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The Hindu Christ KRISHNA Said: sleep.gif

"This perishable body, O son of Kunti, is known as Kshetra; those who are acquainted with the true nature of things call the soul who knows it, the Kshetrajna. Know also that I am the Knower in every mortal body, O son of Bharata; that knowledge which through the soul is a realization of both the known and the knower is alone esteemed by me as wisdom. What the Kshetra or body is, what it resembleth, what it produceth, and what is its origin, and also who he is who, dwelling within, knoweth it, as well as what is his power, learn all in brief from me. It has been manifoldly sung by the Rishis with discrimination and with arguments in the various Vedic hymns which treat of Brahman.

"This body, then, is made up of the great elements, Ahankara -- egotism, Buddhi -- intellect or judgment, the unmanifest, invisible spirit; the ten centers of action, the mind, and the five objects of sense; desire, aversion, pleasure and pain, persistency of life, and firmness, the power of cohesion. Thus I have made known unto thee what the Kshetra or body is with its component parts.

"True wisdom of a spiritual kind is freedom from self-esteem, hypocrisy, and injury to others; it is patience, sincerity, respect for spiritual instructors, purity, firmness, self-restraint, dispassion for objects of sense, freedom from pride, and a meditation upon birth, death, decay, sickness, and error; it is an exemption from self-identifying attachment for children, wife, and household, and a constant unwavering steadiness of heart upon the arrival of every event whether favorable or unfavorable; it is a never-ceasing love for me alone, the self being effaced, and worship paid in a solitary spot, and a want of pleasure in congregations of men; it is a resolute continuance in the study of Adhyatma, the Superior spirit, and a meditation upon the end of the acquirement of a knowledge of truth; -- this is called wisdom or spiritual knowledge; its opposite is ignorance.

"I will now tell thee what is the object of wisdom, from knowing which a man enjoys immortality; it is that which has no beginning, even the supreme Brahman, and of which it cannot be said that it is either Being or Non-Being. It has hands and feet in all directions; eyes, heads, mouths, and ears in every direction; it is immanent in the world, possessing the vast whole. Itself without organs, it is reflected by all the senses and faculties; unattached, yet supporting all; without qualities, yet the witness of them all. It is within and without all creatures animate and inanimate; it is inconceivable because of its subtlety, and although near it is afar off. Although undivided it appeareth as divided among creatures, and while it sustains existing things, it is also to be known as their destroyer and creator. It is the light of all lights, and is declared to be beyond all darkness; and it is wisdom itself, the object of wisdom, and that which is to be obtained by wisdom; in the hearts of all it ever presideth. Thus hath been briefly declared what is the perishable body, and wisdom itself, together with the object of wisdom; he, my devotee, who thus in truth conceiveth me, obtaineth my state.

"Know that prakriti or nature, and purusha the spirit, are without beginning. And know that the passions and the three qualities are sprung from nature. Nature or prakriti is said to be that which operates in producing cause and effect in actions (1); individual spirit or purusha is said to be the cause of experiencing pain and pleasure. (2) For spirit when invested with matter or prakriti experienceth the qualities which proceed from prakriti; its connection with these qualities is the cause of its rebirth in good and evil wombs. (3) The spirit in the body is called Mahesvara, the Great Lord, the spectator, the admonisher, the sustainer, the enjoyer, and also the Paramatma, the highest soul. He who thus knoweth the spirit and nature, together with the qualities, whatever mode of life he may lead, is not born again on this earth.

