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playfaan
take the quiz

i got Paganism.

Your beliefs are most closely aligned with those of paganism, Wicca, or a similar earth-based religion. You may also follow a Native American religion.

Paganism - 92%
Satanism - 67%
Buddhism - 63%
Christianity - 58%
Islam - 54%
Hinduism - 50%
agnosticism - 50%
Judaism - 42%
atheism - 25%

i like my result yes.gif
SilverCougar
Paganism. ;P
theoric
You scored as Paganism.



Your beliefs are most closely aligned with those of paganism, Wicca, or a similar earth-based religion. You may also follow a Native American religion.

Satanism

100%
Paganism

100%
atheism

92%
agnosticism

79%
Buddhism

79%
Judaism

50%
Islam

46%
Christianity

25%
Hinduism

25%

Super Pancake
You scored as Buddhism

Satanism 67%
Buddhism 67%
Paganism 54%
Hinduism 54%
atheism 38%
agnosticism 38%
Christianity 25%
Islam 25%
Judaism 25%

laugh.gif I do follow buddha ideals.

But anyways, I'm more into my own spiritual beliefs. I can't quite find a name for it.
marduk
Your beliefs most closely resemble those of Buddhism. Do more research on Buddhism and possibly consider becoming Buddhist, if you are not already. In Buddhism, there are Four Noble Truths: (1) Life is suffering. (2) All suffering is caused by ignorance of the nature of reality and the craving, attachment, and grasping that result from such ignorance. (3) Suffering can be ended by overcoming ignorance and attachment. (4) The path to the suppression of suffering is the Noble Eightfold Path, which consists of right views, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right-mindedness, and right contemplation. These eight are usually divided into three categories that base the Buddhist faith: morality, wisdom, and samadhi, or concentration. In Buddhism, there is no hierarchy, nor caste system; the Buddha taught that one's spiritual worth is not based on birth.

Buddhism

100%
Hinduism

67%
Paganism

63%
Islam

50%
Satanism

46%
Judaism

33%
Christianity

25%
agnosticism

25%
atheism

8%

I kind of agree with what it is saying but think that there should be more extensive answers than just pinning someone to the major religions
Hinduism is a form of pantheism and i feel much more aligned to that than any other.
I am and ALWAYS have been a pantheist
I ALWAYS will be
unfortunately this test doesn't seem to include pantheism as a belief which is strange because it was the faith of everyone on earth at one point
I'm quite glad it didn't call me a pagan though
Thats purely christian terminology.
Ce la vie
50 % satanism. hehehe sure i'd go with that seeing as my deity was the original great god who was demonised into being satan(the adversary) by the jews during their exile in babylon, though of course I acknowledge that satan as he is commonly portrayed doesn't actually exist.
I hear Bel Marduk laughing at that one
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Not exactly what I expected.

You scored as agnosticism.

You are an agnostic. Though it is generally taken that agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve in God, it is possible to be a theist or atheist in addition to an agnostic. Agnostics don't believe it is possible to prove the existence of God (nor lack thereof). Agnosticism is a philosophy that God's existence cannot be proven. Some say it is possible to be agnostic and follow a religion; however, one cannot be a devout believer if he or she does not truly believe.

Paganism 63%

Agnosticism 63%

Islam 63%

Buddhism 58%

Satanism 50%

Hinduism 46%

Judaism 42%

Atheism 38%

Christianity 17%
zandore
You scored as atheism.



You are... an atheist, though you probably already knew this. Also, you probably have several people praying daily for your soul. Instead of simply being "nonreligious," atheists strongly believe in the lack of existence of a higher being, or God.


atheism- 100%
Islam- 75%
Buddhism- 71%
Satanism- 71%
Paganism- 67%
agnosticism- 67%
Judaism- 46%
Christianity- 25%
Hinduism- 4%
hmm.gif Seems more accurate than the other quiz.
BurnSide
Who would have guessed.......





You scored as atheism.



