DaKong
Mar 22 2005, 05:06 AM
God, I got to stop reading the Bible...
When the time ended, Satan will be let out of his prison. He will go out and decieve the nations from every corner of the Earth, which are called Gog and Magog. He will gather them together for battle-a mighty hose, as numberless as sand along the shore. And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded God's people and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them Revelation 20:7- 20:10
Maybe this is why this is happening to the world... Satan has been released, the hurricanes, tsunami, etc is his evil wrath...
And maybe soon, it'll stop, cuz God will save us...
I'll post again if I find anything else... For all you Believers
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 22 2005, 05:13 AM
Nope actually the Tsunami was in Revelation 8 - and was also talked about by Jesus where men would 'die of fright at the crashing of the waves' etc. The next is on my sig.
DaKong
Mar 22 2005, 05:17 AM
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Mar 22 2005, 12:13 AM)
Nope actually the Tsunami was in Revelation 8 - and was also talked about by Jesus where men would 'die of fright at the crashing of the waves' etc. The next is on my sig.

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Yah maybe your right... Wow I'm scared when the seventh trumpet sounds... And the great prostitute... Thank God she's gone... I hope...<.< >.>
Ruby
Mar 22 2005, 06:54 AM
Well i dont read the bible though it makes sense about Satan has been released, the hurricanes, tsunami, etc is his evil wrath
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 22 2005, 07:30 AM
Actually....that's God's wrath...
Richdog
Mar 22 2005, 07:51 AM
Wow the Bible predicted natural disasters *keels over in shock*.
DaKong
Mar 22 2005, 07:59 AM
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Wow the Bible predicted natural disasters *keels over in shock*.

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Actually....that's God's wrath...
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Well i dont read the bible though it makes sense about Satan has been released, the hurricanes, tsunami, etc is his evil wrath
Wow getting a range of comments here...
Thought it would be interesting...
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 22 2005, 08:20 AM
Notice a change in seasons lately Richdog?
Consummate Deist
Mar 22 2005, 01:25 PM
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Notice a change in seasons lately Richdog?
Which one Ashley, the end of the Ice Age 20 or 30,000 years ago, the Myceanan drought about 1400 BCE, the "mini" ice age of the 1300's CE or any other. The climate of the planet is in a constant flux and to try to assign "God's Hand" to it devolves you to the position of a grunting savage sitting around a campfire telling myths of the Great Spirtits! These things have happened every since there was a planet Earth and will continue to happen long after Mankind is gone! CD
Hoagy
Mar 22 2005, 01:46 PM
Oh, yeah, the Tsunamni, the result of the earths plates shifting, yeah, I heard about that one too...
marduk
Mar 22 2005, 03:24 PM
Oh please don't lose any sleep over it.
I have it on good authority that the natural disasters are neither the work of God(the father) or Satan.
See my god told me they don't actually exist so it can hardly be their fault
Jesus you're in the clear buddy
Hasn't he been blamed for enough already for you guys
youre supposed to be his followers but whenever something bad happens you lay the blame at his door or that of his former employee
I wouldn't be surprised if when you finally get to meet St Peter you all get barred for slander
Seraphina
Mar 22 2005, 03:59 PM
Eih...I've said it once, I'll say it a billion times...
Why on earth would Satan be unleashing tidal waves and hurricanes to kill people?

Havn't you people read the bible? He's quite obviously the good guy...using natural disasters to ruthlessly murder people is actually the practice of God.
Or maybe, just maybe, it's all natural

Who would have thought it...natural occurances like tidal waves and hurricanes being caused by nature

Wow...
Athenian
Mar 22 2005, 04:14 PM
QUOTE(Seraphina @ Mar 22 2005, 03:59 PM)
Or maybe, just maybe, it's all natural

Who would have thought it...natural occurances like tidal waves and hurricanes being caused by nature