"Some men by meditation, using contemplation upon the Self, behold the spirit within, others attain to that end by philosophical study with its realization, and others by means of the religion of works. Others, again, who are not acquainted with it in this manner, but have heard it from others, cleave unto and respect it; and even these, if assiduous only upon tradition and attentive to hearing the scriptures, pass beyond the gulf of death. (4)

"Know, O chief of the Bharatas, that whenever anything, whether animate or inanimate, is produced, it is due to the union of the Kshetra and Kshetrajna -- body and the soul. He who seeth the Supreme Being existing alike imperishable in all perishable things, sees indeed. Perceiving the same Lord present in everything and everywhere, he does not by the lower self destroy his own soul, but goeth to the supreme end. He who seeth that all his actions are performed by nature only, and that the self within is not the actor, sees indeed. And when he realizes perfectly that all things whatsoever in nature are comprehended in the ONE, he attains to the Supreme Spirit. This Supreme Spirit, O son of Kunti, even when it is in the body, neither acteth nor is it affected by action, because, being without beginning and devoid of attributes, it is changeless. As the all-moving Akasa by reason of its subtlety passeth everywhere unaffected, so the Spirit, though present in every kind of body, is not attached to action nor affected. As a single sun illuminateth the whole world, even so doth the One Spirit illumine every body, O son of Bharata. Those who with the eye of wisdom thus perceive what is the difference between the body and Spirit and the destruction of the illusion of objects (5), go to the Supreme."

Thus in the Upanishads, called the holy Bhagavad-Gita, in the science of the Supreme Spirit, in the book of devotion, in the colloquy between the Holy Krishna and Arjuna, stands the Thirteenth Chapter, by name --

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P4P3R T1G3R2
You do know Hindus have no Bible so where do they get all this crap from??? 


My Webpage
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P4P3R T1G3R2


Uh Hindus have Holy Books and many but no BIBLE!!!
zandore
QUOTE(Loge @ Mar 20 2005, 03:35 PM)
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P4P3R T1G3R2
You do know Hindus have no Bible so where do they get all this crap from??? 


My Webpage
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Hey Loge I liked that web site! thumbsup.gif
Did you click on the word Intelligence? It is a link.
Loge
QUOTE(P4P3R T1G3R2 @ Mar 20 2005, 03:37 PM)
Uh Hindus have Holy Books and many but no BIBLE!!!
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BIBLE from Late Latin biblia, from Greek, pl. of biblion, book, diminutive of biblos, papyrus, book, from Bublos, Byblos.

These are the HOLY BOOKS of the HEBREW RACE: w00t.gif
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
1 Samuel
2 Samuel
1 Kings
2 Kings
1 Chronicles
2 Chronicles
Ezra
Nehemiah
Esther
Job
Psalms
Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Canticles (Song of Solomon)
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Lamentations
Ezekiel
Daniel
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
New Testament
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Acts
Romans
1 Corinthians
2 Corinthians
Galatians
Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
1 Thessalonians
2 Thessalonians
1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon
Hebrews
James
1 Peter
2 Peter
1 John
2 John
3 John
Jude
Revelation


So, if the only "biblos, papyrus, books, from Bublos, Byblos." that you know is the compilation of HEBREW Holy Books, then, that is your personal, individual problem!

The Hindu Bible (biblos, papyrus, books, from Bublos, Byblos) has a lot of information on cosmology than the Hebrew Bible!

Fanaticism is always dangerous, since it is based on ignorance! wacko.gif
KevinM
I'm guessing this person is borrowing from the largely ubsurd anti christian lies of one Miss Murdock(also known as Achaiyra). This extremely ignorant woman has invented some extremely stupid ideas about world religion mostly by ignoring what any texts say. One of her bigger claims is that Jesus Christ was created by Hindus who came to the area and built a religion to stablize the Roman empire. As such she beleives that the two are interchangable. Seriously scholars on religion generally consider it so much hot air.
Loge
QUOTE(KevinM @ Mar 20 2005, 06:39 PM)

I'm guessing this person is borrowing from the largely ubsurd anti christian lies of one Miss Murdock(also known as Achaiyra).  This extremely ignorant woman has invented some extremely stupid ideas about world religion mostly by ignoring what any texts say.  One of her bigger claims is that Jesus Christ was created by Hindus who came to the area and built a religion to stablize the Roman empire.  As such she beleives that the two are interchangable.  Seriously scholars on religion generally consider it so much hot air.
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I'm guessing that KevinM is only guessing that some people are extremely ignorant when they guess that people who disagree with his religious ideas, invent some extremely stupid ideas about other world religions mostly by ignoring what other religious texts say. blink.gif