You are... an atheist, though you probably already knew this. Also, you probably have several people praying daily for your soul. Instead of simply being "nonreligious," atheists strongly believe in the lack of existence of a higher being, or God.

atheism
100%

Paganism
63%

Satanism
63%

Islam
58%

agnosticism
50%

Judaism
46%

Buddhism
38%

Christianity
29%

Hinduism
25%

SilverCougar
Not me!
zandore
QUOTE(SilverCougar Posted Today @ 01:30 PM )
Not me!
Why not?
Scardy Cat tongue.gif
SilverCougar
Pssst, Zan.. scroll up I'm like.. the first post ;p

that Not me was for Burnsy's question. ;P

NO PEEPS FOR YOU!
zandore
OOP'S blush.gif
BurnSide
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zandore
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Pyxis
I got agnosticism.
LordBailey
Islam for me....hehe

I don't like to gather my beliefs and name them. I just call it, "I believe in God", and that's it. No stories. No mystery. No fighting. Just "God".

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Turtle
Buddhism

88%
Hinduism

75%
Islam

71%
Satanism

67%
Paganism

63%
Judaism

58%
Christianity

54%
atheism

38%
agnosticism

25%


OOOmmmmmm.......
Quicksand
Well I come up as atheist. Yeah!

QUOTE
You are... an atheist, though you probably already knew this. Also, you probably have several people praying daily for your soul. Instead of simply being "nonreligious," atheists strongly believe in the lack of existence of a higher being, or God.

atheism ...71%

Satanism...63%

agnosticism...63%
(Note: Agnosticism is not a theological. Agnosticism posits that it may never be possible to know god. It's really more of a position on what is knowable, that is, a statement regarding knowable propositions.)

Buddhism...58% (Note: Buddhists are not necessarily theists.)

Islam... 33% (WTF?!?!?!?)

Paganism...33%

Judaism...17%

Christianity...13% (Note: Big surprise! LMAO!)

Hinduism...13%


What? No category for Deisism?

Also, the definition of atheism is sightly wrong. Atheists do not do assert a belief in god. It's not that we lack belief, but that belief therefore is unsubstantiated due to its internal and inherent logical flaws that a proposition like god (or the supernatural) requires. Now Christians for example have a lack of belief in Allah, or Zeus, Mithras and vise-versa.

However, I did have some problems with this questions as they rely on certain assumptions that are not necessarily true and some of the questions were rather black and white ignoring other dynamics than the dichotomy that they represent. That bothered me as I went through this.

And the biggest thing that got me about this quiz, is that atheism is not a religion!

Oh well.
Loge
Atheous!

A = without

Theous = God

Present science is based on the five physical senses. God cannot be experienced with the five senses. One can experience GOD only through the Inner Senses of the consciousness.

Religious Believers base their beliefs on books they read or sermons they hear and cannot prove the existence of God with their five sense either. One can experience GOD only through the Inner Senses of the consciousness

Only the one who experience God with their Inner Senses sensed God and knows God.

Since God is not sensed by any scientist or religious believer, no scientist and religious believer is with God or knows God; thus all of them are Atheous!

Therefore since both scientists and religious believers are Atheous, none of them could be atheistic. happy.gif
Shivel
You scored as Buddhism.



Your beliefs most closely resemble those of Buddhism. Do more research on Buddhism and possibly consider becoming Buddhist, if you are not already. In Buddhism, there are Four Noble Truths: (1) Life is suffering. (2) All suffering is caused by ignorance of the nature of reality and the craving, attachment, and grasping that result from such ignorance. (3) Suffering can be ended by overcoming ignorance and attachment. (4) The path to the suppression of suffering is the Noble Eightfold Path, which consists of right views, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right-mindedness, and right contemplation. These eight are usually divided into three categories that base the Buddhist faith: morality, wisdom, and samadhi, or concentration. In Buddhism, there is no hierarchy, nor caste system; the Buddha taught that one's spiritual worth is not based on birth.

Boy, I sure wasnt expecting this. laugh.gif user posted image
stillcrazy
The test called me names and said I should not take test I don't understand.


A: It considers faith as religion. Incorrect assumption.

B: As mentioned earlier, no mention of native faiths (I.E. Native Americans.)