Wow...
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Yeah, For the crap we have been doing to it.
Seraphina
Mar 22 2005, 04:21 PM
Well, certainly I do believe global warming has, to some degree at least, vastly accelerated the earth's routine changes...however, the whole thing is still, at the end of the day, a natural process...we're just experiencing it a few hundred years sooner that we should be (which isn't even a blip on the geological scale).
Hoagy
Mar 22 2005, 04:26 PM
indeed, but global warming is'nt the work of any god
DaKong
Mar 22 2005, 05:30 PM
C'mon guys, stick to the topic...
Seraphina
Mar 22 2005, 05:33 PM
Mr DaKong, I think you'll find we ARE sticking to the topic...we are talking about the cause of the recent tempermental weather conditions

Some blame it on Satan...we are pointing out the lunacy of this statement, and highlighting the alternatives
marduk
Mar 22 2005, 05:42 PM
I think its far more likely to be caused by Disney than either God or satan
Of course I have no evidence whatsoever to support this view
But then neither do the ones saying it was god or satan so its just as justified and not at all off topic
DaKong
Mar 22 2005, 05:57 PM
Okay, sorry. v.v
Well, I just thought it'd be interesting, because in Revelation it says how Satan will be let out of his prison somewhere in the next few millenia, and the sudden terrorist movements, hurricanes, and the tsunami just kind of imitates this prospect in the Book.
[Yes, Revelation is my fav book in the Bible

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marduk
Mar 22 2005, 06:38 PM
In the next few millenia ?
You sure
Go read it again
joko
Mar 22 2005, 09:59 PM
thanks DaKong for standing up for the bible one things for sure the end times are near.
saucy
Mar 23 2005, 01:36 AM
None of you "so-called" Christians know your bible. It's okay to ask questions, because that obviously means you need help in finding an answer, but never accept an answer from Ashley. She doesn't know the bible from the back of her hand. Listen, Revelations say that the prostitute is the false religion that the false prophet and anti-Christ will use to gain power, then will destory it when they realize the false church is trying to boss them around. The bible actually says this false church is located near seven hills. Hmmm, the Vatican? Sure. Why not. This church already believes its a world superpower and tries to influence world politics. It is also located near seven hills. The catholic church is the prostitute the bible mentions. It is full of greed and controversy and lies and there is nothing honorable about them. Yes, earthquakes and tsunamis are noted as signs for the end of times, but have been happening for thousands of years. There's no way to tell if it's the end of days until they actually come. Stop worrying about them. Also, in the book of Revelation, the seven letters Peter writes to the seven churches are actually church ages that are to pass before the second coming. Read them and look at history. We are living in the seventh and final church age. The bible describes it as people who have everything. We have so much stuff and have need of nothing. Go ahead, read it as you read this and compare. We have all this stuff, yet we are miserable and depressed and upset. That's exactly what the last church age is supposed to be like and it's how we are. We have everything, but we're miserable. We are living in the end times, but don't be worried about them. Either you're gonna go during the rapture, or everyone else is right by saying there isn't even a God.
DaKong
Mar 23 2005, 01:38 AM
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In the next few millenia ?
You sure
Go read it again
First, ease up on your temper.
Second, typo. It says a thousand years, but it also says that the seventh terror will come soon, and the lilith will come back to ravage the Earth.
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thanks DaKong for standing up for the bible one things for sure the end times are near.
Thanks