The HEBREW Bible IS NOT the only sacred book in the world. no.gif

Why should we think that only the Hebrews texts are good and the Hindu, Chinese, Tibetan, Mayan, Greek, Nordic, etc., texts are bad? wacko.gif

There is wisdom within all sacred Bibles (Books) of the world! w00t.gif
Consummate Deist
Bravo Loge on your bringing other belief systems to this forum, I was getting tired of all the Evangelizing here
KevinM
Lodge judging by your posts you've never read any religious text not written in the last century. You show a profound ignorance of Buddhist and Hindu teachings that any real member of either religion would find extremely insulting. THe difference between us is that I"ve made the effort to study what the religions you ramble on about actually believe instead of simply listening to a bunch of new age crack pots babble about them. Most of the garbage that gets passed of as Eastern Philosophy in the US(Trancendental Meditation for example) has so little to do with any actual eastern idea its astounding.
KevinM
Krishna isn't Christ Lodge. He was a diety with a completely different purpose from a different mythos. Christ is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Messiah. The messiah is a figure fortold by Jewish prophecy that Christians believe was fufilled in Jesus. Applying it to another religion entirely is a technical innacuracy and a simplification of a belief system older and more complex then Christianity or Judaism
Thistle
QUOTE(KevinM @ Mar 21 2005, 09:33 PM)
Lodge judging by your posts you've never read any religious text not written in the last century.  You show a profound ignorance of Buddhist and Hindu teachings that any real member of either religion would find extremely insulting.  THe difference between us is that I"ve made the effort to study what the religions you ramble on about actually believe instead of simply listening to a bunch of new age crack pots babble about them. 
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Well Kevin, why don't you put your knowledge to good use and share it with the forum instead of just stating that everyone else is wrong.



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KevinM
Very well lets consider the Judaic concept of a Messiah in comparison to the Hindu tradtion.

Judaism holds:
The universe has a single God
The Messiah would be born to the line of David
Would lead them to victory against there enemies
Would be pierced through the side with out breaking a bone
Would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
Would be born a set number of generations from Abraham
Would have specific signs in the sky that would herald his comming

Biblical teachings hold:
The Universe has a single God with three ways of representing himself
Jesus Christ son of Joseph was the prophecised Messiah
Jesus Christ was sent by God to save man from sin
Jesus Christ is the only method of reaching God
That it is given to a man to only die once
That repentance and invoking the death of Christ is all thats required to gain Heaven
that Jesus was crucified

Hinduism holds:
one universal concept exist(the Brahma) but there are countless ways of percieving it(individual gods like Krishna)
Krishna was a teacher and warrior who did not come to earth to save souls
Humans can only reach Nirvana(the closest amalgamation to Heaven) by moving through the wheel of reincarnation and karma improving with each life
That all religions are in fact different forms of Hinduism worshiping the same principle filtered through culture
That repentence isn't enough but that a soul must face the consequences of all actions either in this life or by the way they return in the next
That Krishna was killed by an arrow

One of the other substantial differences between Judeo/Christian belief and HInduism is in there ideas of the after life. In Judaism and Christianity Heaven is a state of communion with God. You are with him but still recognizably yourself. In Hinduism Nirvana is merging into Brahma. Every thing that makes a person uniquely themself is absorbed into the divine principle.

Calling Krishna Christ as was done right in the subject line of this thread is neither accurate nor a sign of any real comprehension of the meaning of the word Christ. Its a gross simplification increasingly popular in the US today.
Me_Again
Some meanings to some are meaningless, to others meaningful and meanings change...I don't think Loge was referring to the same meaning of Christ, that some are referring to...