There are thousands of belief systems throughout the world including such things as aliens. This test tries to put things into a neat little hole, therefor making it invalid.
The Raven
Buddhism
96%

Paganism
88%

agnosticism
58%

Judaism
50%

Satanism
50%

Islam
42%

Hinduism
29%

Christianity
25%

atheism
25%
Quicksand
QUOTE(Loge @ Mar 23 2005, 03:58 PM)
Atheous!

A = without 

Theous = God

Present science is based on the five physical senses. God cannot be experienced with the five senses. One can experience GOD only through the Inner Senses of the consciousness.

Religious Believers base their beliefs on books they read or sermons they hear and cannot prove the existence of God with their five sense either.  One can experience GOD only through the Inner Senses of the consciousness

Only the one who experience God with their Inner Senses sensed God and knows God. 

Since God is not sensed by any scientist or religious believer, no scientist and religious believer is with God or knows God; thus all of them are Atheous!

Therefore since both scientists and religious believers are Atheous, none of them could be atheistic.  happy.gif
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There are some problems with your statements above. I will highlight them below.

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Present science is based on the five physical senses. God cannot be experienced with the five senses. One can experience GOD only through the Inner Senses of the consciousness.

i.e. subjective experience in other words which is not testable or falsifiable or the validity can be shown.

QUOTE
Religious Believers base their beliefs on books they read or sermons they hear and cannot prove the existence of God with their five sense either. One can experience GOD only through the Inner Senses of the consciousness

Interesting, one may conclude that all people are born atheist from your statement, since religion must be in all cases taught. Which is always the case.

Also, your consciousness is not a sense. It does not touch, it does not feel, it does not smell, it does nothing. In fact, your brain, where your consciousness is housed, has no nerves whatsoever.

All your sensing is yourself, and your beliefs, which are what they are, beliefs.

Now if you want to say that your consciousness is sending out a signal to God and back in forth, this is something we should be able to find. However, we have not.

QUOTE
Only the one who experience God with their Inner Senses sensed God and knows God.

i.e. subjective experience in other words which is not testable or falsifiable or the validity can be shown.

QUOTE
Since God is not sensed by any scientist or religious believer, no scientist and religious believer is with God or knows God; thus all of them are Atheous!

And what about the scientist who believes in God? Your dichotomy is false because it drops them out.

QUOTE
Therefore since both scientists and religious believers are Atheous, none of them could be atheistic.

Your conclusion commits the fallacy of four terms.
Basically you applying the word atheist to mean more than what it means. Atheism is no theistic belief. Period. You've end around it and said that it does. Which is really no more than the Affirmation of the consequent.

"If A then B, therefore if B then A."

A = A. A ≠ B. B ≠ A. Law of Identity, which is a presuppostion of logic.

(Also, I realize its something of a Buddist quon, a puzzle like the paradox of Nirvanna.)
GIDEON MAGE
i got:


Buddhism

92%
Islam

83%
Hinduism

83%
agnosticism

83%
Judaism

67%
Satanism

67%
Paganism

67%
atheism

67%
Christianity

33%
interesting quiz
Turtle
QUOTE(stillcrazy @ Mar 23 2005, 05:33 PM)
The test called me names and said I should not take test I don't understand.


A: It considers faith as  religion. Incorrect assumption.

B: As mentioned earlier, no mention of native faiths (I.E. Native Americans.)

There are thousands of belief systems throughout the world including such things as aliens. This test tries to put things into a neat little hole, therefor making it invalid.
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Stillcrazy.
I am incessed as you that they left out Native spirituality as well thumbsup.gif
But this should be taken in the regard of fun....not truth.
Lighten up, would ya tongue.gif
P4P3R T1G3R2
I like my results... haha I got 17% satanism. devil.gif I'm scarred. sad.gif

You scored as Christianity.



Your views are most similar to those of Christianity. Do more research on Christianity and possibly consider being baptized and accepting Jesus, if you aren't already Christian. Christianity is the second of the Abrahamic faiths; it follows Judaism and is followed by Islam. It differs in its belief of Jesus, as not a prophet nor historical figure, but as God in human form. The Holy Trinity is the concept that God takes three forms: the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost (sometimes called Holy Spirit). Jesus taught the idea of instead of seeking revenge, one should love his or her neighbors and enemies. Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross to save humankind and forgive people's sins.

