67,559 bytes)

20 -- THE PHONY WAR ON DRUGS(26,295 bytes)

21 -- OMAHA (25,969 bytes)

22 -- BUSH TAKES THE PRESIDENCY(112,000)

23 -- THE END OF HISTORY (168,757 bytes)

24 -- THE NEW WORLD ORDER (255,215 bytes)

25 -- THYROID STORM (138,727 bytes)
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

and an unauthorized biography proves what exactly ?

i could write and unauthorized biography that says Bush is from Mars that doesnt make it true

Edit: It would be appreciated if we didn't quote the entire content of the above post.

Thank-you.

Don't be silly ET. An unauthorized web published biography is excelent proof. Proof that the author has to much time on there hands and enough sense to realize no publisher would take it for fear of law suits by the family for slander.

That's pretty weird
But hey it is The U.S.A

*runs away to Canada
I hope that journalist did go to Washington, DC with that sign. Heck, I would if I could.
I just don't know what to believe in anymore, except for myself

couldn't agree more! i've always hated the twat but now i hate him even more than when i heard about the prison harrasments...

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Why not?? I could see every form of religion being a form of satanism.. I find that alot easier to believe then everyone who is a christian that practices their beliefs goes to heaven.. As I have said before, The only thing that God gave us that we know we can believe, is in ourselves. If you are going to base your religion on what other people have done in the past, well, I just dont see that as a way to get into heaven..
I think the only way to get into heaven, is to be one with yourself. And I do believe Karma has alot to do with it. Not worshiping a book, or figures that might have, or might not have existed.

On another note, Not trying to knock any religion here.. I think that it is good what most religions do for the world. It keeps people in check.. Some of those people might just be dang crazy if it wasnt for religion.

somehow you have found a way to blame him for that ?

still havent heard how our bombs killed all those people im Iraq

guess u 2 just like hating and not backing it up

whatever works for you i guess

Holy crap, I live near Brownsville! (our Texas house and realatives, anyway)

True Satanism and the other dark religions of the world(like what spawned the Matamoros killing) is evil on a level most people can't comprehend. Want an idea how they really think think Charles Manson or Ted Bundy. Not all of them are mass murderers but the arrogence and disregard for life or morality is the same. Its a good part of why so many serial killers are fascinated by black magic.

Hey Folks,

This is maybe an interesting link for this thread:

http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/moteng.htm

Wim

You're having a laugh, right?

What do you think the combined airforces drop out of the sky, confetti? Or do you think that bombs don't kill people?

This topic is a freaking joke.
Get over it.
Bush is President!
Kerry is not.
When will all the so called stories stop???

OMG!ROFL! Damn Suno...ditto my friend. Such a humorous analogy.

Man show sum f*cking respect...that 'mutilated corpse on a stick' died fer people like you.

- Dark..

You ask me to show respect to a figment of your imagination...something you were told to believe in like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny...but you are an adult now and it is time for you to throw away childish things like myths and legends. There were many so called "messiahs" who were supposed to be born of a virgin who were going to save mankind way before Jesus arrived on the scene.
Also...the institutions responsible for handing down the "stories" of this Jesus have all been guilty throughout the ages of many wars and much bloodshed. There is nothing holy about the Holy Roman Empire or Televangelism or those lying Mormons. Spirituality is a good thing but do not cheapen that element within us all by a religion that was made by Man...every ritual in the Christian Bible has a pagan connotation . All Christianity was and is ...is another pagan religion guilty of bloodshed and fraud. Imagine a world w/o religion...no more senseless divisions and fighting over whos god is best...I laugh at those who would condemn other peoples religion while supporting to the death their own...both are ridiculous...you don't need a religion to find spirituality.

I never asked you anything but if you wanna take the heat, step up to the hearth.



I wasnt told to believe in it. I came to it on my own accord. I have nothing to lose by believing in it: just everything to gain.



Show me some. Sources would also be nice, thanks.



All the 'holy' crusades were Pope-driven. Ie. they were all Catholic. Catholics, as any simple investigation will prove, believe in a different set of rules and practices altogather. Im only gonna say this once on UM:
Do not group Catholics and Christians togather under one heading. We're not the same denomination and we have too many confliciting beliefs to be the same religion. Christians base our religion solely on the Bible. Catholics are more cultish imo. They have too many practices which arent Biblical and which Christians dont necessarily agree with. So please, Christians or Catholics..
I never said there was anything holy about catholics, televangelists or mormons. Apparently you got caught up in sum hard rant about religion there, man.



Ah and I suppose that ur beliefs about spirituality are true? And every ritual in the Christian Bible has a pagan connotation too?! Lawdy..Im missin alot livin in this cave. Thats news to me!



A world without religion? What a dead planet:
Everything everyone knows is based on hard facts. Fact after fact after fact. No reason to wonder, no reason to experience anything divine..just live day to day, trapped on this rock we call home...its too much of a linear life fer me..