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"So all of us are members of the body of Christ. And if Christ is one with God, so too are we. We simply do not know it. Refuse to believe it. Cannot imagine it.
Yet it is not true that going with Jesus on the way to God requires us to be going through Jesus on the way to God. That was not his message. If Jesus could put his message in contemporary terms, speaking to people with today's greater sophistication and larger understanding. I believe he would say:
"I observe that you do not believe in yourself. You do not believe that humans are divine. Clearly, you could use an example of that. I will be that example. I am that. I and the father are one. I am the son of God, and you are the sons and daughters of God as well. I am the life and the way. Live your life as I live mine.
And all the masters and messangers - Buddha, Abraham, Baha u'llah, Jesus, Krishna, Moses, and all the others invite you today to accept Who You Are, that you might end forever your suffering, and your infliction of suffering upon others."
-Tomorrows God by Neale Donald Walsch


In my opinion, what matters is that human beings realize Who We Are - A PART OF GOD, not APART FROM GOD wub.gif

Ashley-Star*Child
QUOTE(Loge @ Mar 20 2005, 03:57 PM)
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The Hindu Christ KRISHNA Said:  sleep.gif

"This perishable body, O son of Kunti, is known as Kshetra; those who are acquainted with the true nature of things call the soul who knows it, the Kshetrajna. Know also that I am the Knower in every mortal body, O son of Bharata; that knowledge which through the soul is a realization of both the known and the knower is alone esteemed by me as wisdom. What the Kshetra or body is, what it resembleth, what it produceth, and what is its origin, and also who he is who, dwelling within, knoweth it, as well as what is his power, learn all in brief from me. It has been manifoldly sung by the Rishis with discrimination and with arguments in the various Vedic hymns which treat of Brahman.

"This body, then, is made up of the great elements, Ahankara -- egotism, Buddhi -- intellect or judgment, the unmanifest, invisible spirit; the ten centers of action, the mind, and the five objects of sense; desire, aversion, pleasure and pain, persistency of life, and firmness, the power of cohesion. Thus I have made known unto thee what the Kshetra or body is with its component parts.

"True wisdom of a spiritual kind is freedom from self-esteem, hypocrisy, and injury to others; it is patience, sincerity, respect for spiritual instructors, purity, firmness, self-restraint, dispassion for objects of sense, freedom from pride, and a meditation upon birth, death, decay, sickness, and error; it is an exemption from self-identifying attachment for children, wife, and household, and a constant unwavering steadiness of heart upon the arrival of every event whether favorable or unfavorable; it is a never-ceasing love for me alone, the self being effaced, and worship paid in a solitary spot, and a want of pleasure in congregations of men; it is a resolute continuance in the study of Adhyatma, the Superior spirit, and a meditation upon the end of the acquirement of a knowledge of truth; -- this is called wisdom or spiritual knowledge; its opposite is ignorance.

"I will now tell thee what is the object of wisdom, from knowing which a man enjoys immortality; it is that which has no beginning, even the supreme Brahman, and of which it cannot be said that it is either Being or Non-Being. It has hands and feet in all directions; eyes, heads, mouths, and ears in every direction; it is immanent in the world, possessing the vast whole. Itself without organs, it is reflected by all the senses and faculties; unattached, yet supporting all; without qualities, yet the witness of them all. It is within and without all creatures animate and inanimate; it is inconceivable because of its subtlety, and although near it is afar off. Although undivided it appeareth as divided among creatures, and while it sustains existing things, it is also to be known as their destroyer and creator. It is the light of all lights, and is declared to be beyond all darkness; and it is wisdom itself, the object of wisdom, and that which is to be obtained by wisdom; in the hearts of all it ever presideth. Thus hath been briefly declared what is the perishable body, and wisdom itself, together with the object of wisdom; he, my devotee, who thus in truth conceiveth me, obtaineth my state.

"Know that prakriti or nature, and purusha the spirit, are without beginning. And know that the passions and the three qualities are sprung from nature. Nature or prakriti is said to be that which operates in producing cause and effect in actions (1); individual spirit or purusha is said to be the cause of experiencing pain and pleasure. (2) For spirit when invested with matter or prakriti experienceth the qualities which proceed from prakriti; its connection with these qualities is the cause of its rebirth in good and evil wombs. (3) The spirit in the body is called Mahesvara, the Great Lord, the spectator, the admonisher, the sustainer, the enjoyer, and also the Paramatma, the highest soul. He who thus knoweth the spirit and nature, together with the qualities, whatever mode of life he may lead, is not born again on this earth.

