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do you think it is a sin to smoke cigarettes,drink beer, or smoke pot...etc...?
I don't think there is such thing as sin... only rules and morals
I'll just say smoking is horrible for you but a little beer is actually good for you.
QUOTE(QueenoftheNight @ Mar 24 2005, 09:15 PM)
I don't think there is such thing as sin... only rules and morals
well I have a friend who told me that in the bible it says to show the appearence of evil is a sin. But I don't think it is a sin to drink and smoke as long as you don't allow it to hinder your relationship with God.
QUOTE(pisces1963 @ Mar 24 2005, 09:17 PM)
I'll just say smoking is horrible for you but a little beer is actually good for you.
Yeah I agree my friend is diabetic and when she drinks a beer her sugar level is much better than usual.
Red wine is also good for the body. But not a whole bottle a glass or two maybe.
Well religion teaches that anything you enjoy is a sin. 
But sin is a man made concept, in the end, it's down to you, and what you have lived believing.
But sin is a man made concept, in the end, it's down to you, and what you have lived believing.
Exactly Burnside 
QUOTE(BurnSide @ Mar 24 2005, 09:20 PM)
Well religion teaches that anything you enjoy is a sin.
But sin is a man made concept, in the end, it's down to you, and what you have lived believing.
But sin is a man made concept, in the end, it's down to you, and what you have lived believing.
true true I believe that I think it is up to you and how you believe your God. My relationship with God is like this if you can smoke a cigarette and pray to him and he listens how is that bad. it is not hinderance to my relationship with him
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BurnSide
101, do you remember that even Jesus drank Wine.
Human beings live stressful lives, but drinking moderately heps us relax.
I can't have it anymore due to prescription medications
Human beings live stressful lives, but drinking moderately heps us relax.
I can't have it anymore due to prescription medications
QUOTE(pisces1963 @ Mar 24 2005, 09:25 PM)
101, do you remember that even Jesus drank Wine.
Human beings live stressful lives, but drinking moderately heps us relax.
I can't have it anymore due to prescription medications
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Human beings live stressful lives, but drinking moderately heps us relax.
I can't have it anymore due to prescription medications
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Yeah I know Jesus turned the water into wine. but doesn't it suck that you can't drink because of silly prescriptions. I can't either.
Pass the milk 101
I don't think any of them are a sin either, I agree with what Burnside said, and I will add that if you are religious, you could slide into the 'gluttony' sin if you indulge too much (or is that only food....?)
Good question tho
Good question tho
It is only a sin if you a fundamentalist christian, muslim, etc... But too much of anything is bad for your body. Putting hot smoke in your lungs is bad. I had a friend whos father died of lung cancer. It is not an easy death. By the way it has been found that pot will give you a form of lung cancer.
Do everything in moderation and live a happy life.
Do everything in moderation and live a happy life.
QUOTE(QueenoftheNight @ Mar 24 2005, 04:15 PM)
I don't think there is such thing as sin... only rules and morals
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I agree, and the fact that humans are learning animals. We make mistakes and we learn.
i wouldn't say it's sin, but i wouldn't think it makes God happy that you're intentionally killing His gift to you. Even a little smoke kills your body... even if it just kills a little bit... I'll agree that a little wine is actually good for you though... just don't do it too much.
Well it is a sin isn't there somewhere in the bible which say don't destroy your temple (body), cigarettes, beer, or pot can cause damage to the body.
But anyway sin does not exist, only some old mans crazy strict morals.
But anyway sin does not exist, only some old mans crazy strict morals.
Is it morally wrong? No. But you are responsible for the consequences if you do these things in excess. In the case of illegal drugs, there can be legal consequences for doing them in any amount whatsoever.
The only "Sin" of man is one person harming another, either mentally or physically, Some things in excess can be good for you.
War is the biggest Sin of human kind, no amount of excess of war is good for anyone.
All the best
Faeden
War is the biggest Sin of human kind, no amount of excess of war is good for anyone.
All the best
Faeden
Faeden I do believe that war is the biggest sin also. I think killing innocent people is the worst thing humanly possible. Hopefully peace will be among us in the near future. I hope the best happens for this world. 101.
