Jesus is God.  "I am" he said, when asked "before Abraham." Since you've now split Jesus away from the divinity of the Father and have removed and divorced His heavenly power as the one God.

Oh uh, I see you didn't realize this did you? Now, I suppose I should get thumb screws and matches for your above heresy.


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lol
that wasn't the point of my post and you know it
btw you do realise that claiming the father the son and the holy ghost as aspects of one God wasn't a christian Idea don't you


n.b. (hehe) i think you'll find that holding an auto da fe is illegal unless it has been authorised by the pope
In other words you suggesting the idea is more likely to make you a recipient of one than me
I am after all standing up for the Christian God here
Although he's never backed me on anything

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He doesn't kill thousands of innocent people to reassure your faith in him
He doesn't kill thousands of innocent people at all

But that is, in fact, what you said. You divorced Jesus from his divinity as God.

Jesus is responsible for the Tsunami.

Enjoy.

I will contact the Pope and the Grand Inquistor for you, Marduke.
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????
The entire population of the earth at the time of Noah, except for eight survivors, in a flood.Gen 7:23

Every inhabitant of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the surrounding plain, by "brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven." Gen 19:24 Lot and his family fled. [What about little innocent children in the city and around on the surrounding plain.]

All the first born of every family in Egypt, including children of those in dungeons and the successor to the throne of Egypt's Pharaoh, by God on the first Passover night. Ex 12:29 [Of those that are in prison and the first born of the cattle??????]

Victims who perish in the conquest of seven nations in Canaan by the Jews under Gods guidance so that the Jews can occupy their lands as God had promised Abraham in Deut 7:1,2. The Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites were all destroyed, every man, woman and child and mercy was shown to none.

3,000 Israelites die at the hands of their brothers, the Levites, every man, their brothers and their companions. Ex. 32:27 [These were the orders of God who would brook no disloyalty, a self styled "jealous" God.]

I have many more if want them.
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Theres gonna be a load of journalists in heaven aren't there

Hmm you could be in trouble on that one
what if it turns out that I am the grand Inquisitor on the look out for heretics like you
Call me Marduk de Torquamada if you like
I am quite experienced in the field
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Of which I have no doubt. If you do anything for God, defending his faith, it is Good is it not?

Fortunately for me, my tools are reason and not thumb screws or matches.
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Don't kid yourself Marduk, you are a fundie.

You threaten Hell at every chance you can.

Loving Christians.... go figure?
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I find it difficult defending something that in my opinion doesn't exist
I must be a hell of a twisted philosopher huh
lol
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I gotta be missing something here. Damn multitasking....

oh uh (peeling egg from face) sarcasm...

damn I've been debating fundies so long...
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you poor man. You must be exhausted
at the end of the day you must realise the pointlessness of debating with fundies
They do a better job of contradicting themselves than anyone else could possibly hope for
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Of which I have no doubt. If you do anything for God, defending his faith, it is Good is it not?

Fortunately for me, my tools are reason and not thumb screws or matches.
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How can reason be listed as a tool when you say outright the tsunami is the work of jesus?
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I think you'll find that Quicksand isn't one of those claiming that the tsunami was the work of jesus
It'd be a bit unusual for an atheist to make such claim don't you think
Just for the record I'm not claiming it was divinely inspired either
I'm not an atheist
Just a heretic in the eyes of god apparently
Not that he's actually made that statement himself
Allegedly
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To experience God is not difficult; but you must know that God dislikes speculation. And your mind always speculates and never experiences the Absolute. Thus your mind is not within the Absolute.

Do you understand this or not?

Only the one, whose mind is within the Absolute, can understand about the existence of God.

Do you know that? 

If your mind is not within the Absolute, how is it that you speculate about God as if your mind absolutely knows God?

And if you think that the Absolute is no God, it is because your mind is not Absolute!
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Loge, you've just made an absolute statement and that humans minds are not absolute.

That being the case, your statement is false because you are not Absolute yourself!

Well, unless you are a GOD yourself?

   
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Quick what Loge is saying is because we do not believe in god we can not see the "Absolute".   
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Loge confuses me...
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Wrong! I am saying that even if your mind believe in God your mind cannot understand the "Absolute".

Yes I have just made an absolute statement that you do not get it because your mind is not human (hum-manas) in order to seize a concept about the absolute.