Christianity

100%
Islam

67%
Judaism

67%
Buddhism

50%
Hinduism

17%
agnosticism

17%
Satanism

13%
Paganism

0%
atheism

0%

Loge
QUOTE(Quicksand @ Mar 23 2005, 05:09 PM)
There are some problems with your statements. I will highlight them below.
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Everything that I stated is based on my Inner Senses and I (the consciousness) experienced it.

You understood my statements with your sensorial mind (five senses) based on the fact that you believe or think that you are the physical body.

On the other hand, I (the consciousness) know that I have a physical body in order to communicate what I know and experience while inside or outside of it. I (the consciousness) am neither the physical body nor the mind; and I can exist without any of them. That I know because I am constantly experiencing it, every day!

Thus, what I know, I know by direct experience and not by theory. mellow.gif

P4P3R T1G3R2
Quicksand,

Allah means God in Arabic. rolleyes.gif
Darkwind
SURPRISE, SURPRISE, I am Pagan. Who would have thought. laugh.gif


You scored as Paganism.
Your beliefs are most closely aligned with those of paganism, Wicca, or a similar earth-based religion. You may also follow a Native American religion.
Buddhism

83%

Paganism

83%

Hinduism

79%

Satanism

67%

Islam

50%

agnosticism

50%

Judaism

46%

atheism

38%

Christianity

25%
Quicksand
QUOTE(P4P3R T1G3R2 @ Mar 23 2005, 07:08 PM)
Quicksand,

Allah means God in Arabic. rolleyes.gif
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Okay.... Allah means "the God, or "the deity."

QUOTE
Many linguists believe that the term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic words al (the) + ilah (male deity). In addition, one of the main pagan goddesses of pre-Islamic Arabia, Allāt (al + ilāh + at, or 'the female deity'), is cited as being etymologically (though not synchronically) the feminine linguistic counterpart to the grammatically masculine Allah. If so, the word Allāh is an abbreviated title, meaning 'the deity', rather than a name. For this reason, both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars often translate Allāh directly into English as 'God'; however, some Muslim scholars feel that "Allāh" should not be translated, because it expresses the uniqueness of God more accurately than "God", which can take a plural "Gods", whereas "Allāh" has no plural. This is a significant issue in translation of the Qur'an. This also explains why Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians freely refer to God as Allāh.


So "the One" is still an accurate description thereof.
Frogs
I got agnostic as well...

agnosticism 75%
Buddhism 71%
Paganism 71%
Islam 67%
Hinduism 58%
Christianity 50%
Satanism 50%
Judaism 33%
atheism 21%
LoVer_Of_GoD
Christianity

100%
Islam

50%
Judaism

46%
Buddhism

46%
Hinduism

29%
agnosticism

21%
Satanism

13%
Paganism

8%
atheism

8%

go figure
Quicksand
QUOTE(Loge @ Mar 23 2005, 07:04 PM)
QUOTE(Quicksand @ Mar 23 2005, 05:09 PM)
There are some problems with your statements. I will highlight them below.
blink.gif

Everything that I stated is based on my Inner Senses and I (the consciousness) experienced it.

You understood my statements with your sensorial mind (five senses) based on the fact that you believe or think that you are the physical body.

On the other hand, I (the consciousness) know that I have a physical body in order to communicate what I know and experience while inside or outside of it. I (the consciousness) am neither the physical body nor the mind; and I can exist without any of them. That I know because I am constantly experiencing it, every day!

Thus, what I know, I know by direct experience and not by theory. mellow.gif
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Then why a physical body Loge? Why? It seems to me that a physical body is superfluous at this point. If all I can understand this world is by my, as you put it, sensorial mind then all information about the world around us is gathered by the five senses. (Of course you realize that there are more than the five phyiscal senses we typically cite– do you not?) That being the case, you are only, and let me be explicit about this, you are only sensing the world around you and not some supernatural dimension.

Even your own statements betray this when you state that you are "constantly experiencing it, every day." Sensing what? The world that your sensorial mind is attuned too. The artifact = is the supposition that your consciousness is floating somewhere in the supernatural ether: ...is based on my Inner Senses. Again, subjective and not a testable hypothesis.