"Some men by meditation, using contemplation upon the Self, behold the spirit within, others attain to that end by philosophical study with its realization, and others by means of the religion of works. Others, again, who are not acquainted with it in this manner, but have heard it from others, cleave unto and respect it; and even these, if assiduous only upon tradition and attentive to hearing the scriptures, pass beyond the gulf of death. (4)

"Know, O chief of the Bharatas, that whenever anything, whether animate or inanimate, is produced, it is due to the union of the Kshetra and Kshetrajna -- body and the soul. He who seeth the Supreme Being existing alike imperishable in all perishable things, sees indeed. Perceiving the same Lord present in everything and everywhere, he does not by the lower self destroy his own soul, but goeth to the supreme end. He who seeth that all his actions are performed by nature only, and that the self within is not the actor, sees indeed. And when he realizes perfectly that all things whatsoever in nature are comprehended in the ONE, he attains to the Supreme Spirit. This Supreme Spirit, O son of Kunti, even when it is in the body, neither acteth nor is it affected by action, because, being without beginning and devoid of attributes, it is changeless. As the all-moving Akasa by reason of its subtlety passeth everywhere unaffected, so the Spirit, though present in every kind of body, is not attached to action nor affected. As a single sun illuminateth the whole world, even so doth the One Spirit illumine every body, O son of Bharata. Those who with the eye of wisdom thus perceive what is the difference between the body and Spirit and the destruction of the illusion of objects (5), go to the Supreme."

Thus in the Upanishads, called the holy Bhagavad-Gita, in the science of the Supreme Spirit, in the book of devotion, in the colloquy between the Holy Krishna and Arjuna, stands the Thirteenth Chapter, by name --

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Muahahahahahahahahaha. Krishna is Jesus??? IN YOUR DREAMS. wacko.gif You need to enlist a little mental discrimination. Sorting wheat from chaff?
Me_Again
God manifests in many ways...maybe someone is Jesus reincarnated w00t.gif
Ashley-Star*Child
People get reincarnated. Jesus didn't. The most common cause for reincarnation is sin from past lives, or not completing what you had to do. Jesus didn't sin, and He completed what He had to do.
zandore
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child Posted Today @ 12:07 AM )
The most common cause for reincarnation is sin from past lives, or not completing what you had to do

Ashley I am just curious as to where in the Bible that is said?
Dark_Grey
Yea, Im not too sure reincarnation is Biblical?

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mako
The closest it comes is where the disciples asked if He were certain prophets returned (not a bible scholar, so can't quote passages verbatim). The Jews were influenced by their Hindu neighbors and did accept the idea of reincarnation, but it never made it into their scriptures. Ashley may have found it in that psuedoepigraph called Enoch, written around 200 BCE and never included in the bible (OT or NT). no.gif
Loge
QUOTE(mako @ Mar 22 2005, 09:12 AM)
The closest it comes is where the disciples asked if He were certain prophets returned (not a bible scholar, so can't quote passages verbatim).  The Jews were influenced by their Hindu neighbors and did accept the idea of reincarnation, but it never made it into their scriptures.  Ashley may have found it in that psuedoepigraph called Enoch, written around 200 BCE and never included in the bible (OT or NT). no.gif
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The Jews were influenced not only by their Hindu neighbors but moreover, they also were influenced by their Egyptians neighbors! yes.gif

"To any one who reads "The Source of Measures," or "Hebrew Egyptian Mystery," and understands the undeniable, clear, and mathematical proofs that the esoteric foundations, or the system used in the building of the Great Pyramid, and the architectural measurements in the Temple of Solomon (whether the latter be mythical or real), Noah's ark, and the ark of the Covenant, are the same. If anything in the world can settle the dispute that the old, as much as the later, Jews (post-Babylonian), and especially the former, built their theology and religion on the very same foundation as all Pagans did, it is the work in question. " happy.gif
KevinM
And any one who actualy bother studying what the religions believe realize they are about as different as you come. Stop reading modern crack pot theories and go back and study the actual belief systems.
Loge
QUOTE(KevinM @ Mar 22 2005, 03:42 PM)

And any one who actualy bother studying what the religions believe realize they are about as different as you come.  Stop reading modern crack pot theories and go back and study the actual belief systems.
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Beliefs are for blind people!