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None of you "so-called" Christians know your bible. It's okay to ask questions, because that obviously means you need help in finding an answer, but never accept an answer from Ashley. She doesn't know the bible from the back of her hand. Listen, Revelations say that the prostitute is the false religion that the false prophet and anti-Christ will use to gain power, then will destory it when they realize the false church is trying to boss them around. The bible actually says this false church is located near seven hills. Hmmm, the Vatican? Sure. Why not. This church already believes its a world superpower and tries to influence world politics. It is also located near seven hills. The catholic church is the prostitute the bible mentions. It is full of greed and controversy and lies and there is nothing honorable about them. Yes, earthquakes and tsunamis are noted as signs for the end of times, but have been happening for thousands of years. There's no way to tell if it's the end of days until they actually come. Stop worrying about them. Also, in the book of Revelation, the seven letters Peter writes to the seven churches are actually church ages that are to pass before the second coming. Read them and look at history. We are living in the seventh and final church age. The bible describes it as people who have everything. We have so much stuff and have need of nothing. Go ahead, read it as you read this and compare. We have all this stuff, yet we are miserable and depressed and upset. That's exactly what the last church age is supposed to be like and it's how we are. We have everything, but we're miserable. We are living in the end times, but don't be worried about them. Either you're gonna go during the rapture, or everyone else is right by saying there isn't even a God.
I commemorate you on your knowledge of the Bible. I read Revelation alot, but it's been awhile, so gotta go re-read it.
Another thing- I saw an on-line pole, and half of the people who read the Bible still don't even know who Jezebel and Elisha/Elijha are. Ironic, eh?
Dark_Grey
Mar 23 2005, 01:43 AM
QUOTE(saucy @ Mar 22 2005, 08:36 PM)
None of you "so-called" Christians know your bible. It's okay to ask questions, because that obviously means you need help in finding an answer, but never accept an answer from Ashley. She doesn't know the bible from the back of her hand. Listen, Revelations say that the prostitute is the false religion that the false prophet and anti-Christ will use to gain power, then will destory it when they realize the false church is trying to boss them around. The bible actually says this false church is located near seven hills. Hmmm, the Vatican? Sure. Why not. This church already believes its a world superpower and tries to influence world politics. It is also located near seven hills. The catholic church is the prostitute the bible mentions. It is full of greed and controversy and lies and there is nothing honorable about them. Yes, earthquakes and tsunamis are noted as signs for the end of times, but have been happening for thousands of years. There's no way to tell if it's the end of days until they actually come. Stop worrying about them. Also, in the book of Revelation, the seven letters Peter writes to the seven churches are actually church ages that are to pass before the second coming. Read them and look at history. We are living in the seventh and final church age. The bible describes it as people who have everything. We have so much stuff and have need of nothing. Go ahead, read it as you read this and compare. We have all this stuff, yet we are miserable and depressed and upset. That's exactly what the last church age is supposed to be like and it's how we are. We have everything, but we're miserable. We are living in the end times, but don't be worried about them. Either you're gonna go during the rapture, or everyone else is right by saying there isn't even a God.
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Wow thats about the most sensible thing I've read all day lol..listen man what branch of Christianity are you? Protestant? Baptist? Lutheran?
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DaKong
Mar 23 2005, 01:43 AM
I'm Disciples of Christ [First Christian]...
http://www.disciples.org/
eckogangsta
Mar 23 2005, 01:47 AM
THE MOTHMAN DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!
DaKong
Mar 23 2005, 01:57 AM
Wtf???
But who knows... Maybe... (No this has nothing to do with Mothman. Good humor, though

Thanks!)... Just maybe... Heh *shrugs* I'm out of suggestions...
Podge Abrillion
Mar 23 2005, 02:05 AM
While you could say that we are living in the seventh and final church, beacause we have everything yet are misrible, etc., are you sure this is entirely accrute? After all, the christian, well off nations of the world (Where people have everything) are actually quite rare, speaking in terms of population. In fact, quite a lot of the world has sod all; taking for example most nations of Africa and quite a bit of Aisa. It seems to me that most of hte world is quite badly off, whilst an elite majority (most if us) have the majority of the wealth. Just like it has always been, right back to the times of Christ. (Think rich Romans vs. Poor Jews.)
In any case, isn't it possible that the bible might be wrong. It is something of a self-refrential work...
Dark_Grey
Mar 23 2005, 02:11 AM
Hm. I heard sumwhere that 1% of the worlds population holds about 3/4 of the worlds wealth?
(Cripes thats gonna end up in 'DG's most retarded quotes to date'