Lets go back to why a physical body is superfluous at this point. If your consciousness does in fact reside outside the brain, then why do we have evidence that when we think that our brains re-act in the various different centers that are associated with cognition? Why?

You've got a mountain of evidence to debunk that says otherwise.
Loge
QUOTE
Then why a physical body Loge?


Because my consciousness needs to be aware of this tridimensional world also! blink.gif

QUOTE
Why? It seems to me that a physical body is superfluous at this point.


Because you are trying to investigate the solar system with a microscope instead of a telescope! blink.gif

QUOTE
If all I can understand this world is by my, as you put it, sensorial mind then all information about the world around us is gathered by the five senses. (Of course you realize that there are more than the five phyiscal senses we typically cite– do you not?) That being the case, you are only, and let me be explicit about this, you are only sensing the world around you and not some supernatural dimension.


The five senses only perceive the physical world; yet the Inner Senses perceive the supernatural (existence outside and above the physical world) or parallel universes. dontgetit.gif

QUOTE
Even your own statements betray this when you state that you are "constantly experiencing it, every day." Sensing what? The world that your sensorial mind is attuned too.


The nose of my sensual mind cannot smell such a perfume; it is just a subjective and not a testable hypothesis for it. However, my consciousness smells it! And this is because it has the right nose for it. yes.gif

QUOTE
Lets go back to why a physical body is superfluous at this point. If your consciousness does in fact reside outside the brain, then why do we have evidence that when we think that our brains re-act in the various different centers that are associated with cognition? Why?


Your brain is a violin but is not the music, and it is not the fiddler on the roof of your head either! happy.gif

What you need is a ladder in order to meet the fiddler on the roof! tongue.gif
Quicksand
(quote=loge)
QUOTE
The nose of my sensual mind cannot smell such a perfume; it is just a subjective and not a testable hypothesis for it. However, my consciousness smells it! And this is because it has the right nose for it.

And that's the whole gist. A subjective experience is just that, in your mind and not verifiable through objective means.

Thus, if I were to tell you that I within my mind a Magic Leprechaun with Black Hair and a backwards baseball cap while riding a unicorn demands that I drink 5 Guinness's everyday, you are under full obligation to believe me. Why? Because you do not have a level of skepticism which would allow you to test and determine that statement is true or false. My evidence is that I experience it. That is enough for you. Meaning all things "supernatural" are real to you and have no liability for truth and that they are in fact real.
Loge
QUOTE(Quicksand @ Mar 24 2005, 04:08 PM)
 
(quote=loge) 
QUOTE
The nose of my sensual mind cannot smell such a perfume; it is just a subjective and not a testable hypothesis for it. However, my consciousness smells it! And this is because it has the right nose for it.

And that's the whole gist. A subjective experience is just that, in your mind and not verifiable through objective means.

Thus, if I were to tell you that I within my mind a Magic Leprechaun with Black Hair and a backwards baseball cap while riding a unicorn demands that I drink 5 Guinness's everyday, you are under full obligation to believe me. Why? Because you do not have a level of skepticism which would allow you to test and determine that statement is true or false. My evidence is that I experience it. That is enough for you. Meaning all things "supernatural" are real to you and have no liability for truth and that they are in fact real.
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If I answered it is because you asked! but if you do not believe me, that my friend, is one of the eighteen thousand things that, indeed, I do not care! w00t.gif

However, toast to me when you drink those 5 Guinness's everyday, maybe I will feel the taste of them!

I like Guinness! blush.gif
Quicksand
QUOTE(Loge @ Mar 24 2005, 04:20 PM)
QUOTE(Quicksand @ Mar 24 2005, 04:08 PM)
 
(quote=loge) 
QUOTE
The nose of my sensual mind cannot smell such a perfume; it is just a subjective and not a testable hypothesis for it. However, my consciousness smells it! And this is because it has the right nose for it.

And that's the whole gist. A subjective experience is just that, in your mind and not verifiable through objective means.