Sin from Latin Sine (without): to sin, "to be without judgment”, in other words, to be stupid!
Sin, I am all for it, Which UM hottie female wants to sin with me? 
All kidding aside, isn't it up to "God" (fill in you deity) to determine what is and is not a sin? As for referencing (put in religious text here), how do you know-save blind faith-thats what (fill in deity) said or wanted?
All kidding aside, isn't it up to "God" (fill in you deity) to determine what is and is not a sin? As for referencing (put in religious text here), how do you know-save blind faith-thats what (fill in deity) said or wanted?
Loge but aren't we going to be judged in the long run......at the end of time....or when we die. I believe it could even be a sin to shop in excess. Whatever masters a man that is what he is a slave to. So as long as something doesn't master us is it really sin? Even Jesus was tempted in the desert.
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QUOTE(101 @ Apr 28 2005, 01:30 PM)
Loge but aren't we going to be judged in the long run......at the end of time....or when we die. I believe it could even be a sin to shop in excess. Whatever masters a man that is what he is a slave to. So as long as something doesn't master us is it really sin? Even Jesus was tempted in the desert.
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Those without judgment are the ones who are judged by those with judgment!
There is not end of time only the end of a cycle within the spinning continuity of the wheel of death and rebirth.
Our present life is the verdict of a past judgment and our future life will be the outcome of our last judgment.
Stupidity masters the life of those without judgment, so, as long as we perform always something stupid our life will be always judged by those with judgment.
Jesus was tempted by his own misjudgment, but he conquered himself by performing a right judgment on himself!
Sin all you want, just dont hurt anyone
No, God created all that stuff... besides smoking, but it would be his fault in the first place...
No, bad stuff created by us because Satan tells us to! And Satan was created good, but then he turned evil! Mmmmmk?
QUOTE(MrScienceGuy @ Apr 28 2005, 07:36 PM)
Sin all you want, just dont hurt anyone
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Stupidity is always a knot of nonsense that we must untie in order to acquire right judment!
QUOTE(brittish_gurl @ Apr 28 2005, 07:40 PM)
No, God created all that stuff... besides smoking, but it would be his fault in the first place...
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God will judge his own faults within you!
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QUOTE(brittish_gurl @ Apr 28 2005, 07:40 PM)
No, God created all that stuff... besides smoking, but it would be his fault in the first place...
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God will judge his own faults within you!
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and since the god is within you, you are the ultimate judge of your own faults!
(of course not all are capable of really doing this - most fall victem to the old saying "he who teaches himself has a fool for a student")
QUOTE(MrScienceGuy @ Apr 28 2005, 08:04 PM)
No, bad stuff created by us because Satan tells us to! And Satan was created good, but then he turned evil! Mmmmmk?
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Any type of suffering is the outcome of stupidity, Satan develops within your misconception of good and evil; he masters your lack of judgment! Mmmmmk!
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QUOTE(Loge @ Apr 28 2005, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE(brittish_gurl @ Apr 28 2005, 07:40 PM)
No, God created all that stuff... besides smoking, but it would be his fault in the first place...
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God will judge his own faults within you!
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and since the god is within you, you are the ultimate judge of your own faults!
(of course not all are capable of really doing this - most fall victim to the old saying "he who teaches himself has a fool for a student")
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And if you are an Atheist, God is not within you, thus, you do not have a right judgment of your own folly!
(of course if you are not capable of really allowing God to judge you, you’re a victim of the old saying: he who cannot learn from his own TRUE SELF will be always a student of foolishness, Satan)
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QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 28 2005, 08:15 PM)
QUOTE(Loge @ Apr 28 2005, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE(brittish_gurl @ Apr 28 2005, 07:40 PM)
No, God created all that stuff... besides smoking, but it would be his fault in the first place...
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God will judge his own faults within you!
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and since the god is within you, you are the ultimate judge of your own faults!
(of course not all are capable of really doing this - most fall victim to the old saying "he who teaches himself has a fool for a student")
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And if you are an Atheist, God is not within you, thus, you do not have a right judgment of your own folly!