And I suppose you feel pretty superior..better than all those 'religious' ppl huh? Up there in ur tower, looking down on us all..laughing..

Perhaps 'religious' people are up in a higher tower, looking down at your tower shaking their heads...maybe we know and experience what you dont.

- Dark

No man...I don't feel superior but I have walked that walk already same as you and I have found religion to be lacking as an answer to our existence or our growth as a people. Catholics aren't the only ones to blame because you follow a religion they invented.
I'm not saying Jesus didn't live , he might have, but those that sought to embellish his existence with outlandish stories have perverted the truth of his existence.
You have to admit, every thing we know of christianity today...down to the oldest supporting document, was written by god only knows and years later than his disciples lived.
I think you are on a spiritual path but I doubt you will find what you are looking for in a religion.
As far as examples of similarities between messiahs of different cultures...there Zoroastrianism, Vishnu, Ahura Mazda, Osiris...the research is up to you.
I am not critisizing you personally but since I have been down that road before, and have looked into the history of christian councils and looked into Constantine...I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is an utter lie and that spirituality is something that we are all given naturally thatgrows and what we do with it is up to us individually. You will be more free to understand outside the bounds of the opinions of heirarchical church councils and phoney shamens preaching the same old watered down sermons every Sunday that teach us nothing of the planet we live on or the evils of industrialisation. No church council will show you the truth of the world...you will have to learn it on your own. That fire and brimstone stuff is for the weak-minded...you are better than that.

Honestly man, tho it may be a 'counter post', I respect what you have said here more than most any other post I've read in awhile. You never flamed me, you presented ur reply in a well-to-do manner, and, most importantly as this forum seems to be lacking in it lol, you did it maturely. I look forward to future discussions with you, dmgspycat.

Thanks fer playing square, bro..

- Dark

just rekindling an old flame that some may not be aware of--here are some details on the original topic not covered yet--remember this not satire--bush jr was pursued for six months on MASS MURDER CHARGES --look at his last comment on the subject its as if he takes pride in his position of not having to deny it either
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Accused Mass-Murderer Became President!

The following is an item from Sunnyvale Ca. from the 2000 election.

"SUNNYVALE, CA --- Telling reporters and critics to 'stick to the issues that matter', Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush declined to answer questions Monday concerning his alleged involvement in a 1984 Brownsville, TX, mass murder, in which 17 people were ritualistically murdered and skinned.

'I will not stoop to discussing that,' said Bush during a campaign stop at a Bay Area software-packaging plant. 'We've got people across this country without health care, a broken educational system, taxes that are way too high, and all you want to talk about is something THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED 16 years ago? I'm sorry, but I find that offensive.' " (Emphasis added).

Bush, the son of a billionaire, was strangely living in the most impoverished place in America, Brownsville; living nearby to and also inside the headquarters of a Satanic Cult of which he was a member. Bush disappeared for three days during which ALL of the other of his fellow Cult Members was slaughtered. After he reappeared he could not explain where he had been. The local prosecutor continued to pursue Bush, sole Cult survivor, on mass murder charges for six months thereafter, heavily pressured by Daddy Bush to stop the investigation. For asking these questions the reporters were threatened with reprisals later by Bush and thereafter have feared for their life. Currently, as to 2004, Bush and Kerry have long been members of a Satanic Cult, Skull & Bones (Yale).

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Following the attempted assassination of President Ronald W. Reagan, shortly after his inauguration, 1981, George Herbert Walker Bush, as Vice President, on a day-to-day basis, until the end of Reagan's second term, 1988, actually ran the White House. In 1988, Daddy Bush was himself elected President, actually Bush's third term.

In so doing, the elder Bush was violating the U.S. Constitution, 22nd Amendment, restricting the President to two terms.

During that time, and even before, Daddy Bush and son George W. Bush, had financial and satanic cult links with the drug trafficking from Colombia through the Brownsville/Matamoros area. Brownsville is in the U.S. right smack on the Mexican border above Matamoros, Mexico.

The satanic cult mass-murders revolved around in the Brownsville/Matamoros area. Among those involved were El Padrino Cult; and located outside Matamoros, Rancho Santa Elena, having human sacrifice chambers; and the satanic ritual sacrifices and mind control conducted by Aldolfo De Jesus Costanzo with others. The Bush Crime Family with their dope trafficking, Colombia through Matamoros, Mexico/Brownsville, Texas, were interlocked with these situations.

The ranch was reportedly involved in snuffing out dozens and dozens of primarily Latinos useful as "mules" in the drug trade and controlled through sexual satanic rituals and mind-control.

One of those convicted of the satanic cult mass murders in the Brownsville/Matamoros region and elsewhere was a fellow named Lucas. When George W. Bush was Governor of Texas, he mysteriously granted clemency to this mass-murderer. Yet, there was no basis in law or fact for the Governor to so favor Lucas, other than the Bush Crime Family was in business with him in respect to the drug trafficking and satanic cult operations of the Brownsville/Matamoros region.

