So what if the greys are the ones that are creating discord between people and nations. (subliminally) In order to get emotions (agitated enough) to where they can take souls. As in aboveblack.com He states something about "migration of souls". Also how they want to be like us but cannot.

Why would they want our souls ?????
I've heard this being touted before but what would they do with them ?

Well, I would't believe any of this if I did't believe in the Bible. First, I believe that the Greys are beings that have achieved immortality by becoming angels of God. However, their current status is unknown. Perhaps they rebelled or maybe they are just doing what they do to fullfill prophecy. See, the Bible says that in the last days, frog like beings will make signs, and will decieve the kings of the world and the governments to make war against the return of Christ. How better then to present their transportation as identical to the chariots of God. The Greys are indeed fallen angels bent on turning creation against its creator.

Who or what is God, according to you ?

For something to specifically exist – it must have specific characteristics.

Can you define what a soul is by its characteristics without tautological error?

Until you do, these "greys" have nothing specific to gather up, because things have discernible, definite and non-contradictory natures.

Yeah....harvesting souls is not like harvesting peanuts....how do you define soul as a concept? Then you may ask that question...

Well being quarter Grey myself (on my Mom's side) I would have to go ahead and openly say that we dont eat souls. Not that we can't if we didnt want to but it's just that Satan and his minions controls the majority stake (51%) in the Human market. We don't want to have a turf war over the Humans now do we?

cadet do you claim to be a alien ?? if so is that a joke

Yes LOL complete sarcasim ...... or is it??

bah i dont belive ya

though I would have to disagree with the soul-snatching concept of "greys", I'd like to say, maybe meandering off topic though, that many aspects of religion and aliens (from outer space, not illegal immigrants) may go hand in hand. Perhaps "god" is just an intangible creature from Klingon...or New Jersey. But perhaps I'm rambling, so let me stop.

I was reported in the late 80's that one out of every 1000 people is a Space Alien. So girls, when a man says he Loves your mind, and not your body.

SPACE ALIEN FOR SURE!

Thats a good point Elijah. How else can you rationalize ancient people seeing "god" in the sky? How else would you depict a craft coming from the sky and a man like creature coming out of it? The ancient people had no concept of space travel, they couldnt even fly, so to them- it was a godly act or a miracle.

I am also amazed at how the ancient egyptians could have had electricity. As many of you may know, ancient markings were found in a pyramid in egypt with what looks like a primitive light bulb, while people stand around it. there is no possible way the egyptians could have stumbled upon electricity so early in human existance. So, would you agree that Alien influence had a hand in it?

Also, does anyone here believe we are, in fact ourselves bread from Alien genes? When man first existed, we had very primitive facial features; like a cave man-if you will, plus we were dumb and uncivilized. How do you explain us becoming so smart so fast? The only logic answer(even many experts believe this theory) is we had our human genes spliced with Alien genes. You may ask, but why? Well, many experts believe it to be because Aliens needed slaves, but we were to stupid, so they made us more in there image with gene munipulation...

First of all, religion teaches us of souls. Who says Greys believe in religion? And why would turmoil be bad for your soul? Dont you have to die before you soul is even available? This is the most ludacris reasoning ive ever heard of. Please do not humiliate the real scientists and ufologists trying to get a subject taken seriously with this junk. I gaurantee "souls" have nothing to do with anything related to Ufology...

But thats just my opinion, i could be wrong...

though I'd have to disagree with the theory of aliens influencing humans (in the regards you speak of anyways), I do think it feasible that alien beings would influence humans. Such as mitochondira; an organism that created a symbiotic relationship with humans; and which is a plausible factor to the reason that humans are a dominant factor. Aside from that, we SHOULD all know that NOTHING EVOLVES. You may not understand that, but they don't. They adapt. We adapt to whatever changes the environment presents us, evolving without adapting would be not only improbable, but pointless.

I ask a valid question Bio-Mage.

If, for these greys to harvest anything at all, the soul has to have certain characteristics so that it can be known. Otherwise, what are the greys gathering? How are they able to distinguish that they are in fact not gathering up peanuts, but souls indeed?

I see not one person has tried to define a soul on this board yet.

Why I wonder? If a soul is so pervasive and so readily known, why no forthcoming definition?