(of course if you are not capable of really allowing God to judge you, you’re a victim of the old saying: he who cannot learn from his own TRUE SELF will be always a student of foolishness, Satan)
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but you claim god is in everything - it is everything, thus this god you speak of is in me no matter what i believe to be true. Thus the god in me makes the folly, thus the god is capable of error. Even moreso, the god judges himself ultimately - and he is the ultimate judge of his own faults, just as you are of yours!
now with god in everything, god is in sin! god is the fault and the judge. Thus it does not matter what we do, since god will answer for it in the end.
Good to have the old boy kicking around so we don't have to take any responsibily for ourselves!
"i took a bite of god, just to try it out. I immediately spit it back out. It was rotten - clearly past its best-before date"
In the bible I am pretty sure it says that you are not supposed to harm your body..
People are just making excuses for the crappy habbits.
If you do not agree with that then lets move onto the next point.
When people smoke infront of non smokers. The smoker is damaging other peoples health. inflicting harm on gods creations
I can see most of you doing the thing I said in the other thread. You are bending the rules to fit your own 'needs' creating your own god that you would like
People are just making excuses for the crappy habbits.
If you do not agree with that then lets move onto the next point.
When people smoke infront of non smokers. The smoker is damaging other peoples health. inflicting harm on gods creations
I can see most of you doing the thing I said in the other thread. You are bending the rules to fit your own 'needs' creating your own god that you would like
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 28 2005, 09:10 PM)
[but you claim god is in everything - it is everything, thus this god you speak of is in me no matter what i believe to be true. Thus the god in me makes the folly, thus the god is capable of error. Even moreso, the god judges himself ultimately - and he is the ultimate judge of his own faults, just as you are of yours!
now with god in everything, god is in sin! god is the fault and the judge. Thus it does not matter what we do, since god will answer for it in the end.
Good to have the old boy kicking around so we don't have to take any responsibily for ourselves!
"i took a bite of god, just to try it out. I immediately spit it back out. It was rotten - clearly past its best-before date"
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now with god in everything, god is in sin! god is the fault and the judge. Thus it does not matter what we do, since god will answer for it in the end.
Good to have the old boy kicking around so we don't have to take any responsibily for ourselves!
"i took a bite of god, just to try it out. I immediately spit it back out. It was rotten - clearly past its best-before date"
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I do not claim that God is in everything – but that everything is within God!
Thus the god you speak of I do not know; but the one I speak of is not within you, even though you are within him, this I know no matter what you believe to be true. Thus the shadow of god in you is what makes you folly, and that shadow of god is capable of error. Even more so, the shadow of god misjudges you ultimately - and he is the ultimate judge of his own faults, just as you are of yours!
Now since God in every right judgment, God is not in sin (wrong judgment)! God (right judgment) is the one who sees the fault through his right judgment. Thus it matters what we do, since God (right judgment) will judge you in the end.
Good to have the old boy kicking around within ourselves, so we develop the ability to respond (responsibility) for ourselves with right judgment!
"You never took a bite of God (right judgment), just to see you own folly. This is why you spit back out your nonsense. Your judgment is already rotten - clearly past it is already obsolete"
QUOTE(Loge @ Apr 28 2005, 06:41 PM)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 28 2005, 09:10 PM)
[but you claim god is in everything - it is everything, thus this god you speak of is in me no matter what i believe to be true. Thus the god in me makes the folly, thus the god is capable of error. Even moreso, the god judges himself ultimately - and he is the ultimate judge of his own faults, just as you are of yours!
now with god in everything, god is in sin! god is the fault and the judge. Thus it does not matter what we do, since god will answer for it in the end.
Good to have the old boy kicking around so we don't have to take any responsibily for ourselves!
"i took a bite of god, just to try it out. I immediately spit it back out. It was rotten - clearly past its best-before date"
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now with god in everything, god is in sin! god is the fault and the judge. Thus it does not matter what we do, since god will answer for it in the end.
Good to have the old boy kicking around so we don't have to take any responsibily for ourselves!