With terrible-to-look-at pictures, the horrors of the one or more satanic cults so operating in the Brownsville/Matamoros region are detailed in a little-known, hard to locate book, "Hell Ranch" by Clifford Linedecker.

By 1999, some reporters had attempted to question George W. Bush as to some of the foregoing, while Bush was planning to run for President in the U.S. 2000 Election. As the head of an investigative group and Founder/Chairman, since 1963 of the Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, Skolnick began relating, on various radio talk shows, the problems the reporters were having in confronting George W. Bush with his apparent complicity in the satanic cult mass murders in the Brownsville, Texas area.

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dude why do u stay on his d**k

i hate his dumbo lookin a**

Sunofone man you are always trying to stir up some stuff but I think this time you've scraped the bottom of the barrel. I don't see the proof here that you so desperately need to make your point valid. I really don't. There are so many holes in that story. If Bush did it, that's one thing, but unless it's provable he did, then you can't hate on him. That's like saying I hate you because I think you killed my dog, even though I can't prove you did it. Brother I respect what you're doing but I don't think it's for real this time. You've opened my eyes to some things about 9/11, I'll give you that. I was against you on alot, but I have come to see that you've got some good points. This just isn't one of them. Calling someone a murderer is a serious deal man.

thanks for the compliments MG--but for the record i am merely pointing out the "fact" that he was a suspect and accused of the crimes--nothing more--i know "i" have never been accused of such horrendous act but at the same time i have never put myself in the surroundings necessary for such a charge to be alledged--unlike me bush "has" put himself in the position and this is all i am pointing out--i believe it was the pardon of the serial killer henry lee lucas for no good reason that ultimately convinced me that something wasnt right--this story will never go away but not because of people like me but because of the actions of people like bush

^above is from the previos link --below is from another site\/

http://crimemagazine.com/lucas.htm

I admit that putting yourself in a situation for something like that is wrong. But does that make him guilty of murder, or guilty by association? All I'm saying is that I don't agree with the article, nothing against you personally. I actually have learned to respect you. You bring alot to this forum. So if anything I said was personal, I take it back man.

Oh no, I live in Texas not too far from Brownsville, cool though whoa... whoa... whoa... Thats kinda scary even though it was a long time ago.

yup me too--im very close to brownsville and kingsville where,unannounced,the govt using black helicopters and foreign troops have carried out midnite training drills with live ammo and munitions across the street from old folk homes and private residences

man i just find it soo unbelievable how somebody with such an open record could achieve such a high political office--it boggles the mind to contimplate the utter level of mind control being perpetrated on a mass scale --more info on the commander in chief
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MUCH MUCH MORE....

Hell Ranch is very nice during the winter. There are several lakes to fish on. A good place to vacation.

interesting article on the subject
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HOW AN ACCUSED MASS MURDERER BECAME PRESIDENT

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Skolnick & Bloom

I've pondered leaving the country too. It makes me sick. What the people seem to forget is that their duty is to their country and not their "leader."

excellent post dig-- i have pondered the same thing but recently there has been a female russian immigrant named gypsy Taub that has really inspred me a bunch-- her premise is that she has seen the tactics used by the bush administration before and it was those very actions that caused her to flee from here country years ago and she recognizes the same thing from the bush administration and has boldly proclaimed that what she learned is that it does not help to run and has decided to stand her ground and fight for her new home-- her story and actions are very inspiring and i want to commend her and urge anyone who has not heard of her to view these videos of her fighting and standing up to tyranny and corruption--
MUST SEE VIDEO
i will be fortifying my position and never leave my home-- the fact that i am a 6th gen texan which actually has my ggggreat gpa here before texas and america were in existance also weighs heavy in the decision-- hes actually in the online handbook of texas as a major contributor to the republic-- i WILL be buried in TX-- LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC

you must have heard of the ronald reagan assination attempt and the bushes, the assasian father is a friend and buisness acquaintence of bush, and jeb bush had dinner plans with the guy the day of the assanation attempt he promptly cancelles, the assasins father is head of some religious group attached to politics.
http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/bushyknoll.htm

i read an article recently that absolutely must be included here and the topic of whether or not W was truly created for his role through generations of evil ritual-- it appears that alister crowley may be W's grandfather!! take a look at these image comparisons between barbara and alister-- ill include an excerpt from the article with its reference--

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now for some dirt concerning "poppy" or the man of barbaras life--

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READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD

See now I wanna move out of Houston even more XD I mean I hated this place before, but... I donno, now I don't like it more.

I started really not liking Bush and his cronies when during the hurricane b/s, because during the Houston evac. we were listening to the radio and they kept having meetings about doing things like bring down gas to stranded motorists... MEETINGS!! I would sit there with other people who were stranded in the parking lot we were at yelling at the radio, 'BRING US GAS DAMNIT!!' yeah...

okee I'm done ranting now.

It'd make sence that he'd be involved in deals with the devil... >.>... how else would he be re-elected for 4 more years?

by having diebold the electronic,no record storing,hackable voting machines company in his pocket