A soul is nothing more than electric synapses and algorythm's developed by your brain. The concept of a soul is moral ambiguity; a reason to keep people conformed and "good".

In other words, you believe the soul is non-existant?

- Dark

I agree. Occam's Razor points that a soul is not a supernatural force, but one of natural world consequences.

So pushing the first posts logic, the grey's are harvesting heads. Well, maybe not the whole head, the cebral cortex will do just fine.

wants your brains!

I can't say I don't believe in "souls" quiet so bluntly, because it is a bit more complicated than that. Aside from that, wouldn't the brains synapsis create electricity; wouldn't electricity be energy; perhaps these grays would use our minds for applicable energy.

Not soo, snuffypuffer and I are working on it right now!
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=36348

Okay lets work with this.

The greys want our brians for batteries?

Ask yourself this Elijah: After so many abduction stories, why are no abductees coming back with out their heads, or at the very least – brainless? Furthermore, if these e.t. can fly all the way out here, they certainly have enough energy of their own.

Nope.

This whole thread is ridiculous because a soul doesn't exist in the metaphysical sense that we want to think of it as, or that religion has dictated as such.

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Hey Irish, thanks for the link above. I'll check it out. I see you've taken the positive and therefore have the burden of proof.

Quicksand

One can only imagine the possibilities. Extraterrestrials are capable of living in the spirit, which means that they can switch bodies or even create new bodies of their own. Who's to say that they don't require a soul as such in a new body of their design.

They have the pick of the litter here on earth. Over 6 billion souls to chose from. Which one would you take if you had their technology.

We forget how old they are sometimes. Their technology is unfathomable. They probably own bodies like we own cars. It would take a lifetime to create a soul worth beans so yeah, it is a great possibility.

ET's motto is exactly as below - that is in respect to us that is as they laugh all the way back home.



discloseorlose

The nature of the gray or any other extraterrestrial is whatever they want us to see. It is nothing at all what we perceive based on what has been written. They are the tricksters of tricksters and cons of cons.

We base reality on experience from knowledge. The knowledge we have on the greys is only what they have given us. They want us to think one thing when it is very possible that it is something different completely.

Here's a way ET can steal a soul.
Drawing By Darryl Smith

discloseorlose

Well whose to say that we didn't evolve and then in time, the time of Adam and Eve for instance, extraterrestrials didn't have a hayday with mankind and create something a little more human since they probably already knew that we wouldn't make it either and possibly end up going the way of the Neanderthal eventually.

It's not like we didn't give them opportunity to do so and there have been plenty of abductee witnesses in respect to hybrids, which is just more of the same.



discloseorlose

And no, you don't have to be dead to remove the spirit, you only have to stop the heart for a short period and then restart it. They are also capable of that because we are too.

And, I'm afraid you are dead wrong in respect to "souls" not having anything to do with Ufology. If you just look at their concentration and on what it is they pursue, it's the contrary to your statement.

They are like pirates on the high seas.


discloseorlose

Well, this is a real wheelbarrow load. I sniffed, as I saw the direction this was going. A soul is yours. No one can take your soul. It's you. Your body dosn't love or feel sad. Remember, you are in charge of what happens to you. And your soul is one thing you will never get away from. crotchity ol debunker

This is a very profound statement on your part Disclosure.

May I respectfully ask how you came to this conclusion? If you do not wish to answer this question in a post send me a PM Please.

We don't know their true agenda do we? No. Then we'll never know what it is they want us to think or belive about them.

discloseorlose

No we certainly dont know their true agenda you are 100% correct. My observations Have lead me to believe that they are conducting a war to cover their arses and we are caught in the middle. I may be wrong but that is most certainly what it looks like to me. I recognize your expertise in these matters and consider you an absolute authority. So I am sure I do not have to tell you what I think that war is about.