"i took a bite of god, just to try it out. I immediately spit it back out. It was rotten - clearly past its best-before date"
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I do not claim that God is in everything – but that everything is within God!
Thus the god you speak of I do not know; but the one I speak of is not within you, even though you are within him, this I know no matter what you believe to be true. Thus the shadow of god in you is what makes you folly, and that shadow of god is capable of error. Even more so, the shadow of god misjudges you ultimately - and he is the ultimate judge of his own faults, just as you are of yours!
Now since God in every right judgment, God is not in sin (wrong judgment)! God (right judgment) is the one who sees the fault through his right judgment. Thus it matters what we do, since God (right judgment) will judge you in the end.
Good to have the old boy kicking around within ourselves, so we develop the ability to respond (responsibility) for ourselves with right judgment!
"You never took a bite of God (right judgment), just to see you own folly. This is why you spit back out your nonsense. Your judgment is already rotten - clearly past it is already obsolete"
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its fun to have you around this place Loge!
so explain this to me:
1 ) i (and all) are in god
2 ) i (and all) can sin (wrong judgement)
then sin must be in god, correct? so sin is a part of the god and again, he is then ultimately judging himself?
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 29 2005, 01:10 PM)
QUOTE(Loge @ Apr 28 2005, 05:34 PM)
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 28 2005, 08:15 PM)
QUOTE(Loge @ Apr 28 2005, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE(brittish_gurl @ Apr 28 2005, 07:40 PM)
No, God created all that stuff... besides smoking, but it would be his fault in the first place...
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God will judge his own faults within you!
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and since the god is within you, you are the ultimate judge of your own faults!
(of course not all are capable of really doing this - most fall victim to the old saying "he who teaches himself has a fool for a student")
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And if you are an Atheist, God is not within you, thus, you do not have a right judgment of your own folly!
(of course if you are not capable of really allowing God to judge you, you’re a victim of the old saying: he who cannot learn from his own TRUE SELF will be always a student of foolishness, Satan)
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but you claim god is in everything - it is everything, thus this god you speak of is in me no matter what i believe to be true. Thus the god in me makes the folly, thus the god is capable of error. Even moreso, the god judges himself ultimately - and he is the ultimate judge of his own faults, just as you are of yours!
now with god in everything, god is in sin! god is the fault and the judge. Thus it does not matter what we do, since god will answer for it in the end.
Good to have the old boy kicking around so we don't have to take any responsibily for ourselves!
"i took a bite of god, just to try it out. I immediately spit it back out. It was rotten - clearly past its best-before date"
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The God of the Bible says something different - "When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone: but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed." (James 1:13-14)
The argument that if GOd created sin, then he is responsible has been made before - the Bible is clear that this is not the case.
Regards,
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The God of the Bible says something different - "When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone: but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed." (James 1:13-14)
The argument that if GOd created sin, then he is responsible has been made before - the Bible is clear that this is not the case.
The argument that if GOd created sin, then he is responsible has been made before - the Bible is clear that this is not the case.
so if god didn't make sin, then why is he so concerned about it?
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 29 2005, 02:05 PM)
so if god didn't make sin, then why is he so concerned about it?
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Interesting words you choose. God made us with free will. The ability to choose our own path. God does not want mindless zombies, he wants willing followers of Him. When we choose to exercise that free will by disobeying GOd, well - that is Sin. He does not force us to make the choice to sin - it is our choice.
He is so concerned about sin because sin means going against what God wants. That should be self-explanatory.
Until next time,
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QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 29 2005, 02:05 PM)
so if god didn't make sin, then why is he so concerned about it?
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Interesting words you choose. God made us with free will. The ability to choose our own path. God does not want mindless zombies, he wants willing followers of Him. When we choose to exercise that free will by disobeying GOd, well - that is Sin. He does not force us to make the choice to sin - it is our choice.
He is so concerned about sin because sin means going against what God wants. That should be self-explanatory.
Until next time,
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You took the words right out of my mouth!!
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The God of the Bible says something different - "When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone: but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed." (James 1:13-14)
The argument that if GOd created sin, then he is responsible has been made before - the Bible is clear that this is not the case.