It is better to awake the Superlative Senses of the Being and to study the Akasic records (the memories of nature)! thumbsup.gif
KevinM
Every bit of fantasy you spout is beliefs. You can't support any of it and ALL OF IT is contradicted by the actual texts of religion. By saying all belief is wrong you make yourself wrong. Can you even answer a direct challenge to your lies? I posted a complete refutation of your pervesion of Buddhas teachings particularly the FACT that Buddha was no God and never claimed to be but you've yet to prove yourself right. Your no different then any other religious zealot screaming your beliefs as fact with out proof.
Loge
Crossing The Stream

"Few cross over the river,
Most are stranded on this side,
On the riverbank they run up and down.

But the wise person, following the way,
Crosses over, beyond the reach of death.

Free from desire,
Free from possessions,
Free from attachment and appetite,
Following the seven lights of awakening,
And rejoicing freatly in one's freedom.
In this world the wise person
Becomes onself a light,
Pure, shining, free."

Wakefulness

"Wakefulness is the way to life.
The fool sleeps
As if he were already dead,
But the master is awake
And he lives forever.

He watches.
He is clear.

How happy he is!
For he sees that wakefulness is life.
How happy he is,
Following the path of the awakened.

With great perserverance
He meditates, seeking
Freedom and happiness." happy.gif
P4P3R T1G3R2
QUOTE(KevinM @ Mar 22 2005, 08:42 PM)
And any one who actualy bother studying what the religions believe realize they are about as different as you come.  Stop reading modern crack pot theories and go back and study the actual belief systems.
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haha I agree. He thinks Hebrew is Mayan for Pete's sake. I don't know what else to say. mellow.gif
Loge
QUOTE(P4P3R T1G3R2 @ Mar 22 2005, 06:29 PM)

QUOTE(KevinM @ Mar 22 2005, 08:42 PM)
And any one who actualy bother studying what the religions believe realize they are about as different as you come.  Stop reading modern crack pot theories and go back and study the actual belief systems.
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haha I agree. He thinks Hebrew is Mayan for Pete's sake. I don't know what else to say. mellow.gif
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Do not say anything, just read and study: w00t.gif

Jesus learned Mayan language in Tibet. The Atlantean-Mayan race colonized Tibet after the universal flood (sinking of Atlantis). cool.gif

"I don't know if you know that when Christ spoke on the cross--Jesus Christ--he spoke this strange thing. He said, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani!" which most people did not understand. "Eli, what's he doing?" But they translated it anyway as, "My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?" As he dies on the cross--a very un-Christian thing to say. A very un-Christlike thing to say. My Mayan master teacher, who died in 1984--Domingo Martinez Paredes--was from the Yucatan, and he said that term makes perfect sense in Maya Yucateco. And it means, "Now I submerge myself into the radiance of your presence." "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani." In Maya Yucateco? What was Jesus Christ doing speaking Maya Yucateco? One of the mysteries, okay, of world culture, and the link of America to the rest of the world. These are eternal mysteries that fascinate me. I love to explore them in any way that I can, but especially in the arts, and so our work, as humble as it is, made from sticks and stones and chewing gum and rags, Teatro Campesino, has dealt with cosmic issues, because the cosmos is as close as your heart. We're all going to die. We all wonder what comes next. You can explore it. You don't need the Broadway stage; the Broadway stage needs us. You don't need Hollywood. Hollywood is going crazy imitating itself anyway; it needs us. "

My Webpage
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Loge
This is another example of the influence of the Atlantean Mayan language! mellow.gif

The Mayan word “Huracan” is use to explain creation.

Caculha Huracan: lightning flash.

Chipi-Caculha: small flash.