) lol
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hyperactive
Mar 23 2005, 02:16 AM
QUOTE(Seraphina @ Mar 22 2005, 08:21 AM)
Well, certainly I do believe global warming has, to some degree at least, vastly accelerated the earth's routine changes...however, the whole thing is still, at the end of the day, a natural process...we're just experiencing it a few hundred years sooner that we should be (which isn't even a blip on the geological scale).
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check out the article in this month's scientific american that hypothesises man first began altering the climate (global warming) 8000 years ago when he began clearing forested lands to grow crops. Very interesting.
Podge Abrillion
Mar 23 2005, 02:21 AM
Yeah, thats probably true. I mean, humanity has been messing with things on a grand scale for a while now. However, just because we've been doing it for so long doesn't mean we should keep doing it, even if it's only speeding things up by a 'few' hundred years. Then next few decades are very important to me! And with the proper advances in science, the next few hundred might well be important to me as well
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 23 2005, 03:36 AM
QUOTE(Consummate Deist @ Mar 22 2005, 01:25 PM)
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Notice a change in seasons lately Richdog?
Which one Ashley, the end of the Ice Age 20 or 30,000 years ago, the Myceanan drought about 1400 BCE, the "mini" ice age of the 1300's CE or any other. The climate of the planet is in a constant flux and to try to assign "God's Hand" to it devolves you to the position of a grunting savage sitting around a campfire telling myths of the Great Spirtits! These things have happened every since there was a planet Earth and will continue to happen long after Mankind is gone! CD