The argument that if GOd created sin, then he is responsible has been made before - the Bible is clear that this is not the case.
so if god didn't make sin, then why is he so concerned about it?
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It is something beyond his control (That is if there was a god).
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Interesting words you choose. God made us with free will. The ability to choose our own path. God does not want mindless zombies, he wants willing followers of Him. When we choose to exercise that free will by disobeying GOd, well - that is Sin. He does not force us to make the choice to sin - it is our choice.
He is so concerned about sin because sin means going against what God wants. That should be self-explanatory.
I am so glad that you explained this YOU did an excellant job I believe we all have a free will also. But We all have our own faults like Loge said within ourself. I believe we all battle our own wars and we must crucify our flesh everytime we are tempted to sin. I believe that we all should look within ourselves and determine whether or not we are sinning. Only we know if we have sinned and we must ask God to forgive us. We will feel the conviction of our sins and must live and learn by them.
God Bless 101
[quote=hyperactive,Apr 29 2005, 02:05 PM]so if god didn't make sin, then why is he so concerned about it?
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Interesting words you choose. God made us with free will. The ability to choose our own path. God does not want mindless zombies, he wants willing followers of Him. When we choose to exercise that free will by disobeying GOd, well - that is Sin. He does not force us to make the choice to sin - it is our choice.
He is so concerned about sin because sin means going against what God wants. That should be self-explanatory.
I am so glad that you explained this YOU did an excellant job
I believe we all have a free will also. But We all have our own faults like Loge said within ourself. I believe we all battle our own wars and we must crucify our flesh everytime we are tempted to sin. I believe that we all should look within ourselves and determine whether or not we are sinning. Only we know if we have sinned and we must ask God to forgive us. We will feel the conviction of our sins and must live and learn by them. God Bless 101
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 28 2005, 09:50 PM)
its fun to have you around this place Loge!
so explain this to me:
1 ) i (and all) are in god
2 ) i (and all) can sin (wrong judgement)
then sin must be in god, correct? so sin is a part of the god and again, he is then ultimately judging himself?
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so explain this to me:
1 ) i (and all) are in god
2 ) i (and all) can sin (wrong judgement)
then sin must be in god, correct? so sin is a part of the god and again, he is then ultimately judging himself?
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God wants the happiness (right judgment) for all of its parts, yet God does not want slaves, this is why we have free will.
But, for instance, why should it be God’s fault that you burnt your skin because you wanted to have a suntan and spent too much time at the beach? Why should it be God’s fault that you went and drank too much beer, and then while inebriated with alcohol you fell into a ditch and broke your leg? Why should it be God’s fault that you take an excessively long bath and then get influenza?
It is obvious that the violation of any law brings upon pain and it is not God’s fault that some of its parts willfully choose stupidity and violate God’s own laws. Every cause produces an effect and stupidity will always create pain.
God is not creating our destiny; we are creating our own fate with our own free will.
You and all are in God, but God is not within those with wrong judgment because God is right judgment!
“Demonius Est Deus Inversus”: The Demon is God, but inverted.
The Inferno is the womb of Heaven.
The other face of God is in Hell.
Hell is the shadow of light.
Hell teaches those with wrong judgment how to develop right judgment!
Certainly, we are not talking about eternal condemnation or endless punishments.
Unquestionably, eternal condemnation in itself does not exist and every punishment regardless of how serious it might be has to have a limit beyond which happiness (right judgment) reigns.
Therefore, the dogma of an absolutely eternal condemnation is obviously stupid.
Our way of comprehending the expiation of wrong judgment is obvious. We could never conceive of an expiatory debt, as grave as it might be, that would not come to an end at some point.
It is clear that right judgment would never fail. Every fault, as serious as it might be, has its exact mathematical expiatory equivalent in hell; it is not possible to pay for more than is owed, and during the process we learn right judgment.
The particles of pain from the Absolute are in Hell; they abide within the stupidities of mankind!