Hi, Im not convinced that the Greys are harvesters at all, of any kind.....they have been mingling around us for many many centuries,...what if they were, and always have been the little nudge that we humans have needed through the millenniums,....who knows,...they may have felt sorry for us silly humans and came here to set the Pyramids for us,..anyone ever read Genesis Revisited? ....You know,.....they could be the "Original Ancients" as far as we know [attachmentid=13289]

You don't know how right you are Daisy. The history of man dictates that we as humans require intervention on this little planet of ours by physical means such as extraterrestrials. They have been here many times, and always had a specific agenda. Why else would they travel so far and risk their very selves to come to earth? It takes a lot of deep thought and much dwelling on the subject in order to find those answers, however, the answers do exist.

discloseorlose

Hi discloseorlose,
Yes, yes yes yes.......Daisy

Man, that sounds so cold .........Have you no heart!

So the greys only are allowing us to see what they want revealed about them?

Then why anything at all? Why allow us to perceive them anyway as this a transgression of all the sneaking around they are doing in the first place. Seems silly. If your greys really have that power to delude us like that, then they have the power to delude us all the way and in many other ways too.

Yet, your answer is wrong on another level as well. When you state that "they want us to think one thing when it is very possible that it is something different completely" you've just condemned yourself to self-refutation of your very existence discloseorlose. Accordingly, the greys could be feeding your mind fantasies 24/7 365 making you think that you are a human with all commensurate experiences henceforth. You have no way of stating that even my reply to you is real and that reality is nothing more than the niche dream in the brain of a grey. In short, you do not exist discloseorlose, because you have no way to establish what is truth or not, being so necessarily deceived.

Also, you are partially incorrect in stating that we "base reality on experience from knowledge." In fact, our knowledge is based upon on experience and what we can gather from the world around us by our senses. Existence precedes essence. You must exist first in order to subscribe to the various belief systems that we encounter in our finite existence.

Btw, that's nice trick that your grey is doing there. So, basically, if I look into your eyes and caress your face, I will have your soul (which still has not been defined for these greys to steal in the first place.)!

Cheers!

Where to put it now?

For the main topic, if "greys" exist, they can't harvest our souls. It's God's choice of what happens to our souls. (Of course, this is on my own beliefs, this is just my opinion, so don't bash me. )

As for the soul part of the topic. You can't physically see or feel or somehow observe a soul through scientifical means, because it's a spiritual entity. Science if very physical, (or mental), but not spiritual. (of course, that's considering what you would define science to be.. but I'm stating this as the normal perception of "science")

But I have something to bring up. If an alien species is coming here, and has been here for thousands of years... why are they still here? In order for aliens to get here, from such far distances, they would have to be highly advanced. Being so highly advanced, why would they observe us and test us for so long? It would be irrational and illogical. Since they would already have technology to travel great distances in short periods of time, wouldn't they have better testing technology as well? Why would they even need to take the time to abduct so many people... you'de think at the a thousand or so people would be enough for them to do enough testing. And even then, it would only take maybe the most 10 years (more likely less time). Even with our technology today, it takes less and less time to do things. These aliens would have to be hundreds or even thousands of times more advanced.(unless they just somehow magically stumbled upon a way to travel super quickly, but the rest of their technology sucks.. doubtful).

The only possible things I can think of, if an alien race was here, would be because they find something in us that nothing else has, that there machines can't figure it out (such as our souls). (Somewhere along those lines). Or, it's somehow a ritual for teenage aliens to come here and play pranks on humans.

I have other ideas on this subject (which I posted a new topic last night), but I won't go into that here.

The Greys are not after your soul . Unfortunatly for you I cant say the same thing about myself .

Return to reality you are sinking in your own quicksand.

ET fumbling around with earth - Drawing By Darryl Smith

discloseure

Nice! A little ad hominem instead of a proper rejoinder!

Also, I don't appreciate you truncating my quote. You removed it out of context.

In respect to quotes, they waste space and the whole quote was not needed since I didn't care to put together a long dissertation, which is what it would be simply because I left out the words "and by our senses".

And here, you simply did not understand my quote thoroughly because I didn't dwell on it.

"they want us to think one thing when it is very possible that it is something completely different"

As for the rest, I know my experiences whole heartedly. The only thing wrong here is something that will not be remedied, which is that they are my experiences and not that of yours, so therefore it is somewhat difficult to convey.

I don't necessarily believe in an eye for an eye, but you caught me off guard on a subject that I live and is not just an occasional, unpleasant part of my life, rather an all consuming part of my life.