Raxa-Caculha: thundering flash.

Huracan also means giant (hu racan), a word that is also applied to any animal which is larger than others of its species.

Huracan -> hu racan agree with the giant form of the flash and the lightning as it is drawn in the sky. Therefore, the Native Caribbean of the West Indies adopted the Mayan word “Huracan” to designate that giant cyclone destructive natural phenomena, and the word was later incorporated into our modern language as Hurricane.
Loge
QUOTE(Dark_Grey @ Mar 22 2005, 09:05 AM)
Yea, Im not too sure reincarnation is Biblical?

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Study these quotes! grin2.gif
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12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13: For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
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13: When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14: And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
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10: And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12: But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13: Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
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zandore
What verses are you using?
Loge
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What verses are you using?
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Sorry! blush.gif

Matt.11
Matt.16
Matt.17

Respectively!
The Raven
QUOTE(Loge @ Mar 20 2005, 09:10 PM)
QUOTE(KevinM @ Mar 20 2005, 06:39 PM)

I'm guessing this person is borrowing from the largely ubsurd anti christian lies of one Miss Murdock(also known as Achaiyra).  This extremely ignorant woman has invented some extremely stupid ideas about world religion mostly by ignoring what any texts say.  One of her bigger claims is that Jesus Christ was created by Hindus who came to the area and built a religion to stablize the Roman empire.  As such she beleives that the two are interchangable.  Seriously scholars on religion generally consider it so much hot air.
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Why should we think that only the Hebrews texts are good and the Hindu, Chinese, Tibetan, Mayan, Greek, Nordic, etc., texts are bad? wacko.gif

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I very much agree with you Loge. Although the closest thing to a Norse Bible in existance are the eddas and sagas, they have some of the most powerful lessons and tales in them I have ever read -- and continue to read I might add -- yet they are all so simple and believable. I would like to question KevinM on his knowledge of these, Norse in particular, so I can see how mighty the all knowing KevinM really is.

I believe that I learn about and study old tales, not modern "crack pot" theories. I ask you Kevin, what do you know about these (Norse) and are they modern, and born of crack pots?
Loge
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I'm guessing this person is borrowing from the largely ubsurd anti christian lies of one Miss Murdock(also known as Achaiyra).  This extremely ignorant woman has invented some extremely stupid ideas about world religion mostly by ignoring what any texts say.  One of her bigger claims is that Jesus Christ was created by Hindus who came to the area and built a religion to stablize the Roman empire.  As such she beleives that the two are interchangable.  Seriously scholars on religion generally consider it so much hot air.
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Why should we think that only the Hebrews texts are good and the Hindu, Chinese, Tibetan, Mayan, Greek, Nordic, etc., texts are bad? wacko.gif

There is wisdom within all sacred Bibles (Books) of the world! w00t.gif
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I very much agree with you Loge. Although the closest thing to a Norse Bible in existance are the eddas and sagas, they have some of the most powerful lessons and tales in them I have ever read -- and continue to read I might add -- yet they are all so simple and believable. I would like to question KevinM on his knowledge of these, Norse in particular, so I can see how mighty the all knowing KevinM really is.

I believe that I learn about and study old tales, not modern "crack pot" theories. I ask you Kevin, what do you know about these (Norse) and are they modern, and born of crack pots?
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If you want to learn about the NORSE, this is the best way:

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The Raven
Interesting. A lot of that information is incorrect, but the list is too long for me to name it all, and that is just a small, weak tale, not showing the true glory of the Eddas and Sagas. Have you seen it? And yes, my challenge still stands.
Loge
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Interesting. A lot of that information is incorrect, but the list is too long for me to name it all, and that is just a small, weak tale, not showing the true glory of the Eddas and Sagas. Have you seen it? And yes, my challenge still stands. 
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Wagner's Opera the Ring of the Nibelungen is indeed a remarkable modern work of music that tells you a lot about the norse gods!

So, I do believe that this old mythological Wagner's piece of work is wonderful and not a modern "crack pot" theory as Kevin does! dontgetit.gif
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