Thus, if I were to tell you that I within my mind a Magic Leprechaun with Black Hair and a backwards baseball cap while riding a unicorn demands that I drink 5 Guinness's everyday, you are under full obligation to believe me. Why? Because you do not have a level of skepticism which would allow you to test and determine that statement is true or false. My evidence is that I experience it. That is enough for you. Meaning all things "supernatural" are real to you and have no liability for truth and that they are in fact real.
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If I answered it is because you asked! but if you do not believe me, that my friend, is one of the eighteen thousand things that, indeed, I do not care! w00t.gif

However, toast to me when you drink those 5 Guinness's everyday, maybe I will feel the taste of them!

I like Guinness! blush.gif
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Oh my. Listen Loge, I am just using your reasoning.

But I tell you it's true – a Magic Leprechaun with Black Hair and a backwards baseball cap while riding a unicorn does demand that I drink 5 Guinness's everyday.

It doesn't matter whether you answer me or not. You have to believe it.

Or, are you' right to sway away from just believing what I say on blind faith alone?
QueenoftheNight
Your beliefs are most closely aligned with those of paganism, Wicca, or a similar earth-based religion. You may also follow a Native American religion. innocent.gif
Lostchild1962
You scored as agnosticism.



You are an agnostic. Though it is generally taken that agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve in God, it is possible to be a theist or atheist in addition to an agnostic. Agnostics don't believe it is possible to prove the existence of God (nor lack thereof). Agnosticism is a philosophy that God's existence cannot be proven. Some say it is possible to be agnostic and follow a religion; however, one cannot be a devout believer if he or she does not truly believe.

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Lost_In_Thought
Paganism.



Your beliefs are most closely aligned with those of paganism, Wicca, or a similar earth-based religion. You may also follow a Native American religion.

Paganism

92%
Islam

75%
Buddhism

71%
Satanism

63%
Hinduism

58%
agnosticism

50%
Judaism

33%
Christianity

25%
atheism

17%

the master theologian
Religion is bad for you.
WHY?
Because religion will not offer you the meaning of life.
WHY?
Becaue only the truth can do that.
HOW SO?
Because all religions have a false view on truth.
SilverCougar
Aaaand.. this has what to do with this quizz?

It's just a cute little thing... like that "Why type of christian are you" one.

Blankman12
Buddhism
92%
Hinduism
75%
Islam
71%
Paganism
67%
agnosticism
63%
Christianity
50%
atheism
50%
Satanism
42%
Judaism
42%


That's pretty neat. I wonder how accurate they are. I was stunned to see my beliefs so inline with Buddism when I've only read one little book. Funny though how I have just as much in common with Christianity as I do with atheism , how does that work? huh.gif
zandore
QUOTE(Norman @ Mar 25 2005, 12:25 AM)
Religion is bad for you.
WHY?
Because religion will not offer you the meaning of life.
WHY?
Becaue only the truth can do that.
HOW SO?
Because all religions have a false view on truth.
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Well said Norman thumbsup.gif
It shocked me that you would said this.
QUOTE(Norman Posted Today @ 12:25 AM )
Because all religions have a false view on truth
Metalix Knightmare
You scored as Buddhism.

Your beliefs most closely resemble those of Buddhism. Do more research on Buddhism and possibly consider becoming Buddhist, if you are not already. In Buddhism, there are Four Noble Truths: (1) Life is suffering. (2) All suffering is caused by ignorance of the nature of reality and the craving, attachment, and grasping that result from such ignorance. (3) Suffering can be ended by overcoming ignorance and attachment. (4) The path to the suppression of suffering is the Noble Eightfold Path, which consists of right views, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right-mindedness, and right contemplation. These eight are usually divided into three categories that base the Buddhist faith: morality, wisdom, and samadhi, or concentration. In Buddhism, there is no hierarchy, nor caste system; the Buddha taught that one's spiritual worth is not based on birth.


I was expecting Athiest.
Redneck
What, the Cult of Cthulhu isn't included? I'm being discriminated against here.
jessicalawes11
Christianity

71%
Buddhism

58%
Islam

54%
Judaism

54%
Hinduism

54%
Paganism

46%
agnosticism

29%
Satanism

25%
atheism

0%


Glad I got Christianity, being a Christian myself! grin2.gif
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