Like I said earlier, that picture you posted WAS a picture of me as a child and it continues today 50 plus years later.

discloseorlose

discloseorlose,

About quotes. Other than bandwidth, reposting my whole quotes costs nothing. You changed the context of my quote making it seem like I was the delusional one, especially when you state to me: return to reality you are sinking in your own quicksand. That is dishonest and shows your lack of intellectual fortitude. I can not be more explicit than this about your intellectual dishonesty.

Moving on.

Your abduction experience is not due to aliens. I strongly suggest that if you wish to resolve this issue in your life, I would look to your family members. More often than not, they are responsible for molestation and sexual abuse. I am sorry that you have to go through this, but if you really wish to resolve these issue, blaming it on little grey men are not going to bring you resolution.

And if you were not abused, then your abduction experiences is a matter of a mind misreading and misfiring or your still failing to come to terms to it with ever has been happen to you 50 years ago.

If you have not ruled out naturalistic causes doesn't not make a supernatural or extranatural cause the obvious choice.

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Well, judging by his avatar (and what he said.) He is talking about the Christian God? Maybe? I dunno, just a shot in the dark.

The first time I had an episode of sleep paralysis, I was 19. I thought I was having a stroke because of the paralysis and intense head rush I was getting. I'm now 32 and very rarely do I have SP now. It happened a lot when I was in my early 20's because my sleep schedule was to random and scattered.

I would first like to state that I don't think I was abducted by aliens. I would also like to state that I'm normal and do not take any medication, although after some of you read this, you may think that medication is a good idea . But seriously, the most intense SP experience I had was back in the mid 1990's. I clearly saw a being standing in the corner of my room looking at me. I've had numerous episodes when I saw figures of mist floating around, but this one was the most clearest vision that I ever saw. The figure was gray skined with the solid black eyes, just like the stereotypical alien. He had long silver hair and was wearing a sparkling purple cloak that was squared off at the shoulders. It was a very vivid image.

I was talking with my brother about it several years later. He had the same experience in 2000 when he had sleep paraylysis. He saw the stereotypical alien standing over him. He was gray skined with the black eyes, but had no hair. My brother said the figure he saw was also wearing a purple sparkling cloak that was squared off at the shoulders. We both thought that was amazing.

The other night on the history channel ( I think it was the history channel), they were talking about people being abducted by aliens. The doctors said they were experiencing sleep paralysis. I have done a little research on the topic of SP and there are a lot of people that see the gray skined being with black eyes when they experience SP.

I don't believe I was abducted by aliens, but at the same time, I wonder if it was just a hallucination. I did pass it off as a hallucination until my brother saw the same type being five years later wearing the same cloak. How can so many people see the same creature? Who knows? It may just be a hallucination, but if for some weird reason it isn't, I don't believe it's aliens from outerspace. If it's not a hallucination, I think it's something from the sprirtual realm that we cannot normally see, but sometimes a person can pierce the veil when their brain is caught between being asleep and awake.

I've never heard of alien greys having long silver hair before..? How many times did you see this thing? just the once..? Its strange how your bro saw the same thing years later..? Was there communication between you and the entity..?

I don't know if you ever had sleep paralysis before, but that is when I saw him. I was clearly looking at him for about 20 seconds before I snapped out of it and woke up. He was standing about 10 feet from my bed just starring at me. He was slender built. He was about 5 1/2 ft tall. He wasn't standing on the ground. He was standing up, but was floating about 2 ft off the ground. He looked just like the pics you see of the greys. He had the gray skin with the black eyes. He did have long silver hair. He didn't talk to me but for some reason I knew he was a male. I know a lot of pics you see of the greys, they are bare chested but this one was wearing a sparkling purple cloak. I believe the grey my brother saw was not the same one that I saw. The one he saw was bald, but was wearing the same type of cloak. My brother was laying down on the bed and said the grey was standing right beside him with his hands hovering over him(my brother).

That is actually a very good theory.....

I need to rest then read it again.

It would explain some of the feelings associated with abductions...

Is that supposed to be a sarcasm also?

I think it's an attempt at humor.

yeah, I think he is joking around and walken, what theory?

Media has doomed the state of the U.F.O.

DAMN MOVIES!