That being the case, my statement is not false. It is just a statement that you do not get it.

This is proof that your mind cannot understand the Absolute, but only the dissolute!

And this is because you are not a GOD yourself!

Only God can understand God!

That is all!
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I don't believe that god likes it either that us humans blame him for every little wrong in our lifes. I believe god has nothing to do with our lifes at all. He created living things... or should I say caused living things to be created... and that's it. He created the earth also, but he left it up to us, and the earth to take care of ourselfs. I believe he can only influence the world around us, not directly... but only slight things.
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What is "Absolute" and can you understand it?
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I don't believe that god likes it either that us humans blame him for every little wrong in our lifes. I believe god has nothing to do with our lifes at all. He created living things... or should I say caused living things to be created... and that's it. He created the earth also, but he left it up to us, and the earth to take care of ourselfs. I believe he can only influence the world around us, not directly... but only slight things.
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The Absolute is life free in its motion

In some cases Loge, we are stating the same things, except you're still grafting  the supernatural upon it.
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But if God places restrictions on us then it is not "Absolute".
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Rather though! we are stating the same things, with the only difference that I am experiencing not speculating about the supernatural.

Human is the one whose abstract mind understands the Spirit!
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First of all Loge, you need to define spirit and actually prove that such a thing does in fact exist, divorced from a physical reality. If a spirit is a specific thing it will have specific qualities for which we know it by. Otherwise, how will we know it so? If you can not define spirit by its qualities and characteristics that are separate and distinct from which we exhibit in ourselves, you can not make the claim that a spirit exists. For instance, both cats and dogs both have four legs, two ears, fur, and tails, but a cat is not a dog. We can compare the difference between of the tracks made by each other for instance to demarcate between them. One is a dog and one is a cat. We do not call a cat a dog, and visa-versa. This is called the law of Identity and the law of non-contradiction – presuppositions of logic.

You say that you experiencing the supernatural. However, how are we able to verify that your experience is not just a subjective artifact of your mind, but a physical and testable manifestation of reality? Can you provide a way? No you can not, and this is why you are speculating and must prove it so otherwise.


With this, yet again, another red herring aside – back to my original post.

You've stated an absolute which as human you can not do. Unless you want to state that you are an absolute being that exists in all possible worlds and a necessary being to boot!

I'll wait.
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On the bottom of the ocean, a flying fish who call his flying experience OBE, told a skeptical fish that he can go beyond the ocean and fly within another world. The flying fish said that other creatures live in that space but instead of swimming they were flying just like him.

The skeptical fish answer the flying fish the following:

First of all flying fish, you need to define what is a flying creature and actually prove that such a thing does in fact exist, divorced from a our water reality. If a flying creature is a specific thing it will have specific qualities for which we, the fish, know it by. Otherwise, how will we know it so? If you can not define a flying creature by its qualities and characteristics that are separate and distinct from which we exhibit in ourselves, the fish, you can not make the claim that a flying creature exists. For instance, both sharks and sword fish both have gills, eyes, scales, and tails, but a shark is not a sword fish. We can compare the difference between of the tracks made by each other for instance to distinguish between a shark and an octopus. One is a shark and one is a octopus. We do not call a shark an octopus, and visa-versa. This is called the law of Identity and the law of non-contradiction – presuppositions of logic.

You say that you are experiencing the flying experience called OBE. However, how are we able to verify that your experience is not just a subjective artifact of your mind, but a physical and testable manifestation of reality? Can you provide a way? No you cannot, and this is why you are speculating and must prove it so otherwise.

Thus the flying fish left the skeptical fish at the bottom of the ocean and went up into the surface of the ocean and happily had another OBE.
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I get your analogy here. Except that the sky and the water are both confined by the natural world. Your analogy fails. Sorry.

And that's the problem with metaphysics, it has no grounds to be tested upon. To paraphrase Carl Sagan, metaphysics does not have a laboratory, but physics does.

Analogies are not evidence, neither are arguments made by a gap in knowledge.
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YOU do not have a laboratory for metaphysics, but Loge does!

And that's the problem with intellectual creatures, their Inner Senses are nor developed to be able to use it.

If by any chance Carl Sagan would have the opportunity to exist in the parallel universe of the fifth dimension, he then would feel as a fish out of the water and his first question would not be "What is the matter" but "Where is the water"!
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