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The Ice Age has already been covered and written about. I'm talking about NOW. It's written about twice, in different context. Seasons change all the time do they? A tsunami causes the Earth to lose part of a day, all the time, does it? Indeed it does not.
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 23 2005, 03:40 AM
QUOTE(saucy @ Mar 23 2005, 01:36 AM)
None of you "so-called" Christians know your bible. It's okay to ask questions, because that obviously means you need help in finding an answer, but never accept an answer from Ashley. She doesn't know the bible from the back of her hand. Listen, Revelations say that the prostitute is the false religion that the false prophet and anti-Christ will use to gain power, then will destory it when they realize the false church is trying to boss them around. The bible actually says this false church is located near seven hills. Hmmm, the Vatican? Sure. Why not. This church already believes its a world superpower and tries to influence world politics. It is also located near seven hills. The catholic church is the prostitute the bible mentions. It is full of greed and controversy and lies and there is nothing honorable about them. Yes, earthquakes and tsunamis are noted as signs for the end of times, but have been happening for thousands of years. There's no way to tell if it's the end of days until they actually come. Stop worrying about them. Also, in the book of Revelation, the seven letters Peter writes to the seven churches are actually church ages that are to pass before the second coming. Read them and look at history. We are living in the seventh and final church age. The bible describes it as people who have everything. We have so much stuff and have need of nothing. Go ahead, read it as you read this and compare. We have all this stuff, yet we are miserable and depressed and upset. That's exactly what the last church age is supposed to be like and it's how we are. We have everything, but we're miserable. We are living in the end times, but don't be worried about them. Either you're gonna go during the rapture, or everyone else is right by saying there isn't even a God.
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I know it more than you do. Yes, ROME, not the CATHOLIC CHURCH as a whole, which houses the Popes will have satan inflitrated by it. That Pope will be THE anti-Christ, I have said that before. That is the meaning of the prostitute on the 7 heads of the dragon, the 7 hills of Rome. And my word, what is happening are indeed 'signs'. Your church is not superior, and will be saved no more than any other church. NO CHURCH AS A WHOLE WILL BE SAVED. It is about people, not churchs.
DaKong
Mar 23 2005, 04:54 AM
*shrugs*
I got a headache, but I can tell you that not all Catholics are Satan-spawned. My gf (yes the same one with y-k-w) is Catholic, and she is by far probably one of the most respectable and Godly people I've known (seriously).
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 23 2005, 05:20 AM
You are right DaKong. It's not about the church/religion, it's about GOD.
Preacher man aka Saucy,
This is exactly why it's not about any specific church. It's belief as a whole, which ANYONE can be part of. To believe that one *special* church is going to be saved, when all are of the same beliefs, give or take a few things, is pride. Pride is a sin, preacher-man. Did you skip that passage?
How about a pop quizz, hey, let's see who knows more.
I'll start, where is the 10th Heaven located? Who is in the 10th Heaven? Who can enter the 10th Heaven?
Come on preacher man, you know all. Let's see who people should be listening to.
DaKong
Mar 23 2005, 05:35 AM
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child @ Mar 23 2005, 12:20 AM)
You are right DaKong. It's not about the church/religion, it's about GOD.
Preacher man aka Saucy,
This is exactly why it's not about any specific church. It's belief as a whole, which ANYONE can be part of. To believe that one *special* church is going to be saved, when all are of the same beliefs, give or take a few things, is pride. Pride is a sin, preacher-man. Did you skip that passage?
How about a pop quizz, hey, let's see who knows more.
I'll start, where is the 10th Heaven located? Who is in the 10th Heaven? Who can enter the 10th Heaven?
Come on preacher man, you know all. Let's see who people should be listening to.
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Agreed. It's not about the church. It's about if you believe in Him or not.
Uhh what's the answer to the question??? It'd be something I can annoy my friends at school about.
P4P3R T1G3R2
Mar 23 2005, 05:47 AM
Wow, people read the context of Jesus describing his church. It's anyone who accepted Jesus as there person Lord and Savior and actually meant it and repent themselves while changing there lives. That's what Jesus says when he's talking about his church. The church is the Body of Christ. Ephesians 1:22-23 says, "And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all." Here we can see that the church is the Body of Christ. This is made up of all believers from the time of Pentecost to the Rapture.
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 23 2005, 08:00 AM
I'll give out the answers DaKong, when Saucy answers because I know, in his infinate wisdom he does NOT know the answers to these questions.
P4P3R T1G3R2
Mar 23 2005, 08:40 AM
There's only one heaven. Paul mentions 3 heavons, the sky, space and actual heaven. There's only one heaven and there's no mention of more than one heaven.
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 23 2005, 10:19 AM
10. The 7th in split into 3 to make 10. Here is a hint. ALL Heavens (and the hells) are encompased within what is now termed 'sapce'. The sky/space are no different, the 'sky' is not a Heaven. You look up at Heaven, via the sky, at night when you see 'space', which has always been previously termed 'The Heavens'.
The 3rd Heaven, however, is the human Heaven, and on the other side of it, is the human hell. This is where Jesus showed the Disciples Paradise with the prophets. That is the 3rd Heaven.
Now, the answer 'space' for the located of the 10th Heaven is not sufficient, and not what I asked for in he first place. This is already a well known fact. I want the specific location. If you don't know (i.e. Saucy), I will happily tell you after you admit that you don't know.
whoa182
Mar 23 2005, 10:57 AM
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He will go out and decieve the nations from every corner of the Earth
I didnt know the earth had corners?
HAHA