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QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 28 2005, 09:50 PM)
its fun to have you around this place Loge!
so explain this to me:
1 ) i (and all) are in god
2 ) i (and all) can sin (wrong judgement)
then sin must be in god, correct? so sin is a part of the god and again, he is then ultimately judging himself?
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so explain this to me:
1 ) i (and all) are in god
2 ) i (and all) can sin (wrong judgement)
then sin must be in god, correct? so sin is a part of the god and again, he is then ultimately judging himself?
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God wants the happiness (right judgment) for all of its parts, yet God does not want slaves, this is why we have free will.
But, for instance, why should it be God’s fault that you burnt your skin because you wanted to have a suntan and spent too much time at the beach? Why should it be God’s fault that you went and drank too much beer, and then while inebriated with alcohol you fell into a ditch and broke your leg? Why should it be God’s fault that you take an excessively long bath and then get influenza?
It is obvious that the violation of any law brings upon pain and it is not God’s fault that some of its parts willfully choose stupidity and violate God’s own laws. Every cause produces an effect and stupidity will always create pain.
God is not creating our destiny; we are creating our own fate with our own free will.
You and all are in God, but God is not within those with wrong judgment because God is right judgment!
“Demonius Est Deus Inversus”: The Demon is God, but inverted.
The Inferno is the womb of Heaven.
The other face of God is in Hell.
Hell is the shadow of light.
Hell teaches those with wrong judgment how to develop right judgment!
Certainly, we are not talking about eternal condemnation or endless punishments.
Unquestionably, eternal condemnation in itself does not exist and every punishment regardless of how serious it might be has to have a limit beyond which happiness (right judgment) reigns.
Therefore, the dogma of an absolutely eternal condemnation is obviously stupid.
Our way of comprehending the expiation of wrong judgment is obvious. We could never conceive of an expiatory debt, as grave as it might be, that would not come to an end at some point.
It is clear that right judgment would never fail. Every fault, as serious as it might be, has its exact mathematical expiatory equivalent in hell; it is not possible to pay for more than is owed, and during the process we learn right judgment.
The particles of pain from the Absolute are in Hell; they abide within the stupidities of mankind!
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when i read this i see "god"=reaon,logic,responsibility. to me it seems you are merely labelling the "good qualitys" of man as the god qualities...
QUOTE(hyperactive @ Apr 29 2005, 10:44 AM)
when i read this i see "god"=reaon,logic,responsibility. to me it seems you are merely labelling the "good qualitys" of man as the god qualities...
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God (right judgment) has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds (right) judgment:
"How long will you judge unjustly (wrong judgment) and show partiality to the wicked?
Give justice (right judgment) to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.
Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked."
They have neither knowledge nor understanding (or right judgment), they walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
I say, "You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
nevertheless, (with wrong judgment) you shall die like men, and fall like any prince."
Arise (from you wrong judgment), O God, judge the earth (with right judgment); for to thee belong all the nations!
Selah!
Loge did you just say "quote " we are all gods. Because I don't think man are gods. There is only one God in my belief and we do get judged by him once we die or Jesus comes. We are then judged therefore accepted into the gates of Heaven or sent to the fiery pits of hell for all eternity. We are all going to be judged therefore we must get our lives right so we can live happily ever after. 101
QUOTE(101 @ Apr 29 2005, 11:18 AM)
Loge did you just say "quote " we are all gods. Because I don't think man are gods. There is only one God in my belief and we do get judged by him once we die or Jesus comes. We are then judged therefore accepted into the gates of Heaven or sent to the fiery pits of hell for all eternity. We are all going to be judged therefore we must get our lives right so we can live happily ever after. 101
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Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemes; because I said, I am the Son of God?
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God!
The horse engenders horses, the bull engenders bulls, birds engender birds; thus, God can only engender Gods!
Hopes that she will make an awesome god, one day
How long does it take ?
How long does it take ?
Loge here is some research I got......I didn't know that this was used in the Bible until you told me.
Christ himself spoke of humans when he quoted Psalms 82:6 and said, in John 10:34, "Ye are gods." As every serious Christian scholar knows, He was not saying that humans are God, but is often interpreted as saying that human representatives of God can be called "gods" in a very limited sense. Humans are not and will not be gods in the sense of Greek philosophy (absolute, ultimate, uncreated, independent beings). No, the terms "gods" when used in the Bible and LDS writings may be meant in a more limited sense not radically different in meaning than "angels" (though a difference in LDS sources is that "angels" are single while "gods" dwell in eternal family relationships, as discussed below). If we used the term "angels," the anti-LDS attacks would lose much of their zing. After all, how many people would be interested in seeing a movie called "The Angel Makers"? But the term "gods" is what God Himself has chosen to describe the divine potential of His sons and daughters
So in fact we can be called gods but we are representing God himself. So thus we are in fact can be called gods.
Christ himself spoke of humans when he quoted Psalms 82:6 and said, in John 10:34, "Ye are gods." As every serious Christian scholar knows, He was not saying that humans are God, but is often interpreted as saying that human representatives of God can be called "gods" in a very limited sense. Humans are not and will not be gods in the sense of Greek philosophy (absolute, ultimate, uncreated, independent beings). No, the terms "gods" when used in the Bible and LDS writings may be meant in a more limited sense not radically different in meaning than "angels" (though a difference in LDS sources is that "angels" are single while "gods" dwell in eternal family relationships, as discussed below). If we used the term "angels," the anti-LDS attacks would lose much of their zing. After all, how many people would be interested in seeing a movie called "The Angel Makers"? But the term "gods" is what God Himself has chosen to describe the divine potential of His sons and daughters
So in fact we can be called gods but we are representing God himself. So thus we are in fact can be called gods.
QUOTE(101 @ Apr 29 2005, 12:24 PM)
Loge here is some research I got......I didn't know that this was used in the Bible until you told me.
Christ himself spoke of humans when he quoted Psalms 82:6 and said, in John 10:34, "Ye are gods." As every serious Christian scholar knows, He was not saying that humans are God, but is often interpreted as saying that human representatives of God can be called "gods" in a very limited sense. Humans are not and will not be gods in the sense of Greek philosophy (absolute, ultimate, uncreated, independent beings). No, the terms "gods" when used in the Bible and LDS writings may be meant in a more limited sense not radically different in meaning than "angels" (though a difference in LDS sources is that "angels" are single while "gods" dwell in eternal family relationships, as discussed below). If we used the term "angels," the anti-LDS attacks would lose much of their zing. After all, how many people would be interested in seeing a movie called "The Angel Makers"? But the term "gods" is what God Himself has chosen to describe the divine potential of His sons and daughters
So in fact we can be called gods but we are representing God himself. So thus we are in fact can be called gods.
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Christ himself spoke of humans when he quoted Psalms 82:6 and said, in John 10:34, "Ye are gods." As every serious Christian scholar knows, He was not saying that humans are God, but is often interpreted as saying that human representatives of God can be called "gods" in a very limited sense. Humans are not and will not be gods in the sense of Greek philosophy (absolute, ultimate, uncreated, independent beings). No, the terms "gods" when used in the Bible and LDS writings may be meant in a more limited sense not radically different in meaning than "angels" (though a difference in LDS sources is that "angels" are single while "gods" dwell in eternal family relationships, as discussed below). If we used the term "angels," the anti-LDS attacks would lose much of their zing. After all, how many people would be interested in seeing a movie called "The Angel Makers"? But the term "gods" is what God Himself has chosen to describe the divine potential of His sons and daughters
So in fact we can be called gods but we are representing God himself. So thus we are in fact can be called gods.
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"Nevertheless, (with wrong judgment) you shall die like men, and fall like any prince."
Thus, only those with right judgment shoudl be called Gods: Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha, etc.
Yes I believe that is true also. We all need to have right judgement or we will yes die and fall like any prince. I believe that only few and far between have right judgement and we must all work at it to be considered holy. we should all be like Christ and live like he did. That will make us have right judgement.
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QUOTE(101 Posted Today @ 02:22 PM )
....we must all work at it to be considered holy. we should all be like Christ and live like he did. That will make us have right judgement.
But not all are of the same faith as you.
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