BILLIONs AND BILLIONs AND BILLIONs........... of planets have some sort of activity on them, whether it be volcano's earthquakes, Winds of 5000mph etc...
No natural disaster is caused by a god or satan, Its called a disaster because it can affect humans and does. But the same things are happening all planets all over the universe that havnt got any life on it to be called a disaster.
When a few rocks hit jupiter no1 went, oh NO jupiter is going to get hit... Infact we couldnt wait for it to happen, it was good to see it because it shows how vunrable we are and a planet not far from us got hit - exactly what WILL happen to earth at some point. But if that rock was headed for us it suddenly turns into the devil throwing rocks at us? lol
Ashley-Star*Child
Mar 23 2005, 01:20 PM
No, activity on other planets is also covered an assigned to a certain group of angels. Wrong again.
Hoagy
Mar 23 2005, 02:04 PM
this is just getting ludicrous. Who cares who knows more than who? save it for PM-ing! Like I stated earlier, who here has the authority to say what is/is not? Lets face it, whatever point is put forward, there will be some answer that is given saying that it is gods will etc etc etc, its just a vicious circle. Tsunamis, earthquakes etc are natural disasters, end of story.
zandore
Mar 23 2005, 03:13 PM
QUOTE(Ashley-Star*Child Posted Today @ 05:19 AM )
10. The 7th in split into 3 to make 10.
Wrong!
Take 7 Heavens
Remove 1 will leave you 6 plus the 1 you will split to make 3
6+3=9
marduk
Mar 23 2005, 03:13 PM
QUOTE(P4P3R T1G3R2 @ Mar 23 2005, 06:47 AM)
Wow, people read the context of Jesus describing his church. It's anyone who accepted Jesus as there person Lord and Savior and actually meant it and repent themselves while changing there lives. That's what Jesus says when he's talking about his church. The church is the Body of Christ. Ephesians 1:22-23 says, "And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all." Here we can see that the church is the Body of Christ. This is made up of all believers from the time of Pentecost to the Rapture.
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sorry to correct you But jesus made no comment whasoever about his church in the bible
There is no Gospel according to jesus and when he died there ws no such thing as the christian church.
If jesus is accredited as saying anything about his church then he was talking about the synagogue
LoVer_Of_GoD
Mar 23 2005, 03:36 PM
for once, marduk, i agree with you, jesus said nothing of HIS church, he never mentioned a church under him, he just said that the only way to heaven was through him.. now, ashley, tell me in the bible where it states that there are 10 heavens, and zandore is correct, the way u put it there would be only 9... any way.. what does it matter who knows more or less... exactly it doesnt, all that matters is that u believe.
Hoagy
Mar 23 2005, 03:39 PM
YES! thanks LOG - I was beginning to feel on my own here!
Lottie
Mar 23 2005, 04:06 PM
It still amazes me how strong peoples beliefs are to the point of absurdity. Unfortunately human kind is not invinsible as these natural disasters demonstrate and if it makes one feel better by denying the truth and instead dipping one's head into a 'book' thats okay with me, its your right. (I am not aiming this at anyone). Hurricanes, earthquakes and the Tsunami are natural disasters that happen due to weather systems, shifts in the earths plates etc, all these things are proven. There is nothing mystical, no religious significance and no conspiracy in this in my humble opinion.
LoVer_Of_GoD
Mar 23 2005, 04:13 PM
thank you lottie for being so respectful... ur right... the disasters happen from shifts in plates, changes in currents, saturation of the air... what makes that happen? then what makes that which causes it to happen? if u look deep, look reallly thurough(sp), it is obvious there is some interference....
hyperactive
Mar 23 2005, 04:14 PM
QUOTE(Lottie @ Mar 23 2005, 08:06 AM)
It still amazes me how strong peoples beliefs are to the point of absurdity. Unfortunately human kind is not invinsible as these natural disasters demonstrate and if it makes one feel better by denying the truth and instead dipping one's head into a 'book' thats okay with me, its your right. (I am not aiming this at anyone). Hurricanes, earthquakes and the Tsunami are natural disasters that happen due to weather systems, shifts in the earths plates etc, all these things are proven. There is nothing mystical, no religious significance and no conspiracy in this in my humble opinion.
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the mystical is derived from the primative parts of the human mind.
The mind seeks to cast order, to ensure survival, etc. The higher level functions of the brain draw on the primative. Thus we have mystical descriptions of the otherwise mundane.
When man reaches full self awareness, then such constructs will fade away. (just as the fantasy creatures of childhood fade away)
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